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grantsearl
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 Posted - 03 Jan 2004 :
11:08:02 AM    
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Firstly, hello from Australia and thanks
for sharing your views and knowledge on Bettas.
One question though -
you refer to yellow powder? What exactly is this? Is
it similar to a product we have in Australia
called
TriSulfur?
Thanks
Grant
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Jonathan_Tan
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Posted - 03 Jan 2004 :
12:42:58 PM 
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actually,
i'm not too sure of the contents but i believe its
some kind of sulfur
compound.
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Daniel
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Posted - 30 Mar 2004 :
1:40:06 PM  
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I'd just
purchased 2 packets from Ang Mo Kio for $1.50
each, to standby for clamped fins.
Can
anyone enlighten me on the dosage to use? (i.e.
How much to add to a gallon of water?)
As
mentioned by Myron, the text on the packaging is
in Japanese.
Should have
asked the storekeeper but had forgotten to do
so. |
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Goh
Shaw Chong
Novice
Singapore
42 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2004 :
7:03:21 PM
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| Can
Ketapng Leaves Extract be ADDED together with
Yellow Powder to treat a bettas
who used to hang at the surface of the water and
which also does not flare much..looks like
suffering from Clamped fins? |
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Alvin
Chan
Novice
Singapore
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Posted - 30 Mar 2004 :
7:08:11 PM 
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Hi
guys
My two cents - I chatted with the
shopkeeper regarding Yellow Powder.
He informed me that its used primarily for stress
relief. I usually dissolve a few grains (about 5,
too many and the water gets alarmingly yellow!) in
some water before adding the resulting solution to
the tanks of my four bettas.
They seem to love it :)
I bought it because
a few months ago one of my bettas
was starting to get so stressed that it was pale
and listless all the time. I did not know what was
plaguing it (although on hindsight I reckon it
just didn't like the frequent water changes with
the net - I've since changed my methods to a less
invasive one)
After a few days treatment
with Yellow Powder, its condition started to
improve. Happy to say, all my four bettas
are healthy and vibrant now
:)
Cheers
Alvin |
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Daniel
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Posted - 30 Mar 2004 :
8:11:33 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Alvin Chan
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My two cents - I chatted with the
shopkeeper regarding Yellow Powder. He informed me that its
used primarily for stress relief. I usually
dissolve a few grains (about 5, too many and the
water gets alarmingly yellow!) in some water
before adding the resulting solution to the
tanks of my four bettas. They seem to love it
:)
Thanks a million...
Alvin. |
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Ronnie
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
10:38:32 AM
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| To me, if
my betta actually ate the grains
before they dissolve, their illness went away
faster. So I'll starve them and then drop the
yellow powder grains and if they gobble
them up, oral medication is complete....try it, it
worked for me..hehe |
Everything is OK
in the the end...if it isn't OK, it still isn't
the end. |
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Daniel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
10:50:33 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ronnie Lau
To
me, if my betta actually ate the grains
before they dissolve, their illness went away
faster. So I'll starve them and then drop the
yellow powder grains and if they
gobble them up, oral medication is
complete....try it, it worked for me..hehe
Thanks a zillion...
Ronnie. |
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Jodi
Lea
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
12:06:53 PM
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I've been
wanting to ask that question myself Grant.
Tri-sulphur is such an old drug though. Most of
the nasties are resistant to it. Wonder what else
is in the mix? Any Janpanese-Singaporeans around
to translate?
Thanks, J |
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Myron
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
12:20:29 PM
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| What does
Tri-surplur do? It is a remedy for clamped
fins? |
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Myron
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
2:18:43 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daniel
Chia
Tri-surplur is an anti-bacteria
for the treatment of external infections (e.g.
fit rot, pop eye and gill diseases).
If this is true, then
Tri-sulfur is not the same as Japanese
Yellow Powder. |
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Daniel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 :
2:26:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Myron
Tay
What does Tri-surplur do? It is a
remedy for clamped fins?
It's an anti-bacterial used
for the treatment of external infections (eg.
fin-rot, pop-eye and gills disease).
My
guess is that the yellow powder
is Tetracycline, the 'yellow' antibiotic with
anti-inflammatory properties, which is used by
humans for the treatment of inflamed skin
conditions like acne.
Anyway, this is only
my wild guess. I agree with Jodi that what we
really need is a Japanese
interpreter. |
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Daniel
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 :
08:37:10 AM
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Here's
another picture with the front and back of the
packaging.
