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Message Archive of Month of November, 2004
( From Nov. 01 to 15. )
From:
singh rupesh <[email protected]>
Date: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:34
am
Subject: Hi! grp members
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HI every body
Hope you all are in great here
Hi rajnish hope you are in great guns my plans have not changed im awaiting for
the response hoping to get them in coming month time i will catch u up there...
Dear Rupa didi
You are coming to India it's good,coming to delhi is again infact very good but
how could you ignore me and didnt informed me about ice cream, its great to see
so many people coming in delhi.. i will loook forward to see them all plz inform
when you would b in delhi,
Dear Pavan sa
Many Many happiness to you on the coming of Anay, well we have one more soldier
to fight, give lots of love to dear anay .
Friends I hope all of ours Diwali went great... wish you all best of luck for
your future endeavours..
With best regards
Rupesh Chauhan
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] A Sparkling Diwali Wish from Nidhi Singh
hi
jay mata ji
happy dewali n happy new year to all of u ..
from
jay
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ]
"WISHING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY VERY HAPPY DIWALI AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR"
aur,,,,,,
Aapko Diwali me...
Chandragupt Ki Shakti
Meerabai Ki Bhakti
Rajchandra Ka Gyan
Karan Ka Daan
Einstein Ki Buddhi
Nobel Prize Ki Siddhi
Gandhi Ki Ahimsa
India Ki Parampara
Vajpayee Ki Maryada
Nizaam Ki Sampatti
Michael Jordan Ki Salary
Abdul Kalam Ki Vocabulary
Bhagat Singh Ka Deshprem
Sweetheart Ka Amarprem
Microsoft Ke Share
Rupiyo Ke Dher
Tata Ke Senses
Ambani Ke Licenses
Birla Ka Bangla
Daler Ka Bhangra
Rajnikanth Ki Style
Madhuri Ki Smile
Amitabh Ki Personality
Ratan Tata Ki Popularity
Worldtour Ka Ticket
Tendulkar Ka Wicket
Administrator Ke Passwords
Jokes Ke Forwards
Mercedez Ki Car
Diamond Ka Haar
Aur Logon Ka Dher Saraa Pyar Prapt Ho...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:53 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] what we are celebrating & why !!
Dear All,
Jai Mata Ji Ki,
I would like to share with you the history & quintessence of Deepavali ....
the festival of lights ! You might be knowing this... you maybe aware of
this....... but like so often we forget the commitments we made the last time
we went to temple ......... we do forget so many things in life. Let us
understand what we are celebrating & why ! (... if you you have the patience &
interest to read through this... )
THE STORY OF DIWALI
Diwali which leads us into Truth and Light is celebrated on a nation-wide
scale on Naraka chathurthasi day just on the dawn of Ammavaasa during the
Hindu month of Aippasi Month in Tamil Language(Aaso/Aasvayuja/Asvina Months in
Hindi langauge)(September/October) every year. It symbolises that age-old
culture of our country which teaches us to vanquish ignorance that subdues
humanity and to drive away darkness that engulfs the light of knowledge.
Diwali, the festival of lights even to-day in this modern world projects the
rich and glorious past of our country and teaches us to uphold the true values
of life.
The word "Diwali" is the corruption of the Sanskrit word "Deepavali" -- Deepa
meaning light and Avali, meaning a row. It means a row of lights and indeed
illumination forms its main attraction. Every home - lowly or mightly - the
hut of the poor or the mansion of the rich - is alit with the orange glow of
twinkling diyas-small earthen lamps - to welcome Lakshmi, Goddess of wealth
and prosperity. Multi-coloured Rangoli (the design of the background of this
page is of rangoli, also people drawn with rice flour on the grounds into
their house, rangoli)designs, floral decorations and fireworks lend
picturesness and grandeur to this festival which heralds joy, mirth and
happiness in the ensuring year.
This festival is celebrated on a grand scale in almost all the regions of
India and is looked upon mainly as the beginning of New Year. As such the
blessings of Lakshmi, the celestial consort of Lord Vishnu are invoked with
prayers. Even countries like Kenya, Thailand, Trinidad, Siam and Malaya
celebrate this festival but in their own ways.
This Diwali festival, it is surmised dates back to that period when perhaps
history was not written, and in its progress through centuries it lighted path
of thousands to attain the ultimate good and complete ecstasy.
Diwali or more aptly Deepavali is very enthusiastically celebrated for five
continuous days and each day has its significance with a number of myths,
legends and beliefs.
The First day is called DHANTERAS or DHANTRAYODASHI which falls on the
thirteenth day of the month of Kartik. The word "Dhan" means wealth. As such
this day of the five-day Diwali festival has a great importance for the rich
mercantile community of Western India. Houses and Business premises are
renovated and decorated. Entrances are made colourful with lovely traditional
motifs of Rangoli designs to welcome the Goddess of wealth and prosperity. To
indicate her long-awaited arrival, small footprints are drawn with rice flour
and vermilion powder all over the houses. Lamps are kept burning all through
the nights. Believing this day to be auspicious women purchase some gold or
silver or at least one or two new utensils. "Lakshmi-Puja" is performed in the
evenings when tiny diyas of clay are lighted to drive away the shadows of evil
spirits. "Bhajans"-devotional songs- in praise of Goddess Laxmi are sung and "Naivedya"
of traditional sweets is offered to the Goddess. There is a peculiar
custom in Maharashtra to lightly pound dry coriander seeds with jaggery and
offer as Naivedya.
In villages cattles are adorned and worshipped by farmers as they form the
main source of their income. In south cows are offered special veneration as
they are supposed to be the incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi and therefore they
are adorned and worshipped on this day.
A very interesting story about this day is of the sixteen year old son of King
Hima. As per his horoscope he was doomed to die by a snake-bite on the fourth
day of his marriage. On that particular fourth day of his marriage his young
wife did not allow him to sleep. She laid all the ornaments and lots of gold
and silver coins in a big heap at the entrance of her husband's boudoir and
lighted innumerable lamps all over the place. And she went on telling stories
and singing songs. When Yam, the god of Death arrived there in the guise of a
Serpent his eyes got blinded by that dazzle of those brilliant lights and he
could not enter the Prince's chamber. So he climbed on top of the heap of the
ornaments and coins and sat there whole night listening to the melodious
songs. In the morning he quietly went away.
Thus the young wife saved her husband from the clutches of death. Since then
this day of Dhanteras came to be known as the day of "YAMADEEPDAAN" and lamps
are kept burning throughout the night in reverential adoration to Yam, the god
of Death.
The SECOND day is called NARKA-CHATURDASHI or CHOTI DIWAL which falls on the
fourteenth day of the month of Kartik. The story goes that the demon king
Narakasur ruler of Pragjyotishpur ( a province to the South of Nepal) after
defeating Lord Indra had snatched away the magnificent earrings of Aditi, the
Mother Goddess and imprisoned sixteen thousand daughters of the gods and
saints in his harem. On the day previous to Narakachaturdashi, Lord Krishna
killed the demon and liberated the imprisoned damsels and also recovered those
precious earrings of Aditi. As a symbol of that victory Lord Krishna smeared
his forehead with the demon king's blood. Krishna returned home in the very
early morning of the Narakachaturdashi day. The womenfolk massaged scented oil
to his body and gave him a good bath to wash away the filth from his body.
Since then the custom of taking bath before sunrise on this day has become a
traditional practice specially in Maharashtra.
In South India that victory of the divine over the mundane is celebrated in a
very peculiar way. People wake up before sunrise prepare blood by mixing
Kumkum in oil and after breaking a bitter fruit that represents the head of
the demon King that was smashed by Krishna, apply that mixture on their
foreheads. Then they have an oil bath using sandalwood paste.
In Maharashtra also, traditional early baths with oil and "Uptan" (paste) of
gram flour and fragrant powders are a `must'. All through the ritual of baths,
deafening sounds of crackers and fireworks are there in order that the
children enjoy bathing. Afterwards steamed vermiceli with milk and sugar or
puffed rice with curd is served.
Another legend is about King Bali of the nether world mighty power had become
a threat to the gods. In order to curb his powers Lord Vishnu in the guise of
a Batu Waman- a small boy- visited him and begged him to give him only that
much land which he could cover with his three steps. Known for his
philanthropy King Bali proudly granted him his wish. That very moment that
small boy transformed himself into the all-powerful Lord Vishnu. With his
first step Lord Vishnu covered the entire heaven and with the second step the
earth and asked Bali where to keep his third step. Bali offered his head.
Putting his foot on his head Vishnu pushed him down to the underworld. At the
same time for his generosity Lord Vishnu gave him the lamp of knowledge and
allowed him to return to earth once a year to light millions of lamps to
dispel the darkness and ignorance and spread the radiance of love and wisdom.
This Narakachaturdashi day therefore is dedicated to lights and prayers
heralding a future full of joy and laughter.
The THIRD day of the festival of Diwali is the most important day of
LAKSHMI-PUJA which is entirely devoted to the propitiation of Goddess Lakshmi.
This day is also known by the name of "CHOPADA-PUJA". On this very day sun
enters his second course and passes Libra which is represented by the balance
or scale. Hence, this design of Libra is believed to have suggested the
balancing of account books and their closing. Despite the fact that this day
falls on an amavasya day it is regarded as the most auspicious.
The day of Lakshmi-Puja falls on the dark night of Amavasya. The strains of
joyous sounds of bells and drums float from the temples as man is invoking
Goddess Lakshmi in a wondrous holy "pouring-in" of his heart. All of a sudden
that impenetrable darkness is pierced by innumerable rays of light for just a
moment and the next moment a blaze of light descends down to earth from heaven
as golden-footed Deep-Lakshmi alights on earth in all her celestial glory
amidst chantings of Vedic hymns. A living luminance of Universal Motherhood
envelopes the entire world in that blessed moment of fulfillment of a
long-awaited dream of the mortal. A sublime light of knowledge dawns upon
humanity and devotion of man finally conquers ignorance. This self
enlightenment is expressed through the twinkling lamps that illuminate the
palaces of the wealthy as well as the lowly abodes of the poor. It is believed
that on this day Lakshmi walks through the green fields and loiters through
the bye-lanes and
showers her blessings on man for plenty and prosperity. When the sun sets in
the evening and ceremonial worship is finished all the home-made sweets are
offered to the goddess as "NAIVEDYA" and distributed as "PRASAD". Feasts are
arranged and gifts are exchanged on this day gaily dressed men, women and
children go to temples and fairs, visit friends and relatives. Everything is
gay, gold and glitter!
One of the most curious customs which characterises this festival of Diwali is
the indulgence of gambling, specially on a large scale in North India. It is
believed that goddess Parvati played dice with her husband, Lord Shiv on this
day and she decreed that whosoever gambled on Diwali night would prosper
throughout the ensuring year. This tradition of playing cards- flush and rummy
with stakes on this particular day continues even to-day.
On this auspicious day Lord Shri Krishna around whom revolved the entire story
of our great epic Mahabharat and the philosopher, who preached Karmayog
through his Geeta to Arjun on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, discarded his
body.
Bhagwan, Mahavir, the Jain prophet also attained "Nirvan" on this day.
Swami Ramtirth, the beloved "Ram Badshah" of millions of Indians was not only
born on this day and took "Sanyas" but also took "Samadhi" on this day.
Swami Dayanand Saraswati, founder of Arya Samaj in 1875 in Mumbai, with his
superb yogic powers greed his soul from his body and mingled with divinity on
this auspicious day of Diwali.
We kindle innumerable lights on this day to immortalise the sacred memories of
those great men who lived to brighten the lives of millions of their fellow
beings.
One very interesting story about this Diwali day is from Kathopanishad of a
small boy called Nichiketa who believed that Yam, the god of Death was as
black as the dark night of amavasya. But when he met Yam in person he was
puzzled seeing Yam's calm countenance and dignified stature. Yam explained to
Nichiketa on this Diwali day of amavasya that by only passing through the
darkness of death, man sees the light of highest wisdom and then only his soul
can escape from the bondage of his mortal frame to mingle with the Supreme
Power without whose will not an at ton moves in the world. And then Nichiketa
realised the importance of worldly life and significance of death. Nichiketa's
all doubts were set at rest and he whole-heartedly participated in Diwali
celebrations.
The FOURTH day is PADWA or VARSHAPRATIPADA which marks the coronation of King
Vikramaditya and Vikaram-Samvat was started from this Padwa day.
Govardhan-Puja is also performed in the North on this day. As per Vishnu-Puran
the people of Gokul used to celebrate a festival in honour of Lord Indira and
worshipped him after the end of every monsoon season but one particular year
the young Krishna stopped them from offering prayers to Lord Indra who in
terrific anger sent a deluge to submerge Gokul. But Krishna saved his Gokul by
lifting up the Govardhan mountain and holding it over the people as an
umbrella.
Govardhan is a small hillock in Braj, near Mathura and on this day of Diwali
people of Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar build cowdung, hillocks,
decorate them with flowers and then worship them.
This day is also observed as Annakoot meaning mountain of food. In temples
specially in Mathura and Nathadwara, the deities are given milkbath, dressed
in shining attires with ornaments of dazzling diamonds, pearls, rubies and
other precious stones. After the prayers and traditional worship innumerable
varieties of delicious sweets are ceremoniously raised in the form of a
mountain before the deities as "Bhog" and then the devotees approach the
Mountain of Food and take Prasad from it.
Goddess Lakshmi is worshipped in every Hindu household and her blessings
sought for success and happiness. This day is looked upon as the most
auspicious day to start any new venture. In many Hindu homes it is a custom
for the wife to put the red tilak on the forehead of her husband, garland him
and do his "Aarathi" with a prayer for his long life. In appreciation of all
the tender care that the wife showers on him, the husband gives her a costly
gift. This Gudi Padwa is symbolic of love and devotion between the wife and
husband. On this day newly-married daughters with their husbands are invited
for special meals and given presents. In olden days brothers went to fetch
their sisters from their in-laws home for this important day.
The FIFTH and final day of Diwali Festival is known by the name of "BHAYYA-DUJ"
in the Hindi-speaking belt "BHAV-BIJ" in the Marathi-speaking communities and
in Nepal by the name of "BHAI-TIKA". As the legend goes Yamraj, the God of
Death visited his sister Yami on this particular day. She put the auspicious
tilak on his forehead, garlanded him and led him with special dishes and both
of them together ate the sweets, talked and enjoyed themselves to their
heart's content, while parting Yamraj gave her a special gift as a token of
his love and in return Yami also gave him a lovely gift which she had made
with her own hands. That day Yamraj announced that anyone who receives tilak
from his sister will never be thrown. That is why this day of Bhayyaduj is
also known by the name of "YAMA-DWITIYA" Since then this day is being observed
as a symbol of love between sisters and brothers. It became also imperative
for the brother to go to his sister's house to celebrate Bhayyaduj.
In today's world when pressing everyday problems are teaming as under all the
tender words of personal relationships, the celebrating of this day has its
own importance in continuing to maintain the love between brothers and sisters
for it is the day of food-sharing, gift-giving and reaching out to the inner
most depths of the hearts.
Diwali on the whole has always been the festival with more social than
religious connotations. It is a personal, people-oriented festival when
enmities are forgotten, families and friends meet, enjoy and establish a word
of closeness.
As a festival of light and beauty it encourages artistic expressions through
home-decorations stage-plays, elocution competitions singing and dancing
programmes, making gift items and making delectable sweets thereby discovering
new talents of younger people. As a result innumerable communities with
varying cultures and customs mingle together to make Diwali celebrations a
very happy occasion for all.
Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore has so aptly put forth the true significance of
Diwali in these beautiful lines:"The night is black.... kindle the lamp of
LOVE With thy life and devotion".
Best Wishes,
Jaideep Singh Bhati
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Dear PavanSa,
Congrats and Dher sara pyara to baby boy.
With Regards
Jaideep Singh Bhati
Pavan Rrathore <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Bharatsa, Sujan !!
Dear All,
I am happy to share that we are blessed with a baby
boy 'Anay Singh Rathore' on 5'th November.
Thanks everyone in advance for wishes and we wish you
a very happy and prosperous Diwali to all of you !!
Regards
Pavan Rathore
--- SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
> Pavan Bhaisahab Ghar mein Chote Kunwarsa ke aagman
> par Hardik
> Badhai !!!
>
> Sujan Shekhawat
>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Dear All (Bharatsa, Sujan, Sanjeevsa, Amit babu,
Mahendrasa Rana, Mahendrasa Rathore, D.K. Singh Ji,
Rupa Ji, Gyanendrasa, Ishwarsa) ..... and everyone ...
Thanks a lot for all the wishes and blessings !!
Regards
Pavan Rathore
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Pavan Ji,
Badhayee ho ..Badhayee Ho or chhote Rathore Sabhab
ko bhahut sara payra.
Chalo dec main ek party confirm ho gayee..
Gyanendra SIngh Rana
Aap dono ko hardik badhaiyan aur priya "Anay" ko dher
sara pyar. Ishwar Anay ke madhyam se "Yash, Samridhi,
Samman aur Sukh" pradan kare eisi hum sabki kamna hai.
--- deekay singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pavan Ji,
> Aap dono ko hardik badhaiyan aur priya "Anay" ko
> dher sara pyar. Ishwar Anay ke madhyam se "Yash,
> Samridhi, Samman aur Sukh" pradan kare eisi hum
> sabki kamna hai.
>
> Dinesh, Geeta, Vaishalee aur Vaibhav
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am happy to share that we are blessed with a baby
> boy 'Anay Singh Rathore' on 5'th November.
>
> Thanks everyone in advance for wishes and we wish
> you
> a very happy and prosperous Diwali to all of you !!
>
> Regards
> Pavan Rathore
>
>
>
>
> --- SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Pavan Bhaisahab Ghar mein Chote Kunwarsa ke aagman
> > par Hardik
> > Badhai !!!
> >
> > Sujan Shekhawat
> >
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] jai mata ji ke
Happy New year to all Rajput Brothers and Sisters on this site
From >>>>>Amarsinh Chavda (Varsoda)
Jaydeepsinh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Jay mataji JAswant singh
WElcome 2 Group........
aur appki wish mataji jaldi ki puri karenge............:))
and we have proud tht U r student of gr8..inst.IIT......becoz most of all r
much backword in the education where as appane to bahot kuch Sar kar liya hai
chhoti si umar me...
GOd make's ur path full with flower's and brings U 2 the so high position
..........:) so wo hamare aur hamari comm.ni ke fayade me hongi;)
with warm regards,
Jaydeepsinh(GUJ)(MCA----->>>Master Of Cool Activities)
Jaswant Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
jai mataji ke,
it is gr8 to be a member of this group.
to know the different people of my cast living in different parts of the world
is a great feeling.
i wish that our community do well in all the fields and we regain our
old pride.
wishing all of u best of luck
with regards
Jaswant Singh Nathawat
M.Tech 1st year
IIT Kharagpur
India
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Re: jai mata ji ke.... Welcome Jaswant Sa
Welcome Jaswant singh ji ...
good to have you in the group but one thing in ur message is bothering me ? u
have mentioned "we regain our old pride.".....have we lost it don think so
....our samaj is still influential and every individual from rajput clan is
admired and respected ...however this is my personal observation may be i
still young to conclude these these things out ....
