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wanshi
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
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heya..
can i check if any of you
have tried using this yellow powder
with other forms of medication? eg. interpet's
internal bacteria treatment?
wanna check if
there's any certain kind of adverse chemical
reaction. |
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Myron
Tay
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 :
1:38:17 PM 
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quote:
Originally posted by
grantsearl
Could it be sodium
thiosulfate? This acts as an antiseptic ...
don't ask but I remember in my uni days we used
to use it to sterilize the home brew kit (home
brewed beer).
Grant
Think the yellow
powder is a little too weak to be
sodium thiosulfate... |
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Nicholas
Lock
Novice
Singapore
43 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2004 :
10:13:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gtkang
The
front package is just brand and manifacturername
the japanese txt 1 row is 1gm
contain natorium 100mg. 2 row avoid direct
sunlight. 3 row refer to instruction for usage
which is included in the
package.
[quote]Originally posted by
Daniel Chia
Here's another picture
with the front and back of the packaging.
the packet i have has
more detailed wordings on the back. from what i
can make out of the chinese-looking words, i think
it's dosage instructions.
will post a pic
of it, once i find my bro's
digi-cam. |
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 :
10:01:10 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicholas
Lock
the packet i have has more
detailed wordings on the back. from what i can
make out of the chinese-looking words, i think
it's dosage instructions.
will post a pic
of it, once i find my bro's digi-cam.
This is great news,
Nicholas.
Please do show us your packet of
Yellow Powder with Chinese text.
Regards. |
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Nicholas
Lock
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Singapore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 :
1:24:55 PM
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sorry for
the delay... but here are the pics of the yellow
powder packet i have (sorry about
the crumpled look though).
hope someone can
make sense of it... 
Attachment:
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Daniel
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 :
2:47:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicholas
Lock
sorry for the delay... but here
are the pics of the yellow powder
packet i have (sorry about the crumpled look
though).
hope someone can make sense of
it...
Attachment:
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Thanks for the effort,
Nicholas.
It does have more words, but I
think it's still in Japanese. Some Japanese
text do look Chinese. |
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Edited by - Daniel Chia on 10 Apr 2004
2:49:10 PM |
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Nicholas
Lock
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Singapore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 :
3:44:36 PM
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yes,
daniel... agree it's in japanese. had meant to say in my
earlier post that, from what i could pick up from
some of the chinese-looking characters, i could
only guess that it is about dosage
instructions.
now... it's up to some kind
soul to decipher & tell us, what it actually
means.   |
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 :
4:08:58 PM
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Thanks
for clarifying, Nicholas.
I guess we'll all
just have to wait. Cheers.
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SteveHewlett
Novice
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 :
05:53:24 AM
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ナトリウム
(natoriumu) is Japanese katakana for sodium.
ニフルスチレン (nifurusuchiren) is Japanse katakana for
nifuru styrene acid. There are lots of different
sodiums and I have no idea what nifuru styrene
acid is. The package does not give details as to
what the ingredients are beyond the above. Someone
who has the manufacturer's email address should
try emailing them and asking them what the active
ingredients are. Also, the package says it is for
goldfish but apparently is working well with bettas
based on what some people here are
saying.
Hopefully the Japanese
characters above will appear correctly on your
machines. I have Japanese font sets on my machine
so they seem okay to me. |
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SteveHewlett
Novice
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 :
06:16:05 AM
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A couple
of more things:
The directions say to use
1-2 grams per 100 liters of water and then to
remove the fish after 24 hours from the tank. I
think they are referring to a separate hospital
tank.
I don't think the katakana characters
I used in my previous message message are going to
appear correctly for anyone, they are now
gibberish on my screen. The forum server is
probably not capable of handling them. Also, the
Chinese characters that someone referred to in a
previous message are known in Japanese
as kanji characters. They originally came from
China (200-300 A.D.?) and today most have two
meanings, one derived from the original Chinese
meaning (on or on-yomi) and the other a Japanese
meaning (kun or kun-yomi). |
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SteveHewlett
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USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 :
06:23:57 AM
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The
katakana I used a couple of messages ago will
appear correctly in Internet Explorer if you
select View, Encoding, Unicode (UTF-8) if you have
Unicode Japanese fonts.
Anyways,
here in Framingham, Massachusetts, USA I have
never seen this medicine. If someone wants to post
the manufacturer's email address we can email them
and ask about active
ingredients. |
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David
Esguerra
Enthusiast
Philippines
321 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2004 :
06:42:42 AM
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Doubt it,
yellow powder is imported from Japan and
unless the shops there even know of it, I doubt
that you could get in the US.
