SECIAN ROLEPLAY MEETING #3

Harris says, "this is why people hate Secians so much"

Siara asks, "Because of OOC meeting?"

Aliyah says to Harris, "I hate you"

Aliyah says to Harris, "no hard feelings"

Ying says, "that was harsh..."

Harris says, "because they can't follow simple directions"

Cinnamon says to Aliyah, "Heh."

Tressa says to Siara, "because they can't sit still"

Cinnamon says to Harris, "You're not exactly being quiet yourself."

Geriant says to Harris, "It's not a secian-only disease."

Siara says, "I think everyone who is coming is here."

Varchild asks, "familiars out please?"

Siara says, "Apologies to all but with the scroll I won't be able to respond to personal whispers."

Tzunoch says, "lotsa people"

Mahtina exclaims to Alwin, "You stole my wedding cake!"

You hear the voice of Remora say in Dragon, "ieufj Xyqnkp qhzflss"

Starlyn says to Tzunoch, "We decided to have a Sugar Festival"

Alwin says to Mahtina, "no no, just my piece"

Geriant says, "Sit on your hands, don't speak or make actions please. Let's keep the scroll to a minimum. If you want to have conversations with friends, use whispers."

Tzunoch asks, "a party?"

Mahtina says to Alwin, "There was only one piece"

Tzunoch asks, "isn't this supposed to be a meeting?"

Korlit asks, "Games?"

Geriant says, "If your kickmeout timer pops up, use look please. "

Korlit says, "Ohh... secian stuff"

Siara says, "We will simply throw out people who can't follow directions."

Relawen says to Tzunoch, "When Secians are around, there's not much of a difference."

Siara says, "All the way to ..."

Tzunoch exclaims, "i got 25 gold, and i lost! good games"

Siara says, "Rathan I think."

Aliyah says, "Tanga"

Geriant says, "No games."

Cinnamon says to Siara, "The pit in Emjedah."

Weldoian says, "Wrathmar."

Remora says, "we can also throw people out who move around more than needed"

Litorth'a asks Geriant, "Can we start with taking a list to be in my private Secian harem? I think that would be a good way to begin."

Siara says, "Well, thanks everyone for coming. I promise I will try to talk/type as fast as I can."

Siara says, "I would like to suggest once again that you all read the story Chronicles of Pel in the history section of the www.dragons-gate.com website."

Siara says, "I asked folks to come to this meeting for a few reasons."

Siara says, "Mainly, the volume of suggestions I had received saying it was time to have one."

Siara says, "Secians are a very difficult race to roleplay, and I would even say the most difficult."

Siara says, "They are the one race who can not attack other sentient beings."

Siara says, "They are the one race who is supposed to be almost always happy."

Siara says, "They are the one race who can NEVER lie."

Siara says, "They are the one race that loves dragons dearly."

Siara says, "While they have a lot of musts and nevers there is some room for variation."

Siara says, "Not all Secians are heart clerics, some are hand clerics and sword clerics and mages."

Siara says, "However, all Secians feel the need to heal."

Siara says, "Secians, while they are innocent, are not children."

Siara says, "They are very intelligent beings."

Siara says, "Now, those are the basics to the race."

Siara says, "I will open the floor to questions if you whisper to me that you have a question."

Siara asks, "Emari?"

Emari says, "I read the Chronicles of Pel and had a question about part of it"

Geriant says, "Fams out please."

Siara says, "Sure, I wasn't the author but I did edit the grammar and all."

Emari says, "I noticed it said the concept of danger was almost foreign to them and, they didn't comprehend the danger, etc...."

Emari asks, "But yet Secians are supposed to be very intelligent...right?"

Siara says, "Yes."

Puc exclaims, "We fearless!!!"

Emari asks, "They don't recognize it because they never experienced danger...?"

Emari says, "I am confused"

Siara says, "You can be very intelligent and still be innocent to the ways of violence and danger."

Siara says, "Starlyn is dying to answer your question."

Emari says, "But...."

Emari says, "Ok"

Rydareon asks, "so what happens once they do experience it, just go from there?"

Starlyn says, "What Puc said is what I've been told in the past, by Darrin, is that Secians are fearless"

Puc exclaims, "We naive!"

Starlyn says, "Not niave, but kind of like we can't lie"

Emari asks, "Secians in Spur are supposed to be fearless?"

Starlyn says, "We have no concept of it"

Starlyn says, "We have no concept of fear for ourselves"

Emari says, "I mean for example...."

Siara says, "I think that's the best way to put it."

Siara says, "No fear for themselves."

Siara says, "How could anyone want to hurt them."

Qun asks, "Selfless?"

Cinnamon asks, "Can fear for others though, yes?"

Emari asks, "The other day my character got hurt by a PC...so she is not supposed to be afraid then? fear for ourselves and others?"

Geriant says, "Feel concern, yes."

Harris says, "seems an intelligent being would learn from their environment and quickly"

Qun asks, "Selfless?"

Starlyn asks Harris, "And not repeat the past. What is wise about fear?"

Qun says, "Sorry."

Weldoian asks, "Are we saying that Secians would have to be disbelieving of the idea that in Spur, people would hurt them?"

Geriant says, "They would learn what is harmful to them and others, but they don't fear things like pain. Think of it like medics in combat. They are under fire, can't fire back.. yet they continue to calmly care for the wounded."

Starlyn says, "No, they just shouldn't fear it."

Geriant says, "Being fearless is not the same as being blind and gullible."

Emari asks Geriant, "But their great empathy..feeling when others are hurt, and taking that pain on themselves...but they feel it, they can't ignore it...drawn to it like a moth to a flame even though it could destroy them?"

Tarah asks, "wouldn't they fear losing their own lives and hurting their loved ones?"

Mahtina says to Geriant, "Thanks, that makes more sence to me"

Siara says, "They just wouldn't worry about themselves."

Nalpac asks, "naievity? or just general optomistic view?"

Geriant says, "Which is one of the reasons they don't really know fear. They will take the pain onto themselves rather than see another bear it."

Siara says, "They would be more concerned with the people who needed help."

Attkayet'a says, "I personally think its something that they start with, that's innate with them. Like the qualities you start out with in life. As a secian gets older, he or she might still impulsively start to go into danger to help someone, but out of practice, traini"

Tarah asks, "but if they know it will crush a loved one if they die, would they not worry about their own welfare?"

Daffred says, "Empathy works in many ways. As an empath you should be able to read when someone is darkly evil and avoid them."

Attkayet'a says, "training, if you will, learn to ACT cautious, if not actually feel fear."

Varchild says, "Being in the Army, this is what is stated as one of the Seven Army Values, under SELFLESS-SERVICE: Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinate before you own."

Rydareon says, "knowin when to be cautious is not the same as bein fearfull"

Marinda says to Tarah, "I'm not afraid of rtains, but I wouldn't walk in fromnt of one coming down the tracks. Fear and self-preservation aren't the same thing"

Geriant says, "A secian would likely rather die if it meant saving another's life."

Siara says, "Thinking about themselves just wouldn't enter into it Tarah."

Emari says, "Maybe I am confusing being cautious with being fearful or afraid"

Varchild says, "I.e. A secian would put the welfare of a dragon who is in trouble before there own welfare."

Emari says, "Thank you"

Geriant says, "If the secian knows a loved one might be hurt, they'd likely weigh that against the loved ones of the person they are saving."

Siara asks, "Ok Varchild you have a question?"

Tarah asks, "so basically under all situations, Secians should remain calm?"

Varchild says, "Yes, I know that secians are healers by trade, but the other class avaiable to them at creation, Psionist, Does not offer a whole lot of options for healing at lower levels until the character hits level 20 psioincs when they learn heal. I would just "

Tarah says, "pardon me"

Aliyah says, "Cure aura"

Weldoian says, "Trans dam/wound."

Varchild says, "Like clarifyed what exactly a secian psion can do to heal apart from the usual transfering of damage."

Cinnamon says, "Transfer then cure aura yourself."

Remora says, "Transfer, secian forgiveness"

Siara says, "Secians have a racial healing spell."

Varchild says, "I meant asides from those 2 methods."

Elee says, "First aid."

Puc asks, "First aid?"

Yorlan says to Varchild, "Probably tranfer damage and as you progress up in levels, use psionic heal over cure aura."

Cinnamon says, "You could also consider trying to keep people out of situations where they get hurt to be a form of healing."

Geriant says, "And there's always first aid."

Remora says to Cinnamon, "excellent point"

Starlyn says, "Or emotional healing... being there to releave emotional pain"

Zydrigeon says, "no disrepect but first aid kills faster than critters sometimes."

Siara says, "There are a lot of ways they can heal."

Remora says to Cinnamon, "though not always possible it is an option"

Varchild says, "Alright, I was just wondering, I needed some expansion on how I should progress Varchild this time around and was looking for ways. Thank you."

Cinnamon says, "I've often just taken Saek out of the square instead of letting him get beat on."

Siara asks, "Cinnamon?"

Geriant says to Zydrigeon, "Doesn't mean it's not a viable healing option, most low level healing is risky in combat."

Cinnamon says, "I have a couple questions but I'll try to be fast since I have to get going soon."

Cinnamon says, "First, there've been several cases..."

Cinnamon says, "Of Secians who are married or involved in intimate relationships cheating on their significant others."

Cinnamon asks, "Is this, in any remote way, acceptable, and how should the Secians who find out about it treat the others?"

Cinnamon says, "It seems to be the ultimate form of betrayal, especially for a race who cannot decieve."

Tarah says, "unless you have an open marriage"

Siara says, "Well..."

Alwin says to Tarah, "let's not explore that shall we"

Siara says, "I woould say that Secians, being orderly beings, would never cheat on someone."

Remora says, "actually i can see secians having an open marriage..."

Siara says, "It would be similar to lying if one thinks about it."

Siara says, "If one swore to love and honor someone forever, it would be breaking that vow."

Siara says, "I can't see a Secian doing that."

Nalpac asks Siara, "it would be betrayal of trust and outright deception something a secian should not do, correct?"

Siara says, "Seems to be a more human sort of thing to do."

Cinnamon says, "Unfortunately some have. And I'm not sure how Cinnamon should react to those who have done it."

Harris says, "seems like more an OOC mistake based on rushing into relationships"

Cinnamon says, "Sometimes I wish she could slap them"

Siara says, "Well.. that's harder to comment on."

Mahtina says, "Yes, as a secian and a Rinannian, I was at a loss"

Siara says, "Secians aren't Leuians so I wouldn't say they would shun them."

Geriant says, "Usually is, just like leuians cheating on khat'saras is usually a case where people rushed into it."

Siara says, "I think it would be just unimaginable to them. Similar to a Secian who lies."