Bhupendra Singh Raghaw
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Jaswantsa Jai Mata ji ki and welcome to the group. I hope the
group grows and and excels with your inclusion. Welcome again !!!
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In [email protected], Jaswant Singh <just_jassi2k@y...>
wrote:
> jai mataji ke,
> it is gr8 to be a member of this group.
> to know the different people of my cast living in different parts
of the world is a great feeling.
> i wish that our community do well in all the fields and we
regain our old pride.
>
> wishing all of u best of luck
>
> with regards
> Jaswant Singh Nathawat
> M.Tech 1st year
> IIT Kharagpur
> India
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re: jai mata ji ke.... Welcome Jaswant Sa
Dear Jaswantsa Jai Mata ji ki and welcome to the group. I hope the
group grows and and excels with your inclusion. Welcome again !!!
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In
[email protected], Jaswant Singh <just_jassi2k@y...>
wrote:
> jai mataji ke,
> it is gr8 to be a member of this group.
> to know the different people of my cast living in different parts
of the world is a great feeling.
> i wish that our community do well in all the fields and we
regain our old pride.
>
> wishing all of u best of luck
>
> with regards
> Jaswant Singh Nathawat
> M.Tech 1st year
> IIT Kharagpur
> India
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] jai mata ji ke / jaideep, pawanji, rupaji
hehehe My dear Amitwa
Are bhaiya ka kahat ho...hum to aub hu london me bethath rahi..bus thodise der
mai hiya se niklne wale hain hum...aur kal subah mai pahuchenge bumbai mai.....
ek jok yaad ayee gawa tohar batyeeya se...
3 ladies were talking..
no 1 ye india or pakistan ki ladai mai pata nahi kya hoga?...
no 2 wo to jo hona hai hoga lekin india or pakistan ke bichme Bharat ko padne
ki kya zaroorat thi...
no 3 haye haye lekin aub ye hindustaan bichme na pade to acchha!!..
:-))
Regards
Rupwa
Amit Rajput <[email protected]> wrote:
happy diwali to all.
master of cool activites !! :)) dear jaideep...u r sooo funny !!
dear pawanji. congrats ! :)
dear rupaji ap bombay pohoch gayi kya?
ps- waha se hindustan kaise najar ata hai? :D
--- In [email protected], Jaydeepsinh <jayu_cute@y...>
wrote:
> Jay mataji JAswant singh
> WElcome 2 Group........
>
> aur appki wish mataji jaldi ki puri karenge............:))
> and we have proud tht U r student of gr8..inst.IIT......becoz most
of all r much backword in the education where as appane to bahot kuch
Sar kar liya hai chhoti si umar me...
> GOd make's ur path full with flower's and brings U 2 the so high
position ..........:) so wo hamare aur hamari comm.ni ke fayade me
hongi;)
>
> with warm regards,
> Jaydeepsinh(GUJ)(MCA----->>>Master Of Cool Activities)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re: Congrats Pavansa!!!
Congrats Pavansa !!!!!
We hope for mithai too. E-mithai bhi chalegi lekin Pure desi Ghee
wali.
Happy New year to all my dearer E-family members
Mahendra
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] jai mata ji ke / jaideep, pawanji, rupaji
happy diwali to all.
master of cool activites !! :)) dear jaideep...u r sooo funny !!
dear pawanji. congrats ! :)
dear rupaji ap bombay pohoch gayi kya?
ps- waha se hindustan kaise najar ata hai? :D
--- In
[email protected], Jaydeepsinh <jayu_cute@y...>
wrote:
> Jay mataji JAswant singh
> WElcome 2 Group........
>
> aur appki wish mataji jaldi ki puri karenge............:))
> and we have proud tht U r student of gr8..inst.IIT......becoz most
of all r much backword in the education where as appane to bahot kuch
Sar kar liya hai chhoti si umar me...
> GOd make's ur path full with flower's and brings U 2 the so high
position ..........:) so wo hamare aur hamari comm.ni ke fayade me
hongi;)
>
> with warm regards,
> Jaydeepsinh(GUJ)(MCA----->>>Master Of Cool Activities)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] jai mata ji ke
Jay mataji JAswant singh
WElcome 2 Group........
aur appki wish mataji jaldi ki puri karenge............:))
and we have proud tht U r student of gr8..inst.IIT......becoz most of all r
much backword in the education where as appane to bahot kuch Sar kar liya hai
chhoti si umar me...
GOd make's ur path full with flower's and brings U 2 the so high position
..........:) so wo hamare aur hamari comm.ni ke fayade me hongi;)
with warm regards,
Jaydeepsinh(GUJ)(MCA----->>>Master Of Cool Activities)
Jaswant Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
jai mataji ke,
it is gr8 to be a member of this group.
to know the different people of my cast living in different parts of the world
is a great feeling.
i wish that our community do well in all the fields and we regain our
old pride.
wishing all of u best of luck
with regards
Jaswant Singh Nathawat
M.Tech 1st year
IIT Kharagpur
India
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] jai mata ji ke
jai mataji ke,
it is gr8 to be a member of this group.
to know the different people of my cast living in different parts of the world
is a great feeling.
i wish that our community do well in all the fields and we regain our
old pride.
wishing all of u best of luck
with regards
Jaswant Singh Nathawat
M.Tech 1st year
IIT Kharagpur
India
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:22 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Pavan Ji,
Aap dono ko hardik badhaiyan aur priya "Anay" ko dher sara pyar. Ishwar Anay
ke madhyam se "Yash, Samridhi, Samman aur Sukh" pradan kare eisi hum sabki
kamna hai.
Dinesh, Geeta, Vaishalee aur Vaibhav
Dear All,
I am happy to share that we are blessed with a baby
boy 'Anay Singh Rathore' on 5'th November.
Thanks everyone in advance for wishes and we wish you
a very happy and prosperous Diwali to all of you !!
Regards
Pavan Rathore
--- SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Pavan Bhaisahab Ghar mein Chote Kunwarsa ke aagman
> par Hardik
> Badhai !!!
>
> Sujan Shekhawat
>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Thanks Bharatsa, Sujan !!
Dear All,
I am happy to share that we are blessed with a baby
boy 'Anay Singh Rathore' on 5'th November.
Thanks everyone in advance for wishes and we wish you
a very happy and prosperous Diwali to all of you !!
Regards
Pavan Rathore
--- SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
> Pavan Bhaisahab Ghar mein Chote Kunwarsa ke aagman
> par Hardik
> Badhai !!!
>
> Sujan Shekhawat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:52 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
Pavan Bhaisahab Ghar mein Chote Kunwarsa ke aagman par Hardik
Badhai !!!
Sujan Shekhawat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:48 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Congrats Pavansa!!!
I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate
Pavansa as he is blessed with a baby boy.
Bharat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:33 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] wish u all a Subha Dipawali ane Salmubarak
hi all friends,
WISH U ALL a very very SUBHA Dipawali ane Salmubarak,
Happy Diwali
May you get in the new year...
Krishna Ki Ukti
Hanuman Ki Shakti
Meerabai Ki Bhakti
Ramchandra Ka Gyan
Karan Ka Daan
Einstein Ki Buddhi
Nobel Prize Ki Siddhi
India Ki Parampara
Ramji Ki Maryada
Nizaam Ki Sampada
Michael Jordan Ki Salary
Abdul Kalam Ki Vocabulary
Bhagat Singh Ka Deshprem
Sweetheart Ka Amarprem
Microsoft Ke Share
Dhan Ke Dher
Worldtour Ka Ticket
Administrator Ke Passwords
Mercedez Ki Car
Diamond Ka Haar
Aur...Logon Ka...
Dher Saraa Pyar
Prapt Ho!
Wish you a Happy Diwali and a Prosperous New Year !!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] DIWALI GREETINGS
THANK YOU
ANDDDDDDD SAMEEEEE TO YOUUUU
NICKY
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Happy Deepawali n Saalmubarak
Jay Mataji to all,
I wish all of you and your family members a very happy deepawali n saalmubark
...n wish that all da Rajput's of da world may unite soon forever...........n
bring the glories of Rajput clan back.............soon!!
Regards n best wishes for a bight n happy new year! :-))
Rupaba Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Anonymous caller
Hi there,
Thanks for the lovely voice mail ......and aisa kuch nahin hai ki
aapki aawaz kharab lagi ...it was just that ...my battery (actually
phone's) went for a toss as soon as i picked up the phone and i cun
get back to u cos ...the id was withheld..neways ...thanks for the
lovely message and HAPPY DEEPAWALI once again to all of u out
there ...
Regards...
Bhupendra Singh Raghaw
00447834286447
> Sabhi ko sadar Pranam...
>
> Aap sabhi ko deppawali hi haardik shubhkaamnayen ...main to ghar se
bahut door hoon .....lekin aasha hai aap sabhi ka aashirwaad 'antar
taane ' ke dwaara prapt hoga.
>
> aaasha karta hoon hoon ki aap sabhi ki deepawali dhoom dhaam se
beete ...aur aapko sabhi kuch prapt ko jiski aap kaamna karte hain...
>
> aapka
>
> Bhupendra Singh Raghaw
>
> 00447834286447
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] A Sparkling Diwali Wish from Nidhi Singh
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Wish you very Happy Diwali
Jay Mataji,
Wish u all Happy Diwali & HAPPY NEW YEAR too in advance as myself at vacation
holidays.
"M. B. Chudasama" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Wish You all our members very Happy Diwali.
Yahoo Group of Rajput world
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rajputworld/
From :
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai, U.A.E.**Ajay Kumar Singh P,Sanford,Florida,
U.S.A.**Alok Chauhan,Stony Brook, New York, U.S.A.**Mrs. Rupaba Jadeja,
London, U.K.**Miss Arti Gohil, Bhavnagar,Gujarat,India**Ajit Rathod, Sydney,
Australia**IswarSinghji Shekhawat, Ahmedabad, India**Pavan Rathore, Fremont,
CA, U.S.A**Dinesh K. Singhji Naruka (45/M) USA **Gyanendra singh rana (26/M)
seoul**Dr. Jaivir Rathore, Jodhpur**Mahendra Rana, Rajkot**Bharatsa**Sujansa**Sanjeev**Rajender**Sanjay**Rupesh
Pankaj**Mangalji**Jaideepji**Meenaxi**Vandana
and many More..........
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:53 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Diwali Greetings
Hi
May This Diwali Remove The Signs Of Sorrow, Hatred, Dippression And Bring
Piece, Confidence, Courage And Happiness In Your Life.
Regards
Rajaputra Kiran Kumar
Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] DIWALI GREETINGS
WISHING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
A VERY
HAPPY DIWALI
AND A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR
SANJAY / NANDINI / SHIVAM
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Greetings
Dear All
Sabhi ko Deepawali ki hardik Subhkamnaye .
May this dipawali bring peace,joy & happines.
Wishing you a very Happy and prosperous Dipawali
Gyanendra Singh Rana.
--- Anoop mertiya <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Dear all,
> Jaimata ji
> This dipawali lets light the lamp of life,to spread
> happiness and peace around.
> May this dipawali bring peace,joy & happines.
> Wishing you a very Happy and prosperous Dipawali &
> New Year.
> with Regards
> Anoop S Rathore
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Wish you very Happy Diwali
Jay Mataji
Dear All,
Wishing you a very
HAPPY DIWALI AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR
MAY THIS FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS SPREADS ITS BRIGHTNESS INTO THE
WAYS OF YOUR SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS......MAY YOUR DAYS AHEAD BE FILLED WITH
HAPPINESS & SUCCESS.
WISHING YOUR DIWALI TO BE AS BRIGHT AS EVER.
HAVE A WONDERFUL DIWALI...!!!
With Warm Regards
N. P. Gohil,Dubai
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Diwali Greetings
I am Dilipsinh M. Chauhan from Bharuch (Gujarat), working in
Gujarat Narmada Valley Fertilizers Co.Ltd.
Ye Diwali laye aap sab ke liye
bahut se Crackers,
Masti aur Khushi
"We pray almighty that all your worries, tensions and
problems burn away with crackers fire and may the flames then
spread a warm glow of Happiness"
Wish you a happy Diwali
and
prosperous Newyear
With Best Regards,
Dilipsinh. M. Chauhan
& Family
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Wish you very Happy Diwali
Wish You all our members
very Happy Diwali.
From :
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai,
U.A.E.**Ajay Kumar Singh P,Sanford,Florida, U.S.A.**Alok Chauhan,Stony
Brook, New York, U.S.A.**Ms. Rupaba Jadeja, London, U.K.**Miss Arti Gohil,
Bhavnagar,Gujarat,India**Ajit Rathod, Sydney, Australia**IswarSinghji
Shekhawat, Ahmedabad, India**Pavan Rathore, Fremont, CA, U.S.A**Dinesh K.
Singhji Naruka (45/M) USA **Gyanendra singh rana (26/M) seoul**Dr. Jaivir
Rathore, Jodhpur**Mahendra Rana, Rajkot**Bharatsa**Sujansa**Sanjeev**Rajender**Sanjay**Rupesh
Pankaj**Mangalji**Jaideepji**Meenaxi**Vandana
and many More..........
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Greetings
Dear all,
Jaimata ji
This dipawali lets light the lamp of life,to spread happiness and peace
around.
May this dipawali bring peace,joy & happines.
Wishing you a very Happy and prosperous Dipawali & New Year.
with Regards
Anoop S Rathore
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:32 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Happy Diwali and Happy New Years
Happy Deepawali and Happy New year... wish you
all best of luck new year....
haardik Shubh kammaon ke Saath
4m
hitpalsinh rathod
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:17 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Shubh Kamnayen
Sabhi ko Jai Mata ki
Prakash Parv Deepawali aap sabhi Rajpoot Sadasyno ke Jeewan me dher saree
khushiya Samahit kare,.
Haardik Shubh kamnaon ke saath,
Mangleshwar Singh
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Wishes...
Sabhi ko sadar Pranam...
Aap sabhi ko deppawali hi haardik shubhkaamnayen ...main to ghar se bahut door
hoon .....lekin aasha hai aap sabhi ka aashirwaad 'antar taane ' ke dwaara
prapt hoga.
aaasha karta hoon hoon ki aap sabhi ki deepawali dhoom dhaam se beete ...aur
aapko sabhi kuch prapt ko jiski aap kaamna karte hain...
aapka
Bhupendra Singh Raghaw
00447834286447
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] A very happy Diwali
Dear All Rajput Member,
Wishing you all a very happy anf
prosperous Diwali. May this festival of Lights brings to you and your family
the happiness, prosperity and good health . May all great things happen to
every one in the year to come.
With all best wishes.
Regards,
Prashant Singh
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Happy Deepawali
HI DEARs
DEEWALI MUBARAK !
May this festival of LIGHT bring all Joys & Cheers in your Life
May this day enlightens yours days, night & bring all the happiness
that ever remains in your LIFE throughout.
HAPPY DIWALI !
Yours
Bhagwan Singh Shekhawat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of In
H'Dipawali!
Welcome Rupeesh…At least there is no Rajput- Drain in this gup as u r
back.
Gud analogy abt Brain-Drain It is also an old GD topic for Job /MBA so
alots of views.
Bhai,Ye Khopadi (Skull) Jab Abroad Chali Jati Hia to `Brain' ho Jati
Hai (For Government / Sarkari Babus/Med) aur Jab India main Rahti Hia
to `Brain-Drain' Ho Jati hia (when u go 4 Job interview in PSUs becoz
u there are Bhagis (22 and 7.5%)). Just simple
Thanks 4 re-joining the R'family
urs
rajnish
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Jai Mata Ji KI
Sorry for late reply .
i was very busy after coming here .
now i am delhi ..
i am ok with this venue...
App sabhi ko dewali ki hardik subhkamnaye ..
Gyanendra S. Rana.
--- Mr mangleshwar singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Respected Rupa ji, "kekee aur pooch-pooch".
> Regards,Thanks & Jai Mata ki
> Mangleshwar Singh
>
> Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Dear Mangleshwarji
>
> We meaning whoever is coming to this meet trust you
> four delhiyatees completely!! We know that you will
> only choose da best, da quick, da funny, da superb
> and da .....aree i got lost yaar!!
>
> Chalo what it means is that NO need to worry since
> you have taken the responsibility of helping us we
> will equally be happy to co-operate too!!
>
> Do I make any sense to everyone in da Dehli meet
> group??
>
> Arre haan bolna mujeh warna Icecream khani hai ki
> nahi??!! :-))
>
> Regards
> Rupaba
>
> Mr mangleshwar singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
> We all have discussed (me Tarun ji,Vandana ji &
> Minaxi ji) and final this we have got Sujan Bhai
> saheb's and Rupa ji's view but about all other
> members who will a part of "Rajpoot Milan" like
> Ajitsa,Gyanenderaji,Bharatsa, Mahendersa and all.
> Regards, Thanks & Jai Mata ki
> Mangleshwar Singh
>
>
>
> SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT wrote:
>
> Great Idea !!!!!! Rajghat and Nirula it is then.....
>
> Sujan Shekhawat
> --- In
[email protected], Minaxi
> Sarangdevot
> wrote:
> > Hi Vandana!
> >
> > I also agree with the venue.
> > I hope everyone is ok with it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Minaxi
> >
> >
> > singh vandana wrote:
> > Hello to all......
> > Well let us all meet at rajghat have an
> intoductory session and
> then we can move to nirulas to fill our stomach and
> then we can
> deisde fora movie or so......
> > what do all others suggest as to go to a highway
> dhaba will be to
> far from rajghat.........
> > do let me know your view
> > regards
> > vandana
> >
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] to D. K. Ji...
Rupa Ji,
Ab bhaiyya jo galti karega maafi to use hi na maagni padegi. chahe koi usase
maafi maange aur chahe na maange. Ab ee aap ka samman haue ki aap mafi nahi
maang rahi han. Aur janha pyar ki umeed ho to unha pyar ta milbai karega na
aur pyar bhi bina maange milega. kahe ki jitna bachcha log achcha kaam karenge
utna hi pyar haman ke de ee ke padi.
PS: All my strong posting regarding brain drain has a point. And that point is
" to make rajput samaj progressive and prosperous". With all my experiences in
India and US, I have come to a conclusion that the only way we can be
prosperous without resorting to corruption and corrupt practices is to work
hard and smart, and show your talent and earn good money. Get good education
in all aspect of life. Get educated in science, medicine or engineering.
Rajputs can do this in a better way in US or UK or other developed
countries.This brain drain crap comes in their way of acheiving that. Rajputs,
being patriotic to the core, are easily swayed by such themes and will be
unable to utilized tremendous opportunities in these countries where as other
samaj will avail them and prosper. I myself had decided to go back to India
out of the same feeling of patriotism and had to return to US after wasting
three years and lot of enthusiasm in India. Hence I will not advise any of my
brothers to
wast opportunities in the name of this crap. Its not that I am less patriotic
but I am definitely more realistic than I was 8-9 years ago.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear sir
Are humne aapse maffi thodina maangi thi? Aap to bade ho, dayalu aur gyaani
bhi ho.....bado se maafi ki nahi pyar ki aasha/ummidd rakhi jatee hai.....
So no need to apologies sir!! I only asked da question coz then was not sure
of the acronym that' s all but, now it makes perfect sense!!