Please feel free to download and
show it to someone who can translate the Japanese
text.
Don't forget to get back to us after
that. Useful information should be shared. I'm not
kidding and this is no joke (although today's
April 1st). Thank you. |
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gtkang
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Malaysia
29 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 :
5:55:15 PM
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The front
package is just brand and manifacturername the
japanese txt 1 row is 1gm contain
natorium 100mg. 2 row avoid direct sunlight. 3 row
refer to instruction for usage which is included
in the package.
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel
Chia
Here's another picture with the
front and back of the packaging.
Please feel free to download
and show it to someone who can translate the
Japanese text.
Don't
forget to get back to us after that. Useful
information should be shared. I'm not kidding
and this is no joke (although today's April
1st). Thank you.
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 :
8:58:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gtkang
The
front package is just brand and manifacturername
the japanese txt 1 row is 1gm
contain natorium 100mg. 2 row avoid direct
sunlight. 3 row refer to instruction for usage
which is included in the package.
Thank you very much for the
translation.
Can't seem to find "natorium"
in the pharmacology dictionary.
Looks like
this yellow stuff is still a
mystery. |
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gtkang
Novice
Malaysia
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 Posted - 01 Apr 2004 :
9:41:43 PM
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just a
direct translation from the japanese
txt it sound natorium or natolium is a english
words from the way japanese style.
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Chia
quote:
Originally posted by gtkang
The
front package is just brand and manifacturername
the japanese txt 1 row is 1gm
contain natorium 100mg. 2 row avoid direct
sunlight. 3 row refer to instruction for usage
which is included in the package.
Thank you very much for the
translation.
Can't seem to find
"natorium" in the pharmacology
dictionary.
Looks like this yellow stuff
is still a mystery.
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Alex
Lim
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Singapore
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 :
11:33:37 PM
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Hi all,
nothing to do with translation, but just
recall something after reading Uncle Kang's reply
that "to avoid direct sunlight". this drug will
break down in strong lighting, hence it will lose
it's effectiveness once exposed. when using this
prescription, best to keep the betta
with it is administered in a dark corner till it
recovers. just sharing
p/s: i'm uncertain
if the same effect occurs on lam hong brand. but i
do follow the same anyway. |
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Thunder Is Impressive. But It's Lightning That
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Edited by - Alex Lim on 01 Apr 2004
11:35:11 PM |
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Myron
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Daniel
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 :
9:04:57 PM
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Based on
Mr Kang's translation and Alex's comment about
avoiding direct sunlight, I believe that the
yellow powder is (or contains) Thiamine
(i.e. Thiamin Hydrochloride or Thiamin
mononitrate), which is Vitamin B1.
This
vitamin is yellow and breaksdown easily
when exposed to sunlight. It is used to boost
energy, treat fatigue and aid recovery of illness,
injury or stress. |
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Lynn
Tan
Novice
Singapore
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 :
9:25:15 PM
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Wow!
Looks like interesting detective work happened
here. 
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virus that I just want to minus..." - Phua Chu
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 :
08:17:48 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daniel
Chia
Based on Mr Kang's translation
and Alex's comment about avoiding direct
sunlight, I believe that the yellow powder
is (or contains) Thiamine (i.e. Thiamin
Hydrochloride or Thiamin mononitrate), which is
Vitamin B1.
This vitamin is yellow
and breaksdown easily when exposed to
sunlight. It is used to boost energy, treat
fatigue and aid recovery of illness, injury or
stress.
Anyway, this is just another
attempt at establishing the yellow substance in
the packaging.
So, we'll still need someone
who knows the Japanese language and has
knowledge about names of medicine in Japanese
to confirm if it is indeed Thiamine (Vitamin
B1). |
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gtkang
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Kevin
Tan
Novice
Australia
37 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2004 :
08:47:15 AM
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Grant,
this is precisely why this product will never be
available on the Australian market. Australian
laws require that all medicinal products contain a
break down of all active ingredients and many
international fish medicine companies have
research secrets of which they would not like to
divulge (hence no active ingredient on the
packaging).
I don't buy that the product
simply contains vitamin B1 as I have seen this
product used on Koi before to remove lice and hook
worm! My suspicion was there may be some
praziquantel or trichlorofon in it... but seeing
that it also heals ulcers and 'unclamp fins', I'm
stumped at what cocktails they have in there!