Varchild says, "My point is that its all a roleplaying driven element as well. If a spouse is never there for the other spouse, that is also a breaking of vows, thus the spouse who is hurt in the marriage is then open to seek comfort elsewhere."

Geriant says to Varchild, "Uhm, no."

Starlyn says, "I guess it would work kind of like when a Secian lies"

Grizzelda says, "well they should divorce before seeking that attention"

Siara says, "No I can't see Secians divorcing either."

Attkayet'a says to Varchild, "glad i'm not married to you."

Tarah says, "that's kinda like lying to oneself"

Marinda says to Grizzelda, "role up a different character"

Starlyn asks, "I mean, what DO you say when a Secian lies? They're not supposed to be able to."

Weldoian asks, "You mean I'm still married to Rosi?"

Siara says, "If they say I love you forever, then they love that person forever."

Cinnamon says, "For example, I've had Cinnamon just sort of avoid these people, because I don't know what to say to them."

Yorlan says to Starlyn, "Yeah. Uh... you lied..."

Remora says, "a Secian wouldn't divorce, technically there should be no reason to get divorced, except they are played by humans"

Geriant says, "Preferably, people just wouldn't use Dgate as a dating service or for mastabatory fantasies. There's chatrooms and IM's for that."

Vaeric says, "There's a real life for that too"

Ying says, "didn't want to hear that...."

Starlyn says, "Same thing applies to this... practically the only thing you can do is just avoid and/or ignor the topic"

Qun asks Geriant, "Can I quote you on that? Repeatedly, because I think it'd be necessary?"

Rydareon asks Geriant, "would that secian have to wait for their spouse to finally come back before trying to dissolve the marriage?"

Attkayet'a exclaims to Geriant, "Thank you! I wanted to say that so badly."

Tzunoch says, "i wish there were no humans, it would make things a lot easier"

Geriant says to Qun, "Feel free."

Cinnamon says, "I've even considered reporting them to elders, but I know in one case at least the elders knew about it."

Larnic exclaims, "Virgin ears!"

Aliyah asks Weldoian, "what does that make Isarah then?"

Jezimai says, "Illegitimate."

Ignus asks, "wait it isn't? what the hell am i doing here...."

Daffred asks, "As healers should we try to heal them rather than avoid them?"

Weldoian says to Aliyah, "A mistake."

Cinnamon asks Siara, "Is that something we should do, if we know something like that is happening?"

Starlyn says to Daffred, "But it's almost an OOC issue"

Tressa asks Siara, "So you do not think it is possible for Secians to dissolve a marriage? Agree to free each other from their vows?"

Alwin asks, "But if both secians don't love each other anymore, isn't them being married just another lie?"

Siara says, "It's so difficult to say what you should do about these things because I would say it's borderline OOC."

Siara says, "I think it would be appropriate to bring it to an Elder's attention and have him or her or it address it."

Cinnamon says to Alwin, "Well... from what I've seen these Secians still act as if they're very much in love with the other person.. when they're around."

Cinnamon says to Siara, "That's what I wanted to know."

Kang asks, "jail time for cheating?"

Zydrigeon asks, "how about put it in the lore that Secians dont need Marriage since they are all Empathic...they all know what each feels for each othe?"

Aliyah says, "eww"

Rydareon says, "that is the problem with trying to rp marriage.......half the real marriages don't work out either"

Siara says, "I think if you say they don't love each other anymore it would be more a case of the humans behind them not liking each other anymore."

Geriant says to Alwin, "Marriage doesn't necessarily equate to love, but it again returns to the idea that they probably jumped into it too soon."

Cinnamon says, "That's why I refuse to RP any relationships with Kyle except for our Bond"

Siara says, "That just wouldn't happen with Secians."

Weldoian asks Jezimai, "So...you didn't like me then?" Cinnamon says to Starlyn, "Humph."

Elza says to Rydareon, "that's cus people don't work at it."

Jezimai exclaims to Weldoian, "I loved you!"

Starlyn says to Cinnamon, "Not you silly"

Jezimai exclaims to Weldoian, "You left!"

Cinnamon says, "Oh goodie"

Cinnamon says, "Ok, one more question."

Litorth'a says, "I love me, Me and I are the perfect couple."

Siara asks, "Can we stop the side conversations please?"

Cinnamon says, "And this one is something that's been really bothering me."

Ying says to Litorth'a, "amen."

Ancalagon says, "Ture dragons are dragons OOC or IC"

Nalpac says, "hate to see that wedding"

Remora asks Siara, "need me to play bouncer?"

Ancalagon asks, "true?"

Cinnamon says, "In my experience there are some Dragons who treat Secians like so much dirt, pushing them around and being really rude. At another angle there are some Dragons that just act... well.. despicable."

Cinnamon says, "While Cinnamon loves them all, by virtue of them being Dragons, she has been very dissapointed in some of them, and will occasionally scold them for their actions."

Tzunoch says, "you don't hang around me much"

Cinnamon says, "I feel somewhat conflicted when I do this."

Weldoian says, "Weldo too, sometimes."

Cinnamon says, "Because said dragons then call me a gobbie"

Rydareon says, "cin go girl"

Siara says, "A Secian would shrug it off and still love them."

Grimn says, "vin, what a hideous thing to say"

Cinnamon says, "She does still love them."

Cinnamon says, "She's just dissapointed in their actions and tells them such, hoping they'll change."

Dru says, "cut the side comments and actions, people. You can whisper to each other."

Siara says, "I don't think a Secian would even do that."

Varchild says, "Varchild sees the affairs of dragons as just that, the affairs of dragons, its not his place to meddle in them, his place is at his dragon's side healing her."

Cinnamon says, "Am I wrong in having her do this, or should she just grin and bear it."

Remora says, "also alot of Dragons care more for their chosen/bondmate and don't really feel required to pay much attention to other secians..."

Faranth says to Cinnamon, "I would probably say you can do the I love all dragons but that doesn't mean I have to like them."

Siara says, "I think the Secian would just think well that dragon is a little odd and move on."

Puc nods to Varchild, "Dragons will be Dragons."

Marinda says, "Marinda doesn't usually even notice"

Faranth says, "But I don't know if that is considered lying or not."

Tressa asks, "as a tangent to that... are secians supposed to love all dragons, no matter what they do?"

Geriant says, "Remember, dragons are basically still children and young adolescents until they reach third stage. As a secian, you might see their behaviour as being like a petulant child. A secian likely believes the dragon will grow out of it. "

Cinnamon says, "In cases of other Dragons attacking Cinnamon's bond, for example, she's very upset with them especially when they do it in front of her, and she usually tells them that it wasn't very nice to do that in front of a Secian, et. cetera."

Rydareon says to Geriant, "i agree"

Cinnamon says, "I try really hard to keep her from getting as angry as *I* do over these things, but I wasn't sure if the occasional "Hey that's not nice to do in front of Secians, don't you realize how much it hurts us" was wrong or not."

Siara says, "I would think a dragon wouldn't do that in front of a secian."

Cinnamon says, "Usually I end up just sighing and being frustrated and have to log out"

Cinnamon says, "Oh, they have."

Siara says, "So if that is happening there's a problem with the dragon."

Cinnamon says, "Saek's nearly been killed in front of Cinnamon by dragons several times."

Siara says, "Dragons might not dote on all Secians but they do respect them, and to attack a bond is to greatly disrespect the secian."

Geriant says, "While it can be hard to do, sometimes your best option is to leave the situation or even log out of the game if you feel *you* are starting to bleed into your character's mindset."

Cinnamon says, "And unfortunately I'm also then stuck between healing her bond or healing the other dragon, because I have so few hitpoints doing both is usually impossible with the damage they're dealing to Saek."

Cinnamon says to Geriant, "I usually do, hence why I haven't been around much lately"

Daffred asks, "Guard a dragon and let the other dragon kill a secian?"

Zydrigeon says to Cinnamon, "not to place blame on others..but maybe that says something about how he acts when your not around."

Siara says, "But that is such a fuzzy line."

Weldoian says to Cinnamon, "I would think the Secian would focus more on the Bond in that kind of situation."

Siara says, "Dragons will attack other dragons, that's normal."

Cinnamon says, "I have, occasionally, *let* Cinnamon die from transferring too much damage, but it never seems to sink in."

Alwin says, "bondmate comes first"

Cinnamon says, "I've done that and been called a gobbie"

Harris says, "seems more a question for the Dragon RP meeting"

Varchild says, "It all goes back to the 'selfless' element of a secian."

Rydareon says, "i think the link should be put into play at that point"

Rydareon says, "tell all the other secians and they will tell the dragons"

Siara says, "Well the gobbie thing needs to stop."

Grizzelda asks, "so a dragon who repeatedly attacks a sentiant being in front of secian should know better , yet if the continue it should be brought up to a elder?"

Siara says, "We don't gobbie secians anymore."

Cinnamon says, "I get called green and gobbie all the time, just because Cinnamon might grumble or frown or tell someone to leave her alone."

Siara says, "I think that should be something for the dragon players to think about. Attacking a dragon in front of the bond."

Cinnamon says, "Or ugh, because she didn't like sugar"

Weldoian exclaims to Cinnamon, "Yes, that!"

Tarah says, "calling a Secian Gobbie nowadays may be more IC than it used to, since now they get turned into newts"

Weldoian asks, "I get that all the time. Only, in my case, it's "Are you sure you're not an Alarian?"

Siara asks, "All done Cinnamon?"

Cinnamon asks, "That's the other thing. The sugar thing. Is that reall Secian or is that something Secian players started?"

Rydareon says, "dragons tend to police their own, anyway the ones that do this don't really care for rp just for their OOC feelings"

Geriant says, "Every race will turn into a newt if they are going beyond the pale for the race."

Puc says to Weldoian, "But we all understand you a bit coo coo."

Jezimai says to Cinnamon, "Used to be crayons..."

Siara says, "The sugar thing is just a player thing as far as I know."

Weldoian says to Puc, "I am not."

Elee says to Cinnamon, "Uh, yeah, that sugar thing started around when I first came to DGate.."

Ying says, "I think it should be the dragon's player responsibility to Rp as best as they can, which would include not calling a secian green or a gobbie or anything like that."

Siara says, "I think it is connected to the whole children thing."

Starlyn says, "sirar, Cherry goop"

Puc exclaims to Weldoian, "You talk to fountains!"

Cinnamon asks, "And meat... can Secians eat meat or is that a personal preference?"

Elee says to Starlyn, "Now I know that I started that one."

Siara says, "Which, there is a very big difference between child-like and child"

Rydareon asks Geriant, "can i roll a newt please?"

Geriant says, "No."

Cinnamon says, "Cause I had Cinnamon eat a bit of meat since Saek staged as a way to RP some of his things rubbing off on her."