(kya kare ooper ke maale me london ka panni jo bhar gaya hai!! hehehehe)
Anyways sir, I just wanted to let you know that I really do appreciate your
understanding and encouragement of this Delhi get together (dgt!!) coz
although it may sound all fun and games, some of us have already started
thinking/talking/discussing about how can our activities benefit our samaj a
lil bit better!!
As you know I only believe in bit by bit theory rather then making a BIG
announcement and delivering very LITTLE!
So fun n games it is then for us then so be it!!
:-))
Saader Pranaam
Tohar Rupwa
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] to D. K. Ji...
Dear sir
Are humne aapse maffi thodina maangi thi? Aap to bade ho, dayalu aur gyaani
bhi ho.....bado se maafi ki nahi pyar ki aasha/ummidd rakhi jatee hai.....
So no need to apologies sir!! I only asked da question coz then was not sure
of the acronym that' s all but, now it makes perfect sense!!
(kya kare ooper ke maale me london ka panni jo bhar gaya hai!! hehehehe)
Anyways sir, I just wanted to let you know that I really do appreciate your
understanding and encouragement of this Delhi get together (dgt!!) coz
although it may sound all fun and games, some of us have already started
thinking/talking/discussing about how can our activities benefit our samaj a
lil bit better!!
As you know I only believe in bit by bit theory rather then making a BIG
announcement and delivering very LITTLE!
So fun n games it is then for us then so be it!!
:-))
Saader Pranaam
Tohar Rupwa
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Rupa Ji,
I meant delhi get together and instead of "g" some how typed "d". I am sorry
about that. Coming back to brain drain, I will still prefer to discuss delhi
get together because it is one activity which is going to foster brotherhood
and closeness among rajputs and a portion of samaj will benefit from this
activity in one or otherway and i strongly support and endorse this get
together.
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
So we have come to full circle again with this brain drain crap. It was a very
fancy word in 70s with lot of fuss written about this. Then periodically it
will be discussed in every decades and now in 2004. People, come on it is
better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap. Because, in india no brain is
brain unless it is drained (accepted in US or UK etc.) and then all the hoopla
of brain drain. This has become people's past time and a dustbin to take
sheltar for all their failures. Otherwise who in God's India care about any
brain by the way. You are rejected, denied, ridiculed, treated like dirty
linen and finally discarded by the naukarshahs and political bosses. Even
scientific managers will not respect a Ph. D. more than their chaprasis in
govt. sectors. But once you get out, these very idiots will make you brain.
Take it from me, India has never respected its brain and will never be able to
stop this drain. Remember my words twenty years after and when we will still
be
discussing this crap. In india a thanedar is more respected in society than
Ph.Ds and professors. Such society will never be able to retain these brains.
Sorry for pessimistic outlook but this is hundred percent truth.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
Bharat Naruka <[email protected]> wrote:
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
>
> --- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
> <bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> > Rupaba,
> >
> > I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain
> is
> > a problem at the first place. I would rather
> defend
> > this concept as I belive that it is the
> appropriate
> > use of the brain. I have following points to make.
> I
> > would try to cover all the points you have put.
> >
> > 1). The BPO term is currently used for call
> centers
> > and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining
> call
> > centers. If they are joining, that is because they
> do
> > not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> > suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to
> stay
> > back and struggle to live when then can bring
> > prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
> >
> > 2).India has superflous engineers in its core
> sector.
> > All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any
> such
> > scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> > absolutely zero work done on research and
> development
> > in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home
> and
> > work in manufacuring industry where he has to
> apply
> > minimal brain power to get the things going. As
> far as
> > I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> > brain is being judiciously utilized. If India
> doesnt
> > have capability to use this brain, the brains
> should
> > go out and help India externally.
> >
> > 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> > found that Indian alumni has made an organization
> for
> > develpment of India. The point I am trying to make
> is,
> > that the brains who go out can still work for the
> > betterment of the country in a more effective way
> than
> > they can while staying in country. If they try to
> work
> > in india, they do not get enough funds, they do
> not
> > get required guidance and moral boosting and they
> do
> > not get firm platform for their research.
> >
> > 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year.
> And
> > the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to
> India
> > by these engineers. I am more than confident that
> it
> > would be more than that loss (UNDP report also
> says
> > that the traffic is not one way).
> >
> > 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might
> be
> > incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> > out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> > India in less than a year. This brings prosparity
> in
> > the country and leads to improved living
> conditions.
> >
> > 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> > countries reputation. India is no more considered
> as
> > land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is
> now
> > considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> > hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> > Americans. Some simpley admire and some are
> concerned
> > about losing their jobs. But they realize that
> that
> > have been outsmarted in their own game.
> >
> > 7). So many brains who went out side invested in
> India
> > and provided lot of employment opportunities in
> India.
> > Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> > company), which employs about 5000 people in india
> is
> > such example.
> >
> > 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> > fortune. They have started to think more about
> their
> > motherland and infuencing thousand of those back
> home.
> > The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> > changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> > find it more of a boon than a curse.
> >
> > Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> > points I have made above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bharat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Group
> > >
> > > Jay Mataji to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you ever imagine a country without
> engineers,
> > > scientists, doctors and other professionals?
> That is
> > > exactly what is happening in India.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain
> drain in
> > > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from
> the
> > > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call
> centre
> > > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers
> from
> > > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical
> engineering
> > > leave their field after graduation and work for
> BPO
> > > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not
> brain
> > > drain then what is?
> > >
> > > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage
> of
>
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re:"Brain Drain Of India"
Dear Rupesh,
Welcome back in the group. It was nice to read your view point on brain drain.
You have asked solution to this problem. In my opinion, the very solution lies
in nurturing brains in India itself and stop worrying about the brains that
left India. If you take the example of Germany and US that you had mentioned
in your letter, US benefitted immensely from the immigrating scientists, no
doubt about that, but if you look closely, Germany never became bankrupt of
scientists. They relied on what was left in the country and rebuild a war
ravaged and plummetted country into self reliant highly developed nation who's
technology is still respected all over the globe. German technology and
knowledge is not inferior to any country including US, not an inch of it.
Infact they produce some of the finest cars and machines on planet earth, and
Germany never cried of brain drain unlike India. That is the key difference,
in my opinion, between India and other countries like Germany and Japan. The
se
countries rose like phoenix and regained their technological competence
inspite of being completely destroyed in two world wars and inspite of being
brain drained. They achieved such competence inspite of massive brain drain
from these countries to US, and they could do it because they knew the
importance of nurturing the brains available in the country and not crying and
taking sheltor that some of the best brains have left. And thats why they can
not progress. Taking such an stance is defitist in itself and all these
countries knew it.
Sorry about spelling mistakes if you found any as I am in little hurry.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
singh rupesh <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Members
Its great to see so many views on "Brain Drain OF India". I had read all the
points and do believe in many.. so what can be the solution to the problem
existing. Any solutions..
There is a huge only one letter difference in between Brain and Drain(i.e. B
and D) but it means a lot I have a simple observation from the history..
During First World War and Second World War( a very important phase in world
history) there was lot of transition which was happening in the world
demographic scenario then germany was a very important destination for all the
scientific and research activities.. germany had many famous scientist in many
fields mostly jews .. but due to changing atmosphere in germany almost all
left germany and went to US, where in US they were welcomed with all respect
and joy these young and old people who came in US from many quarters of europe
in search of security, later build US to a great country(this very phase made
US into a leading country)..
Now this is the best example of brain drain--- US welcomed all of them,
supported and encouraged them I feel the responsibility with which the
government and society played is very important they nurished them and so in
return gained from them now most of them are in the main stream line .The US
govt and US society had adapted and thats the reason for there success.
STILL it's happening if i pinpoint in a particular country(US) and now the
shift is all across from the globe.
Brain is an important criteria which makes and diffrentiate an individual, a
society, and at large a country.
What is serious issue is that we should never forget our roots and should
always try to put our mother land first its true that country is supporting
you in all aspects but u owe more to our motherland than anything else,and
can never come out from this. when this forgetfullness ingulfs you, the cost
is that you neglect ur mother land and its betterment by being selfish and
opportunist.
With best regards
Rupesh Chauhan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Warm Greetings!
Dear All Rajputworld Members,
We wish you & your family Very Happy Deevali & Prosperous Newyear.
Jayshri Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Dear Members
Its great to see so many views on "Brain Drain OF India". I had read all the
points and do believe in many.. so what can be the solution to the problem
existing. Any solutions..
There is a huge only one letter difference in between Brain and Drain(i.e. B
and D) but it means a lot I have a simple observation from the history..
During First World War and Second World War( a very important phase in world
history) there was lot of transition which was happening in the world
demographic scenario then germany was a very important destination for all the
scientific and research activities.. germany had many famous scientist in many
fields mostly jews .. but due to changing atmosphere in germany almost all
left germany and went to US, where in US they were welcomed with all respect
and joy these young and old people who came in US from many quarters of europe
in search of security, later build US to a great country(this very phase made
US into a leading country)..
Now this is the best example of brain drain--- US welcomed all of them,
supported and encouraged them I feel the responsibility with which the
government and society played is very important they nurished them and so in
return gained from them now most of them are in the main stream line .The US
govt and US society had adapted and thats the reason for there success.
STILL it's happening if i pinpoint in a particular country(US) and now the
shift is all across from the globe.
Brain is an important criteria which makes and diffrentiate an individual, a
society, and at large a country.
What is serious issue is that we should never forget our roots and should
always try to put our mother land first its true that country is supporting
you in all aspects but u owe more to our motherland than anything else,and
can never come out from this. when this forgetfullness ingulfs you, the cost
is that you neglect ur mother land and its betterment by being selfish and
opportunist.
With best regards
Rupesh Chauhan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Happy Deepawali
We wish all the members " A very happy and prosperous Deepawali"
Dinesh Singh Naruka
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Final Welcome back to Rupeshji!!
Dear Rupaba
Thank you a lot for the encouragement, Definetely my sole purpose of joining
the group is if I can some what put any contribution to our great society.
I would like to extend my support to the people of group in whatever manner, i
feel its very important for us to stand UNITED and support each other in best
possible manner .
Thanks again for your warm words
I would certainly try to match up your expectations, whatever is expected
from my side .
Sorry for the delay in message I was little held up!!!
With best and warm regards
Rupesh Chauhan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Hi everybody
Dear Members
Jai Bhawani
Warm Greetings !!!
Wish you all a very HAPPY DIWALI and a VERY PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR , many
greetings to you all on this auspicious occasion.
Im relaxing a little bit... so lets have some fun i'v recieved a series of
jokes from one of my client so im forwarding to you all must read and enjoy
Srdr: I hav'nt slept all nite in the train. Frnd: Y?
Srdr: Got upper berth.
Frnd: Y did'nt u Xchnged?
Srdr: oye, there was nobody 2 Xchng in the lower berth..
--------------------------------------------------------
Sardr tells a girl "Come 2 my house at nite, nobody will b there.............
Girl goes at night & realy nobody was there
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Teacher: "I killed a person" convert this sentence into future tense.
Sardr: The future tense is "u will go to jail".
\
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Srdr gets ready ,wears tie, coat ,goes out, climbs tree, sits on
the branch regularly. A man asks why he does this.
Srdr:"I've been promoted as branch manager."
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One sardrji professor asked a plumber to come to his college.
U knw Why?
Because he wanted to check where the question paper is leaking...
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Sardr told his servant: Go and water the plants. Servant: It"s already
raining.
Sardr: So what take an umbrella and go.
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Sardr found the answer to the most difficult question ever -
What will come first, Chicken or egg?
O Yaar, what ever u order first will come first.
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Sardar wins 20 cr from Rs. 20 lottery ticket. Dealer gave 11 cr after
deducting tax.
Angry Sardr: "Give me 20 cr or else return my 20 Rs back.!
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Postman:- I Have To Come 5 Miles To Deliver U This Packet
Sardr:- why did u come so far. Instead u could have posted
it....
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Sardr proposed a Girl......Girl said 'I'm 1yr elder to you'...........Sardar
said 'Oye No Problem Soniye,I'll marry you NEXT YEAR.
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A Srdar & his wife filed an application 4 Divorce. Judge asked:
How'll U divide, U"VE 3 children? Sardar replied: Ok! We"ll apply NEXT
YEAR
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Sardr's wish :when i die,i wana die lik my grandpa who died peacefuly in his
sleep not screamin like all d passengers in d car he was driving..
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Sardr at an Art Gallery: I suppose this horrible looking thing is
what you call modern art ?
Art dealer: I beg your pardon sir, thats a mirror!
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Sardr was writing something very slowly.
Friend asked:" Why r u writing so slowly?
Sardr: "I'm writing 2 my 6 yr old son, he can't read very fast.
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A man asked sardarji, why Manmohan singh goes walking at evening
not in the morning.
Sardarji replied ''Arey bhai Manmohan is PM not AM''.
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Sardar visits Chinese friend dying in hospital.
Man says CHIN YU YAN n dies.
Srdr goes2 china 2 find meaning of friends last words.
It is 'U R STANDNG ON D OXGN TUBE!"
WITH SPECIAL REGARDS
Rupesh Chauhan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:55 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] happy diwali
WISHING ALL OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES A VERY HAPPY DIWALI AND AN
EXTREMELY
PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.
BEST WISHES FROM:
MITULSINH MAHENDRASINHJI DEVISINHJI JADEJA AND FAMILY
(LONDON)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ]
WISH YOU & YOUR FAMILY
HAPPY DIWALI & HAPPY NEW YEAR
May the festival of lights bring you happiness,peace, good
health,prosperity and fill your life with bright and everlasting smiles!
From Daivat Jhala
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Happy Diwali
Dear Members,
Jai Mata Ji Ki,
Happy Diwali to all of you.
Enjoy the attached e-crackers also.
With Regards
Jaideep Singh Bhati
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] RIC Conference
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr.Jaivir Rathore .
To: [email protected]
;
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: 3rd RIC in States
Resp. Yogendrasinhji and others,Jaimataji!
Kindly consider the following points in reply to ur Q:
1. As far as I know; Alexandria, Verginia is hardly 10kms from the capital
city of Washington D.C. So its better as we would not have to travel for two
more hours [in addition to 18 hrs long flight from India and around 10hrs
from London] after landing at Newark Airport in case we decide for N.J.
2. Two airports in D.C area are equally good as the two airports of the twin
cities of Newark and NYC.
3. In general, Capital city is better known here in India, so we expect
better zest and participation from the samaj.
4. Alexandria is also a very historical place, and in addition to this we
have the benefit of touring the capital city of USA. I suppose everybody
would like to see “The White House” among other attractions.
5. Whatever little difference [$4] in hotel cost between D.C Hilton or N.J
Hilton can be nullified as we can save some $s as distance of 10kms would
definitely cost us less as compared to two hrs journey to Brounswik in N.J.
6.We should also invite the Indian Ambassador to USA in the conference.I
faced this Q from many distinguished people here in India after the London
RIC.This would be possible if we go for the capital city of WDC.
7.In Addtion to the Indian Ambassador we should also try to invite some
Senators to the RIC,as RSUK did by inviting Ms.Barbara Roach and Mr.Stephen
Twigg.This again is only possible if we go for WDC.
Kindly let me know what do u think about the above mentioned points.
Best wishes,
Jaivir Singh
Pl. visit me at: www.rathore.s5.com
www.rajputindia.com
www.rajputvivaaha.com
>From: "Solanki, Yogendra" <[email protected]>
>To: "'Dr.Jaivir
Rathore .'" <[email protected]>,
Subject: RE: 3rd RIC in States
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:19:12 -0600 > >Jai Mataji to all: > >(1) Now, we
have to decide between two Hiltons. > >(2) One is in New Jersey, two hours
from Newark airport and another one is >in Alexandria in Virginia, near the
country's capital city, Washington DC. >There are two airports in that area.
One is called Dulles In ternational and >another is called Ronald Reagan. >
>(3) London delegates will have no problem with respect to traveling to any
>of the two airports. What about delegates from India? Any problems or it
>does not matter? Please advise. Thanks. > > >
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neerav Jadeja" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] RIC Conference
Hello Everyone,
Currently, people are discussing possible locations for the next Rajput
International Conference in the United States. Two of the locations under
consideration are the Washington, DC and New Brunswick, New Jersey.
I would like to solicit the opinion of this group and see what your opinions
are. Thanks,
Neerav Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Chudasama Ji,
Thanks for the explaining on my behalf. I have also writen to Rupa Ji.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]>
wrote:
"M. B. Chudasama" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello Rupaji,
I think D.K. Siinghji is meant dtg for Delhi get together discussion. I too
agree with D. K. ji that "Brain Drain of India" to be treated as more serious
discussion than that light and funny Delhi gtg discussion. For that reason
only I wrote in my previous posting clearly that brain drain of India, infra
structure development and role of Government - these all things are nothing
more than hypocrites and no clear reality lies with in it. even I will go up
to extent that roots of present Indian brain goes simply because of collective
effort all those migrated since early '60 onwards and government was no were
in picture. There is nothing like brain drain out but now really country
enjoying benefits out of its after all elements of patriotism lying within
human nature are exploited by other by either way.
for Rupaba and all those Delhi gtg gang good news for you all that our old
member Rupesh Chauhan ( rupeshsingh_4u <[email protected] > ) from
Delhi is back on our group and as per Rupaba's pre condition for Delhi gtg he
is now qualified to join you all (kidding only) and also let us well come him
back on group for his home coming !
One member of RupaDidi's army of brothers is back on forum !
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Rupa Jadeja
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Rupa Ji, I meant delhi get together and instead of "g" some how typed
"d". I am sorry about that. Coming back to brain drain, I will still prefer to
discuss delhi get together because it is one activity which is going to foster
brotherhood and closeness among rajputs and a portion of samaj will benefit
from this activity in one or otherway and i strongly support and endorse this
get together.
To stop brain drain entire society will have to change its perspective and
thinking and start identifying brains, and nurturing, respecting and utilizing
them in a rightway. Then only people, samaj and nation will benefit. We have
tons of brain in 1 billion people and there will never be dearth of brains in
India but there has always been problem of nurturing brains in India by IAS,
and politicians. And society by large is responsible for this. I remember I
wrote once that inspite of complaining of brain drain, Indian society should
nurture what is left in India because those brains are still no less sharper
than any one who has left India and can do wonders. Take my example, I am only
one in US from my undergraduate batch of 55 students. I know at least 20 of
them were no less intellegent than me and 19 are still in india living
frustrated, dejected and confused because there brains are still "un or
under-utilized". No body is talking about them and about those dismal
circumstances
responsible for rotting those 19 brains from just one batch. Do your math and
you will know how many brains in India go un-noticed, un-cared and
disrespected. And we are wasting our time in glorifying 1-2 percent who left
India. I know for sure if stayed in India I must have been rotting in some
laboratory with dismal performance because I did go back to India from USA to
share, care and perform to help uplift littlebit and left again fully
convinved that India really needs to take care of those who are no less
qualified and intellegent than those who have left India. Atleast in US or UK
we are the Indian flag bearer and people have respect for India because of the
brains that drained to these country. I think this is better use of such
brains than to let them rot in India.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
So we have come to full circle again with this brain drain crap. It was a very
fancy word in 70s with lot of fuss written about this. Then periodically it
will be discussed in every decades and now in 2004. People, come on it is
better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap. Because, in india no brain is
brain unless it is drained (accepted in US or UK etc.) and then all the hoopla
of brain drain. This has become people's past time and a dustbin to take
sheltar for all their failures. Otherwise who in God's India care about any
brain by the way. You are rejected, denied, ridiculed, treated like dirty
linen and finally discarded by the naukarshahs and political bosses. Even
scientific managers will not respect a Ph. D. more than their chaprasis in
govt. sectors. But once you get out, these very idiots will make you brain.
