Rain yeah but i was talking to an ass who thought that just becuase guys dig it the girls should just do it regardless..
that was later in the conversation but i was havign a problem with my connection..i'll finish it later..
dude..honestly if its what they both want then fine..
but its not my thing..i think i finally got *&*& to realize it too..i'll talk about it untill his dick is drooling..but thats as far as this momma is going
Rain shit i shaved for him and will actually consider doing some freaky things with him...he should be happy for what he has rather getting greedy lol
Meanie If that's your deal. Me, I had to actually suck a few dicks before I decided it wasn't my bag. No big deal.
Rain thats cool..but i dont have to munch carpet to know i dont like it..
you know,... just me..
besides..&*&*&*& isnt exactly thrilled with the idea of drilling a guys ass so why would he think i'd want to suck on a pussy?..
once you put it in the proper perspective..you can usually reach a compromise
Meanie Not with me. I kind of stand by the guy insofar as "don't knock it till you've tried it". You can say, "no, I won't try it" and that's fine. But don't dis on it with words like, "disgusting", "repulsive", et al because the fact of the matter is that you don't know.
Rain yes i do..i have a problem kissing a guy after he has gone down on me..for me it is repugnant and disgusting..
for others..whatever floats their boat...different strokes for different folks..
Meanie Sorry, but I can't agree. You haven't done it. You don't know. Besides, I've sucked dick. I thought it was kind of boring. Not really gross, just boring. But I won't kiss a chick after the act. That's different. It's mine.
Rain what is really aggravating is that while i might could bring myself to consider if i was drunk enough and if the other girl was going down on me while he was with her....the guy in question was more in the frame of no i want you to go down on her while i fuck you...
not my thing....seriously
Meanie You can say it's "not your thing". Just don't say it's repulsive. Words like that piss people off when they know you have no idea what you're talking about. Especially lesbians. And lesbians can be really mean.
Rain i dont have to do it to know i wont like it, shit...do you have to get shot to know it hurts?..
i'm not attracted to females, it would be easier to consider it if i was..but i'm not..
and unless i'm attracted to it..i'm see no reason too waste my time on the miniscule chance that i might like it..
Meanie No, but you have to eat broccoli to know if yout like it. Anything piercing your skin hurts.
Rain yeah i know..but i'm not saying the entire practice is repugnant..just the idea of my doing it is repugnant to me..
the few lesbians and gay guys i know dont have a problem with how i express myself..believe me they would've said so if they did :) it all comes down to whether or not i'm gonna take the time to try it so i can say hey..i did it and didnt like it..
im not willing to take the time or make the effort to prove something to someone else that i already know to be a fact for myself.
you can be how you want to be..this is how i want to be and am..so :P~~~
Meanie That's not the point either. Look, never mind. There's no point in arguing about it. I have a psychological problem that I can't control, and for some reason I get really irate with people who won't try things because they "already know" they won't like them. I'm fairly certain it dates back to my mom not driving on the highway.
Rain lol your problem not mine...
been there done that other side..and when he said..i dont think i'd like it..i dropped it. no big whoop on my part..
what i want to know is..how can someone who doesn't know me from eve be soooooo sure i'd like it?...he was just as adamant that i would as i was that i wouldnt.
is there anything you havent done that you wouldnt do anyway?..
Meanie 'll try anything once, even things I'm fairly certain I won't enjoy. Might as well, you only live once.
I think my problem with your argument is that I view people with that attitude as small and timid little creatures not worthy of this life and the myriad of experiences that await us in it.
And I'm not trying to get you to do it. I don't care either way.
Rain i just dont like someone trying to pressure me into anything..
its all about choices and when i make one..its so irratating to be pressed into changing to suit someone else..
i'm a door mat..but not when it comes to sex
Meanie Like my mom, who I love dearly.
Rain anyway i wanted to know if you found it funny or not..
i didnt plan to have a discussion about the content...lol
Meanie Kind of funny. You can be pretty abrasive.
Rain do i strike you as a small and timid creature?..hehehe..
i know your not..but he was..that was why i took that attitude with him..
and what the fuck..i state my case and stand by it..no matter how ridiculous it may seem..thats what makes me so much fun :)
Meanie That's also why we disagree about nearly every fucking thing on Earth.
Rain i know...sometimes i quite enjoy it..
but usually it just upsets me that im being so mean..
i gotta get that fixed...
i'm good at being mean..
Meanie Are you mean to me?
Rain you say that like it is a bad thing
lol thats one of the main reasons i like talking to you..you at least pay enough attention to argue with me coherently
Meanie I try to avoid being mean to you.