Elee asks Qun, "Remember how we wanted to do newt sisters?"

Siara says, "Hmm"

Cinnamon says, "I wanna make sure that's ok before Cinnamon starts eating balogna sammiches."

Cinnamon asks, "bologna?" Siara says, "Now this might be my own bias, but I can't see a Secian eating anything that once was alive."

Geriant says, "Newts never should have been available to people as a race, nor should we as staff have used them to make ERCs with."

Gladys says to Siara, "plant are alive too"

Rydareon asks, "plants?"

Mahtina asks Siara, "What about an elindalian not making waste?"

Rydareon asks, "fruit?"

Siara says, "I think you all know what I mean by alive."

Marinda says, "that was my question"

Siara says, "Let's not get annoying."

Faranth says to Cinnamon, "I would think bologna sandwiches would be alright. I don't see how anyone can call that a meat. Sorta like hotdogs."

Tressa says to Siara, "alive and sentient"

Ying says, "guess that means I better go, then"

Ying says, "ask lots of questions for me."

Cinnamon says, "Like this"

Ancalagon asks, "Do processed meats exist in D-gate?"

Siara says, "Ying you are next."

Ying asks, "what I do?"

Geriant says, "Easy on the actions and comments please. Let's keep the scroll down for the poor editors of logs."

Siara says, "You had a question."

Faranth says to Ancalagon, "I don't think so. At least I've never seen them."

Siara says, "You're next."

Ying says, "oh"

Gladys says, "i don't think lobsters are sentient"

Ying says, "yeah. I did."

Ying says, "but it was asked"

Siara says, "ok"

Siara asks, "Done Cinnamon?"

Cinnamon says, "Yes."

Siara says, "Weldo."

Cinnamon asks, "I have to go, can someone who's logging send me a copy?"

Weldoian says, "Well, she took mine, the thief."

Siara asks, "You had a question?"

Weldoian says, "But, I've another."

Tarah says, "we should carry little brooms around to dust the ground before we walk on it, in case we step on a bug"

Geriant says, "Whisper to Siara if you have a question."

Rydareon says to Tarah, "try flying"

Weldoian says, "Okay. Now, for the last couple years or so, Weldo's gotten a lot of teasing. About his age and stuff."

Cinnamon says to Siara, "Thank you for what I've been here for."

Weldoian says, "People calling him grandpa, senile, coot...that sorta thing."

Erana says to Weldoian, "i would never do that" Weldoian says, "Only, in the case of "senile", there have been some Secians who have called him that in a not-so-teasing manner."

Weldoian asks, "Would Secians do that?"

Remora says, "not to intentionally cause emotional harm"

Harris says to Weldoian, "if they believed it was the truth based on your actions"

Rydareon says to Weldoian, "i think you have aged like a fine wine"

Weldoian says, "I mean, label a person senile and then dismiss them as such."

Siara says, "Secians would never knowlingly be cruel."

Siara says, "I can't see Secians disrespecting their elders in such a way."

Marinda asks, "what about those younger?"

Mahtina asks, "What about telling someone to shut up?"

Weldoian says, "You hear that, youngin's."

Siara says, "Sounds more like a dragon to me."

Gladys says, "i could see them having a real concern and mentioningg it in a sensitive way though"

Starlyn says to Weldoian, "You're still an old coot"

Yorlan says to Weldoian, "You start it"

Elee exclaims to Siara, "Gotta run, but thanks for the meeting!"

Siara asks, "Anything else Weldo?"

Weldoian says, "Yes."

Weldoian says, "Not so much a question as an observation/concern."

Weldoian says, "I've noticed a severe lack of Elder-supported Secian RP oppurtunities. The last I think we had was..."

Weldoian says, "The Tora-anne house thingy."

Tzunoch asks, "the what?"

Siara says, "Ok I'll be blunt since every has been."

Geriant says, "And I'll have a comment after she's done having her say."

Siara says, "Every time we try to have a Secian roleplay opportunity the secian community has a collective fit."

Siara says, "Frankly we're at a bit of a loss at what to do that won't anger them."

Weldoian says, "That's another thing, but I'll wait."

Siara says to Geriant, "Go ahead."

Ancalagon says, "Because many secian players are selfish and very opinionated..just like many dragon players are young and impulsive."

Harris asks Siara, "can you define fit? I'm not sure I follow you"

Pluck says to Harris, "thanks, I'm not sure I follow that either"

Siara says, "Avalanches of emails complaining."

Zydrigeon asks, "why do you feel you have to please them all? none of the other scenarios/rp things need to please all involved. the people behind the characters are gonna be fickle anyway...no matter what you do."

Pluck says, "ah"

Tressa asks Siara, "or give an example?"

Remora says to Siara, "i can give them a good example if you like"

Siara says, "Nah."

Zydrigeon says, "i think the staff does a great job as it is."

Attkayet'a says, "It's a real shame tora-anne had to be put on a shelf. That had some good possibilities for ongoing "in game education"

Geriant says, "Or people saying it's not the way they see secians. Or why are we catering to so-and-so, I'm a better secian.."

Pluck asks Geriant, "you really get emails like that?"

Kalessin says to Geriant, "I think you should just ignore them."

Siara says, "It's very difficult to go through the trouble of setting up a scenario only to get pummeled with complaints when it is over."

Geriant says, "Or Dragons complaining that they should be involved too.."

Zydrigeon says to Attkayet'a, "that was us dragons that goofed that. not just secians."

Geriant says, "Yes, we get emails like that. And it's hard to ignore thirty or fourty of them."

Kalessin asks, "how many secians ARE there?"

Zydrigeon says to Kalessin, "a lot."

Attkayet'a says, "Oh, I know that. I was just saying it was a shame. It could have helped fill in that gap that has appeared in the teaching ranks of the races."

Geriant says, "Just about everyone has a secian it seems."

Zydrigeon says, "not me. i can't be that nice."

Siara says, "Now."

Erana asks, "why can't everyone be like me? i never complain, just accept stuff as is"

Siara says, "That being said."

Faranth says to Zydrigeon, "Believe me it's a chore."

Kalessin says to Geriant, "I don't. Prolly should be thankful."

Tressa says, "I don't recall ever complaining about a secian RP thing... guess I don't complain enough"

Siara says, "We are planning on starting up some things soon."

Siara says, "I have two volunteers who specifically asked to do some things with Secians."

Puc exclaims to Siara, "As long it's not Daemon and Headflinger!"

Siara says, "Tressa this might have been before your time. It's been a while since we did anything."

Geriant says, "Ok.. other reason there aren't many race-oriented scenarios anymore is we've found they tend to be the ones that end up being the least satisfying for everyone involved."

Siara says, "Staff member volunteers"

Remora says, "if they were player volunteers we'd have had more"

Siara says, "And the ones that get complained about the most."

Gladys asks Geriant, "why do you think that is?"

Geriant says, "They tend to generate the most complaints about favoritism, and complaints that we have no idea what we are doing."

Weldoian says, "Which I understand, but the other scenarios kinda leave Secians hanging. Except for in the case of, maybe, the Riannians/"

Rydareon asks, "ger makes it harder to hide, huh?"

Litorth'a says, "Kind of stinks for those who only have a race to distinguish them."

Geriant says to Gladys, "Mostly because everyone likes a chance to be involved in things. A race-only event sort of gets people miffed they aren't in the club."

Siara says, "But thanks for the question we are planning to have a few things soon."

Rydareon says, "just kiddin"

Weldoian asks, "One more thing?"

Weldoian asks Geriant, "And that's different from religious-scenarios, how?"

Geriant says to Litorth'a, "There's always the great wide world to get involved in."

Weldoian says, "Anyhow..."

Remora says to Weldoian, "a secian can get involved in any scenario really"

Weldoian says, "As a tie-in to the complaints and stuff..."

Geriant says, "It differs a lot actually."

Weldoian says, "I think it's in part to the fact that some players think they're the kings of RP. Now, I know none of us like being criticized for how we RP our characters, but let's face it. Not one of us here is THE perfect RPer."

Litorth'a says to Geriant, "Then you get complained at for not being aloof enough. It is really hard for Dragons to get involved in things, but I am derailing."

Weldoian says, "And I think that if we all were just a bit more open to advice, there wouldn't be so many complaints..."

Attkayet'a says to Litorth'a, "I haven't been voluntarily involved in a scenario outside of my own staging in years. Get used to it."

Rydareon says to Weldoian, "i think if people wouldn't be so willing to advise and just rp the situation we would all be better off"

Litorth'a says to Attkayet'a, "Inspirin was an awesome scenario, and primarily Dragon/Secian too. It would be nice to have things like that again."

Alwin says to Weldoian, "in a perfect world yup"

Weldoian says, "Just what I've seen."

Tzunoch says, "i don't believe i have ever been in a scenario"

Siara says, "Well we had the essence hunter not too long ago, but no dragons and secians chose to get involved in that one."

Kaziah says to Tzunoch, "You make your own scenarios."

Zydrigeon says to Tzunoch, "they can sneak up on you."

Weldoian says, "That, and I'm tired of being looked at weirdly for denouncing sugar."

Mahtina exclaims to Siara, "I yelled!"

Geriant says, "It's something everyone should remember, sometimes everyone forgets and tend to think the problems lie with everyone else but them."

Erana says, "i've been in a scenario...i got the scars to prove it"

Siara says, "Well, most didn't."

Attkayet'a says, "Atty wasn't going to go looking for him/her. She is after all an essence carrying dragon. That and I was out of town."

Tarah says, "yeah, that whole Tchalatri'a scenerio fizzled"

Tzunoch says, "im too new to think of a scenario"

Zydrigeon says, "I'm a draco, i run from anything that resembles big an nasty essence hunters. young does not mean stupid."

Larnic says, "ok, with the essence hunter scenerio...."

Harris says, "it's hard to get my Secian involved in a Scenario as a secondary character"

Siara says, "Actually, I thought it went pretty well for the bad guys."

Geriant says to Zydrigeon, "Got no essense for them to hunt."

Weldoian says to Harris, "But, in the case of scenarios, that's pretty much all we can do. Sit back and heal."

Zydrigeon says, "so true."

Weldoian says, "Anyhow, I'm done. For now."

Geriant says, "On the contrary Weldoian. Plenty more you can do if you use your noggin."

Larnic says, "well I don't feel right about going with dragons to "take care" of the essence hunter. that's putting yourself in the violence..."

Weldoian says to Geriant, "Look who you're talkin' to."

Zydrigeon says to Weldoian, "i seem to recall you and a anthian fixing a fountain in TSC not long ago...that seems like being involved in stuff to me"

Siara says, "Again that goes with the fearless/selfless aspect of a Secian."