Take it from me, India has never respected its brain and will never be able to
stop this drain. Remember my words twenty years after and when we will still
be
discussing this crap. In india a thanedar is more respected in society than
Ph.Ds and professors. Such society will never be able to retain these brains.
Sorry for pessimistic outlook but this is hundred percent truth.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
Bharat Naruka <[email protected]> wrote:
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
>
> --- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
> <bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> > Rupaba,
> >
> > I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain
> is
> > a problem at the first place. I would rather
> defend
> > this concept as I belive that it is the
> appropriate
> > use of the brain. I have following points to make.
> I
> > would try to cover all the points you have put.
> >
> > 1). The BPO term is currently used for call
> centers
> > and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining
> call
> > centers. If they are joining, that is because they
> do
> > not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> > suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to
> stay
> > back and struggle to live when then can bring
> > prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
> >
> > 2).India has superflous engineers in its core
> sector.
> > All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any
> such
> > scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> > absolutely zero work done on research and
> development
> > in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home
> and
> > work in manufacuring industry where he has to
> apply
> > minimal brain power to get the things going. As
> far as
> > I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> > brain is being judiciously utilized. If India
> doesnt
> > have capability to use this brain, the brains
> should
> > go out and help India externally.
> >
> > 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> > found that Indian alumni has made an organization
> for
> > develpment of India. The point I am trying to make
> is,
> > that the brains who go out can still work for the
> > betterment of the country in a more effective way
> than
> > they can while staying in country. If they try to
> work
> > in india, they do not get enough funds, they do
> not
> > get required guidance and moral boosting and they
> do
> > not get firm platform for their research.
> >
> > 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year.
> And
> > the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to
> India
> > by these engineers. I am more than confident that
> it
> > would be more than that loss (UNDP report also
> says
> > that the traffic is not one way).
> >
> > 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might
> be
> > incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> > out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> > India in less than a year. This brings prosparity
> in
> > the country and leads to improved living
> conditions.
> >
> > 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> > countries reputation. India is no more considered
> as
> > land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is
> now
> > considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> > hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> > Americans. Some simpley admire and some are
> concerned
> > about losing their jobs. But they realize that
> that
> > have been outsmarted in their own game.
> >
> > 7). So many brains who went out side invested in
> India
> > and provided lot of employment opportunities in
> India.
> > Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> > company), which employs about 5000 people in india
> is
> > such example.
> >
> > 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> > fortune. They have started to think more about
> their
> > motherland and infuencing thousand of those back
> home.
> > The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> > changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> > find it more of a boon than a curse.
> >
> > Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> > points I have made above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bharat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Group
> > >
> > > Jay Mataji to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you ever imagine a country without
> engineers,
> > > scientists, doctors and other professionals?
> That is
> > > exactly what is happening in India.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain
> drain in
> > > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from
> the
> > > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call
> centre
> > > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers
> from
> > > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical
> engineering
> > > leave their field after graduation and work for
> BPO
> > > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not
> brain
> > > drain then what is?
> > >
> > > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage
> of
>
=== message truncated ===
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] RIC Conference
Dear Mr. Neerav,
Is it possible to hold the next RIC in India? That'll ensure larger
participation.
Well, that is my personal opinion.
Regards,
Snjiv Singh
Neerav Jadeja <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Currently, people are discussing possible locations for the next Rajput
International Conference in the United States. Two of the locations under
consideration are the Washington, DC and New Brunswick, New Jersey.
I would like to solicit the opinion of this group and see what your opinions
are. Thanks,
Neerav Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] RIC Conference
Hello Everyone,
Currently, people are discussing possible locations for the next Rajput
International Conference in the United States. Two of the locations under
consideration are the Washington, DC and New Brunswick, New Jersey.
I would like to solicit the opinion of this group and see what your opinions
are. Thanks,
Neerav Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Final Welcome back to Rupeshji!!
Sorry group,
Lagta hai mera triable shooting wapus start ho gaya hai! My humble apologies
for the last 3 blank mesg's whilst trying to welcome my ONE MORE BROTHER back
on this platform!!
My dear brother Rupesh
Welcome back!! I am glad that after some cajoling you have finally decided to
embrace ur family back in your arms so on behalf of the whole group we too
welcome you back with an open arms and look forward to your valued
contribution!!
PS: Chudasamaji, Yup you are most certainly right sir when you so adoringly
say that one member of Rupadidi's army is back.....coz that's precisely my
vision is that one by one every Rajput brother's one day will unite and will
create an Army of intellectuals, educated, morally and principally highly
ethic, hard working, highly achieving Rajput world-wide community and wipe the
slate clean with the bad name that media have so meaningfully created for us!!
You wait and watch sir this precise brothers like Sanjeev, Rajender, Sanjay,
Rupesh, Pankaj, Gyanendra, Mangalji, Jaideepji, Sujansa, Pavansa, Bharatsa,
Aditya and many more will one day make THE RAJPUT's proud by their
achievements through their strenth and wisdom!!
And when we are already blessed with the guidance and protection of the SPG/BSF
commandos like Ishwarji and Anoopji...well my warning is that India you better
watch out for US as UNITED we stand........!!.
Then not only you but many will say "welcome to RUPABA's ARMY!!" hehhehehehe
:-))
Regards n Jaymataji
from one very hopeful for the good future of Rajput clan....Rupaba
"M. B. Chudasama" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Rupaji,
I think D.K. Siinghji is meant dtg for Delhi get together discussion. I too
agree with D. K. ji that "Brain Drain of India" to be treated as more serious
discussion than that light and funny Delhi gtg discussion. For that reason
only I wrote in my previous posting clearly that brain drain of India, infra
structure development and role of Government - these all things are nothing
more than hypocrites and no clear reality lies with in it. even I will go up
to extent that roots of present Indian brain goes simply because of collective
effort all those migrated since early '60 onwards and government was no were
in picture. There is nothing like brain drain out but now really country
enjoying benefits out of its after all elements of patriotism lying within
human nature are exploited by other by either way.
for Rupaba and all those Delhi gtg gang good news for you all that our old
member Rupesh Chauhan ( rupeshsingh_4u <[email protected] > ) from
Delhi is back on our group and as per Rupaba's pre condition for Delhi gtg he
is now qualified to join you all (kidding only) and also let us well come him
back on group for his home coming !
One member of RupaDidi's army of brothers is back on forum !
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Rupa Jadeja
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Welcome back to Rupeshji!!
"M. B. Chudasama" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello Rupaji,
I think D.K. Siinghji is meant dtg for Delhi get together discussion. I too
agree with D. K. ji that "Brain Drain of India" to be treated as more serious
discussion than that light and funny Delhi gtg discussion. For that reason
only I wrote in my previous posting clearly that brain drain of India, infra
structure development and role of Government - these all things are nothing
more than hypocrites and no clear reality lies with in it. even I will go up
to extent that roots of present Indian brain goes simply because of collective
effort all those migrated since early '60 onwards and government was no were
in picture. There is nothing like brain drain out but now really country
enjoying benefits out of its after all elements of patriotism lying within
human nature are exploited by other by either way.
for Rupaba and all those Delhi gtg gang good news for you all that our old
member Rupesh Chauhan ( rupeshsingh_4u <[email protected] > ) from
Delhi is back on our group and as per Rupaba's pre condition for Delhi gtg he
is now qualified to join you all (kidding only) and also let us well come him
back on group for his home coming !
One member of RupaDidi's army of brothers is back on forum !
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Rupa Jadeja
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Hello Rupaji,
I think D.K. Siinghji is meant dtg for Delhi get together discussion. I too
agree with D. K. ji that "Brain Drain of India" to be treated as more serious
discussion than that light and funny Delhi gtg discussion. For that reason
only I wrote in my previous posting clearly that brain drain of India, infra
structure development and role of Government - these all things are nothing
more than hypocrites and no clear reality lies with in it. even I will go up
to extent that roots of present Indian brain goes simply because of collective
effort all those migrated since early '60 onwards and government was no were
in picture. There is nothing like brain drain out but now really country
enjoying benefits out of its after all elements of patriotism lying within
human nature are exploited by other by either way.
for Rupaba and all those Delhi gtg gang good news for you all that our old
member Rupesh Chauhan ( rupeshsingh_4u <[email protected] > ) from
Delhi is back on our group and as per Rupaba's pre condition for Delhi gtg he
is now qualified to join you all (kidding only) and also let us well come him
back on group for his home coming !
One member of RupaDidi's army of brothers is back on forum !
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Rupa Jadeja
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
So we have come to full circle again with this brain drain crap. It was a
very fancy word in 70s with lot of fuss written about this. Then periodically
it will be discussed in every decades and now in 2004. People, come on it is
better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap. Because, in india no brain is
brain unless it is drained (accepted in US or UK etc.) and then all the hoopla
of brain drain. This has become people's past time and a dustbin to take
sheltar for all their failures. Otherwise who in God's India care about any
brain by the way. You are rejected, denied, ridiculed, treated like dirty
linen and finally discarded by the naukarshahs and political bosses. Even
scientific managers will not respect a Ph. D. more than their chaprasis in
govt. sectors. But once you get out, these very idiots will make you brain.
Take it from me, India has never respected its brain and will never be able to
stop this drain. Remember my words twenty years after and when we will still
be
discussing this crap. In india a thanedar is more respected in society than
Ph.Ds and professors. Such society will never be able to retain these brains.
Sorry for pessimistic outlook but this is hundred percent truth.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
Bharat Naruka <[email protected]> wrote:
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
>
> --- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
> <bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> > Rupaba,
> >
> > I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain
> is
> > a problem at the first place. I would rather
> defend
> > this concept as I belive that it is the
> appropriate
> > use of the brain. I have following points to make.
> I
> > would try to cover all the points you have put.
> >
> > 1). The BPO term is currently used for call
> centers
> > and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining
> call
> > centers. If they are joining, that is because they
> do
> > not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> > suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to
> stay
> > back and struggle to live when then can bring
> > prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
> >
> > 2).India has superflous engineers in its core
> sector.
> > All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any
> such
> > scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> > absolutely zero work done on research and
> development
> > in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home
> and
> > work in manufacuring industry where he has to
> apply
> > minimal brain power to get the things going. As
> far as
> > I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> > brain is being judiciously utilized. If India
> doesnt
> > have capability to use this brain, the brains
> should
> > go out and help India externally.
> >
> > 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> > found that Indian alumni has made an organization
> for
> > develpment of India. The point I am trying to make
> is,
> > that the brains who go out can still work for the
> > betterment of the country in a more effective way
> than
> > they can while staying in country. If they try to
> work
> > in india, they do not get enough funds, they do
> not
> > get required guidance and moral boosting and they
> do
> > not get firm platform for their research.
> >
> > 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year.
> And
> > the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to
> India
> > by these engineers. I am more than confident that
> it
> > would be more than that loss (UNDP report also
> says
> > that the traffic is not one way).
> >
> > 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might
> be
> > incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> > out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> > India in less than a year. This brings prosparity
> in
> > the country and leads to improved living
> conditions.
> >
> > 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> > countries reputation. India is no more considered
> as
> > land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is
> now
> > considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> > hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> > Americans. Some simpley admire and some are
> concerned
> > about losing their jobs. But they realize that
> that
> > have been outsmarted in their own game.
> >
> > 7). So many brains who went out side invested in
> India
> > and provided lot of employment opportunities in
> India.
> > Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> > company), which employs about 5000 people in india
> is
> > such example.
> >
> > 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> > fortune. They have started to think more about
> their
> > motherland and infuencing thousand of those back
> home.
> > The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> > changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> > find it more of a boon than a curse.
> >
> > Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> > points I have made above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bharat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Group
> > >
> > > Jay Mataji to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you ever imagine a country without
> engineers,
> > > scientists, doctors and other professionals?
> That is
> > > exactly what is happening in India.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain
> drain in
> > > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from
> the
> > > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call
> centre
> > > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers
> from
> > > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical
> engineering
> > > leave their field after graduation and work for
> BPO
> > > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not
> brain
> > > drain then what is?
> > >
> > > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage
> of
>
=== message truncated ===
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Respected Sir
Can you please explain what did you mean by
" People, come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap??"
I mean I am totally lost at your acronym of dgt!! Can you please lehme know
what does dgt mean so that i can reply to you properly sir!!
Jay mataji
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
So we have come to full circle again with this brain drain crap. It was a very
fancy word in 70s with lot of fuss written about this. Then periodically it
will be discussed in every decades and now in 2004. People, come on it is
better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap. Because, in india no brain is
brain unless it is drained (accepted in US or UK etc.) and then all the hoopla
of brain drain. This has become people's past time and a dustbin to take
sheltar for all their failures. Otherwise who in God's India care about any
brain by the way. You are rejected, denied, ridiculed, treated like dirty
linen and finally discarded by the naukarshahs and political bosses. Even
scientific managers will not respect a Ph. D. more than their chaprasis in
govt. sectors. But once you get out, these very idiots will make you brain.
Take it from me, India has never respected its brain and will never be able to
stop this drain. Remember my words twenty years after and when we will still
be
discussing this crap. In india a thanedar is more respected in society than
Ph.Ds and professors. Such society will never be able to retain these brains.
Sorry for pessimistic outlook but this is hundred percent truth.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
Bharat Naruka <[email protected]> wrote:
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
So we have come to full circle again with this brain drain crap. It was
a very fancy word in 70s with lot of fuss written about this. Then
periodically it will be discussed in every decades and now in 2004. People,
come on it is better to discuss Rupa Ji's dgt than this crap. Because, in
india no brain is brain unless it is drained (accepted in US or UK etc.) and
then all the hoopla of brain drain. This has become people's past time and a
dustbin to take sheltar for all their failures. Otherwise who in God's India
care about any brain by the way. You are rejected, denied, ridiculed, treated
like dirty linen and finally discarded by the naukarshahs and political
bosses. Even scientific managers will not respect a Ph. D. more than their
chaprasis in govt. sectors. But once you get out, these very idiots will make
you brain. Take it from me, India has never respected its brain and will never
be able to stop this drain. Remember my words twenty years after and when we
will still be
discussing this crap. In india a thanedar is more respected in society than
Ph.Ds and professors. Such society will never be able to retain these brains.
Sorry for pessimistic outlook but this is hundred percent truth.
Dinesh Singh Naruka
Bharat Naruka <[email protected]> wrote:
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
>
> --- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
> <bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> > Rupaba,
> >
> > I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain
> is
> > a problem at the first place. I would rather
> defend
> > this concept as I belive that it is the
> appropriate
> > use of the brain. I have following points to make.
> I
> > would try to cover all the points you have put.
> >
> > 1). The BPO term is currently used for call
> centers
> > and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining
> call
> > centers. If they are joining, that is because they
> do
> > not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> > suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to
> stay
> > back and struggle to live when then can bring
> > prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
> >
> > 2).India has superflous engineers in its core
> sector.
> > All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any
> such
> > scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> > absolutely zero work done on research and
> development
> > in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home
> and
> > work in manufacuring industry where he has to
> apply
> > minimal brain power to get the things going. As
> far as
> > I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> > brain is being judiciously utilized. If India
> doesnt
> > have capability to use this brain, the brains
> should
> > go out and help India externally.
> >
> > 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> > found that Indian alumni has made an organization
> for
> > develpment of India. The point I am trying to make
> is,
> > that the brains who go out can still work for the
> > betterment of the country in a more effective way
> than
> > they can while staying in country. If they try to
> work
> > in india, they do not get enough funds, they do
> not
> > get required guidance and moral boosting and they
> do
> > not get firm platform for their research.
> >
> > 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year.
> And
> > the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to
> India
> > by these engineers. I am more than confident that
> it
> > would be more than that loss (UNDP report also
> says
> > that the traffic is not one way).
> >
> > 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might
> be
> > incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> > out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> > India in less than a year. This brings prosparity
> in
> > the country and leads to improved living
> conditions.
> >
> > 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> > countries reputation. India is no more considered
> as
> > land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is
> now
> > considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> > hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> > Americans. Some simpley admire and some are
> concerned
> > about losing their jobs. But they realize that
> that
> > have been outsmarted in their own game.
> >
> > 7). So many brains who went out side invested in
> India
> > and provided lot of employment opportunities in
> India.
> > Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> > company), which employs about 5000 people in india
> is
> > such example.
> >
> > 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> > fortune. They have started to think more about
> their
> > motherland and infuencing thousand of those back
> home.
> > The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> > changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> > find it more of a boon than a curse.
> >
> > Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> > points I have made above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bharat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Group
> > >
> > > Jay Mataji to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you ever imagine a country without
> engineers,
> > > scientists, doctors and other professionals?
> That is
> > > exactly what is happening in India.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain
> drain in
> > > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from
> the
> > > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call
> centre
> > > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers
> from
> > > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical
> engineering
> > > leave their field after graduation and work for
> BPO
> > > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not
> brain
> > > drain then what is?
> > >
> > > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage
> of
>
=== message truncated
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
It is not only white man whose accounts are flooding
with inflows of money. In this BPO wave so many
Indians also have become rich. I personally know 5-6
people who passed out of the college, caught eyes of
venture capitalists, estabilished small BPO units, got
lot of money and gave tremendous employment
opportunities. It was virtually impossible few years
back for a non techie graduate to think about a job
fetching them 15-20k per month in india. Now it is a
dream come true.
India could have cashed this on politiccally but this
has turned out to be a fiasco and the govt. has to beg
for H1 visas. This is a complete failure at policitcal
front. Americans lost more jobs in engineering sector
to Chinese and Japanese than in serivce sector to
India but still in US India is considered as bigger
threat.
I intitially thought that outsourcing is diminishing
enterprenureship in India to a great extent but now I
feel I have been wrong. When giants like Dell and AT&T
have opened there own BPO units in India, several
Indias have also emerged successfully in this
industry.
The benefit has been mutual. Had this outsourcing wave
not rippled, we would still be hainvg engineers
striving to get a 5k job after passing out of the
college.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- sayvari <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is evident that the brain drain is happening but
> the Govt/Indians
> has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
>
> It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed
> manage the American
> Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner
> is the White
> Man since the product designed by us Indians are
> profited by the
> whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the
> process has nothing
> but helped the white man and could create a few
> Entrepreneurs like
> TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and
> Satyam instead
> of the whole nation benefitting from the software
> boom. Like China
> dictates the terms when trading with America while
> we beg.
>
> To set right we have to get into the Political
> system, otherwise we
> will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which
> were needed fifty
> years before.
>
> One can have a look at some good work being done in
> India by Indians
> at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
>
> "The future of the Indian techies is not only here.
> It is also
> there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT
> - not from
> India, but from the US! "
>
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
> t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
>
> Regards,
>
> Sayvari
>
> --- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
> <bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> > Rupaba,
> >
> > I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain
> is
> > a problem at the first place. I would rather
> defend
> > this concept as I belive that it is the
> appropriate
> > use of the brain. I have following points to make.
