Agenda

1. 11:00 - 11:20 : Discuss Babya's past, present, and future.
2. 11:20 - 11:40 : We will now share our ideas and suggestions for Neptune.
3. 11:40 - 11:50 : Now, Rsnous will show the Mac to Babya comparision.
4. 11:50 - 12:00 : We finish up the meeting with a simple discussion focusing on what the ultimate version of Babya will be.

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osnr: Hello everyone!
aafuss: and i''ll do the same-lets yise our nicknames(rsniya-aaafuss-to protect oprivacy)
aafuss: Hello Omar
osnr: Hello Anthony!
aafuss: aby ther fotums-like the ones suggested?
aafuss: I'm good
aafuss: Well, I have a new ,muse for chriostmas
osnr: i will add the forums soon.
aafuss: Lets tsytar with current events over the last 6 days opr so
osnr: ok
aafuss: First on sunay-alpha 2 was released, folowed by opatches
aafuss: Then on Thuesday,. I found a os project-and joined
aafuss: On Thursday-a mirror site went up
osnr: And a complete rewrite of the control panel in Neptune was done by me on Wednesday
aafuss: That's good
aafuss: news- 5minures left
aafuss: then move ontopn the first topuc
osnr: Now, let's go back a few more days.
aafuss: Finally on Friday O lcensed gabya cardfle for the os project
aafuss: ok
osnr: Or maybe even further!
aafuss: We learnt that on Ja=n 17, alpha 3vcomes out
aafuss: even firther
aafuss: Splash was nearly fdone withg Baby a system infoirmation
aafuss: comparision-can be aDDto a arydiles page
osnr: Remember when Neptune was first created in Babya System 12.0a1, and Babya System Profiler was at version 5?
aafuss: Yes,m I do 
aafuss: that was a month ago
aafuss: October
osnr: That was the time Neptune grew very quickly
aafuss: How long untril the first opiv?
osnr: opiv?
aafuss: When I stopred v b13 to fovus on this-evenm better than v 11.1/13 i was douinf\
aafuss: topic
osnr: the topic is part Babya's past, so continue
aafuss: ok
aafuss: Version 7.1-4/01
aafuss: Vrersion 8 9/01
aafuss: VBersion 9 1/02
osnr: or even Babya's Program
aafuss: to 3/02
aafuss: v 10 04/02-06/02
aafuss: version 11 07/2-010/02
osnr: and you can't say Neptune, because i made that
aafuss: Babya p[rohrams 2000-2001
aafuss: version 11.1-lsate oct 02
aafuss: Babya's datya baSE browser 2001
aafuss: Babtatext 2001
osnr: Codename Neptune 12 2002
aafuss: how long until we move on?
osnr: about 12 min.
aafuss: Versiob 13- maybe late 2003?
osnr: no, i would say middle 2004
osnr: late 2003 is Neptune's release
aafuss: Agreded
aafuss: ok
aafuss: How should we sprnd on this topic?
osnr: what about future?
aafuss: ok
aafuss: you start off
aafuss: v 14-2005?
osnr: v 15 - 2006?
aafuss: OK
aafuss: v 14-2007-mi would have job by then-could sell nepotunr ckmmercially by then
osnr: and i would be 7th year student
aafuss: ok
aafuss: Now lets move onto my first topioc
osnr: ok
aafuss: babtya system 13
osnr: oh, and can you send me the updated agenda?
aafuss: no, we don't need to 
aafuss: ok
aafuss: Babya System 13-due 2004 

*New interface-smart tasks' enabled 
*Incluides new neptune style control panel 
And more-not known yet
aafuss: YThat';s my first irtem-all there is for this-now back to your next topiv!
osnr: Well, you can't begin coding until I release Neptune.
osnr: Share your ideas and suggestions for Babya in general with us.
osnr: Any ideas, aafuss?
aafuss: hi
aafuss: to uyour next opiv?
osnr: Well, any ideas?
aafuss: We'll ue this from noee on
aafuss: A html/php editor
osnr: Yes, but that would be rather hard
aafuss: mjultoiiplr bdeesktop m,ain window-usef the new windoew menu item
osnr: ?
osnr: can you respell
aafuss: we could ask fgor people top helpus at the forums-a request dor saervices forum
aafuss: multiplr main bdesktop windows
aafuss: try http:\\planetsourcecode.com
osnr: that would give users the impression that we are begging them - not a good thing to impress
osnr: for the service forum
aafuss: no
aafuss: a requrwst for code forunm
aafuss: and a email client
aafuss: and maybe add the details vuiew
aafuss: And a simpe calendar app
osnr: we can request for code in a code forum, how can you guarantee that everyone will know VB?
aafuss: ut acab be any language-wxamle s;lah5-writes in delphi-0.exe files
aafuss: Ixcan also do html
aafuss: amnd quickbasiv
osnr: but HOW do you put C++, Java, Delphi in a VB program?