Rain i have no reason to be mean to you..
but i do have reason to just be nasty as hell to most ppl..
with a few acceptions..
oh oh oh...
i might be able to visit that way in a month or so..
got any shows planned that far in advance?
Meanie Umm.. well, sort of. June 23 at Davey's with Watts and Belrays. July 15(maybe) at Pauly's with Cretin 66. We're working on setting something up in July with The Last Call Girls and Cretin.
Rain you have been mean in the past..but hey..as long as its not just to send me to the brink of insanity instead of completely over i dont care..
i'm shooting for middle of july..
Meanie I think that's why, even on the rare occasions you piss me off, I refrain. Because with you it's like all or nothing. I'd have to really take it to the next level of soul-raping with you, and I don't want to. A teaspoon of "mean" wouldn't have any effect. It would take a bucketful, and to be honest you're my friend and I don't use that much mean on people I like. Besides, when it was all over you'd probably be like "Is that all you got?"
Rain LOL!!!!!!!!
i'm sorry..i shouldnt laugh like that..
if you really cut loose on me it wouldnt take much to drive me completely to finish what i started 3 yrs ago and i know it..
have i ever really pissed you off?..
i find that hard to believe..
i'm trying..already made sure i dont have the kids...and david is willing to loan me the money as long as HE knows i wont be sleeping on a park bench..
Meanie Great, that would be kick ass.
global warming is going to destroy america...this paper claims that a 5=15 degree shift up will devestate the country...but the overall temp of the earth has risen by only ONE degree in the last century....
chicken little isnt crying the sky is falling anymore..instead he's saying the world is frying...
Meanie An elevation in the Earth's mean temperature of 5-15 degrees would kill off most of the life, including us.
Rain duh...
what gets me is how the gov is so quick to call for bans and what not on shit to prevent something that isnt happening...the report states what would happen IF the temp went up..and assumes it will...when the evidence doesnt really support that assumption
Meanie Hell yes it does. First of all, the temperature shouldn't go up AT ALL. If there is a one degree increase in the earth's mean temperature, it should take place over the course of a million years... not a hundred. Secondly, effects aren't immediate but they are permanent. We're still paying for the pollution of the industrial revolution today. It even if it won't happen tomorrow, it will happen eventually. Why tempt fate? I say ban the shit.
Rain ahem..first,the one degree increase is only detecable by going back for as far as possible and comparing the data. second...banning all man made producers of greenhouse gases would only bring down the amount of greenhouse gases by 1% the majority of greenhouse gasses are produced by the earth itself..so you gonna ban all animal life and volcanic activity?...third, most of the things threatened by banning do NOT contribute to the green house effect anyway...and fourth, the same ppl crying we're gonna fry were busy trying to convince the world that we were headed for a global ice age just 30 yrs ago..citing temperature drops earth wide...
Meanie You're a smart girl, but you seem to have a problem looking beyond yourself. Okay, you are right. The world won't end tomorrow. But that doesn't mean we should be fucking it up as much as possible today.
Rain LOL..what the hell does that mean?
what do you mean i have trouble looking beyond myself?
Rain ok..narrow eh?..
well personally i feel the earth as an organic entity would be far better off if man had never evolved...or finally destroyed himself in the near future..but that is me..
go ahead..but i'm not much in an aruguing mood right now :)
Meanie I don't know. You seem to have a very narrow perception of things.
Please, though, allow me to refute your argument.
Rain hows this? the one half centigrade of warming that has occured in the last onehundred years..happened before 1940....before humanity began spewing CO2 into the air, since then while there has been an increase in the amount of CO2 there hasnt been a corresponding increase in global warming leading many researchers to doubt a connection between the two.
and how about the fact that between 900 ad and 1300 ad the earth warmed by 4-7 degrees fahrenheit...the same thing that most models predice for the 21st century and if you recall your history..that was a great time for humanity.food production in europe prospered due to the higher crop yields,so did population, and technology flourashed, the water mill, windmill, coal, the spinning wheel and soap entered daily life, etc...there were half as many floods and droughts in this period of warming as there were in the "little ice age" that followed beginning in the 1400's and continieing into the beginning of the 20th century...
this isnt a new thing..its the same old thing..but now its being blown up into a scare campaign...