> I
> > would try to cover all the points you have put.
> >
> > 1). The BPO term is currently used for call
> centers
> > and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining
> call
> > centers. If they are joining, that is because they
> do
> > not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> > suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to
> stay
> > back and struggle to live when then can bring
> > prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
> >
> > 2).India has superflous engineers in its core
> sector.
> > All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any
> such
> > scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> > absolutely zero work done on research and
> development
> > in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home
> and
> > work in manufacuring industry where he has to
> apply
> > minimal brain power to get the things going. As
> far as
> > I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> > brain is being judiciously utilized. If India
> doesnt
> > have capability to use this brain, the brains
> should
> > go out and help India externally.
> >
> > 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> > found that Indian alumni has made an organization
> for
> > develpment of India. The point I am trying to make
> is,
> > that the brains who go out can still work for the
> > betterment of the country in a more effective way
> than
> > they can while staying in country. If they try to
> work
> > in india, they do not get enough funds, they do
> not
> > get required guidance and moral boosting and they
> do
> > not get firm platform for their research.
> >
> > 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year.
> And
> > the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to
> India
> > by these engineers. I am more than confident that
> it
> > would be more than that loss (UNDP report also
> says
> > that the traffic is not one way).
> >
> > 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might
> be
> > incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> > out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> > India in less than a year. This brings prosparity
> in
> > the country and leads to improved living
> conditions.
> >
> > 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> > countries reputation. India is no more considered
> as
> > land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is
> now
> > considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> > hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> > Americans. Some simpley admire and some are
> concerned
> > about losing their jobs. But they realize that
> that
> > have been outsmarted in their own game.
> >
> > 7). So many brains who went out side invested in
> India
> > and provided lot of employment opportunities in
> India.
> > Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> > company), which employs about 5000 people in india
> is
> > such example.
> >
> > 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> > fortune. They have started to think more about
> their
> > motherland and infuencing thousand of those back
> home.
> > The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> > changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> > find it more of a boon than a curse.
> >
> > Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> > points I have made above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bharat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Group
> > >
> > > Jay Mataji to all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you ever imagine a country without
> engineers,
> > > scientists, doctors and other professionals?
> That is
> > > exactly what is happening in India.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain
> drain in
> > > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from
> the
> > > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call
> centre
> > > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers
> from
> > > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical
> engineering
> > > leave their field after graduation and work for
> BPO
> > > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not
> brain
> > > drain then what is?
> > >
> > > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage
> of
>
=== message truncated ===
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
It is evident that the brain drain is happening but the Govt/Indians
has failed to Capitalise on that fully.
It is told that nearly 35% of Indians employed manage the American
Industry (Microsoft, Intel AT&T etc), but the Winner is the White
Man since the product designed by us Indians are profited by the
whitemans bank account. The Indian Govt in the process has nothing
but helped the white man and could create a few Entrepreneurs like
TCS, Infosys(Narayanamurthy), Wipro(Azim Premji) and Satyam instead
of the whole nation benefitting from the software boom. Like China
dictates the terms when trading with America while we beg.
To set right we have to get into the Political system, otherwise we
will keep on making infrastructure/decisions which were needed fifty
years before.
One can have a look at some good work being done in India by Indians
at
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/homepage.php
"The future of the Indian techies is not only here. It is also
there, in the US! Indian pros will rule American IT - not from
India, but from the US! "
http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/forums/viewtopic.php?
t=751&sid=5148bafc83c99f8a8aac1ee214999349
Regards,
Sayvari
--- In [email protected], Bharat Naruka
<bharatnaruka@y...> wrote:
> Rupaba,
>
> I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain is
> a problem at the first place. I would rather defend
> this concept as I belive that it is the appropriate
> use of the brain. I have following points to make. I
> would try to cover all the points you have put.
>
> 1). The BPO term is currently used for call centers
> and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining call
> centers. If they are joining, that is because they do
> not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
> suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to stay
> back and struggle to live when then can bring
> prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
>
> 2).India has superflous engineers in its core sector.
> All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any such
> scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
> absolutely zero work done on research and development
> in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home and
> work in manufacuring industry where he has to apply
> minimal brain power to get the things going. As far as
> I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
> brain is being judiciously utilized. If India doesnt
> have capability to use this brain, the brains should
> go out and help India externally.
>
> 3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
> found that Indian alumni has made an organization for
> develpment of India. The point I am trying to make is,
> that the brains who go out can still work for the
> betterment of the country in a more effective way than
> they can while staying in country. If they try to work
> in india, they do not get enough funds, they do not
> get required guidance and moral boosting and they do
> not get firm platform for their research.
>
> 4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year. And
> the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to India
> by these engineers. I am more than confident that it
> would be more than that loss (UNDP report also says
> that the traffic is not one way).
>
> 5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might be
> incurring in educating the engineers who are going
> out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
> India in less than a year. This brings prosparity in
> the country and leads to improved living conditions.
>
> 6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
> countries reputation. India is no more considered as
> land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is now
> considered as land of clever and capable people. I
> hear this evrey now and then in my office from
> Americans. Some simpley admire and some are concerned
> about losing their jobs. But they realize that that
> have been outsmarted in their own game.
>
> 7). So many brains who went out side invested in India
> and provided lot of employment opportunities in India.
> Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
> company), which employs about 5000 people in india is
> such example.
>
> 8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
> fortune. They have started to think more about their
> motherland and infuencing thousand of those back home.
> The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
> changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
> find it more of a boon than a curse.
>
> Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
> points I have made above.
>
> Thanks,
> Bharat
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Group
> >
> > Jay Mataji to all!
> >
> >
> > Can you ever imagine a country without engineers,
> > scientists, doctors and other professionals? That is
> > exactly what is happening in India.
> >
> >
> >
> > According to latest media reports US and UK
> > Corporations have caused the ultimate brain drain in
> > India. Most of the talented students are running
> > after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from the
> > US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call centre
> > work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers from
> > mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> > Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical engineering
> > leave their field after graduation and work for BPO
> > companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not brain
> > drain then what is?
> >
> > In the mean time India is facing acute shortage of
> > talents in the fields of science, engineering and
> > technology. On the other hand the US and UK
> > engineers work on their own technical field and they
> > shift the dirty but talent-needed IT work to
> > countries like India.
> >
> > India faces shortage of people for high-end
> > industrial work that is based on research and
> > development
> >
> >
> >
> > A brain drain of highly-skilled professionals to
> > well paid jobs in the first world costs Asia
> > billions of dollars each year but the traffic is not
> > all one way, a UN report found. The United Nations
> > Development Programme's (UNDP) Human
> >
> > Development Report 2001 estimates India loses $2
> > billion a year in resources because of the
> > emigration of computer professionals to the United
> > States alone. The report made no mention of Indian
> > remittances home.
> >
> >
> >
> > It said about 100,000 Indians were expected to
> > emigrate each year after new visas were approved in
> > the United States in October last, and the average
> > total cost to India of educating each one of them
> > was between $15,000 and $20,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > But the report, to be released in Mexico city,
> > Sydney and several other cities on Tuesday, also
> > noted that "diasporas", such as Indian computer
> > professionals in Silicon Valley in the United
> > States, can enhance the country of origin's
> > reputation.
> >
> >
> >
> > "The success of the Indian diasporas in Silicon
> > Valley... appears to be influencing how the world
> > views India, by creating a sort of 'branding'," the
> > report said. "Indian nationality for a software
> > programmer sends a signal of quality just as a 'made
> > in Japan' label signals first-class consumer
> > electronics," it said. The new transactional demand
> > for information technology specialists from India
> > has led to a rapid expansion of suitable training at
> > home, increasingly by the private sector. "In a
> > global market, people with the right skills will
> > naturally migrate to the high-tech, high-wage
> > frontier, wherever it is," said UNDP adviser Nancy
> > Birdsall. "But we do see signs that when countries
> > create the right conditions -- including openness to
> > new investment and new ideas -- they can recapture
> > some of what they have lost. The Indians in Silicon
> > Valley are an important part of Bangalore's success
> >
> >
> > For quite some time the Question of India's brain
> > drain has been bugging me and I have had many
> > discussions with colleagues in UK and friends too
> > but have failed to accept that we Indians only run
> > after pounds or dollars?!!
> >
> > My personal feeling and understanding is that we as
> > an human being thrive for the betterment in our
> > lives specially better living conditions for our
> > selves and our dear ones!! But now that our desire
> > for the betterment for our selves is causing India's
> > infrastructure a greater deal of money as well as is
> > proving to be harmful to our country's progress as
> > whole.
> >
> > So my question to you is what can we do to improve
> > this situation? Are their any solutions at all?!!
> >
> > Look forward to your contribution to this discussion
> > and pls no need to take it personally at all!! Just
> > treat as food for thought thats all!!
> >
> > Jay Mataji
> > Rupaba Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Rupaba,
I Beg to differ and I don't think that brain drain is
a problem at the first place. I would rather defend
this concept as I belive that it is the appropriate
use of the brain. I have following points to make. I
would try to cover all the points you have put.
1). The BPO term is currently used for call centers
and hardly 1% of those 78% engineers are joining call
centers. If they are joining, that is because they do
not have suitable jobs. And when they can find
suitable jobs abroad, why should we want them to stay
back and struggle to live when then can bring
prosperity to their dependents by working abroad.
2).India has superflous engineers in its core sector.
All of the PSUs, which are more vulnerable to any such
scarecity, are over staffed. There is almost
absolutely zero work done on research and development
in India. Why should we want a brain to stay home and
work in manufacuring industry where he has to apply
minimal brain power to get the things going. As far as
I think, brain-drain term is relevant only if the
brain is being judiciously utilized. If India doesnt
have capability to use this brain, the brains should
go out and help India externally.
3). Recently I have been to M.I.T in Boston, and I
found that Indian alumni has made an organization for
develpment of India. The point I am trying to make is,
that the brains who go out can still work for the
betterment of the country in a more effective way than
they can while staying in country. If they try to work
in india, they do not get enough funds, they do not
get required guidance and moral boosting and they do
not get firm platform for their research.
4). Report says that india loses 2 billion a year. And
the report doesnt say what amount is remitted to India
by these engineers. I am more than confident that it
would be more than that loss (UNDP report also says
that the traffic is not one way).
5). $15000 - $20000 is the total amount govt might be
incurring in educating the engineers who are going
out. They are capable or remitting this amount to
India in less than a year. This brings prosparity in
the country and leads to improved living conditions.
6). Ofcource s/w professional are enhancing the
countries reputation. India is no more considered as
land of Snake Charmers and Rope trickers. India is now
considered as land of clever and capable people. I
hear this evrey now and then in my office from
Americans. Some simpley admire and some are concerned
about losing their jobs. But they realize that that
have been outsmarted in their own game.
7). So many brains who went out side invested in India
and provided lot of employment opportunities in India.
Bharat Desai, CEO of Syntel India Ltd (My previous
company), which employs about 5000 people in india is
such example.
8). These brains are bringing us name, fame and
fortune. They have started to think more about their
motherland and infuencing thousand of those back home.
The attitude problem that India faces is slowly
changing. I owe it all to so called BRAIN DRAIN. I
find it more of a boon than a curse.
Please feel free to comment/opposse on any of the
points I have made above.
Thanks,
Bharat
--- Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Group
>
> Jay Mataji to all!
>
>
> Can you ever imagine a country without engineers,
> scientists, doctors and other professionals? That is
> exactly what is happening in India.
>
>
>
> According to latest media reports US and UK
> Corporations have caused the ultimate brain drain in
> India. Most of the talented students are running
> after dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from the
> US or UK, working and learning IT and/or call centre
> work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers from
> mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil,
> Instrumentation, Chemical and Biomedical engineering
> leave their field after graduation and work for BPO
> companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not brain
> drain then what is?
>
> In the mean time India is facing acute shortage of
> talents in the fields of science, engineering and
> technology. On the other hand the US and UK
> engineers work on their own technical field and they
> shift the dirty but talent-needed IT work to
> countries like India.
>
> India faces shortage of people for high-end
> industrial work that is based on research and
> development
>
>
>
> A brain drain of highly-skilled professionals to
> well paid jobs in the first world costs Asia
> billions of dollars each year but the traffic is not
> all one way, a UN report found. The United Nations
> Development Programme's (UNDP) Human
>
> Development Report 2001 estimates India loses $2
> billion a year in resources because of the
> emigration of computer professionals to the United
> States alone. The report made no mention of Indian
> remittances home.
>
>
>
> It said about 100,000 Indians were expected to
> emigrate each year after new visas were approved in
> the United States in October last, and the average
> total cost to India of educating each one of them
> was between $15,000 and $20,000.
>
>
>
> But the report, to be released in Mexico city,
> Sydney and several other cities on Tuesday, also
> noted that "diasporas", such as Indian computer
> professionals in Silicon Valley in the United
> States, can enhance the country of origin's
> reputation.
>
>
>
> "The success of the Indian diasporas in Silicon
> Valley... appears to be influencing how the world
> views India, by creating a sort of 'branding'," the
> report said. "Indian nationality for a software
> programmer sends a signal of quality just as a 'made
> in Japan' label signals first-class consumer
> electronics," it said. The new transactional demand
> for information technology specialists from India
> has led to a rapid expansion of suitable training at
> home, increasingly by the private sector. "In a
> global market, people with the right skills will
> naturally migrate to the high-tech, high-wage
> frontier, wherever it is," said UNDP adviser Nancy
> Birdsall. "But we do see signs that when countries
> create the right conditions -- including openness to
> new investment and new ideas -- they can recapture
> some of what they have lost. The Indians in Silicon
> Valley are an important part of Bangalore's success
>
>
> For quite some time the Question of India's brain
> drain has been bugging me and I have had many
> discussions with colleagues in UK and friends too
> but have failed to accept that we Indians only run
> after pounds or dollars?!!
>
> My personal feeling and understanding is that we as
> an human being thrive for the betterment in our
> lives specially better living conditions for our
> selves and our dear ones!! But now that our desire
> for the betterment for our selves is causing India's
> infrastructure a greater deal of money as well as is
> proving to be harmful to our country's progress as
> whole.
>
> So my question to you is what can we do to improve
> this situation? Are their any solutions at all?!!
>
> Look forward to your contribution to this discussion
> and pls no need to take it personally at all!! Just
> treat as food for thought thats all!!
>
> Jay Mataji
> Rupaba Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Dear all,
I don't know weather I am here in subject thread of brain drain of India or
infra structure development and role of Government. Actually still it is early
stage to criticize or prize IT boom from nation's view point. Still these
e-commerce, e-market and e-government, etc., are still at its infant stage and
well long way to go. Say today's 200 billion dollars e-commerce will reach
more than 1 Trillion dollars in another 10 years and so definitely and so all
these Indian brains have good job market value even in coming years. Now for
long term policy for nation's view point actually government should come out
with more and more promotional measure to drain back excessive fund available
with all these NRI to be utilized in development project which up to some
extent already there. Say for example ex IITians in Silicone valley are all
well active in keeping touch with their almamater and many have helped in
diverting fund to these institution millions of dollars only because they st
ill think they owe to their almamater and so to their country. Do you know
that IIM Ahmedabad or IIT Khargpur / Powai earn millions of dollars via these
ex student?
It is true mouse and key board can not generate industrial production or GDP
directly but can divert fund definitely. Still some country is playing safe
concentrating more on industrial and GDP development than IT say China and
many far eastern countries. Economy and situation in Bangkok or Manila no way
different than our metros like Bombay or Delhi. All most every thing say
population and so conj station, poverty, slums, corruption, law and order, etc
are all most same like our metros still they are ahead in infra structures
like Roads, Flyover, Metro rail etc. still in Bombay (after so many flyover in
previous Shiv Sena BJP government) it takes more than 30 minutes to travel 20
km distance say from Bandra to Nariman point. Our leaders in Bombay or Delhi
could have solved traffic problems if acted in similar manner in so many years
as like in Bangkok or Tokyo. Just compare growth of all these international
cities in last 40 years with that of our Metros.
Fund does not matter all the time if there is honest and strong leadership.
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Rupa Jadeja
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Brilliant answer bro! keep it up! See this is the type of answers i like to
read! Excellent!! Excellent!! for my next food for thought sessions of
discussion's i am going to use this argument from the India's side with your
kind permission! Hope it's okay!!
Take care n regards
Jay Mataji
rajinder thakur <[email protected]> wrote:
jai shri mahadev
nice to hear something serious from your side after so much discussions on
delhi gettogether.brain drain has been plaguing india for quite some time ,
which has increased many time in subsequent years.but the problem is not only
og people but government also. seriouly speaking government itself is bent
upon meking workforce for these foreign countries. answer onething,in day to
day life which is needed more a computer engineer or a civil engineer.obviouly
in india we need civil, mechanical, metallurgy engineers more in order to have
development in india. major project remain incomplete because of lack of good
civil engineers who can design good and cheap ideas for making of roads,
railway. why is it that we have only one konkan railway type rail line while
foreign countries has thousand like this. why is that we have not got till now
the concept of viable highways, undergroung railways like these foreign
countries.
we had done enormous development in the field of software but nothing
that can increase the amenities.see example of delhi, the now the government
has tried to decrease traffic congestion in delhi, had it been many years
before thare has not been such traffic congestion as we see now.(you will see
by yourself when u came here )
so we need civil engineers in quite demand , but what the seen is much
different.i tell you the seen in north western part of india i.e. punjab,
haryana, hp,,j&k, chandigarh and i think same is prevelent in other parts.here
the total number of students studying civil engineering is about 1/50th of
those studying electronics and computer.so for one civil engineer we will have
50 computer and electronics engineer.so demand in north india is more of civil
engineer because of rough terrain, but we are producing software engineer is
negligible as there is few major software company in north western india,
which is producing 20000 software engineers everyyear.so where will they go,
obviuly some go to banglore (but only of reputed college) rest have no other
mean other than go abroad, while whole northwestern india cry for amenities,
lack of railway connection etc.punjab has highest number of people goin
abroad, this is the reason why.
this is also due to lack of jobs here as most of the work with govt, in
which corruption is in large scale.this has led to brain drain. it is duty of
government to help stop brain drain by diversifying the vocation then just
start opening colleges to please people. in andhra, karnataka, maharasta there
are about 200-300 colleges producing about 3-4lakh students , but where are
industries to take them. in these 2-3 lakh are just of one software , so where
they will go then going abroad. govt should try to diversify industry by
opening and promotong new sectors of food and agro processing, meta, oil
sector and privatise more to open up jobs in different fields for people.so
problem is in govt and not we, all need money to fend for themselves and in a
country where future is so much insecure we need more money for not only us
but for future generation.we only need to shift our misguided policy on right
track.
hope it is enough for mine side.
jai shri mahadev
Rajinder Singh Thakur..
III Year (B.E) ..
Electronics and Electrical Communication..
PUNJAB ENGINEERING COLLEGE..
CHANDIGARH..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Brilliant answer bro! keep it up! See this is the type of answers i
like to read! Excellent!! Excellent!! for my next food for thought sessions of
discussion's i am going to use this argument from the India's side with your
kind permission! Hope it's okay!!