Its not
actually designed for goldfish, neither is it
exclusive. The product was first designed for koi,
make that koi in large ponds and the original
usage was at least one whole packet for one koi
pond. Later, goldfish were added into the
mix.
It seems to be a good anti bacterial
as well as a good healing promoter. I'll do my
research on the styrene acid, thanks for doing the
katakana for me, was having a relatively pain
staking task of it, translating each character and
looking it up in the Japanese
Dictionary (too bad I can't speak it like a second
language the way I could
English). |
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Myron
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 :
09:36:51 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by
SteveHewlett
A couple of more
things:
The directions say to use 1-2
grams per 100 liters of water and then to remove
the fish after 24 hours from the tank. I think
they are referring to a separate hospital
tank.
Thanks, Steve.
Never
knew about the remove the fish after 24 hours
part. Pays to know how to read the
instructions... |
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kennho
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Singapore
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :
4:40:29 PM 
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wow !
long time din come back here liao. Really advanced
quite a lot. Add a bit more lah
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m-nitrostyrene sodium salt is
yellow in color. Fungicide. Approved chemical in
Japan. Other countries unknown.
Light
sensitive chemical. Effective 24
hours.
Cheerio ..
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Myron
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :
4:51:18 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by kennho
wow !
long time din come back here liao. Really
advanced quite a lot. Add a bit more lah
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m-nitrostyrene sodium salt is
yellow in color. Fungicide. Approved chemical in
Japan. Other countries unknown.
Light
sensitive chemical. Effective 24
hours.
Cheerio ..
Kenn
Assuming that this
is the mysterious powder in question, does it mean
that we should place the tank in a lighted place
when using yellow powder? |
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kennho
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :
4:54:12 PM
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nope. The
chemical is photo sensitive. Once expose to UV or
high lited area, effectiveness is going down fast.
Best to keep in cool and darker
place.
Dosage is meant for koi and goldfish
which has larger body and external organ
features.
That's why many will actually get
good result with a much lesser dosage for betta or
other tropical fishes.
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Myron
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :
5:01:14 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by kennho
nope.
The chemical is photo sensitive. Once expose to
UV or high lited area, effectiveness is going
down fast. Best to keep in cool and darker
place.
Dosage is meant for koi and
goldfish which has larger body and external
organ features.
That's why many will
actually get good result with a much lesser
dosage for betta or other tropical
fishes.
Kenn
Now you tell me! I
guess my dosage in the past has been for an
arrowana rather than a betta.
Much appreciated! |
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 :
5:43:29 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by
kennho
m-nitrostyrene sodium salt is
yellow in color. Fungicide. Approved chemical in
Japan. Other countries unknown.
Light
sensitive chemical. Effective 24 hours.
Hi Kenn,
The name, the
colour, the characteristics (i.e.
photosensitivity) and the duration of action (i.e.
24 hours) do correspond very well with the
information contributed so far.
Do provide
us with more information about m-nitrostyrene
sodium salt if you can. I'm sure everyone here
will appreciate that.
Thank you!
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kennho
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :
09:20:51 AM
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Daniel,
much of the information are kept under the table
where not really available to the public. I only
doing a lot of digging to gather most of what I
know.
I guess the important thing about
using such kind of medication is by trial &
error. Like Kelvin Tan doing, just humtum bolah
and one find day, sure to find out the best dosage
and effective range. Most of the time, it is just
common sense.
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Daniel
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Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :
5:06:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by
kennho
Daniel, much of the
information are kept under the table where not
really available to the public. I only doing a
lot of digging to gather most of what I know.
You are right, Kenn. The
information is not readily available.
Could not find m-nitrostyrene
sodium in the pharmacology dictionary.
Searched the web and found the following URL which
only provides information on how it is
prepared.
http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/prep.asp?prep=cv4p0731
Anyway,
thanks for helping us solve the mystery. Perhaps
more information about it will be available in the
future. |
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Edited by - Daniel Chia on 21 Apr 2004
5:09:39 PM |
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Silas
Khor
Novice
Malaysia
88 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 :
10:52:31 PM
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knows if there are any adverse effects to mixing
yellow powder with PP treated water(very
diluted)? |
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Daniel
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Posted - 24 Apr 2004 :
4:41:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Silas
Khor
Anyone knows if there are any
adverse effects to mixing yellow powder
with PP treated water(very diluted)?