Geriant says to Weldoian, "I know who I'm talking to, old player doesn't equate to not making mistakes or not learning new things."

Yorlan says to Larnic, "Secians are more concerned about others than themselves."

Weldoian exclaims to Zydrigeon, "I know, and I LOVED it!"

Weldoian asks Geriant, "Did I say otherwise?"

Zydrigeon says, "so did i...i mean my anthian."

Larnic says to Yorlan, "exactly, so they would not agree to go help kill someone else"

Weldoian says to Geriant, "I'm the first person to admit that I learn things everyday."

Larnic asks, "right?"

Litorth'a says, "Well, I really didn't mean to sound like I was complaining or passing blame. I just wanted to point out how having so few racial scenarios could create a lack of opportunity for Dragons. As for me, I've got my own little scenario so I can't complain."

Geriant says, "Nope, just pointing it out. Not always."

Attkayet'a says to Litorth'a, "you staged, that's it, now like it."

Kalessin says, "I think that there are plenty of things that dragons can get involved in if they really want to."

Kalessin says, "Younger ones at least."

Siara says, "Anyway we have plots in the fire for dragons and secians."

Siara says, "Just have to wait to see where they go."

Pluck says, "part of how involved one gets also depends on where one 'lives'"

Geriant says, "Scenarios that affect the world or the surrounding cities can involve dragons. People can complain about being aloof, but y'all have homes too."

Remora says to Siara, "i thought we had Dragons and secian in the pots ready for the fire..."

Marinda says to Pluck, "and who you are"

Gladys says, "anything that involves secians could potentially involve dragons i would think"

Mahtina exclaims, "Protect your Ranges!"

Siara says, "Ok Larnic had a question."

Siara says, "Everyone else hush."

Geriant says, "No games."

Remora says to Raeven, "they have been postponed"

Larnic asks, "ok, as far as we're not able to lie...how about as far as jokes and stuff?"

Siara says, "Not sure I follow you."

Larnic says, "I mean, this seems like a "duh" question, but for example today I said I was pregnant, and right afterwards I told I was just kidding"

Larnic says, "just simple stuff like that"

Siara says, "No lying."

Siara says, "Even in jokes."

Emmaline says, "There goes my RP."

Weldoian asks, "What about sarcasm?"

Rydareon asks, "so sarcasm is out the too?"

Marinda says, "I hope so"

Weldoian says, "Even though I know it's been discussed on the boards"

Weldoian says, "I don't. I'd have to reinvent Weldo."

Remora says, "i don't think secians would be sarcastic because it is misleading"

Harris asks, "have years of joking RP to erase then?"

Siara says, "Well"

Zydrigeon says, "sarcasm is a fine art. not really lying...more like constructively cynical."

Jezimai says, "But god. Years of Spur has to have an effect on Secians."

Siara says, "Difficult questions you're asking me."

Weldoian says, "But, I've done it before. So..."

Weldoian says, "That's always been my take on it."

Larnic says, "ok, no more jokes"

Jezimai asks, "How could it not??"

Siara says, "Jokes are ok..."

Puc says, "I don't think a joke is the same as a lie."

Larnic says, "but most of them involve lying"

Marinda says, "you can't change your very nature"

Valmeer exclaims, "Oh yeah! I am a really mean sword cleric! (Like that?)"

Rydareon says to Zydrigeon, "then that leaves an opening for constructive bending of the truth"

Weldoian says, "That, and the whole understanding-of-violence thing."

Puc says, "Most people know when they are lying."

Sevi asks, "I would think it depended on the intent of the sarcasm, and... would it hurt anyone?"

Geriant says, "The hard part is making sure people know you are being sarcastic. There's no tone of voice in the game."

Siara says, "But I don't think a Secian would say they were pregnant if they weren't..."

Zwitter says, "Lies are malicious, meant to usually hurt others feelings, jokes usually aren't"

Larnic says, "but right afterwards I said it was a joke"

Mahtina asks Siara, "What about being led to lie, being told misinformation?"

You hear the voice of Dru ask, "Perhaps everyone could control their side discussions and emotes so we can hear the person asking the question and the elders answering? Novel idea, eh?"

Larnic asks, "but you think that is wrong?"

Geriant says, "But I'd be inclined to think a secian wouldn't do anything that could be considered deceptive."

Ancalagon asks, "Siara what if they put a large ruby under their shirt and they were on a sugar high?"

Siara says, "That's a better way of phrasing it."

Weldoian says, "But sarcasm isn't necessarily deceptive."

Harris says, "when I jokingly mislead, I always clear it up instantly"

Geriant says, "However, that doesn't mean they have to tell the enitre truth."

Harris says, "so there's no question it was a joke"

Geriant says to Weldoian, "No it's not, but without the ability to hear tone of voice it makes it hard to discern. "

Yorlan asks, "Verbie can't play jokes anymore?"

Remora says to Larnic, "that kind of joke is you misleading someone, i don't think a secian would do that...there is a difference between knock knock and i'm pregnant"

Weldoian says, "That's why I roll my eyes or wink or whatever."

Siara says, "You know, I am just not sure on this fuzzy line. I'll ask the big guy and see what he says."

Siara says, "I am certainly not saying you can no longer joke or anything."

Weldoian says, "Yes, well according to him..."

Geriant says, "Can play jokes I'd think. Just avoid things that might be seen as misleading."

Marinda says, "or insulting"

Larnic asks, "even if you clear it up right afterwards?"

Emmaline says to Geriant, "Doesn't seem to leave much to joke about."

Siara says, "Secians just don't think that way. They are hard wired to tell the truth in everything."

Pluck says, "but even being misleading is sometimes done for very good, pure of heart, empathic reasons"

Geriant says, "However, that also doesn't mean you have to tell the whole truth if someone asks a question. Or that you even have to answer."

Mahtina asks, "What about repeating the wrong information?"

Marinda says to Mahtina, "not if you know it's wrong information"

Mahtina says, "mari I mean if you don't"

Remora says, "or if you know you shouldn't tell them"

Tarah says, "like if a secian were asking another to marry him, he might have to hide the ring and lead her on and then surprise her and that's all about love"

Siara says, "Right, not if you know it is not true."

Weldoian asks Soaren, "then, saying to someone, Oh, yeah, I'll kill that Dragon for you. would be wrong? Even though it's coming from a Secian, and chances are, it's accompanied by some sort of emote?"

Rydareon asks, "give only so much truthful information as lead someone to believe what they will?"

Geriant says, "If you know it's wrong, you'd be lying to repeat it so I'd say no. If you don't know, you'd likely believe it's true."

Weldoian says to Soaren, "Not you. So. Sorry."

Siara says, "A secian wouldn't joke like that."

Weldoian asks, "Even it were an obvious sarcastic remark?"

Siara says, "About killing a dragon."

Geriant says, "Secian would likely never joke about death or inflicting pain I'd think."

Weldoian exclaims, "'Cuz when weldo's like that, I'm like, come on people. As if I'd do that!"

Starlyn says to Weldoian, "That would be Joe, speaking as Welcome"

Siara says, "But see, that's more human than Secian."

Starlyn says, "Weldo too"

Weldoian says, "Well, Weldo too. He's an old man after all."

Emmaline asks Weldoian, "Does this mean I can't call you names on the link anymore?"

Larnic asks Siara, "so we're truth telling machines that heal everything and everyone on sight?"

Alwin says to Weldoian, "and possible part Alarian"

Weldoian says, "Sometimes he wants to just glare at people for their "stupidity."

Starlyn says, "Age is relative to Secians, for all we joke."

Marinda asks Weldoian, "and senile?"

Geriant asks, "When you open up the possibility of some sort of deception, where do you draw the line? It's a slippery slope argument."

Weldoian says to Marinda, "He's not senile."

Weldoian says, "Why people say that is beyond me."

Siara says, "This is one of those things that makes a Secian so hard to play."

Marinda asks, "because he talks about killing people?"

Gladys asks Weldoian, "didn't you used to say you were older than dirt?"

Weldoian says to Marinda, "And he means it."

Jezimai says, "This is one of the reasons Secian players are driven to rolling Sans"

Larnic says to Jezimai, "or Arachnian"

Weldoian says to Gladys, "No. Others do."

Alwin says to Jezimai, "or Frontacians"

Remora says to Jezimai, "yes we are"

Geriant says to Larnic, "Secians aren't machines, they might be compelled to heal and tell the truth but they do have free will, intelligent minds and a vibrant community."

Weldoian says, "I mean, Weldo never uses sarcasm as an intent to deceive people. It's always a reflex action, as if to say, "come on, person. use your brain."

Larnic says to Geriant, "I know I'm comeing off as pretty rude, and I really don't mean to. but that's how it's sounding to me"

Larnic says, "as in we don't have a choice, not to even joke"

Marinda says, "it is possible to have fun and be honest at the same time"

Geriant says to Weldoian, "Then he should probably tell them Come on and use your brain."

Weldoian asks, "But wouldn't that be rude?"

Geriant says, "No ruder than a sarcastic remark."

Jezimai says, "It may be, but if sarcasm is taken the wrong way..."

Elza says, "Night everyone. Time for me to go."

Siara asks, "Larnic did you have any other questions?"

Larnic exclaims, "I thought we couldn't be sarcastic!"

Geriant says to Larnic, "You probably shouldn't be, go back and read that sequence carefully please."

Larnic says, "I do, but it's not one you can answer"

Weldoian asks Soaren, "then, basically, you're saying that Weldo can't be a grumpy curmudgeon?"

Weldoian says, "So."

Geriant says, "Won't know unless you ask."

Weldoian exclaims to Soaren, "Not you!"

Geriant says, "Can be a grumpy curmudgeon without being sarcastic."

Emmaline asks, "So Secians are supposed to be fairly serious-minded, then..?"

Larnic asks, "how are we supposed to act when our "dragon" attacks others?"

Jezimai says, "Straight forward, I'd think."

Weldoian asks Soaren, "no sarcasm then?"

Remora says to Weldoian, "Cappy played a very good Grumpy secian"

Jezimai says, "You can be silly and straight forward. I am."

Weldoian says to Remora, "I know that."

Larnic says, "even in self defense...like I said, that's something I should decide on my own"

Geriant says, "Can be, but they are able to be silly, fun-loving or impish. Just no deception."

Siara says, "I would say you would heal your dragon."

Weldoian says, "I guess I better roll up a Flerian or something. I don't know if I could NOT be sarcastic."

Geriant says, "I'd say no, but we'll see what the official folks say about sarcasm."

Gladys says to Larnic, "i don't think your dragon should be picking fights in front of you"

Siara says, "If your dragon is attacked."

Siara says, "Again, that is something the dragons need to think about as well."