Take care n regards
Jay Mataji
rajinder thakur <[email protected]>
wrote:
jai shri mahadev
nice to hear something serious from your side after so much discussions on
delhi gettogether.brain drain has been plaguing india for quite some time ,
which has increased many time in subsequent years.but the problem is not only
og people but government also. seriouly speaking government itself is bent
upon meking workforce for these foreign countries. answer onething,in day to
day life which is needed more a computer engineer or a civil engineer.obviouly
in india we need civil, mechanical, metallurgy engineers more in order to have
development in india. major project remain incomplete because of lack of good
civil engineers who can design good and cheap ideas for making of roads,
railway. why is it that we have only one konkan railway type rail line while
foreign countries has thousand like this. why is that we have not got till now
the concept of viable highways, undergroung railways like these foreign
countries.
we had done enormous development in the field of software but nothing that
can increase the amenities.see example of delhi, the now the government has
tried to decrease traffic congestion in delhi, had it been many years before
thare has not been such traffic congestion as we see now.(you will see by
yourself when u came here )
so we need civil engineers in quite demand , but what the seen is much
different.i tell you the seen in north western part of india i.e. punjab,
haryana, hp,,j&k, chandigarh and i think same is prevelent in other parts.here
the total number of students studying civil engineering is about 1/50th of
those studying electronics and computer.so for one civil engineer we will have
50 computer and electronics engineer.so demand in north india is more of civil
engineer because of rough terrain, but we are producing software engineer is
negligible as there is few major software company in north western india,
which is producing 20000 software engineers everyyear.so where will they go,
obviuly some go to banglore (but only of reputed college) rest have no other
mean other than go abroad, while whole northwestern india cry for amenities,
lack of railway connection etc.punjab has highest number of people goin
abroad, this is the reason why.
this is also due to lack of jobs here as most of the work with govt, in
which corruption is in large scale.this has led to brain drain. it is duty of
government to help stop brain drain by diversifying the vocation then just
start opening colleges to please people. in andhra, karnataka, maharasta there
are about 200-300 colleges producing about 3-4lakh students , but where are
industries to take them. in these 2-3 lakh are just of one software , so where
they will go then going abroad. govt should try to diversify industry by
opening and promotong new sectors of food and agro processing, meta, oil
sector and privatise more to open up jobs in different fields for people.so
problem is in govt and not we, all need money to fend for themselves and in a
country where future is so much insecure we need more money for not only us
but for future generation.we only need to shift our misguided policy on right
track.
hope it is enough for mine side.
jai shri mahadev
Rajinder Singh Thakur..
III Year (B.E) ..
Electronics and Electrical Communication..
PUNJAB ENGINEERING COLLEGE..
CHANDIGARH..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion
topic "Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
jai shri mahadev
nice to hear something serious from your side after so much discussions on
delhi gettogether.brain drain has been plaguing india for quite some time ,
which has increased many time in subsequent years.but the problem is not only
og people but government also. seriouly speaking government itself is bent
upon meking workforce for these foreign countries. answer onething,in day to
day life which is needed more a computer engineer or a civil engineer.obviouly
in india we need civil, mechanical, metallurgy engineers more in order to have
development in india. major project remain incomplete because of lack of good
civil engineers who can design good and cheap ideas for making of roads,
railway. why is it that we have only one konkan railway type rail line while
foreign countries has thousand like this. why is that we have not got till now
the concept of viable highways, undergroung railways like these foreign
countries.
we had done enormous development in the field of software but nothing that
can increase the amenities.see example of delhi, the now the government has
tried to decrease traffic congestion in delhi, had it been many years before
thare has not been such traffic congestion as we see now.(you will see by
yourself when u came here )
so we need civil engineers in quite demand , but what the seen is much
different.i tell you the seen in north western part of india i.e. punjab,
haryana, hp,,j&k, chandigarh and i think same is prevelent in other parts.here
the total number of students studying civil engineering is about 1/50th of
those studying electronics and computer.so for one civil engineer we will have
50 computer and electronics engineer.so demand in north india is more of civil
engineer because of rough terrain, but we are producing software engineer is
negligible as there is few major software company in north western india,
which is producing 20000 software engineers everyyear.so where will they go,
obviuly some go to banglore (but only of reputed college) rest have no other
mean other than go abroad, while whole northwestern india cry for amenities,
lack of railway connection etc.punjab has highest number of people goin
abroad, this is the reason why.
this is also due to lack of jobs here as most of the work with govt, in
which corruption is in large scale.this has led to brain drain. it is duty of
government to help stop brain drain by diversifying the vocation then just
start opening colleges to please people. in andhra, karnataka, maharasta there
are about 200-300 colleges producing about 3-4lakh students , but where are
industries to take them. in these 2-3 lakh are just of one software , so where
they will go then going abroad. govt should try to diversify industry by
opening and promotong new sectors of food and agro processing, meta, oil
sector and privatise more to open up jobs in different fields for people.so
problem is in govt and not we, all need money to fend for themselves and in a
country where future is so much insecure we need more money for not only us
but for future generation.we only need to shift our misguided policy on right
track.
hope it is enough for mine side.
jai shri mahadev
Rajinder Singh Thakur..
III Year (B.E) ..
Electronics and Electrical Communication..
PUNJAB ENGINEERING COLLEGE..
CHANDIGARH
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Respected Rupa ji, "kekee aur pooch-pooch".
Regards,Thanks & Jai Mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dear Mangleshwarji
We meaning whoever is coming to this meet trust you four delhiyatees
completely!! We know that you will only choose da best, da quick, da funny, da
superb and da .....aree i got lost yaar!!
Chalo what it means is that NO need to worry since you have taken the
responsibility of helping us we will equally be happy to co-operate too!!
Do I make any sense to everyone in da Dehli meet group??
Arre haan bolna mujeh warna Icecream khani hai ki nahi??!! :-))
Regards
Rupaba
Mr mangleshwar singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello Everyone
We all have discussed (me Tarun ji,Vandana ji & Minaxi ji) and final this we
have got Sujan Bhai saheb's and Rupa ji's view but about all other members who
will a part of “Rajpoot Milan” like Ajitsa,Gyanenderaji,Bharatsa, Mahendersa
and all.
Regards, Thanks & Jai Mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT wrote:
Great Idea !!!!!! Rajghat and Nirula it is then.....
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In
[email protected], Minaxi Sarangdevot
wrote:
> Hi Vandana!
>
> I also agree with the venue.
> I hope everyone is ok with it.
>
> Regards
> Minaxi
>
>
> singh vandana wrote:
> Hello to all......
> Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and
then we can move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can
deisde fora movie or so......
> what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to
far from rajghat.........
> do let me know your view
> regards
> vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Dear Mangleshwarji
We meaning whoever is coming to this meet trust you four delhiyatees
completely!! We know that you will only choose da best, da quick, da funny, da
superb and da .....aree i got lost yaar!!
Chalo what it means is that NO need to worry since you have taken the
responsibility of helping us we will equally be happy to co-operate too!!
Do I make any sense to everyone in da Dehli meet group??
Arre haan bolna mujeh warna Icecream khani hai ki nahi??!! :-))
Regards
Rupaba
Mr mangleshwar singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Everyone
We all have discussed (me Tarun ji,Vandana ji & Minaxi ji) and final this we
have got Sujan Bhai saheb's and Rupa ji's view but about all other members who
will a part of “Rajpoot Milan” like Ajitsa,Gyanenderaji,Bharatsa, Mahendersa
and all.
Regards, Thanks & Jai Mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT wrote:
Great Idea !!!!!! Rajghat and Nirula it is then.....
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In [email protected], Minaxi Sarangdevot
wrote:
> Hi Vandana!
>
> I also agree with the venue.
> I hope everyone is ok with it.
>
> Regards
> Minaxi
>
>
> singh vandana wrote:
> Hello to all......
> Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and
then we can move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can
deisde fora movie or so......
> what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to
far from rajghat.........
> do let me know your view
> regards
> vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Hello Everyone
We all have discussed (me Tarun ji,Vandana ji & Minaxi ji) and final this we
have got Sujan Bhai saheb's and Rupa ji's view but about all other members who
will a part of “Rajpoot Milan” like Ajitsa,Gyanenderaji,Bharatsa, Mahendersa
and all.
Regards, Thanks & Jai Mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]>
wrote:
Great Idea !!!!!! Rajghat and Nirula it is then.....
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In
[email protected], Minaxi Sarangdevot
<myemailid01@y...> wrote:
> Hi Vandana!
>
> I also agree with the venue.
> I hope everyone is ok with it.
>
> Regards
> Minaxi
>
>
> singh vandana <vandi_singh@y...> wrote:
> Hello to all......
> Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and
then we can move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can
deisde fora movie or so......
> what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to
far from rajghat.........
> do let me know your view
> regards
> vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Re: Answer me if you can n no cheating
pls?! :-))
hehehehe hohohohohahahhahaha
I like da Bhains wala best!! can't stop laughing caz,,,aahh cant tell ya that
now can i??
:-))
Regards
Rupba
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT <[email protected]>
wrote:
Are Rupaba ....yahan to vaise hi dimag ki khicdi bani hui hai aur
upar se Aise tirche-mirche sawal ?????
Apun ke to kuch pale nahin pada !!!! Amma Yaar koi joke sunao nahin
to koi shayre sunaie....Chaliye hum aapko sher sunate hain....
"Hum tumahre dil mein rehte hain
aur bhada bhi nahin dete hai "
Ek aur ......
"Laila ki zulfe pakadkar majnu bola
moya kiten dino se sar nahin dhoya "
bus ek aur.....
"Tu mere dil mein aise samaye hai
Jaise chane ke khet mein bhains ghus aaye hai "
Hope you like it !!!
adn yse I argee taht spelilng is nto taht imropntnat.
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In [email protected], Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...>
wrote:
> See if you have answers to the following :
>
> 1. A murderer is condemned to death. He has to choose between three
rooms.The first is full of raging fires, the second is full of
assassins with
> loaded guns, and the third is full of lions that haven't eaten in 3
years.
> Which room is safest for him?
>
> 2. A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for
over 5 minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both
go out together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this
be?
>
> 3. A magician was boasting one day at how long he could hold his
breath under water. His record was 6 minutes. A kid that was
listening said, "thats nothing, I can stay under water for 10
minutes using no types of equipment or air pockets!" The magician
told t he kid if he could do that, he'd give him $10,000. The kid did
it and won the money. Can you figure out how?
>
> 4. There are two plastic jugs filled with water. How could you put
all of
> this water into a barrel, without using the jugs or any dividers,
and still
> tell which water came from which jug?
>
> 5. What is black when you buy it, red when you use it, and gray
when you throw it away?
>
> 6. Can you name three consecutive days without using the words
Monday,Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
>
> 7. This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious how quickly you can
find out what is so unusual about it? It looks so plain you would
think nothing was wrong with it! In fact, nothing is wrong with it!
It is unusual though.
> Study it, and think about it, but you still may not find anything
odd. But
> if you work at it a bit, you might find out! Try to do so without
any
> coaching!
>
> Scroll down for answers:-
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep trying
>
>
>>
>
>
> ANSWERS:-
> 1. The third. Lions that haven't eaten in three years are dead.
>
> 2. The woman was a photographer. She shot a picture of her husband,
> developed it, and hung it up to dry.
>
> 3. The kid filled a glass of water and held it over his head for 10
minutes
>
>
> 4. Freeze them first. Take them out of the jugs and put the ice in
the
> barrel. You will be able to tell which water came from which jug.
>
> 5. The answer is Charcoal. In Homer Simpson's words: hmmmm...
Barbecue.
>
> 6. Sure you can: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow!
>
> 7. The letter "e", which is the most common letter in the English
language, does not appear once in the long paragraph
>
> Did you pass?? NOPE I don't think so ;-))
>
> Regards
> Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Great Idea !!!!!! Rajghat and Nirula it is then.....
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In
[email protected], Minaxi Sarangdevot
<myemailid01@y...> wrote:
> Hi Vandana!
>
> I also agree with the venue.
> I hope everyone is ok with it.
>
> Regards
> Minaxi
>
>
> singh vandana <vandi_singh@y...> wrote:
> Hello to all......
> Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and
then we can move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can
deisde fora movie or so......
> what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to
far from rajghat.........
> do let me know your view
> regards
> vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:12 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re: Answer me if you can n no cheating pls?!
:-))
Are Rupaba ....yahan to vaise hi dimag ki khicdi bani hui hai aur
upar se Aise tirche-mirche sawal ?????
Apun ke to kuch pale nahin pada !!!! Amma Yaar koi joke sunao nahin
to koi shayre sunaie....Chaliye hum aapko sher sunate hain....
"Hum tumahre dil mein rehte hain
aur bhada bhi nahin dete hai "
Ek aur ......
"Laila ki zulfe pakadkar majnu bola
moya kiten dino se sar nahin dhoya "
bus ek aur.....
"Tu mere dil mein aise samaye hai
Jaise chane ke khet mein bhains ghus aaye hai "
Hope you like it !!!
adn yse I argee taht spelilng is nto taht imropntnat.
Sujan Shekhawat
--- In [email protected], Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...>
wrote:
> See if you have answers to the following :
>
> 1. A murderer is condemned to death. He has to choose between three
rooms.The first is full of raging fires, the second is full of
assassins with
> loaded guns, and the third is full of lions that haven't eaten in 3
years.
> Which room is safest for him?
>
> 2. A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for
over 5 minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both
go out together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this
be?
>
> 3. A magician was boasting one day at how long he could hold his
breath under water. His record was 6 minutes. A kid that was
listening said, "thats nothing, I can stay under water for 10
minutes using no types of equipment or air pockets!" The magician
told t he kid if he could do that, he'd give him $10,000. The kid did
it and won the money. Can you figure out how?
>
> 4. There are two plastic jugs filled with water. How could you put
all of
> this water into a barrel, without using the jugs or any dividers,
and still
> tell which water came from which jug?
>
> 5. What is black when you buy it, red when you use it, and gray
when you throw it away?
>
> 6. Can you name three consecutive days without using the words
Monday,Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
>
> 7. This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious how quickly you can
find out what is so unusual about it? It looks so plain you would
think nothing was wrong with it! In fact, nothing is wrong with it!
It is unusual though.
> Study it, and think about it, but you still may not find anything
odd. But
> if you work at it a bit, you might find out! Try to do so without
any
> coaching!
>
> Scroll down for answers:-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Ok now back on to serious discussion topic
"Brain Drain Of India" pls respond with your views!!
Dear Group
Jay Mataji to all!
Can you ever imagine a country without engineers, scientists, doctors and
other professionals? That is exactly what is happening in India.
According to latest media reports US and UK Corporations have caused the
ultimate brain drain in India. Most of the talented students are running after
dollar/pound driven outsourcing work from the US or UK, working and learning
IT and/or call centre work. It is estimated 78% of Indian engineers from
mechanical, Electrical, Electronics, Civil, Instrumentation, Chemical and
Biomedical engineering leave their field after graduation and work for BPO
companies like TCS, Wipro etc. If this is not brain drain then what is?
In the mean time India is facing acute shortage of talents in the fields of
science, engineering and technology. On the other hand the US and UK engineers
work on their own technical field and they shift the dirty but talent-needed
IT work to countries like India.
India faces shortage of people for high-end industrial work that is based on
research and development
A brain drain of highly-skilled professionals to well paid jobs in the first
world costs Asia billions of dollars each year but the traffic is not all one
way, a UN report found. The United Nations Development Programme's (UNDP)
Human
Development Report 2001 estimates India loses $2 billion a year in resources
because of the emigration of computer professionals to the United States
alone. The report made no mention of Indian remittances home.
It said about 100,000 Indians were expected to emigrate each year after new
visas were approved in the United States in October last, and the average
total cost to India of educating each one of them was between $15,000 and
$20,000.
But the report, to be released in Mexico city, Sydney and several other cities
on Tuesday, also noted that "diasporas", such as Indian computer professionals
in Silicon Valley in the United States, can enhance the country of origin's
reputation.
"The success of the Indian diasporas in Silicon Valley... appears to be
influencing how the world views India, by creating a sort of 'branding'," the
report said. "Indian nationality for a software programmer sends a signal of
quality just as a 'made in Japan' label signals first-class consumer
electronics," it said. The new transactional demand for information technology
specialists from India has led to a rapid expansion of suitable training at
home, increasingly by the private sector. "In a global market, people with the
right skills will naturally migrate to the high-tech, high-wage frontier,
wherever it is," said UNDP adviser Nancy Birdsall. "But we do see signs that
when countries create the right conditions -- including openness to new
investment and new ideas -- they can recapture some of what they have lost.
The Indians in Silicon Valley are an important part of Bangalore's success
For quite some time the Question of India's brain drain has been bugging me
and I have had many discussions with colleagues in UK and friends too but have
failed to accept that we Indians only run after pounds or dollars?!!
My personal feeling and understanding is that we as an human being thrive for
the betterment in our lives specially better living conditions for our selves
and our dear ones!! But now that our desire for the betterment for our selves
is causing India's infrastructure a greater deal of money as well as is
proving to be harmful to our country's progress as whole.
So my question to you is what can we do to improve this situation? Are their
any solutions at all?!!
Look forward to your contribution to this discussion and pls no need to take
it personally at all!! Just treat as food for thought thats all!!
Jay Mataji
Rupaba Jadeja
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Hi Vandana!
I also agree with the venue.
I hope everyone is ok with it.
Regards
Minaxi
singh vandana <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello to all......
Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and then we can
move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can deisde fora movie or
so......
what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to far from
rajghat.........
do let me know your view
regards
vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Answer me if you can n no cheating pls?!
:-))
Yes Rupa ji u think right. In reality I had done only two Answer 1 & 2.
Regards,Thanks & Jai mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]>
wrote:
See if you have answers to the following :
1. A murderer is condemned to death. He has to choose between three rooms.The
first is full of raging fires, the second is full of assassins with
loaded guns, and the third is full of lions that haven't eaten in 3 years.
Which room is safest for him?
2. A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for over 5
minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both go out together
and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this be?
3. A magician was boasting one day at how long he could hold his breath under
water. His record was 6 minutes. A kid that was listening said, "thats
nothing, I can stay under water for 10 minutes using no types of equipment or
air pockets!" The magician told t he kid if he could do that, he'd give him
$10,000. The kid did it and won the money. Can you figure out how?
4. There are two plastic jugs filled with water. How could you put all of
this water into a barrel, without using the jugs or any dividers, and still
tell which water came from which jug?
5. What is black when you buy it, red when you use it, and gray when you throw
it away?
6. Can you name three consecutive days without using the words Monday,Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
7. This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious how quickly you can find out what
is so unusual about it? It looks so plain you would think nothing was wrong
with it! In fact, nothing is wrong with it! It is unusual though.
Study it, and think about it, but you still may not find anything odd. But
if you work at it a bit, you might find out! Try to do so without any
coaching!
Scroll down for answers:-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Answer me if you can n no cheating pls?!
:-))
See if you have answers to the following :
1. A murderer is condemned to death. He has to choose between three rooms.The
first is full of raging fires, the second is full of assassins with
loaded guns, and the third is full of lions that haven't eaten in 3 years.
Which room is safest for him?
2. A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for over 5
minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both go out together
and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this be?
3. A magician was boasting one day at how long he could hold his breath under
water. His record was 6 minutes. A kid that was listening said, "thats
nothing, I can stay under water for 10 minutes using no types of equipment or
air pockets!" The magician told t he kid if he could do that, he'd give him
$10,000. The kid did it and won the money. Can you figure out how?