Hi Silas,
I don't think
anyone has tried this. So, I guess it's better not
to mix the medication. |
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Edited by - Daniel Chia on 25 Apr 2004
08:56:16 AM |
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jocelyn
Novice
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 :
11:39:42 PM
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wanna confirm with u guys, if my fish is sick, add
in 1 pr 2 grams of yellow powder
depending on the gallon of my tank, and leave my
fish in a dark place. Have to take out my fish
before 24 hrs? Will my fish recover
den? |
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Alex
Lim
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Posted - 01 May 2004 :
02:07:26 AM
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Hi
Jocelyn,
yellow powder
is more used for external problems/sicknesses. if
it's internal, YP is useless. i'm not sure about
1-2 grams, but just apply till the water turns
slight yellow and it's good enough. be sure to mix
thoroughly as YP does not dissolved easily like
salt. no need to follow the 24-hr routine, this
varies. once your fella has recovered, a complete
water change will do. YP is not a cure-all,
recovery varies and is subject to different
conditions and situations.
we can only
help, diagnose and recommend solutions based on
the level of specification you have indicated.
your description is too vague for us to do any
good. do describe the problem in further detail so
that we can help further. |
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Abbey
Wilkins
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Australia
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Posted - 07 May 2004 :
3:32:02 PM  
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I'll look
in my chemical manual when i get to my parents'
place and see what it says about m-nitrostyrene
sodium. It should be in there, very thick book,
very thin pages.
Whould be good if we knew
even some of the chemicals... I can get my hands
on a lot of basic stuff (not antibiotics i'm
afraid) so might be able to concoct something
similar. |
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 :
12:24:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Foo Hong
I
find it to be the best and most effective all
round remedy. I used it in such instances and
would liek to share with everyone.
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after breeding. especially on females. A day or
2 in yellow solution assist the female from
wound healing. never lost any females after
breeding in this way.
- clamped fins.
sometimes, my busy schedule means a few fishes
are not water-changed up to 10 days. while not
ill, fishes may exhibit 'glued fins' and cannot
fully open finnage when flaring. A few days in
yellow solution is the answer.
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transporting fishes. The yellow powder
thing is more a bacteriacide, I ve noticed it
helps when fishes are transported to and fro,
even for long hours. Perhaps the elimination of
bacteria helps the fish during movement by
having one less negative factor.
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disinfecting live worms. Yes the good old
tubifex problem especially. but do not soak
longer than 15 mins - worms die in
it.
There are more than 1 brand of yellow
powder. Just to be clear what
we are using, there are several yellow stuff on
teh market.
- Some come in pellet form
sealed in foil. These are made in Japan and have
a koi on the pack.
- can also come in
capsules, yellow and orange bicolour. These are
infact tetracyline.
- There is also
'be-furan' powder.
- There are several
over types I think[maybe wrong] that makes the
water more green than yellow. I use a yellow
powder.
Most
importantly, other than the tetracycline and
be-furan, no one is able to explain to me so far
what the last one is....and where it can be
bought in bulk.
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Posted - 18 Jun 2004 :
12:26:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Foo Hong
With
velvet, yellow powder will not work. It is gud
as an additional or after treatment. I noted it
kills bacteria very effective. parasites[velvet]
are not bacteria.
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kevin
piper
Novice
United Kingdom
15 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2005 :
06:59:19 AM
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sodium
thiosulfate
Na 2 S 2 O 3 , colorless
crystalline compound that is more familiar as the
pentahydrate, Na 2 S 2 O 3 ·5H 2 O, an
efflorescent, monoclinic crystalline substance
also called sodium hyposulfite or “hypo.” Sodium
thiosulfate is readily soluble in water and is a
mild reducing agent. Because it dissolves silver
salts, its major use is in photography for
developing film. It is also used in chrome-tanning
leather and in chemical manufacture. Sodium
thiosulfate is produced chiefly from liquid waste
products of sodium sulfide or sulfur dye
manufacture. It is also produced from sodium
carbonate, sulfur dioxide, and sulfur by a process
that involves several steps. |
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sharon
lane
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Australia
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Posted - 27 Jan 2005 :
03:28:07 AM
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| Where in
KL can I buy this yellow powder? |
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Lyon
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Posted - 27 Jan 2005 :
10:21:46 AM
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| You can
try in any Aquarium and ask for yellow powder. |
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