aafuss: and vbfor dos
aafuss: a nabya programmibg language?
osnr: but we would need suggestions to code the programming language itself
aafuss: add new abya progtams
osnr: you can't code QBasic in Qbasic
aafuss: that 's what a suggesatims forumis allabiut-mtovr any suggestions threwads into a SUGGESTIINS FORUM
aafuss: IN V
aafuss: OR VBDOD
osnr: is your caps lock on?
aafuss: vbdos
aafuss: andhows the dos port goinbg?
osnr: pretty well
osnr: but you made a lot of forma
osnr: forms*
osnr: so it will take a long time
aafuss: any dev shots?
aafuss: ok what's been done so faer
osnr: nope
aafuss: v 11.1 is in reeview at tucowzs-h=i hp its getts ba better scxorwe
aafuss: when vsn i try it?
osnr: alpha 3 looks good right now, but it is pretty buggy
osnr: jan. 17/16
aafuss: of ehat?
osnr: Neptune
aafuss: can i trewsst it to study the bugs-I may be able to sort tjem out
osnr: hunfortunately api bugs completely freeze the computer
aafuss: it mauy not do it on mine
aafuss: tryied running aunder ompstibility kjde-win98 option??
osnr: mine is twenty time stabler than yours, remember - 95-nt
osnr: cno, its under vb
osnr: and vb is under compatibility
aafuss: csn i sort out any bugs?
aafuss: or tellwhich ones yo fix?
osnr: yes, but i need to caution you against the known api bugs
aafuss: ok
aafuss: I can skip those-fthriug the debugger-if it has can watch ioptin
osnr: passing a Null to an expected parameter, such as the message in SendMessage()
aafuss: jopw can i do that/?
osnr: oh and subclassing disables the debugger
aafuss: that's altight-i'll see if any bugs can be fixed-what in it akresdy?
osnr: a fewthings...
osnr: but under subclassing you cant use VB's end button or the End command
osnr: so some of your old code's quit functions brakes down
aafuss: ok
aafuss: i ca cope
aafuss: what's nw in a3?
aafuss: cab yiu send it to m-with a warning?
osnr: cono - its barely functional
aafuss: thenwe move nmto topic 3:Now, osnr will show the Mac to Babya comparision.
aafuss: doesn't matter-to study what's needed to be fixdd buy us
osnr: do you have a topic?
osnr: 10 more min.
aafuss: no
aafuss: my tooic is riught tooic 4
aafuss: l;ets goto 4/ or 3:30
osnr: why don't we just wait - i can check your posts on the neptune forum
aafuss: ok
aafuss: and reply
osnr: ------
aafuss: bw miove ionto:Now, osnr will show the Mac to Babya comparision.
osnr: now waiting
osnr: 8 min
aafuss: wating for what?
aafuss: finished
osnr: .... my next topic ....
aafuss: Babya system 13's new all inkone frame clontrol app lwauncher-means kless space requred and rfe to add more text niotes
aafuss: ok
aafuss: now
osnr: no
osnr: its been only a few seconds
aafuss: 7mins-8mins?-
osnr: 6 min
aafuss: will it be in a wird .doc?
osnr: no, it will be live
aafuss: ok
osnr: 5 min
aafuss: oibloshe the acomparisim-at the neptune site
osnr: ok
aafuss: it's good idea fkot a ptogrsmming labguage-when will it be boutz??
aafuss: when wilthe other syggsted forums be added?
osnr: someone must volunteer
aafuss: still tkme to dol that?
aafuss: ok
aafuss: pst somethinbb asjking for it
osnr: ok
aafuss: next topic-how long to it?
osnr: 2 min
aafuss: ok-post requst
osnr: ok
aafuss: done??-move on
osnr: yes
osnr: now, first ill need aafuss's mac screenshot
aafuss: wait
aafuss: i;ll find one- here;s one of syts 6.0
osnr: ok
aafuss: it'a like mac os 8-more sys 7 lime
osnr: ok
osnr: is it ready?
aafuss: the control panel loike alphas's 3 one
osnr: ok
osnr: ready?
aafuss: done
osnr: where is it?
aafuss: sent
aafuss: sent
aafuss: sent to via im
osnr: ok
aafuss: let's befin topic 3
osnr: making a babya screenshot
aafuss: ok
aafuss: add those top the site latef on
aafuss: doneb yet?
osnr: no
aafuss: how long?
aafuss: make ne show some new featires
osnr: ok
aafuss: then befin thd comparison
osnr: ok
osnr: a PNG is a type of picture file
osnr: go and download
aafuss: yes
aafuss: klet's begin!
osnr: have you got the pics side-by-side?
aafuss: no
aafuss: mske one sure simr of the new features to-comp;are to a olderv ss
osnr: oops.. new ss
aafuss: yes
aafuss: now side by side
osnr: ok
osnr: now look at both
aafuss: new ss?
