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coquinn
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posted October 01, 2000 11:22 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for coquinn   Click Here to See the Profile for coquinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit coquinn's Homepage!
The story so far: We have determined what a turbo is, how the exhaust turbine functions (and what affects its performance), what the inlet compressor is (and what affects its performance), and hinted a little at what selecting a turbo requires.

Now: Intercoolers, Wastegates, and BOV's - OH MY!

Intercooler:

So, we left off with high pressure air leaving the compressor outlet. Unfortunately, physics has worked against us this time, and the act of doing work to our inlet air to compress it has raised its temperature.

This is bad.

Not only are we reducing density, we're increasing the possibility of the great bugaboo - detonation. Remember, the onset of detonation is usually a limiting factor on the amount of power a given engine can produce, and that increased intake temperature (as measured at the intake valve) increases the chance of detonation.

So we have to cool the air back down again, without losing pressure.

That's the job of the intercooler, basically an "air radiator" placed in the flow stream between the turbo compressor outlet and the intake manifold. There's really not much else to say about them, except:

(1) The more you can cool the air flow, the better. This normally means the bigger the intercooler, the better.

Side Note: There are some smaller intercoolers that are better designed thatn the lower-end "big" intercoolers, though, so size does not necessesarily indicate effectiveness.

(2) The inetercooler must be placed in a location where ambient air can flow through it. This means that your intercooler must have an intake path and an exhaust path. Mounting a intercooler flush against a plate does no good!

(3) There's always a pressure drop across an intercooler. How much depends on the intercooler design.

Wastegates:

A turbo is a positive-feedback device. The more boost you make, the more exhaust you make, which makes more exhaust, which makes more boost . . .in a vicious circle. So we have to have some way of limiting boost.

What we really want is a way of keeping the turbine operating at a constant speed (see previous post - "The Compressor") so that we can maximize the compressor efficiency - remember that turbines like to run at a single speed. However, as measuring turbo RPM is not practical, and as boost level is directly related to turbo speed, keeping boost constant is the wastegate's job.

The wastegate is just a valve that opens when we have exceeded our desired boost level, and allows exhaust to flow around the turbine, instead of through it. This lowers the pressure differential across the turbine, less work is done, and the turbo slows down.

The only "gotcha" with the wastegate is that it must be able to flow enough gas to let the turbo slow down. If it can't, the you get "boost creep" where boost levels slowly grow as the car remains under boost. Bad.

Blow-Off-Valve (BOV):

Everybody like's BOV's because of the nifty sneeze sound they make. However, a BOV is an evil device. It's taking your precious boost and venting it someplace else. Bad!

Unfortunately, it's a nessecary evil, and we have to live with it. Here's why:

You're under boost, the turbo is fully spooled, and life is good - then you shift. That means that you foot comes off the gas - and the throttle plate slams shut. Suddenly, instead of flowing in a continous stream through the engine, the intake air smacks into a closed throttle plate. The turbo, which is still spinning and producing boost because if it's rotational inertia keeps producing pressure, and the intake stream, caught between a rock and a hard place, jumps in pressure. In fact, you get a high-pressure shockwave that travels from the throttle plate back to the compressor vanes, that once it gets there, is a little like poking a stick into the spokes of a bicycle wheel.

The repeated shock is hard on the compressor vanes and the shaft bearings, and in any case acts like a brake, slowing the turbo, and requiring it to be spooled up again.

The BOV sits in between the turbo and the throttle plate, and if it detects the shockwave created by a shift, vents it elsewhere - either to the atmosphere, or back into the inlet side of the turbo.

So, we loost boost pressure, but we kept the turbo spooled . . .tough to say without a dyno if that was a fair trade on a race vehicle. On a street vehicle, it was definately a good idea, because we spared our expensive turbo a mechanical shock.

Next I'll try to sum everything up.

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Chris
-2000 Civic Si
-1998 Eclipse GSX
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posted October 06, 2000 12:16 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for OSM   Click Here to See the Profile for OSM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit OSM's Homepage!
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lucas569
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posted October 06, 2000 05:56 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for lucas569   Click Here to See the Profile for lucas569     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   
can you tell me how an electronic
boost cotroller works ?
when the waste gate controls it ?
can you only go as high as the spring will let you.
are there any negatives to using an ebc ?
any recomendations ?

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D/CAN
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posted October 06, 2000 08:48 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for D/CAN   Click Here to See the Profile for D/CAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   
On the subject of turbo health, my turbo is a ball bearing with holes for dual cooling. The old timer who did my install hooked up only the oil line and insist I don't need the water line to the turbo.
I am prepared to pay someone else to hook up the water line, is dual cooling an over kill?

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coquinn
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posted October 06, 2000 11:43 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for coquinn   Click Here to See the Profile for coquinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit coquinn's Homepage!
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Originally posted by D/CAN:
my turbo is a ball bearing with holes for dual cooling. Is dual cooling an over kill?

No, dual-cooling is NOT overkill. From personal experience, stock DSM turbos (T-25 for 2G, 14B for 1G) are both oil and water cooled. Depending on what your selection is for aftermarket turbo, then can be either water cooled, oil cooled, or both. It really depends on the turbo. I would recommend connecting the water line, it won't hurt the car, and it's a good safety precaution. Good luck.

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Chris
-2000 Civic Si
-1998 Eclipse GSX
-1991 Talon TSi AWD

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D/CAN
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posted October 07, 2000 12:14 AM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for D/CAN   Click Here to See the Profile for D/CAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   
Thanks, I needed a second opinion.

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XT6Wagon
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posted October 08, 2000 11:40 PM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for XT6Wagon   Click Here to See the Profile for XT6Wagon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   
I second the fact that water cooling is a VERY GOOD THING for turbos, and as such you should get it hooked up.

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coquinn
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posted October 11, 2000 08:50 AM    Click Here to See Extended Profile for coquinn   Click Here to See the Profile for coquinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Visit coquinn's Homepage!
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Chris
-2000 Civic Si
-1998 Eclipse GSX
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