Mahtina asks, "What if your bonded to a mean dragon?"

Emmaline says to Geriant, "Impish could be taken the wrong way though, that's my concern. I'm just not sure where to draw the line, that's all."

Siara says, "You picked him or her to bond with."

Mahtina says, "Don't want to limit them either"

Larnic says, "I have to go, thank you for the meeting"

Kalessin says, "In my opinion even "mean" dragons would have enough respect for their bond not to do that kind of thing"

Geriant says to Emmaline, "The line tends to get fuzzy at points."

Siara says to Kalessin, "Or they would want their Secian to think good of them so they wouldn't show that side around them."

Ancalagon asks, "So in time of war when imperials and dragons go to fight they leave their secians behind? Abandoning their greatest protection?"

Siara says, "Most likely, yes."

Kalessin says, "Not in most ... lore..."

Siara says, "Lore is lore, not history."

Marinda says, "Rawcliffe usually does"

Mahtina says, "But I would refuse to stay behind"

Rydareon says to Mahtina, "the dragons that would start a fight in front of a secian is just interested in OOC not in dragon rp"

Gladys asks Siara, "wouldn't it depend on the war somewhat?"

Jezimai says, "You'd think that Secians would still feel the pain of their bond, even if they were a city away."

Mahtina says to Rylek, "I was speaking of defensive too."

Kalessin says to Siara, "I can't quite remember if it's lore or history. I'd have to check."

Litorth'a says to Siara, "I think someone left a nice post on lore or history"

Siara asks, "I think it would be a terrible thing to take a secian into a battle, can you imagine the pain it would cause him or her?"

Ancalagon says, "No more pain than being in TSC of the Spur"

Gladys says to Siara, "but what about some force attacking the city or the whole world"

Rydareon says to Mahtina, "well, they should defend, but i think that the secian should leave if the dragon requests it"

Siara says, "I would argue with you on that."

Jezimai says, "well if it's injuries incurred by your bond I'd think it'd be two-fold"

Siara asks, "Pluck had a question?"

Pluck says, "this might touch on some earlier topics, so bear with me ..."

Pluck says, "as we age and experience things, many of them less than pleasant ..."

Pluck asks, "how do we maintain our happy dispositions, deal with those who've formerly killed us or our bond and balance all that with our intelligence?"

Pluck asks, "I mean experience is bound to change us, no?"

Pluck asks, "or is that human personification entering into it?"

Siara says, "Being orderly persons, no you don't change."

Weldoian says, "That's always been, roughly, my ramifications for why Weldo is so grumpy, etc."

Harris says, "you win by refusing to sink to their level and be less than what you are"

Pluck asks, "so we continue to act as though nothing has gotten through to alter our outlooks?"

Marinda says, "Marinda always believes that everybody can change, and keeps giving them the benefit of the doubt"

Weldoian says, "It just seems to me that, at least in Weldo's case, if you've lost a Bond and lived in a city of constant violence...things will start getting to you. I don't see how an empathic race could live in a city like Spur and be happy ALL the time."

Remora says to Pluck, "this is part of why playing a secian is difficult"

Geriant says, "Might be a bit more cautious around someone after seeing them attack often enough, or not believe what they tell you but a secian's overall mindset shouldn't really change too much with regards to how they view the world."

Pluck says, "no, I understand that it's difficult, let me give an example"

Pluck says, "the current Sa temple 'scenario'"

Geriant says, "Don't have to be happy all of the time."

Weldoian says, "A slug."

Tarah says to Weldoian, "Secians might take generations to become affected by Spurian violence"

Weldoian says to Tarah, "Most definitely."

Pluck says, "no but this isn't about killing, this is about what was said to secians"

Tarah says, "if at all, that is"

Pluck says, "secians of Sa were told to overlook their own natures"

Pluck says, "to not permit an occasional fireball bother them"

Weldoian says, "I never got the feeling..."

Marinda says to Siara, "you said it's possible for them to be class first and race second too"

Pluck says to Weldoian, "that's a direct quote"

Weldoian asks Pluck, "Oh? Know where?"

Remora says, "they wouldn't be able to do that"

Weldoian says, "'Cuz I've heard it too, but.."

Weldoian says, "Oh, yes...Renalk."

Siara says, "Well you are taking that comment out of context, but I think I said something like that yes."

Pluck asks Siara, "out of context how?"

Marinda says, "I still can't see a secian's nature allowing them to wish harm on a dragon"

Pluck says, "basically, he was being told to ignore the burning of Treehaven"

Siara says, "I never said that."

Remora says to Marinda, "their nature wouldn't allow them to wish harm on anything"

Marinda says, "that's not what Darrin said"

Geriant asks, "Who made the statement about ignoring the burning of Treehaven?"

Weldoian says, "Renalk did say something to that effect though. Even I was taken a bit aback."

Siara says, "I think you're mistaking something."

Marinda says, "if it was in defense of their god, and the harm wasn't directly inflicted by them"

Tressa asks Pluck, "by Sa, or by a person? A person might say anything to a secian if they thought they could use them by doing so"

Starlyn asks, "Shouldn't it be the other way around? Secian nature isn't something that can be ignored. It would take priority over class."

Marinda says, "you said it was acceptable for one to pray harm on a dragon"

Grizzelda says, "after reading The Chronicles of Pel it seem secian can forgive even the most hidious thing"

Geriant asks, "Renalk's a san elf, why should Pluck or any secian take what he says as gospel on what a secian should feel?"

Marinda says to Starlyn, "that's what I thought"

Weldoian says, "In a list of priorities, Weldo has always been Secian, Saian, Sage. In that order."

Starlyn asks, "Really, the tenants (did I spell that right?) of your faith are the things that are flexible"

Pluck says to Tressa, "it was spoken on behalf of Sa, if you allow yourself to believe that a chaotic san elf wouldn't lie"

Siara says, "Well Marinda is bringing up an old situation that Darrin dealt with."

Marinda says, "that's what I said"

Tressa says to Pluck, "yep... IF"

Siara says, "One specific case that I'm not going to comment on as we don't do that sort of thing."

Marinda says, "he already said that secians can override their natures"

Pluck says to Geriant, "Pluck didn't"

Geriant says, "It's a mortal being speaking, unless Sa says it himself then take it with a grain of salt."

Pluck says, "but to Weldo's point earlier"

Siara says, "And I don't recall him ever saying Secians could override their natures."

Pluck says, "a secian in a scenario that heads that way gets sorta lost in the shuffle"

Pluck says to Siara, "should overlook"

Marinda says, "a secian's nature would never allow them to ask for a dragon to be hurt"

Siara says, "This was a specific instance involving channeling a god in defense of the temple."

Pluck says, "right, but I was only using it as an example"

Pluck asks, "to get back to ... would experience change us?"

Geriant says, "Experience wouldn't jade a secian if that is what you are asking."

Pluck says, "he hears that, he discounts it as untrue, then he starts questioning his faith"

Pluck says, "not jade him, per se"

Geriant asks, "Why would he question his own faith for something a san elf runemage said?"

Weldoian says, "A San Elf who is also the Advocate."

Syntrik says, "Because Sa has placed some emphasis on the san elf."

Weldoian says, "But still..take it with some salt."

Pluck says to Geriant, "the setup kinda leaves him stuck there"

Vaeric asks, "So is this a Saian RP meeting or a Secian one?"

Weldoian exclaims, "Salt is very healthy condiment!"

Ancalagon says to Vaeric, "dragon."

Jezimai asks, "in their inability to deceive, wouldn't it make it hard for Secians to decipher deception?"

Geriant asks, "Sa's faith covers the entire spectrum of ethical thought. Orderly, entropic, chaotic. How could an advocate of chaos force a being of order to question his faith?"

Starlyn says to Jezimai, "I would think their empathy would aide in that a bit."

Jezimai says, "good point."

Pluck says to Geriant, "not force, that's too strong, but certainly leave him wondering"

Sevi asks, "I thought that Secians weren't really able to fathom the concept that anyone would intentionally lie, or at least I think I remember reading something to that effect.. how then would they know they couldn't trust a San? Unless they are affected by event"

Weldoian says, "I think Secians would realize that some people do lie. Some people more than others."

Kalessin says, "I would think that after years of living in Spur they would learn..."

Alwin says, "The san in the example was chosen by the secian's god to represent the chaotic alignment of their religion"

Weldoian says, "And if it seems a bit farfetched to take it with some salt."

Syntrik says, "Just a short while ago it was posted that there were basically two kinds of secians. Those who don't wear armor, are rather ignorant to the ways of the world, and go around purely healing. And those who had realized the world they lived in and it's ne"

Rylek says, "Yikes. People (Rylek) have lied right in front of Secians to one person and then explained why he had to to that Secian. I hope that isn't bad..."

Syntrik says, "it's necessary evils"

Emmaline says to Rylek, "Yer allowed to do what you like though :P"

Alwin says, "it's what a San does"

Jezimai says, "heh"

Remora says to Rylek, "actually secians generate anti-lying fields, so Rylek has to tell the truth as long as a secian is in the room"

Rylek says, "Well, yeah. Rylek won't care, but I'd like to know."

Tressa says, "I think secians can't fathom themselves lying.. it doesn't mean they can't fathom someone else doing it... they just don't understand why anyone would really.. but they can understand that people do it."

Marinda asks Rylek, "you've lied? I always believe every word you say"

Geriant says, "Sorry, got lost there for a bit. I can see where Pluck might question his faith for a few moments, but most likely he'd see the facts of the situation and realize that Sa's temple is broad and diverse."

Rylek exclaims to Marinda, "And you always should!"

Tressa says to Marinda, "I know better"

Rydareon says to Rylek, "not me, i hear half of the whispers meant for you"

Marinda says, "he's just misinformed"

Geriant says, "Okay, settle down a bit please so we can get back on track."

Pluck asks Geriant, "he realizes that, but Sa was just an example ... so experience can alter our perceptions?"

Marinda says to Pluck, "make you re-examine them maybe"

Geriant says, "Can alter it slightly and probably only in regards to an individual rather than stereotyping a group, yes. Huge swings in the general outlook/personality of a secian shouldn't happen."

Geriant says, "Okay, Siara had to step away from the computer momentarily.."

Pluck says, "just one follow-up to that, also related ..."

Geriant says, "If Pluck's question is sufficiently answered I'll try to take the next one, please whisper.."

Pluck says to Geriant, "just to take this experience thing a bit further, relative to the discussion about deception"

Pluck says to Geriant, "Pluck has seen countless folks killed in Treehaven, and knows who the residents are and can distinguish them from most of the killers"

Pluck says, "so"

Pluck says, "he's standing in the Tree and a group of 'hostile' types come running in, chasing after a group of fir elves"

Pluck says, "now, the hostile group stops and says"

Pluck asks, "which way did they go, Pluck?"