osnr: no
aafuss: one showing new features?
osnr: just take a look
aafuss: ok
aafuss: now
osnr: use VB to make your own screenshot if desired
aafuss: the one u sent-ik want osee sme lof kys frwatures that's nww?
aafuss: n
osnr: there are a few serious flaws in design
aafuss: uyou start comparing, i comparee after that 
aafuss: of whioch kone?
osnr: for one thing, we cant have buttons on the title bar of Neptune
osnr: Neptune
aafuss: right
aafuss: and themsc os
osnr: and we need an apple icon
osnr: an icon of an apple!
aafuss: app clors are noty coadhesive
osnr: the fruit
aafuss: mske your icon 9nlt toocloose-0oy'ds copyrighhted)
osnr: just a general apple fruit
aafuss: a picture of a apple is ok-ut diferent
aafuss: ok
osnr: actually, we aren't supposed to have a title bar altogether
aafuss: ion a b&w, the controks donl;t always to tellyou something-no tooltipscan gooltoips be added tro neptune)
aafuss: ok
aafuss: what are suppoded to have?
osnr: a menu bar with an icon
osnr: of an apple (fruit)
aafuss: a scrappbok app for neptunr?
aafuss: ok
aafuss: ecam;ple?
osnr: look at the real mac screenchot
aafuss: and shufdown should be in a 'dpecisl' memu
aafuss: ok
osnr: does it say Apple Mac?
aafuss: yes-the apple icon
osnr: and we can use an unmovable form for a clock on the desktop
aafuss: and usually the application has a .resourcde filkw
aafuss: ok
aafuss: exampolr?
aafuss: and renve the stabusb sr-mor room
aafuss: and a calculatof
osnr: i was going to say that!
osnr: 
aafuss: scarpbook?
osnr: ok
aafuss: is that easy to do?
osnr: sure, all we need is a simple bitmap editor and pictureboxes
aafuss: maube the clors optiobn-in the conrrol panrl
aafuss: can you do one quickly?
aafuss: and finf any code
aafuss: call it Babya SmartXClip[
osnr: i need a simle bitmap editor control, maybe someone can do a C++/Delphi
aafuss: add a mwap program and mauybe a remionder/calendar oprogram
osnr: ----------------------
osnr: topic-s ovwe
osnr: over
aafuss: that be good-ask fot people to do at the forums
aafuss: Now ,ets move on to
osnr: now, what's your final topic
aafuss: the next topic
osnr: can we extend the meeting?
aafuss: Announce Babya Smartxclip
osnr: ok
aafuss: yes
osnr: now whats the topic
aafuss: Iwill aniunbd tyhw neww app tat the next meeting
osnr: great!
aafuss: a simple discussion focusing on what the ultimate version of Babya will be. make next meeting same date/date-jn decembre-i'l bw in holidays then
aafuss: anniunce a feature list for a.pha 3
osnr: now, what do you think the ultimate babya will have?
aafuss: a mpo3 player.paint,multiple user. multi-kanguage.
aafuss: What uis likelto be =neww in alpha 3?
osnr: colors, control panel, 
aafuss: extend until 3:15-sand ytgeb add the other forums-potr the tansxfriprt-NNUNVCe tenext merttingf'sa sdetasils
aafuss: ok
osnr: calculator
aafuss: easy?
aafuss: extend until 3:15pn
aafuss: scrapbook (VERY early)
aafuss: And what'sv new un alpha at hthis stge?
aafuss: when?
aafuss: separate?
osnr: no
osnr: included and separate
aafuss: ok
aafuss: when?
osnr: alpha3 - early | alpha 4 - scrapbook will be growing
osnr: beta 1 - mature
osnr: beta 2 - complete
osnr: rc1 - done
aafuss: ok-when is beta 1?
osnr: june
aafuss: can we amsake alpha 3tyhe lST FOTR BEta 1
osnr: no, april
osnr: my birthday!
aafuss: ok'but that's than 2 months-rember nov-a2-a3 jsn>
aafuss: ok
osnr: but in 2 months its alpha 3
aafuss: ok
osnr: thhen alpha 4, then beta 1
aafuss: what will bge new that?
aafuss: ok
osnr: i can't know the future
aafuss: ok-finish uyo now?
aafuss: i;m done
osnr: ?
aafuss: let's finish up
osnr: ok
aafuss: Thanks for the meeting,Omar-it was very enjoyable-whren uis the next one?
osnr: Dec. 23 on my vacation 
aafuss: add tw new forums, opost ANYthing items rom the mertin
aafuss: ok
osnr: ok
aafuss: TYHAT suitd-on holidays by ten
osnr: well, bye!
aafuss: see you soon
aafuss: TRhsankyou
osnr: remember im one day behind!
osnr: bye!
aafuss: and this is aafuss,sugning ioyr
aafuss: ok
osnr: good bye!
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