4. There are two plastic jugs filled with water. How could you put all of
this water into a barrel, without using the jugs or any dividers, and still
tell which water came from which jug?
5. What is black when you buy it, red when you use it, and gray when you throw
it away?
6. Can you name three consecutive days without using the words Monday,Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
7. This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious how quickly you can find out what
is so unusual about it? It looks so plain you would think nothing was wrong
with it! In fact, nothing is wrong with it! It is unusual though.
Study it, and think about it, but you still may not find anything odd. But
if you work at it a bit, you might find out! Try to do so without any
coaching!
Scroll down for answers:-
Keep trying
ANSWERS:-
1. The third. Lions that haven't eaten in three years are dead.
2. The woman was a photographer. She shot a picture of her husband,
developed it, and hung it up to dry.
3. The kid filled a glass of water and held it over his head for 10 minutes
4. Freeze them first. Take them out of the jugs and put the ice in the
barrel. You will be able to tell which water came from which jug.
5. The answer is Charcoal. In Homer Simpson's words: hmmmm... Barbecue.
6. Sure you can: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow!
7. The letter "e", which is the most common letter in the English language,
does not appear once in the long paragraph
Did you pass?? NOPE I don't think so ;-))
Regards
Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Is Spelling Important?
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg
The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.
The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs
is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod
as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.
Regards to all
Rupaba
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Hi Vandana
What you say below ie meet at Rajghat and then go to nirulas sounds kool n
it's fine by me.......can you please book some palce/tables at nirulas for say
some 20 ppl approx so that we do not have to wait?!! thx for all your help
dear!!
Regards
Rupa
singh vandana <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello to all......
Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and then we can
move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can deisde fora movie or
so......
what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to far from
rajghat.........
do let me know your view
regards
vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] only for delhi meet list
Hello to all......
Well let us all meet at rajghat have an intoductory session and then we can
move to nirulas to fill our stomach and then we can deisde fora movie or
so......
what do all others suggest as to go to a highway dhaba will be to far from
rajghat.........
do let me know your view
regards
vandana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] vandana ji.....
hi
ya you are correct as per your angrazi gyan. that was a typing mistake.....and
by the way if you wanna pull my leg pull them both together else ek bada
hogayega aur ek original size ka......i will have to limp and walk.........
bye
vandana
Bhuppi <[email protected]> wrote:
I am pasting some part of ur reply "If she was given a chance to natare it she
would do it in the exact words." was it natare or narrate ?
mere angrezi gyaan ke hisaab se narrate hi hona chahiye ......jus kidding
...pulling ur leg
"Die hard"
Raghaw
singh vandana <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi.........
you know it was just wonderfull. As i thaught about one of my freind in call
centre.......she is also a rajput but a real selfish use and throw types. If
she was given a chance to natare it she would do it in the exact words.
regards
vandana
Bhuppi <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi and Pranam to all,
I am sending this forwarded mail to you all...i received it from one of my
frens so don think i have my wicked mind behind this ....but this is something
i really want to know ...are "Second Generation" indians in U.S so ignorant
about their culture and roots :) just got curious after receiving this mail
I hope i don offend neone ;)
A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to explain
the significance of "Diwali" to his younger brother, this is how he went about
it...
" So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked him. But,
like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and she forced her
husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to some national forest or
something... Since he was going, for like, something like more than 10 years
or so.. he decided to get his wife and his bro along... you know...so that
they could all chill out together. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary
shit... really man... they had monkeys and devils and shit like that. But this
dude, Ram, kicked ass with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.
But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his babe (Sita)
and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and also his bro, Laxman,
pissed... And you don't piss this son-of-a-gun cuz, he just kicks ass and
like... all the gods were with him... So anyways,you don't mess with gods. So,
Ram, and his bro get an army of monkeys.. Dude, don't ask me how they trained
the damn monkeys... just go along with me, ok... ..
so, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own hood.
Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest..and anyways...it gets
kinda boring,you know... no TV or malls or shit like that. So,they decided to
hitch a ride back home... and when the people realize that our dude, his bro
and the wife are back home... they thought, well, you know, at least they
deserve something nice... and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those
days... so they couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to
smoke and shit...and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps
also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those fireworks...Really,
they even had some local band play along with the fireworks...and you know,
what, dude, that was the very first, no kidding.., that
was the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you know, like the 4th of
July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you know. And, so dude, that was
how, like, this festival
"Die Hard"
Raghaw
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:05 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Information about Infosys Recruitment
Process
Dear Mambers,
Jai Mata Ji Ki.
I got some information about infosys recruitment
process. I would like to share it with you. It will be
helpful for those members who are doing B.E./B.Tech.
And would like to join infosys.
---------------------- INFOSYS Pattern
--------------------
Infosys test consists of 10 puzzles for 50 marks which
You have to
solve in 1 hr. Mostly you have to get at least 7 or 8
correct. Each
questions may carry different mark. Then a Basic
English test of 45
questions which you have to answer in 30 minutes. No
negative
marking. Mostly like GRE type.
Above all Infosys has also changed it's recruitment
process from Feb
2003. The good news is, once u clear the test u will
be placed as a
trainee for 1 year and then in a probation period of 3
months. No
Interview at all. Cool ... isn't it. After the
probation period u
will be absorbed as regular employee depending on
their requirement
and your performance.
Information from a mail
" The post is for "Software Engineer Trainee" A fixed
salary of Rs
15000/- p.m will be given to who ever get through the
test. There
won't be be any interview. A rigorous 3 1/2 months
training will be
given followed by tests, quizzes etc, if you get
thrrough this you
will have to continue for 1 full year as trainee after
which
depending upon your performance you will be absorbed
on regular basis
and if you fail after 3 1/2 months you will only be
given a
certificate that you have undergone a training under
Infosys. Results
will be intimated within 3 weeks of the test. "
Again ... the recruitment process might have changed
by the time you
read this. So better verify with reliable sources and
get confirmed.
As a policy, there has to be a gap of at least 9
months between any
two-selection processes with Infosys. So once you
appear for any
Infosys test/interview, you are not eligible for
appearing any of the
Infosys selection process in the next 9 months. If you
try to cheat
them, you will be caught while verifying your
certificates. So don't
masquerade.
Don't keep on sending your resumes to them. Apply once
and forget it
( unless your mail bounces back or u receive a failure
delivery ).
Your resume will be in their database and they will
definitely call
in the coming weeks. So wait for your turn.
The most suggested books for Infosys test are
Sakuntala Devi's puzzle books
George Summers book
Barrons GRE Guide ( section 6 in model test papers at
the end )
Usually the test will be intimated to u 10 days in
advance. So use
those 10 days to the fullest. Do workout the puzzles
in the book. If
any of you got a job do share your experience with Us.
Friendly mails are welcome. But please don't send
resumes toUs. We
have put forth all the information that We knew about
Infosys.
ENGLISH TEST
Initially, before Feb 2003 they used to ask an essay
type question
for 15 minutes (you will be given two topics and
choose any one). But
from February 22 2003, Infosys has changed it's test
pattern. Instead
of the essay type questions they had introduced a test
in Basic
English. You will be given 30 minutes to complete 45
objective
questions with choices. No negative marking. You need
to encircle the
right choice. Each question carries 1 mark. Better
answer all the
questions in this section.
A sample English test asked in April 2003 :1. Simple
Comprehension on
environmental pollution- followed by 3 questions on
the theme of the
comprehension, objective etc.
2. Some fill in the blanks for words and phrases.
3. Some two sentences were given, it was asked to
detect which one is
correct. Both the sentences were almost same only very
minor
differences relating misspelling of a word.
4. One word substitution like: (4 choices for each
question)
a). A man who excessively bothers about ones own
health is called -
hypochondriac
b). The scientific term used for genetically changes
resulting from
constant radiation is called -- mutation
5. Meaning of phrases like Status Quo pro, etc
6. A continuous passage segregated into several
sentences each having
a blank to be filled in from choice so that the entire
paragraph
sounds complete.
7. Grammatical Error detections
How To Apply
You can directly send resumes to : [email protected]
For freshers, it won't make any difference even if you
forward
through an employee or directly send to that mail ID.
Even if you
send resume to a person working in Infosys, they have
to forward to
the same mail ID.
And before sending resumes to Infosys HR mail-ID
([email protected]),
pleass note :
1. 10 th, Inter, Engineering percentages should be 75,
70 and 75
respectively.
2. Date of Birth must be after January 1 st, 1979 for
B.Tech
students.
3. You should not have taken the Infosys test or
interview in the
last 9 months.
4. Write Your Full Name, Date of Birth, 10 th, Inter,
Engineering
percentages at the top of resume clearly. They are
mandatory. If they
are not present, your resume will be DELETED
straight-away. In fact,
no other details are required in resume. Don't write
all nonsense
like " I am a synonym of hard work " etc.
5. Also NEVER write your percentages Semester wise or
Year-wise. Just
write the aggregate percentage. That's more than
sufficient. No one
is going to read your complete resume.
If you don't satisfy any of the above criteria, your
resumes will be
DELETED by the HR straight-away. So, no use of sending
them. Also
note that : Even if you meet all these criteria, you
may NOT get the
call letter sometimes. You are not the only one
applying for the job.
When the number of resumes received are in lakhs, they
will give call
letters only to few thousands. It depends on your
LUCK. So, if don't
get call letter, either wait for some time or apply
for the next
test. There is no other option.
If you are less than 3 years experienced, send resumes
to:
[email protected]
If you are more than 3 years of experience, send
resume to one
working in Infosys. They will forward.
Even for experienced people all the above rules apply
(Except DATE OF
BIRTH rule) and the mentioned details are required in
resume.
With Regards
Jaideep Singh Bhati
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] thanks
kiran ji,
For whom is this message for ?
I really don have ne clue ?
"Die Hard"
Raghaw
Kiran Kumar <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi
After 7pm UK time, working days, will be comfortable if you want to
communicate with.
Regards
Kiran
jay chauhan <[email protected]>
wrote:
jay mataji
thanks to approved my application ..
take care
bye
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] thanks
Hi
After 7pm UK time, working days, will be comfortable if you want to
communicate with.
Regards
Kiran
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] To D K Singhji.............
Doodho nahava puto phala Rupa ji,
Ooka kahat hain ki hamra logon ke machingunwa ka kauno jaroorat nahi ba. Haman
to eisai z security me bahi. Aur haan agar aap hamra ganv me janhiyen ta sabke
hamar parnaam bol dehiyanie. Aur bataiy deheyai ki hamara log bilkulai theek
bahe. Kauno chinta fikir ka jaroorat nahi ba. Eenha america me bhi khubo doodh
dahi aur phal wal ka intazam hauye. Haan agar thrika satua aur anchar unha se
bhej dehiye ta theek ba nahi ta waise bhi kamwa ta chali jatba.
Tohar,
Dineshwa
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Paye laagu Babuji
hum ek picture dekha hu laoojika aur jiyara ma aai gayal hai ki sasura ek
machingunwa kharid he lebo taki oo ka kahat hai khudka Z sekureety bhi hoye
jabel aur kono sasura saame zaban ladayeel to dhicchhaoo dhichhaoo.......ki
kahat ho babuji...kharid lebo ka hum!!
Tanik bata debo humka to oo ka hai ki humra jiyara me bhi tanik santosh aai
jabel.....
hehehhee
Aur haan hamka time milel bhayee to hum tohar gaaw jaroor jaeebel sabahu ko
ram ram karne ki khatir!!
:-))
Jay ramji ki..babuji..
Tohar Rupwa....
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Rupa Ji Khush raha,
Tohar chithia padh ke jiyara me tanik santos aai gayal. Ab ee sabe rajput bhai
logan ke samajh me aai jaye ki hamra ke undekhi karab theek nahi ba. Nahi ta
phir Rupa ji ka Gussa ee logan ke samajh me khubo aai jaye ( Kachoomber bane
ke bad ta bade bade manai (person) jaise Mahendar Rana ji ke aur Rajinder
thakur ke bhi samajh me aai jayi). Aur haan, Banarsi Mithai, Sari, bhojpuri
aur Banarasi masti ka kauno jabab nahi ba. Ooka kahat hain ki Banaras ke
batiyai kuch aur ba. Oo ek farsi shayer (poet, poetwa) bahut pahilawain likhle
raha ki " Haalule Banarsa Chashme baddu". Ta bhaiya baat jab- jab mithai ka
chali tab tab banarasi manai (person) ke muhe me ta jaroor pani aai jaye. Aur
agar kehu kahe ki Oo mithai bhejai walaba ta sachchi kahe ki ose meeth (
sweet) manai (person) doosar kauno nahi ba. Ta ab chithi patri kari band aur
johi mithai ka rah (rasta).
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Jay raamji ki babuji
ee ka kahat rahiba?? Aree konoka himmat nahee ki tohar khabar nahee na puchhi?
tanik humka bata debo uss sasurwa na naam!! ooka mar mar ke kachoomber na
nikal dehee!! waisen ek baat batawa...tohar banaras maai hum suna hoo ki
mithai bahut achhi banbe? ee sachh hott ka? to ooka hai ke hum sochat rahi ki
thoda mithai tohar liye bhejbe ka dillie se layeeke?? sahi bolbe na hum??
Paye lagu babuji
:-))
Rupwa
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Ab ka kahe ki hum kanha hai. Ee mastery (teaching) se phursat jab mile tab na
darshan de. Phir website par to dilli walan ka bahar ba. Janhwa dekha unhi
khaibe ke piyabe ke aur icecream ke thela ka baat chalat ba. Ab yeh bheer bhar
me hamara banaras walan ke ke puchat ba. Kehu nai puchches ki bhaiyya tohaun
kuch karba. nai kuch ta ice cream ka thela ta lagai sakat rahe. Pur ka kahi,
ab jawan logan ka jamana ai ga ba. Samay ka pher dekh ke chup mari ke baitha
bahi.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected sir
Prannam!!
Waise aaj kaal aap ho kaha ji??! bilkul dikhayee nahi dete ho?? or darsan dete
ho to wo bhi sir one liner ke?? are kamskam aap to eetni kanjoosimat karo?? ya
fir ye sare Delhi wale hote hi aaise hai??
KANJOOS!!
lagta hai aub to mai jaroor delhi walose pitne wali hu...hehhhhehe
Regards to all
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Mangleshwar Ji ab to Rupa ji ne bhi hari jhandi dikha diya hai.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja wrote:
I second that!!
really Mangleshwarji please do write in english......
woh kya hai na ki hume aapki sudh hindi nahi aati kyoki hum to thahre unpadh
gawwar. Aur agar aap ne hamari baat nahi mani to hum Delhi me Morcha leke
aayenge or english me naare lagayeenge aapke liye......
Pure deshi esstayeel mai!! hehhehehhe
Regards
Rupaba
deekay singh wrote:
Mangleshwar Ji,
You were really writing good english so keep it up. I know you are excellent
in "Shudha Hindi" and express it better in that language but you will have to
take sanyas from that language for time being. Pull of Hindi ( Hindi off
course is one of the sweetest languages I have known, Matribhasha jo Thahari)
is so great that you will have to put efforts not to use it for some time on
this plateform. Keep expressing in English even if you feel it is difficult
doing that. Because at that moment your vocabulary will grow and you will
search for better words. So now you are not permitted to write in Hindi till
you yourself is confident in English. After that we will welcome you and your
Hindi. Moderators please help us.
Dinesh K. Singh Naruka
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:59 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] vandana ji.....
I am pasting some part of ur reply "If she was given a chance to natare
it she would do it in the exact words." was it natare or narrate ?
mere angrezi gyaan ke hisaab se narrate hi hona chahiye ......jus kidding
...pulling ur leg
"Die hard"
Raghaw
singh vandana <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi.........
you know it was just wonderfull. As i thaught about one of my freind in call
centre.......she is also a rajput but a real selfish use and throw types. If
she was given a chance to natare it she would do it in the exact words.
regards
vandana
Bhuppi <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi and Pranam to all,
I am sending this forwarded mail to you all...i received it from one of my
frens so don think i have my wicked mind behind this ....but this is something
i really want to know ...are "Second Generation" indians in U.S so ignorant
about their culture and roots :) just got curious after receiving this mail
I hope i don offend neone ;)
A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to explain
the significance of "Diwali" to his younger brother, this is how he went about
it...
" So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked him. But,
like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and she forced her
husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to some national forest or
something... Since he was going, for like, something like more than 10 years
or so.. he decided to get his wife and his bro along... you know...so that
they could all chill out together. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary
shit... really man... they had monkeys and devils and shit like that. But this
dude, Ram, kicked ass with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.
But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his babe (Sita)
and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and also his bro, Laxman,
pissed... And you don't piss this son-of-a-gun cuz, he just kicks ass and
like... all the gods were with him... So anyways,you don't mess with gods. So,
Ram, and his bro get an army of monkeys.. Dude, don't ask me how they trained
the damn monkeys... just go along with me, ok... ..
so, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own hood.
Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest..and anyways...it gets
kinda boring,you know... no TV or malls or shit like that. So,they decided to
hitch a ride back home... and when the people realize that our dude, his bro
and the wife are back home... they thought, well, you know, at least they
deserve something nice... and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those
days... so they couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to
smoke and shit...and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps
also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those fireworks...Really,
they even had some local band play along with the fireworks...and you know,
what, dude, that was the very first, no kidding.., that
was the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you know, like the 4th of
July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you know. And, so dude, that was
how, like, this festival
"Die Hard"
Raghaw
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] thanks
jay mataji
thanks to approved my application ..
take care
bye
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Enjoy and do reply ....
Hi.........
you know it was just wonderfull. As i thaught about one of my freind in call
centre.......she is also a rajput but a real selfish use and throw types. If
she was given a chance to natare it she would do it in the exact words.
regards
vandana
Bhuppi <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi and Pranam to all,
I am sending this forwarded mail to you all...i received it from one of my
frens so don think i have my wicked mind behind this ....but this is something
i really want to know ...are "Second Generation" indians in U.S so ignorant
about their culture and roots :) just got curious after receiving this mail
I hope i don offend neone ;)
A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to explain
the significance of "Diwali" to his younger brother, this is how he went about
it...
" So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked him. But,
like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and she forced her
husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to some national forest or
something... Since he was going, for like, something like more than 10 years
or so.. he decided to get his wife and his bro along... you know...so that
they could all chill out together. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary
shit... really man... they had monkeys and devils and shit like that. But this
dude, Ram, kicked ass with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.
But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his babe (Sita)
and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and also his bro, Laxman,
pissed... And you don't piss this son-of-a-gun cuz, he just kicks ass and
like... all the gods were with him... So anyways,you don't mess with gods. So,
Ram, and his bro get an army of monkeys.. Dude, don't ask me how they trained
the damn monkeys... just go along with me, ok... ..
so, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own hood.
Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest..and anyways...it gets
kinda boring,you know... no TV or malls or shit like that. So,they decided to
hitch a ride back home... and when the people realize that our dude, his bro
and the wife are back home... they thought, well, you know, at least they
deserve something nice... and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those
days... so they couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to
smoke and shit...and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps
also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those fireworks...Really,
they even had some local band play along with the fireworks...and you know,
what, dude, that was the very first, no kidding.., that
was the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you know, like the 4th of
July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you know. And, so dude, that was
how, like, this festival
"Die Hard"
Raghaw
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:13 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] A request ...