Erana says, "couldn't he say i dont want to answer"

Pluck says to Soaren, "does he tell the truth ... they went thataway, pointing east ... shrugs and says, dunno"

Puc exclaims, "You answer, "I'm not telling! You big ole meanies!"

Geriant says, "Pluck can refuse to answer, or he could say they didn't go the way you just came."

Syntrik says, "You can tell a truth without giving up direct info"

Ancalagon says, "Night all"

Geriant says, "Not being able to lie doesn't equate to you are compelled to answer every question put to you."

Marinda says, "I usually just say I ain't tellin ya that"

Vaeric says, "Say they went that way, and don't point any direction."

Ancalagon says, "I'm going to kill a few secians"

Marinda says to Ancalagon, "sorry"

Erana says to Ancalagon, "can i help"

Emmaline says to Ancalagon, "They're all in here though."

Weldoian says to Ancalagon, "I want their heads."

Harris says to Pluck, "or you could bargain and say you'll tell if they promise not to kill them"

Pluck says to Harris, "he's done that a few times actually"

Marinda says, "I've tried that one too"

Pluck says, "doesn't work well"

Siara says, "Ok Starlyn had the next question."

Weldoian says, "That wouldn't necessarily work, especially if he knew the people might lie."

Harris says, "of course not, but still"

Siara says, "We need to speed up a bit folks."

Geriant says, "Ok, Siara's back obviously.."

Pluck exclaims, "thanks for the patience in addressing my questions!"

Starlyn says, "I don't have one"

Siara asks, "Tressa?"

Tressa asks, "you said secians feel a need to heal. Does that mean that we should feel like we need to chase folks around to heal them? Like when people are trying to remove an exile.. should a secian feel they need to chase after them when they leave TSC?"

Siara says, "Hmm"

Siara says, "I would think so."

Siara says, "But I would also think that would be a judgement call on the player's part too."

Starlyn says, "I would think... common sense would prevail over that. The person is now gone, you cannot feel their pain anymore."

Marinda asks Syntrik, "would it drive you nuts?"

Mahtina says, "And then we get exiled."

Syntrik says to Marinda, "YES"

Syntrik says to Mahtina, "Actually you only clean the square for that now"

Emari asks, "Gone where? five feet away? ten feet?..."

Siara asks, "Ok Grizzleda?"

Emari says, "sorry"

Grizzelda says, "well I was remind of a incedent I was told about where 3 secians"

Starlyn says, "Well, I do suppose there's a difference between being one south of tsc and being outside the city."

Grizzelda asks, "trans then locked a door to keep a player inside while another player umm roughed them up now that be bad rpp correct?" Grizzelda says, "even though"

Siara says, "Yes."

Grizzelda says, "tyhe player trans and locked up was very evil and known killer"

Siara says, "If they knew it would lead to pain for that person."

Grizzelda says, "thats what I thought I also was wondering b about a seian hunting certain things"

Grizzelda says, "I whisper earlier about fungus warrior to you"

Weldoian exclaims, "Evil fungi!"

Grizzelda says, "but what about say toad stools and such"

Marinda says, "and tanleroots"

Kaziah says to Weldoian, "Fun guy."

Marinda says, "tangleroots"

Grizzelda says, "things that ppear rather mindless"

Valmeer says, "not sentient."

Weldoian exclaims to Kaziah, "I know I am!"

Yorlan says to Siara, "Well, since it's obvious that I was the Secian with the spell, I have to say that while I, the player, knew that it might lead to villain being hurt, we were just looking for a method to corner him, since he kept running."

Pluck says, "I'll chime in there too, the character stole a corpse and was being chased down to retrieve it"

Rydareon says to Yorlan, "i still have to agree that it is not secian-like"

Siara says, "If it was just a matter of jailing someone there's nothing wrong with that."

Syntrik says, "We cooresed him too"

Grizzelda says, "but it wasn't jailing it was a murder in the end"

Syntrik says, "Convinced him he'd be stopping future pain"

Yorlan says to Siara, "We'd scry, only to have him in another region by the time we get to the spot where he was scried at."

Pluck says, "it was holding someone at bay in hopes of getting the corpse back"

Pluck says to Grizzelda, "it was not murder"

Pluck says, "he didn't die"

Marinda says, "unless you watched them attack him and kept him there anyway"

Grizzelda asks Pluck, "was he not attacked though?"

Mahtina says, "heal him"

Pluck says to Grizzelda, "I wasn't behind the locked door, so I don't know if he was attacked or not"

Geriant says, "If the secian is lead to believe it's going to be just for jailing, it's likely they are going to believe that. How a situation ends up shouldn't be the fault of the secian."

Siara says, "I agree."

Siara says, "As for what to hunt..."

Rydareon says, "i would think that a secian would do nothing to aid in the inflicting of pain on another"

Grizzelda says, "agreed but to stand in a locked room while there be attacked doesn't seem right either"

Siara says, "Sometimes it is a judgement call, but if it is obvious something is a living thinking thing, then a Secian should NEVER attack it."

Grizzelda says, "oh they didn't"

Mahtina asks Siara, "Are demons living?"

Geriant says, "And we really, really try to steer away from telling you what's right in specific situations. There's rarely one that's cut and dried or without history behind it that tends to not get mentioned."

Weldoian says, "Undead, scarecrows, golems, shadows, demons...."

Grizzelda says, "didn't mean to apply they did"

Alwin asks, "Golems?"

Valmeer asks Siara, "I thought it was just sentients you shouldnt attack? And that cuts out eating meat doesn't it?"

Syntrik says, "Magickal constructions are fair game for secians."

Yorlan says to Pluck, "A drake did claw him, but it's not like we stood around and smirked at the villain while he was getting torn into ribbons either."

Grizzelda says, "just sounded unsecian like they bring him there to be attacked is all"

Harris says to Grizzelda, "seems un Secian like to let a murderer run loose too"

Geriant says, "Secians might have been told he was just going to be jailed, can't judge them for how something sounds."

Harris says, "can't win"

Siara asks, "Anything else Grizzelda?"

Rydareon says to Harris, "i disagree, i think a secian would prefer to let them run"

Siara says, "Secians are Orderly and follow the laws of where they live."

Geriant says, "In general, unless you were there to witness everything it's best not to assume what was going on and please try to give your fellow roleplayers the benefit of the doubt before crying foul or saying they are RPing wrong."

Grizzelda says, "well if that was the case then I agree but I think oit was to rettrrive a corps"

Siara asks, "Harris a question?"

Syntrik asks, "Ummm what?"

Grizzelda says, "sorry didn't mean to open a powder keg"

Harris asks, "Is it normal for Secians to worship all material possessions even to the extent that they'd ignore bloodshed around them?"

Pluck says to Harris, "only if it's sugar"

Geriant says, "Not likely, no. Empathy is hard to shut off."

Harris says, "I see a lot of it"

Emmaline says, "We've got a worse reputation than I realized, even."

Weldoian says, "I'd SO like to snip that one in the arse."

Mahtina says, "If the secian chooses not to heal, they choose not to heal"

Siara asks, "Anything else Harris?"

Siara says, "Secians can't choose not to heal."

Marinda says to Harris, "I was told I was a lousy secian because I finished healing someone before accepting a gem from someone"

Weldoian says, "I can't say I've ever seen Secians decide items over life. At least, not in a bttle-type situation."

Geriant says, "But a secian doesn't need to be altruistic or have a mindset that possessions are evil."

Mahtina says to Siara, "But you just said..."

Harris says to Siara, "that's it"

Siara says, "Like I said, they are hard wired to heal."

Weldoian asks, "Even if healing would likely prolong the pain and fighting?"

Siara says, "I said they didn't have to chase people around to heal."

Emmaline asks Siara, "So it's not considered proper to ask if someone wants a heal first?"

Weldoian asks, "or if healing would get them hurt or killed?"

Siara says, "I don't think people should expect Secians to wait and ask to heal someone."

Marinda says, "I usually do"

Siara says, "Again, I would say it is the humans who want the asking."

Mahtina says, "I've been killed many times for it"

Emmaline says to Siara, "But it obviously agitates a lot of characters to be healed.. "

Siara says, "Because someone might be working on their FA or something. That is OOC."

Pluck says to Siara, "it is the humans often, FA"

Geriant says, "A secian would likely continue healing everyone they could, but they'd also likely be vocal about telling people to stop."

Tressa says, "Taathians and Arachs get really irritated sometimes if you touch them or heal them"

Starlyn says, "Heck, I've had Secians tell me not to heal them" Marinda says, "but some don't want strangers healing them"

Emmaline says, "Or they like pain."

Yorlan says, "Yes, I've been on the receiving end of the weapon by healing someone spontaneously..."

Weldoian says to Geriant, "But, ultimately, that'll prove futile."

Weldoian says, "so have I."

Yorlan says to Rylek, "Hi there. Nice bluesteel sword you have there with you."

Weldoian says, "I would think Secians would learn to be wary about just randomly healing. Especially those living in Spur."

Siara says, "But people should recognize that a Secian has to heal and shouldn't really hold that against them unless they are ebil."

Marinda says to Rylek, "I get killed for healing practically every Saturday night"

Geriant says, "A secian *needs* to heal when they see pain. They can't help it. It's futile to ask them to stop, it's an itch they have to scratch."

Yorlan asks Siara, "They do, but they have RP reasons to strike back, no?"

Rylek says to Geriant, "That's what I was going to ask. Colin called it an itch that was hard to ignore."

Mahtina says to Siara, "And protectors giving spurrians the right to kill exiles and then they yell and scream and kill when we do"

Harris says, "heh, heal and run"

Marinda asks, "even with arachnians?"

Weldoian says, "I know that Weldo rarely ever heals either side when a battle breaks out. He'll either get scorned, attacked, or other such things."

Siara says, "If they are evil."

Weldoian says, "I've had people who aren't "evil" get mad at me for healing people."

Marinda says, "the mental anguish it might cause, could be worse than the physical pain"

Siara says, "Then they are being evil in that instance."

Geriant says, "They can complain all they want, and they will. It's part of what makes it hard to be a secian."

Weldoian says, "my rationale has always been, at least since Weldo's bonding to Bizzy, was that if violence is the fastest way to end the pain, then allow it to go through."

Harris says, "or they're concerned about FA uses and aren't even RPing"

Tressa asks, "so even if someone says "don't heal me without asking, ever" we should heal them spontaneously, not stop and ask?"

Emmaline asks, "If they know it causes someone more pain to be healed.. aren't they just wilfully disregarding the truth or something?"