Rain or you can go with numbers...
in 1999, 19,000 ppl among which were 2,100 physicisty, goephysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, environmental scientists, another 4.400 were specialists in fields that include chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences signed and back a petition to oppose the UNs Climate Change treaty, because they believe the science behind the "global warming" warnings to have "dubious underpinnings and dangerous economic implications"...
but hey...believe which ever side you put your faith in...
as for a narrow world view...
werent you the person who wanted santa to bring world wide genocide for xmas???LOL
Meanie
Governments and scientists alike have agreed that the problem is real, and serious. Last year at the climate summit in Kyoto, industrialised countries agreed, at least on paper, to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases they pump into the atmosphere. But crucial details, upon which the success or failure of the agreement rests, are still under negotiation, and in the m eantime little real action is being taken to address the problem.
Scientists estimate that we can only afford to release a limited amount of carbon into the atmosphere, otherwise, we pass the "safe" limits of climate change. It is at this point that climate change happens so fast that ecosystems are unable to adapt. The amount of carbon that we can release to keep within these limits can be calculated and is in the range of 112.5 to 337.5 billion tonnes o f carbon over the next 100 years.
But industry already has around four times this amount of carbon -- over one thousand billion tonnes -- in existing reserves of oil, coal and gas. This means that three quarters of the oil, coal and gas already found cannot be burned if we want to avoi d dangerous climate change.
If we continue burning fossil fuels at present levels, the "safe" limit of 1 degree C will be reached in just 40 years. That is why we have to start reducing carbon dioxide emissions immediately and prepare for an orderly phase out of fossil fuels.
Industrial society's chemical warfare against the ozone layer during the past sixty years has brought grave peril to the well being, indeed, the continuity of life on the planet
"We are facing a danger as big as humanity has ever faced."
Dr. Mostafa Tolba, Former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme, April, 1992, addressing the Open Ended Working Group of the Montreal Protocol, in Geneva.
FACTS:
The ozone layer protects all life from the deadly ultraviolet rays of the sun. The industrialized world has severely damaged the ozone layer by pumping tens of millions of tonnes of ozone destroying substances (ODSs), such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs)into the atmosphere.
Every 1% ozone depletion results in at least 2% increase in the amount of UV-B radiation reaching the earth. Higher levels of UV-B radiation increase the risk of severe damage to human health, e.g. eye diseases, skin cancer, immune system suppression. Increased dosages of UV-B also endanger crops, forests, plants, marine life and wildlife. Scientists predict the ozone crisis will be with us for many decades to come, and the greatest levels of ozone depletions will occur around the turn of the century.
Major chemical companies like Du Pont, ICI and Elf Atochem, have made billions of dollars in profit from the sale of ozone destroying chemicals around the world. Even when it became evident 20 years ago that CFCs were harming the ozone layer, the chemical companies continued to vigorously market their dangerous products.
Today, the industry is promoting hydrofluorocarbons(HFCs) as replacements for CFCs and HCFCs. HFCs pose no direct threat to the ozone layer, but are very powerful global warming gases. They also have other negative environmental impacts.
Tell me, where is the advantage of promoting beliefs like this? There really is none. People deserve to know what's happening to the environment and what we should do to try and stop it.
On the other hand, it's awful easy to just say "nah, everything is OK" and pretend like it is. And even if there is only a 0.000001% chance that this climate change is going to destroy life on Earth, I'm not willing to take that chance. Sorry. I don't need my fucking Aqua Net or my hamburger or my car bad enough to justify killing every living thing on the planet.
Rain. "It is very clear we do not have a climate observing system," said Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "This may be a shock to many people who assume we do know adequately what�s going on with the climate
Fully 95% of the carbon dioxide, now identified by Greens, i.e., U.S. and worldwide environmentalists, as a form of pollution, is produced by natural sources such as evaporating seawater, decaying organic matter, and from plant and animal respiration. Each year, 157 billion metric tons is released in the atmosphere. Of this amount, barely 457.2 million tons comes from cars and trucks. According to American Enterprise Institute researcher, James Johnson, "Eliminating all U.S. gasoline powered vehicles would reduce worldwide carbon dioxide emissions by 0.18%." Less than one half of one half of one percent.
Why? Why reduce carbon dioxide emissions from human activities when (1) they represent less than 1% of all emissions and, (2), by any measurement applied, would have a crippling impact on the nation's economy? The UN treaty, moreover, would exempt both China and India, along with more than a hundred other nations.
Rain the disadvantge is when you do without your aqua Net or hamburger based on a lies...
the problem is weeding out the truth from the fiction...
i'm not saying oh everything will be ok..i'm saying that i dont blindly swallow everything i read ..for or against whatever is the top news story of the day..
Meanie
And you are suggesting that I do.
Rain no...not at all..
but if you think i'm gonna back down cause i dont know what i'm talking about then you got another think coming :)....
i'm not usually in the know..but certain things interest me enough to look up..this just happens to be one of them..
admit it..LOL
you didnt expect me to be able to back up anything i said did you?..
but its all in what you are willing too and wanting to accept...