Hi and pranam to all ...
If you all remeber ...there was a poem on Maharana pratap's horse Chetak.....I
have read that poem N number of times and even remebered it by heart when i
was i school...but now .....I am not able to find this poem anywhere on
Internet.... ...I am sure it is there in 7 standard N.C.E.R.T hindi book....I
don have accees to hindi books here in Uk. If someone could please type over
the poem for on mail ...:)
i am 22 but i like that poem very much ...please if someone could do the need
ful for me ....
thanks ...waiting for response...
"Die Hard "
Raghaw
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Enjoy and do reply ....
Hi and Pranam to all,
I am sending this forwarded mail to you all...i received it from one of my
frens so don think i have my wicked mind behind this ....but this is something
i really want to know ...are "Second Generation" indians in U.S so ignorant
about their culture and roots :) just got curious after receiving this mail
I hope i don offend neone ;)
A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to explain
the significance of "Diwali" to his younger brother, this is how he went about
it...
" So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked him. But,
like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and she forced her
husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to some national forest or
something... Since he was going, for like, something like more than 10 years
or so.. he decided to get his wife and his bro along... you know...so that
they could all chill out together. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary
shit... really man... they had monkeys and devils and shit like that. But this
dude, Ram, kicked ass with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.
But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his babe (Sita)
and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and also his bro, Laxman,
pissed... And you don't piss this son-of-a-gun cuz, he just kicks ass and
like... all the gods were with him... So anyways,you don't mess with gods. So,
Ram, and his bro get an army of monkeys.. Dude, don't ask me how they trained
the damn monkeys... just go along with me, ok... ..
so, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own hood.
Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest..and anyways...it gets
kinda boring,you know... no TV or malls or shit like that. So,they decided to
hitch a ride back home... and when the people realize that our dude, his bro
and the wife are back home... they thought, well, you know, at least they
deserve something nice... and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those
days... so they couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to
smoke and shit...and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps
also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those fireworks...Really,
they even had some local band play along with the fireworks...and you know,
what, dude, that was the very first, no kidding.., that
was the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you know, like the 4th of
July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you know. And, so dude, that was
how, like, this festival
"Die Hard"
Raghaw
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] To D K Singhji.............
Paye laagu Babuji
hum ek picture dekha hu laoojika aur jiyara ma aai gayal hai ki sasura ek
machingunwa kharid he lebo taki oo ka kahat hai khudka Z sekureety bhi hoye
jabel aur kono sasura saame zaban ladayeel to dhicchhaoo dhichhaoo.......ki
kahat ho babuji...kharid lebo ka hum!!
Tanik bata debo humka to oo ka hai ki humra jiyara me bhi tanik santosh aai
jabel.....
hehehhee
Aur haan hamka time milel bhayee to hum tohar gaaw jaroor jaeebel sabahu ko
ram ram karne ki khatir!!
:-))
Jay ramji ki..babuji..
Tohar Rupwa....
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Rupa Ji Khush raha,
Tohar chithia padh ke jiyara me tanik santos aai gayal. Ab ee sabe rajput bhai
logan ke samajh me aai jaye ki hamra ke undekhi karab theek nahi ba. Nahi ta
phir Rupa ji ka Gussa ee logan ke samajh me khubo aai jaye ( Kachoomber bane
ke bad ta bade bade manai (person) jaise Mahendar Rana ji ke aur Rajinder
thakur ke bhi samajh me aai jayi). Aur haan, Banarsi Mithai, Sari, bhojpuri
aur Banarasi masti ka kauno jabab nahi ba. Ooka kahat hain ki Banaras ke
batiyai kuch aur ba. Oo ek farsi shayer (poet, poetwa) bahut pahilawain likhle
raha ki " Haalule Banarsa Chashme baddu". Ta bhaiya baat jab- jab mithai ka
chali tab tab banarasi manai (person) ke muhe me ta jaroor pani aai jaye. Aur
agar kehu kahe ki Oo mithai bhejai walaba ta sachchi kahe ki ose meeth (
sweet) manai (person) doosar kauno nahi ba. Ta ab chithi patri kari band aur
johi mithai ka rah (rasta).
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Jay raamji ki babuji
ee ka kahat rahiba?? Aree konoka himmat nahee ki tohar khabar nahee na puchhi?
tanik humka bata debo uss sasurwa na naam!! ooka mar mar ke kachoomber na
nikal dehee!! waisen ek baat batawa...tohar banaras maai hum suna hoo ki
mithai bahut achhi banbe? ee sachh hott ka? to ooka hai ke hum sochat rahi ki
thoda mithai tohar liye bhejbe ka dillie se layeeke?? sahi bolbe na hum??
Paye lagu babuji
:-))
Rupwa
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Ab ka kahe ki hum kanha hai. Ee mastery (teaching) se phursat jab mile tab na
darshan de. Phir website par to dilli walan ka bahar ba. Janhwa dekha unhi
khaibe ke piyabe ke aur icecream ke thela ka baat chalat ba. Ab yeh bheer bhar
me hamara banaras walan ke ke puchat ba. Kehu nai puchches ki bhaiyya tohaun
kuch karba. nai kuch ta ice cream ka thela ta lagai sakat rahe. Pur ka kahi,
ab jawan logan ka jamana ai ga ba. Samay ka pher dekh ke chup mari ke baitha
bahi.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected sir
Prannam!!
Waise aaj kaal aap ho kaha ji??! bilkul dikhayee nahi dete ho?? or darsan dete
ho to wo bhi sir one liner ke?? are kamskam aap to eetni kanjoosimat karo?? ya
fir ye sare Delhi wale hote hi aaise hai??
KANJOOS!!
lagta hai aub to mai jaroor delhi walose pitne wali hu...hehhhhehe
Regards to all
Rupaba
deekay singh <[email protected]> wrote:
Mangleshwar Ji ab to Rupa ji ne bhi hari jhandi dikha diya hai.
Dinesh
Rupa Jadeja wrote:
I second that!!
really Mangleshwarji please do write in english......
woh kya hai na ki hume aapki sudh hindi nahi aati kyoki hum to thahre unpadh
gawwar. Aur agar aap ne hamari baat nahi mani to hum Delhi me Morcha leke
aayenge or english me naare lagayeenge aapke liye......
Pure deshi esstayeel mai!! hehhehehhe
Regards
Rupaba
deekay singh wrote:
Mangleshwar Ji,
You were really writing good english so keep it up. I know you are excellent
in "Shudha Hindi" and express it better in that language but you will have to
take sanyas from that language for time being. Pull of Hindi ( Hindi off
course is one of the sweetest languages I have known, Matribhasha jo Thahari)
is so great that you will have to put efforts not to use it for some time on
this plateform. Keep expressing in English even if you feel it is difficult
doing that. Because at that moment your vocabulary will grow and you will
search for better words. So now you are not permitted to write in Hindi till
you yourself is confident in English. After that we will welcome you and your
Hindi. Moderators please help us.
Dinesh K. Singh Naruka
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Italy
Dear Shri Chudasama ji,
Jai Mata ji & Ghanni Khamma !!
Thank you very much. I will try to meet them.
With best regards
Mahendra Rathore
Mumbai
"M. B. Chudasama" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dear Mahendraji Rathore,
Near Duomo Square ( which is famous land mark within heart of Milan, Italy )
there is Indian Restaurant with Gujarati Thali ( I forget exact name but you
can check it with more famous and more popular Sarala Indian Restaurant there
which is mainly for south Indian dishes while this one is Punjabi and North
Indian dishes with Guharati Thali owned by one Punjabi). I once came across
one gentleman introduce to me by that restaurant owner Lala Mehta ( he too
bears Gujarati like surname but he is actually Punjabi ) told me that he too
is Rajput Banda. Only brief talk I had, he told his name Ranjit Bawa and told
me that he is migrated to Italy many years before from Pakistan but his root
is originally from Kutch and was speaking nice Guajarati and Kutchi. Though
Italian citizen now but his personality was really worth Rajput like having
big sharp curved mustache (can even hold lemon on it!!) and harsh looking eyes
can easily get role of some villain in Bollywood movie !! He invi ted me to
his place but caz of lack of time I could not go to him. I don't have any of
his detail now but that Restaurant owner must know him to trace out. I don't
have more idea about him but I remember some thing he works for security and
safety officer for that world famous Milan Foot Ball federation and stadium
complex which has given many celebrity foot ball players in sports history.
In case you happen to go Milan can try to meet this gentleman.
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: mahendra rathore
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Italy
Dear all RW members,
I am planning to visit Italy during last week of November 2004. This is my
regular business trip.
Kindly do let me know if any RW member is there in Italy.
With best regards
Mahendra Rathore
Mumbai
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Italy
Dear Mahendraji Rathore,
Near Duomo Square ( which is famous land mark within heart of Milan, Italy )
there is Indian Restaurant with Gujarati Thali ( I forget exact name but you
can check it with more famous and more popular Sarala Indian Restaurant there
which is mainly for south Indian dishes while this one is Punjabi and North
Indian dishes with Guharati Thali owned by one Punjabi). I once came across
one gentleman introduce to me by that restaurant owner Lala Mehta ( he too
bears Gujarati like surname but he is actually Punjabi ) told me that he too
is Rajput Banda. Only brief talk I had, he told his name Ranjit Bawa and told
me that he is migrated to Italy many years before from Pakistan but his root
is originally from Kutch and was speaking nice Guajarati and Kutchi. Though
Italian citizen now but his personality was really worth Rajput like having
big sharp curved mustache (can even hold lemon on it!!) and harsh looking eyes
can easily get role of some villain in Bollywood movie !! He invi ted me to
his place but caz of lack of time I could not go to him. I don't have any of
his detail now but that Restaurant owner must know him to trace out. I don't
have more idea about him but I remember some thing he works for security and
safety officer for that world famous Milan Foot Ball federation and stadium
complex which has given many celebrity foot ball players in sports history.
In case you happen to go Milan can try to meet this gentleman.
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: mahendra rathore
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Italy
Dear all RW members,
I am planning to visit Italy during last week of November 2004. This is my
regular business trip.
Kindly do let me know if any RW member is there in Italy.
With best regards
Mahendra Rathore
Mumbai
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Italy
Dear all RW members,
I am planning to visit Italy during last week of November 2004. This is my
regular business trip.
Kindly do let me know if any RW member is there in Italy.
With best regards
Mahendra Rathore
Mumbai
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] File - Monthly reminder to members
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Delhi Get-together : VENUE & TIME?
hi....
I am so sorry that that i havent yet posed my number...it slipped out of my
mind. My number is 9868405505. Its not that i am the main selector we all have
to select some place its just that i have suggested a few places.
Rest is fine
vandana
Mr mangleshwar singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello Sujan bhai saheb and all members
Thanks for your info and we are waiting of this visit. I want to inform that I
have not car and I also want to suggest that we will meet the fixed place
which will finalized by you people. I am already mailed my contact no. but we
haven’t Vandana’s contact no. although she is main selector of the Venue I had
talked with Minaxi ji and also want to discuss with Vandana ji so please
provide us contact no. Rest is ok.
Regards,Thanks & Jai mata ki
Mangleshwar Singh
SUJAN S SHEKHAWAT wrote:
Dear All, this is regarding the delhi gathering. I think we have
almost finalised the details of this rajput meet.Let me answer the
questions as asked specifically by Vijaysa.
VENUE- DELHI------ As suggested by Vandanaji, Meenaxiji and
Mangleshwarji we can start with a lunch at either Haldiram's or
Nirula which ever we finally settle for.
DATE- 2nd Jan.-05 (Sunday)
TIME- I would say we can meet at some place (say rajghat as suggested
before by someone) introduce ourselves,have a light chat and then
head for a predecided place for lunch and then as the day grows the
group can decide to do a lot of things like going for a movie or may
be appu ghar !!! So I would say typically the participating member
should be willing to spend the entire day with the group. But it
doesn't have to be that way necessarily. If anyone wants to leave
early he is more than welcome to do so.
CONTACT NO.- I will list the phone no.s of the participating members
and post a message on the group website. There is as such no
organiser for this meet everyone knows the details of the meet so you
can contact anyone. Let me request the participating members to send
me a personal message with their contact details. I will upload them
in a file on the group website.
FAMILY/FRIENDS- Of course......everybody is welcome !!!!! but, I
hope I am speaking on behalf of everyone, only rajputs should attend
this meet !!!!
COMMUTATION- As suggested by bharatsa if we have enough cars we don't
need to hire a cab. But I have no idea how many of the participating
members have cars. I don't have one. Again let me have you all
respond to the following question
Who among the participating members have cars and will they be
willing to drive around the group in delhi ??
If we cannot arrange for enough cars then of course we will hire a
cab.
untill later !!
Sujan Shekhawat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:10 AM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Delhi Get-together : VENUE & TIME?
Dear All, this is regarding the delhi gathering. I think we have
almost finalised the details of this rajput meet.Let me answer the
questions as asked specifically by Vijaysa.
VENUE- DELHI------ As suggested by Vandanaji, Meenaxiji and
Mangleshwarji we can start with a lunch at either Haldiram's or
Nirula which ever we finally settle for.
DATE- 2nd Jan.-05 (Sunday)
TIME- I would say we can meet at some place (say rajghat as suggested
before by someone) introduce ourselves,have a light chat and then
head for a predecided place for lunch and then as the day grows the
group can decide to do a lot of things like going for a movie or may
be appu ghar !!! So I would say typically the participating member
should be willing to spend the entire day with the group. But it
doesn't have to be that way necessarily. If anyone wants to leave
early he is more than welcome to do so.
CONTACT NO.- I will list the phone no.s of the participating members
and post a message on the group website. There is as such no
organiser for this meet everyone knows the details of the meet so you
can contact anyone. Let me request the participating members to send
me a personal message with their contact details. I will upload them
in a file on the group website.
FAMILY/FRIENDS- Of course......everybody is welcome !!!!! but, I
hope I am speaking on behalf of everyone, only rajputs should attend
this meet !!!!
COMMUTATION- As suggested by bharatsa if we have enough cars we don't
need to hire a cab. But I have no idea how many of the participating
members have cars. I don't have one. Again let me have you all
respond to the following question
Who among the participating members have cars and will they be
willing to drive around the group in delhi ??
If we cannot arrange for enough cars then of course we will hire a
cab.
untill later !!
Sujan Shekhawat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re: Sorry
Dear Jaydeepsinhji,
You need not go in hide or go inactive in message posting or no need even
for this much big "sorry". There is nothing big offense or crime committed
may be you hurriedly miscommunicated. I think your invitation for that
Shanksrsinghji Vagehela's group may for that Shakti Dal he has formed but
that is all old storey. It was during last parliamentary election he formed
it to counter RSS and Bajrang Dal and it is all choice of each individual to
be part or not. This cyber group is not connected with any particular party
or leader. It is all up to each individual member to decide whom they
support or whom to oppose. This is not political forum for any particular
party and so is open for all.
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: "jaydeep_gohil" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Sorry
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I am really very sorry for hurting you all, but beieve me i dont ever
> mean to hurt any one feeling. If i had commited any mistake in any
> case please please forgive me. I dont mean to create any group or i
> dont mean to divide the strength or unity of this group.
>
> I again really feel sorry and guilty for any wrong thing or wrong
> message commited by me.
>
> Again i regrets to u all if knowingly or unknowingly ur feeling been
> hurt by me.
>
> Regards,
> Jaydeepsinh Gohil.
> +91-9825100369
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [RajputWorld ] Re: Please stop all these NON-SENCE !!
Dear Mahendra and all,
You always keep on taking 'punga' with one or other every time. We know that
you have good intention some time behind it but not necessarily to dictate out
your liking or disliking to others or using harsh language to show your anger.
Go cool dear as per order of your Masiba ( !! ). let me go in balanced manner
- thodi bahot mahendra ki bhi sun lo- and so just try to restrict whenever
possible in posting Delhi get to gather matter and mail personally by cc to
concern member and let some body say sujansa or some post it in one mail all
accumulated briefing when require arise or at periodic interval. But don't
spoil atmosphere on message board explaining each other pros and cons of
posting.
Rupaba approach is always appreciable to keep group in balanced mood. We are
not gathered here to discuss 24 hours serious matter and must have fun and
light things too.
Thanks Regards and Jai Mataji
Mahendrasinh Chudasama, Dubai
----- Original Message -----
From: Mahendra Rana
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: [RajputWorld ] Re: Please stop all these NON-SENCE !!
Rupaba and All,
It will be MORE better if we all work for some community purpose
rather then trying to get fem or making ourselves popular and
popular.or just plyaing with others fellings as u tried in the below
mentioned mail. Myself is not interested to get any CERTIFICATE FROM
ANY BODY that i am 0% or 100% right or wrong.
I already get a very great certificate from Aloksa and agree with
that certificate that I m of the ficke nature,bullying/belighting
behaviour. I am really happy with this certificate and wants to
remain this certificate for LIFETIME.
I thinks Me,you and some other members on the group needs some
self CENSORSHIP/restricion while posting messeges on the group.
There was nothing anything hard I said to Jaideepsingh Bhati and
it was his mistake.he was no where in the picture still he wear the
cap just only on account of using 'I' instead of 'Y' while he had
clearly ignored the difference between the word sinh and singh so
there is nothing like that i had discouraged him !!!! Please dont try
to play wtih other's feeling in such manner.this kind of moves will
not help you to achieve your motive/goals.
Myself didn't interested in getting fem,praise or any designation
or whatever thing in our community so what our members/community
Membres thinks about me it doesn't affect me.nobody in the world can
change my FICKLE NATURE,BULLYING/BELIGHTING BEHAVIOUR !!!!
I hope that it will be the last posting in this thread.I mostly
interested only in something constructive and not anything else !!!
fun,enteratingment are ok sometimes but there must be some limit !!!
and in my original mail to Jaydeepsinhji Gohil I had praised him,
so there was nothing like downgrading/discouraging /misunderstanding
of our another esteem member Mr. Jaideepsingh Bhati of Jodhpur
Mahendra
p.s you like/dislike the tone of my mail,I can't bother !!!
--- In [email protected], Rupa Jadeja <rupa_g_jadeja@y...>
wrote:
> Dear Mahendra
>
> Jay Mataji bhaila!!
>
> I did not like the tone of your mail to Jaydeepji below as it could
prove to be very discouraging for him.. whilst I fully understand and
appreciate your clarification and your pun intended remarks about my
mails can i please request you to refrain from making such comments
in public!!
>
> See bhaila basically sometimes you mean well but the way you put;
it comes across as an negative thinking so as your now Masiba(!!) I
order (dare i say that to da great n mighty Mahendra Ranaji!!; -)) to
refrain putting anyone down in such belittling manner of which I too
have been accused.
>
> (Aav bhai harkha aapde bevu sarkha!!)
>
> :-))
>
> Best Regards
> Rupa masiba(!!)
>
> Mahendra Rana <oz0021@y...> wrote:
> My dear friend Mr. Bhati,
>
> Why u 4get the difference between sinh and singh !!!! just for
your information in gujarat we use sinh and not the singh so that way
too you are no where in the picture. I already put his original mail