Yorlan asks Siara, "So this goes back to the whole fearless thing. Even though I know I'm going to get struck at, and possibly killed, I still heal that evil level 41 Taathian San Elf?"

Weldoian says, "It doesn't seem much sense for a Secian to keep healing people when those people are gonna continue to try and kill each other."

Litorth'a asks, "Does a Secians orderly law abiding nature or urge to heal take precedent when it comes to exiles being removed forcibly from town since it is considered illegal to aid an exile?"

Siara says, "My Secian would."

Syntrik says, "Oooh I like Lit's question"

Xalisha says to Litorth'a, "Thank you for asking."

Weldoian says to Litorth'a, "Good one."

Geriant says, "If your secian sees that somene is injured, it shouldn't be a second thought that you'd heal them. It's as necessary as breathing."

Mahtina says, "Even if it means breaking the law"

Weldoian asks, "Even if in, by healing that person, it prolongs the pain and suffering of that person?"

Marinda asks, "or causing an arachnain pain?"

Weldoian says, "It just seems kinda Taathian-ish to me."

Siara says, "That I guess is the main idea here, healing is a matter of survival for a Secian it isn't a choice."

Syntrik says to Weldoian, "I don't think secian nature is that far-sighted"

Geriant says, "As an orderly being, your nature is going to superceed any set of words put on a piece of paper."

Siara says, "The pain they feel from injured beings has to be removed by them."

Syntrik says to Weldoian, "It's a compulsion"

Marinda asks, "then why were secians told over a year ago to stop healing arachnians?"

Weldoian says to Syntrik, "It's how I've RPed Weldo for the last three or so years. I'm just trying to get it all cleared."

Emmaline asks Siara, "How would you reccommend a Secian respond when someone says Don't heal me? Just say Tough luck?"

Siara says, "They take that pain upon themselves."

Rydareon says, "so then soon there will be no secians in spur"

Marinda says, "that it was harassment"

Pluck says to Marinda, "not to cast at them to heal, I believe"

Syntrik says to Marinda, "Ya casting heal spells"

Weldoian says to Rydareon, "Pretty much."

Geriant says to Emmaline, "The secian would likely tell them Don't get hurt then Or Sorry."

Marinda says, "ok"

Syntrik says to Marinda, "You're still supposed to xfer"

Rydareon says, "they gonna try to heal all the outcasts"

Marinda says, "that's a waste of runes anyway"

Weldoian says, "I know, as a player, it's gonna get QUITE aggravating for people attacking me merely because I'm healing them."

Geriant says, "Casting spells, there's other ways of healing. Secian transfer isn't magickal."

Starlyn says to Rylek, "ICly if Spur doesn't wish the Secians to go away, they will adjust the laws."

Marinda says, "thanks"

Siara says, "I think that they would learn to stay away from the Secians when they are hurt."

Marinda says, "I thought it was"

Yorlan says, "There's always praying for heals..."

Kirrra says, "secian transfer requires touching them though.. which most Arachnians object to."

Siara says, "Then again, the Arachnians should stay away from Secians when they are hurt."

Mahtina says to Yorlan, "That's a good one actually"

Siara says, "Otherwise, they should know that Secians will heal them. They can't help it."

Pluck says, "in a perfect world, sure"

Geriant says, "They can object all they want, would be like you objecting about the arachnian resisting your healing magick."

Tressa says to Mahtina, "some of them don't like doves either"

Weldoian says, "I just don't think an intelligent race like Secians would give in to a compulsion. There's gotta be some rationale."

Weldoian says, "Just my opinion."

Kirrra says, "it's something we just need to deal with"

Marinda says to Geriant, "I do that too"

Rydareon says to Starlyn, "yeah, i see them making exceptions for secians, though that seems a little unfair"

Siara says, "Why are the secians as a group allowing other people to force them not to heal is a question I have."

Yorlan says to Siara, "But they don't. So we heal and get killed. Then it causes a riot and the Arachnian dies to Dragon claws"

Geriant says, "Humans are intelligent, we have many compulsions we give into."

Weldoian says, "But not all the time."

Syntrik says, "Secians have every mechanical advantage to get away from getting killed"

Siara says, "Fly."

Weldoian says to Syntrik, "not from Mages we don't." Siara says, "Leave TS."

Syntrik says to Weldoian, "spell dodge"

Pluck says to Weldoian, "we do, actually"

Emmaline says to Siara, "Interested in keeping peace, I thought. Sometimes it seemed like the more peaceful option not to agitate people by healing them against their express wishes. That was my rationale."

Weldoian says, "If we leave TS during a battle, that again seems a breach of RP."

Valmeer exclaims to Syntrik, "FJK! :P"

Yorlan says to Weldoian, "You do."

Geriant says, "I've yet to see a human get away from the compulsion to breath for more than a few moments. That's what healing is like for secians."

Harris says, "this is where the "fearless" interferes"

Siara says, "I really can't believe that many people don't like being healed. I can see the Arachnians, but the others it is all OOC reasons."

Geriant says, "It's not something that takes thought for them. They just do it."

Harris says, "Secians are too proud to run when they should"

Mahtina says, "I don't think it was to ooc"

Harris says, "or the players are too proud to run"

Emmaline says to Siara, "It's hard to assume what someone's reasons are though.."

Syntrik asks, "Now when Taathians 'enjoy' their pain. Is that joy or pain the secian feels?"

Tressa says to Siara, "and some of the more devout Taathians"

Starlyn says to Siara, "Actually, its the norm RP for bag people to not like Secians to touch them"

Marinda asks Geriant, "if I know there's poisonous gas in a room, ?I'd hold my breath long enough to get to fresh air"

Weldoian says, "Welp, let's watch my death coutn skyrocket. Gonna lose a LOT of goodies."

Weldoian says, "Fun."

Starlyn says, "Bad too... damn I can type"

Yorlan says to Siara, "What's really annoying is when someone comes to TSC, where you're standing, sits, and FAs themselves. When you heal them, they tell you to quit because they're practicing FA."

Weldoian says to Yorlan, "That I never understood."

Starlyn says, "That's their own bad RP though"

Syntrik says to Yorlan, "Tell them they're stupid"

Siara says to Marinda, "We aren't talking about you. We're talking about a Secian."

Starlyn says, "Not ours"

Tressa says to Yorlan, "I tell them to leave the square then.. not something they should expect to be able to do in TSC"

Siara says, "Heal them anyway, they'll learn to stay outside of TSC."

Marinda says to Siara, "he said that it was like breathing for humans"

Siara says, "Secians don't think like Humans."

Marinda says, "I don't go to TSC anyway"

Syntrik says, "secians HAVE to heal... no questions... HAVE too"

Weldoian says to Geriant, "and as far as the whole breathing thing goes...a Human CAN resist the temptation to not breathe. It only kills them."

Geriant says to Marinda, "It's not an easy thing to explain, it's an alien mindset to us. But if it was a secian in the room and Death himself was sitting in the room bleeding and the secian knew they would die if they healed Death.. they'd heal death."

Marinda says, "unless it was a muatana-al"

Kirrra says, "Secians have healed Muats"

Siara asks, "Ok, my bed time is approaching and we're just rehashing things. Does anyone have a new question?"

Litorth'a exclaims, "ME!"

Marinda says, "me"

Weldoian exclaims, "Me!"

Geriant says, "I personally don't agree with the muatana-al stipulation."

Siara asks, "Yorlan?"

Weldoian exclaims, "I've got three!"

Yorlan says to Siara, "Well, only to embarrass Verbie a bit more..."

Attkayet'a says, "well, but it's in the manual"

Geriant says, "Muats aren't inherently evil so.."

Yorlan says, "This goes back to the whole joke/sarcasm thing..."

Marinda says to Geriant, "it's been said that secians believe they are"

Geriant says to Attkayet'a, "Yes, written by a player. "

Zimmerion says, "Well, it's been interesting, thank you for the meeting, but we must depart."

Sevi says, "Thank you for the meeting."

Yorlan asks, "We once saw a donkey and came into TSC saying to one another, "Did you see that ass? It was marvelous!" Everyone chuckled at first, then whispered..."

Geriant says to Marinda, "Perhaps, I still don't agree with it."

Attkayet'a says, "Well, maybe, but it's in the manual. I was just pointing that out as people are told to look to the manual for answers."

Yorlan asks Siara, "Since it's joking around, how does that go into this?"

Geriant asks, "How is it being deceptive?"

Yorlan says, "I have no clue. But I remember being whispered to stop. And then Verbie continued... but in Secian."

Jezimai asks, "Maybe they thought it was obscene?"

Jezimai says, "I certainly don't but, you know. some people."

Siara asks, "Valmeer?"

Valmeer says, "The link .."

Valmeer asks, "Is it an empathic link, and can you really poke or hug on it? or feel pain?"

Syntrik says, "You can feel pain over a link, you can hear voices cut off. But you can't hug or poke has always been my perception"

Siara says, "I think you could feel pain, but I don't think hugs and things, no."

Siara says, "I think we have a thread on the boards about that."

Weldoian says, "If you can feel pain, I would think you can convey emotions that would be associated with hugging, etc."

Valmeer asks, "so : ounce:: : oke:: ::hug:: is a nono?"

Kirrra asks, "couldn't you sense the intention to comfort etc?"

Yorlan says, "I like Weldo's thinking on the link. He may type "rolls his eyes", but he's implying the mood he's saying the text in."

Siara says, "I personally would find it annoying."

Starlyn says, "the pouncing... the pouncing drives me nuts. I'm sorry, I can't contain it any longer."

Weldoian says, "Because if you can't indicate emotion, it seems to me that you couldn't have much punctuation."

Weldoian says, "Yes, no pouncing."

Valmeer asks Siara, "so basicaly Emotes on the link really shouldn't happen?"

Weldoian says, "But grinning, smiling, and to some extent, hugging, I can understand."

Yorlan asks Starlyn, "Poking?"

Pluck asks, "what about ::chuckles:: or ::winks:: or nada at all?"

Jezimai says, "what about something like ::sends a warm feeling::"

Syntrik says, "Emotes on the link are just annoying"

Siara says, "I think it would be something we wouldn't police, but again I would find it annoying."

Weldoian says to Jezimai, "How descriptive."

Zwitter exclaims, "I could see things like Zwitter links, "*warmly* hello!"

Rydareon asks, "they say that dragons can't do that, so why would secians be able to?"

Attkayet'a says, "I imagine you can laugh or sound amused, but I personally don't like emoting on the link."

Valmeer asks, "siara and would pain come across the link?"

Syntrik says, "Every psycian who has ever tried it has been bludgeoned to death with big rocks"

Marinda says, "I just say that's funny"

Syntrik says to Valmeer, "Yes, there was a scenario a while ago, where Psycians were able to feel pain and voices cut off over the link."