Australian medication for fish is becoming
a joke.... Government has just forced the
withdrawal of Waterlife (UK) products. Interpet
line of medication never made it past approval...
sigh. All decent antibiotics for fish are 'by vet
prescription' only (other than tetracycline and
tri-sulphur which is basically 30years too late
anyway!)and often when u go see a vet for fish
meds, they just look at you funny....
I've been trying to import some
packages/tea bags of "Indian Almond leaf"
(Ketapang), but geez, quarantine wants a break
down of chemical composition! Wants it gamma
radiated, and wants it vacummed sealed! Geez....
****ed if we knew, and ****ed if the manufacturers
would go thru so much trouble to get a $2 product
over here!!!
Such are the miseries of
living in the great big island somewhere down
there that wants to keep everything out. 
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 :
11:08:05 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Tan
I
don't buy that the product simply contains
vitamin B1 as I have seen this product used on
Koi before to remove lice and hook worm! My
suspicion was there may be some praziquantel or
trichlorofon in it... but seeing that it also
heals ulcers and 'unclamp fins', I'm stumped at
what cocktails they have in there!
With the information about the
anthelmintic effects (i.e. ability to eliminate
worm infestation) of this yellow powder,
it does seem that it is not a single drug, but a
concoction or "cocktail" as described by
Kevin.
Thanks for sharing this vital info,
Kevin. Now we know that this stuff can also rid
our fish of parasites. |
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Edited by - Daniel Chia on 04 Apr 2004
5:38:10 PM |
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gtkang
Novice
Malaysia
29 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2004 :
11:30:38 PM
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ok floks
just find out the secret of yellow powder
NATORIUM=NA(Chemical Name)=SOLDIUM. Soldium is
yellowish color and is also salts Myron attachment
URL just an explanation of our human body contain
how many % of natorium(soldium) and some food that
we consume also have natorium(soldium). I hope
this will solve the mistery of the yellow powder.
gtkang
quote:
Originally posted by Myron
Tay
Found this Japanese website on
natorium:
http://health.iosum.ne.jp/reference/natorium.html
Mr
Kang - does this help?
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Edited by - gtkang on 04 Apr 2004 11:33:35
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Kevin
Tan
Novice
Australia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
07:37:05 AM
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Errr....
but uncle Kang, Sodium (Na) is a very unstable
element in it's pure form. Remember I used to hide
tiny piece of sodium wrapped in wet-tissue soaked
in oil under the rim of the toilet bowl, so when
someone flush, the piece of sodium get into
contact with water... and KA-BOOOOOOM!!!
EXPLODE!!!
So yes, if it was Sodium...
plus water (in your fish tank), then there's going
to be an explosion and some very scared fish. 
However, if MAY be
some sodium salts....
For starters, Sodium
Chloride (NaCl) is just normal kitchen salt! But
Sodium Chloride is not yellow. Hmmmm.... so now we
need some chemist/pharmacist to come tell us what
Sodium salts are yellow and has healing properties
etc. 
My guess is that it
will not be so simple to find out the chemical
compound used in this yellow powder
med.... for the simple fact, THEY DON'T WANT U TO
KNOW. Lol... |
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gtkang
Novice
Malaysia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
09:11:19 AM
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| Kelvin i
am just direct translate from the packaging "1g
contain natorium 100mg". Natorium japanese
words is just soldium. Anyway i am not a chemist
just translate the japanese words and have comfirm
by a friend holding PHD at a university in tokyo,
yr case is water to soldium(toilet bowl) How about
soldium to water?????? |
Edited by - gtkang on 05 Apr 2004 09:33:24
AM |
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Myron
Tay
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
10:00:54 AM
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| Agree
that it is probably not sodium in its pure form.
Probably monosodium phosphate or disodium
phosphate, which are found in some of our foods as
preservatives(?)? |
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grantsearl
Novice
10 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
10:28:34 AM
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| Def not
sodium. Highly reactive with air and water ...
lots of flames and therefore one charred betta. |
Edited by - grantsearl on 05 Apr 2004
3:45:12 PM |
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Daniel
Chia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
3:26:16 PM
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Emailed
the picture to a friend who studied Japanese
during her undergraduate days. Her reply was that
the Japanese pronunciation (primitive
sounds) is: "Ni-furuchisuren
natrium".
Translated, it's bi- or
di- something sodium. |
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grantsearl
Novice
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :
3:49:58 PM
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| Could it
be sodium thiosulfate? This acts as an antiseptic
... don't ask but I remember in my uni days we
used to use it to sterilize the home brew kit
(home brewed beer). |
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