Starlyn says, "I could see something conveying emotion... but physical actions should be taboo"

Siara says, "I think pain might, yes."

Valmeer says to Syntrik, "Why thank you siara"

Valmeer says to Siara, "okay thanks"

Starlyn says to Syntrik, "Unfortunately we're Secian... no bludgeoning for us"

Siara exclaims, "Better to say something like, "I'm in such a great mood! I'd like to hug you all!"

Weldoian says, "Unless you count sugar to be bludgeoning."

Kalessin asks Siara, "Laughing and such...would be okay?"

Yorlan says to Starlyn, "Die."

Syntrik asks, "Why not... "That's funny."?"

Jezimai says, "I laugh inside my head all the time"

Siara says, "I think so, but again different people will feel diferently about it."

Jezimai says, "seriously"

Starlyn says to Weldoian, "I find your anti- suger stuff to be just as annoying as the sugar stuff, dearest."

Zwitter says, "laughing is physical"

Weldoian says to Starlyn, "I'm sure."

Siara says, "I think people object to :: :: stuff."

Rylek asks Jezimai, "Is it Hahahaha or like a giggle?"

Siara exclaims, "If you did something like Ha! for a laugh."

Weldoian says to Starlyn, "But something's gotta be around to challenge that durn sugar craze."

Rydareon says, "see, i think that if you can just picture yourself doing it then you could send that thought to others"

Rylek exclaims to Siara, "Yes, any of it!"

Syntrik says, ":: :: is just annoying it destroys the feel..."

Zwitter says, "yeah, sugar..retards"

Siara says, "Right it's the dots."

Siara asks, "Ok who still has a question?"

Weldoian exclaims, "ME!"

Siara asks, "Litorth?"

Weldoian says, "I said me first..."

Litorth'a asks, "Your post starts out, "I have had both players and staff approach me about things going on in the Secian community that they see that are troubling." What exactly have people found so troubling?"

Litorth'a says, "Obviously you can't give the specifics of the situations, but I think general trouble spots that people could watch for and improve on would be helpful."

Marinda says, "I do too"

Starlyn says, "I wish there were an actual link emote command. So you'd get a message like "You receive a feeling of happiness from Soandso"."

Jezimai says, "ooh, cool"

Siara says, "Well I think we touched on those things at the very begining of this meeting."

Yorlan says to Starlyn, "Neat suggestion."

Siara says, "Cinnamon's questions pretty much."

Geriant says to Litorth'a, "Most of the questions that have been asked here at this meeting are things people have said were troubling. "

Litorth'a asks, "So then there is nothing troubling that you feel was missed in the questions?"

Siara says, "Plus the hunting of sentients with magick because it doesn't count. Which is completely not true."

Zwitter asks, "So I can't attack Taathians with spells anymore?"

Valmeer says, "any secian or draco caught cybering must die."

Marinda says to Siara, "I was told that when I first started Marinda"

Marinda says, "that it was ok to attack if you only used magick"

Siara says, "I have had several players complain about Secians who are hunting or attacking other players with magick because there is no backlash. That is not ok, and it will lead to newting."

Litorth'a says to Valmeer, "I could kill you know if you like"

Valmeer exclaims to Litorth'a, "I ain't cybering!"

Siara asks, "Weldo?"

Attkayet'a asks, "What do you suggest be done if someone is found hunting a sentient? I mean, I suppose one could say that is odd, I thought that would damage you or something"

Weldoian says, "Three things, so I'll go quick. Their small though."

Attkayet'a says, "oops. sorry."

Siara says, "Report it to an Elder."

Weldoian asks, "First, is it okay for someone to say that a Secian has a bond back in New Secia?"

Rydareon asks, "does the newt have all the same skills and powers that the secian did?"

Weldoian asks, "Specifically, an Imperial?"

Weldoian says to Rydareon, "Newts are the suckiest of the sucky."

Gregor says to Weldoian, "And they like sugar"

Siara says, "Well they would have to be a pretty old Secian in that case."

Siara says, "But I suppose that would be ok."

Weldoian asks, "Right, and if that was the case...?"

Weldoian says, "Okay."

Weldoian says, "Secondly."

Rydareon asks, "yeah, Weldo, where did you come from that you have an affinity for sugar?"

Siara says, "Although dragons don't live in Secia..."

Weldoian asks Rydareon, "Eh? Weldo HATES sugar."

Weldoian says to Rydareon, "He's allergic to it."

Syntrik says, "An Imperial would live in... it's lair." Weldoian says, "Secondly."

Mahtina asks Siara, "What about little dracos?"

Siara says, "No I don't think so."

Weldoian asks, "Is it possible for a Secian to be older than Drakes, Dragons, and even Imperials?"

Geriant says, "No."

Geriant says, "At least not imperials."

Marinda says to Weldoian, "only Weldo"

Rydareon says to Weldoian, "no"

Siara says, "Older than drakes."

Weldoian asks, "Even if that Secian was around when those folks were Dracos?"

Siara says, "Possibly older than dragons IF the Secian was bound."

Valmeer exclaims to Weldoian, "you ain't older then Slepy! so give it up!"

Attkayet'a says, "If they are bonded secians, maybe be older..took the "

Attkayet'a says, "words right out"

Rydareon asks, "does the secian age like the drake at staging?"

Geriant says, "According to Darrin and Mythic, a secian's lifespan even extended through the bond won't be long enough to see a dragon through from drake to imperial."

Siara says, "But never older than an Imperial."

Weldoian says, "Right."

Weldoian asks, "So, in essence, since Weldo has been Bonded, he COULD be older than a Drake or Dragon?"

Weldoian says, "granted, Bonded once."

Yorlan says to Starlyn, "You'll never see Slep'a breathe acid."

Weldoian asks, "If not Dragon, then at least a Drake?"

Siara says, "Possibly, depends on the age of the dragon"

Siara says, "Certainly could be older than the drakes."

Starlyn says to Yorlan, "I don't even think Slep will live long enough to breath acid"

Zwitter says, "was he Bonded on the web or on AOL>"

Geriant says, "But you also have to take into account the playablity of the game. There wouldn't be any drakes around if we did, none of them would be old enough."

Weldoian asks, "The IC age? 'Cuz that really has no bearing in any other aspect of the game."

Jezimai asks Geriant, "did you just say that a Secian wouldn't live to see its bond become an imperial?"

Valmeer asks Geriant, "so a dragon would be nescessity(SP) have two bonds cause the first wouldnt live long enough?"

Rydareon says to Weldoian, "maybe you should walk from now on, wouldn't want you to break a hip tryin to land"

Erana says, "i've bonded 3 different time, i must be old"

Geriant says, "Technically, yes. Game-wise I doubt it'd matter."

Jezimai says to Geriant, "I did NOT know that"

Weldoian asks, "So, basically, Imperials have no Secians?"

Starlyn says, "In IC reality, how could we even have Imperials, if most Secians don't live that long and we DO stress the importance of original Bondmates."

Siara says, "They might have the children of their original bond."

Yorlan asks, "Or are bonded to someone who wasn't their original bond?"

Attkayet'a says, "that's why they can be all nasty and mean when they're really old. "

Geriant says, "No they do.. they just can't have the same bondmate their entire lives."

Syntrik says, "Maybe that's why imperials keep attacking city... mad because of no bondmates."

Rylek says, "I'm lost."

Weldoian says, "That seems to contradict, kinda, the whole emphasis placed on Bondmates."

Jezimai says to Rylek, "I'm not far behind"

Erana says to Rylek, "thats the door"

Rydareon says, "or cause it is easy pickins"

Baily pulls Rylek closer to her, "this is DGate"

Gregor says to Weldoian, "Only if the game starts allowing Imperial PCs"

Attkayet'a asks Weldoian, "how? they die. Can't help that."

Valmeer says, "Weldo he means for points of ref, not for actual PCs."

Starlyn says, "Really it all becomes moot. They're not going to perm kill us when we get too old"

Attkayet'a says, "I doubt there will ever be a player imperial, anyhow."

Starlyn asks, "And the likelyhood of PC Imperials?"

Rydareon says to Gregor, "please pray i am the first"

Kalessin says, "Someone told me that technically there COULD be PC imperials once... perhaps that ...went away."

Valmeer says, "newp"

Weldoian says, "Yes, well, I was told, a long time ago, that I could never become a title-bearing Sage."

Weldoian says, "Things change."

Siara says, "ok I have to go to bed."

Geriant says, "A dragon's lifespan is about 5000 years or so. A secian, even extended through the magick of the bond, can only expect to see about half that."

Zwitter says, "anything is possible"

Siara says, "Three hours is my limit."

Alwin says, "Mythic can't even get the test server running..."

Kirrra says to Litorth'a, "guess I'd have to die for you to stage again"

Siara asks, "Is there anything that MUST be answered?"

Valmeer says to Siara, "thanks"

Tempor asks, "Why do bad things happen to good Secians?"

Tempor says, "Never mind."

Rylek asks, "Do I get a button or a t-shirt for being here?"

Syntrik exclaims to Siara, "Luv ya! Thanks!"

Weldoian exclaims, "Just that sugar needs to be eliminated!"

Geriant says to Alwin, "Actually the test server works pretty good."

Alwin says to Siara, "thanks, sleep well"

Litorth'a says, "Colin said at the Version notes meeting way back that pcs could reach 4th. If thats changed."

Mahtina asks Siara, "If a secian was bonded on aol, does it count?"

Marinda says to Tempor, "blame it on the dragons"

Alwin asks Geriant, "oh it's up now?"

Erana says to Siara, "thank you for all the info and patience"

Valmeer says to Litorth'a, "he was wrong"

Siara says, "Maybe."

Tempor says to Marinda, "Okay, but only certain ones"

Erana says to Geriant, "and you too"

Mahtina says to Siara, "Like weldo"

Mahtina says, "To Bizzy"

Erana says, "like me"

Siara says, "Depends on how you and the dragon want to handle it."

Mahtina says, "since Bizz didn't come back"

Marinda says to Tempor, "only 3 dragons in the game"

Relawen says to Siara, "Thank you for your time, and for holding this."

Kalessin asks Siara, "Can PCs reach 4th? That's a good yes or no question."

Starlyn says to Mahtina, "We have people that choose to forget that, and those that don't."

Tempor says, "Well, that makes it easy"

Mahtina says, "Up to the player"

Marinda says to Siara, "thanks"

Kirrra says, "thank you for everything"

Litorth'a says to Kirrra, "Don't eat anything Lit gives you. He is slowly poisoning poor Kirrra."

Weldoian says to Kalessin, "Not at present."

Siara exclaims, "Good night!"

Pluck says to Siara, "thanks for your time and, er, patience"