Meanie Honestly, I doubt your sources, I doubt everything you said, and as far as I'm concerned you made everything up. But that's pretty much how I look at the world. Suffice to say, I've done a lot of research on the subject and my conclusion isn't that the world is ending due to climate change. My conclusion is that it's POSSIBLE that the world could end due to climate change (and other various environmental factors) and life on Earth ending due to human stupidity is not penciled in on my day planner.
Rain did you see the los alomos nuclear secrets missing headline??...LOL..
funny how that hits the paper right after clinton agrees to share technology with china...LOL...
Rain what bout when the national forests burn so badly due to an over abundance of dead/dying/diseased wood?...epa regulations prohibit the logging that would make the forests less likely to go up in a blaze of glory....i dont have a problem with protecting the environment..i have a problem with stupid laws that dont protect as much as they hurt ....
Meanie Uh if forests go up in a blaze of glory, they'd have done it without human intervention. Let them burn.
Meanie Besides, forest fires are really good for the forest in the long term.
Rain yeah..but the likely hood of the fire destoying a larger number of healthy trees goes up when dead wood piles up...
while forest recover without our help..clearing out the dead wood is better than leaving it to pose a hazard to healthy trees and wildlife..
Rain yeah but its all stupid humanity that is causing the problems if you follow the green line...and you can check my sources at www.anxietycenter.com/ under the great global warning scare...and GlobalGreens:Inside the International Environmental Establisment by james m. sheehan, Silencing science by steven milloy and michael gough, Environmental Overkill: Whatever happened to Common Sense? by dixy lee ray with lou guzzo...just to name a few...
Meanie So what? These people are just as likely to be crackpots as the people who say the world is going to end.
Rain and your sources are more believeable why?...
because you choose to believe them and their reasoning...i dont..oh well..
Meanie I'm more likely to believe that they ARE crackpots, honestly, because cleaning up the environment is the financial responsibility of corporations who, of course, want to make money.. not spend it. So give some jack off scientist a million bucks to write a book about how these environmentalists are all stupid and save a hundred million that you'd have to spend on cleanup.
Rain spoken like a true green...LOL..you assume they are protecting industry interests...but dont really know...
Meanie Hahaha. Yeah, corporations NEVER protect their interests. They give a shit about the environment. Shit.
I originally said "just as likely" by the way
Rain ?..my message history is fucked up..i have to open the event history in the main box to view it...but either way..
it comes down to what you want and are willing to believe..
LOL..and environmentalist dont care about the millions of dollars donated and invested in them annually either..LOL
Meanie What does that have to do with it? They don't have interests to protect. The money is donated mostly by philanthropic organizations.. they aren't selling a product.
Rain Alan Caruba wrote a column where he says :The known, documented facts concerning the Earth's weather system utterly and completely disprove the Global Warming theory and yet millions are convinced we are either in a cycle of warming or are about to be. We are told this at the highest levels of government. Opposition to this Big Lie is suppressed or attacked in the nation's print and broadcast media. Indeed, it is advanced by that media, either out of ignorance or because "saving the Earth" is deemed a higher priority:
but ...he doestn cite his sources for that article..so i cant say where he gets his data from..but it is something to think bout..
Rain no..they are selling fear..and thru that fear they gain control...hell are you aware that if the UN's rights of the child treaty is signed by the US gov then the control over our next generation is literally handed over to an unelected citizen council?...
Meanie I don't care. I am never having kids.
Rain ok..but would you care if in pursuit of "protecting us from ourselves" playing guitar with metal strings was deemed dangerous so decent strings were outlawed?..i know it sounds silly..but so do a lot of laws already on the books..and there are more coming...look at how the epa got dursban banned...
Meanie
Do you understand that this argument has nothing to do with global warming or whether the earth is going to end next week?
Rain i think it has more to do with what you believe as opposed to what i believe...
i really dont care if or when the earth ends...
i just dont want to be force fed bullshit by the news media and then told to swallow it like a good little girl...
now if your thinking.."my god how can she be so stupid"..
you can kiss my ass..cause at least i have put some thought into this...unlike a lot of other stuff..LOL
Meanie
Unless it happens to be that Jesus is Lord or that the Millennium begins on Jan 1, 2001 or...
It's not really a matter of belief either. It comes down to capitalism pure and simple.
Rain LOL...jesus is lord...but he's not god...LOL..
and who cares..the sun rises and sets no matter what day it is on the calender...
and yeah if you mean that greens and the currnet gov are against capitalism then yeah i agree...otherwise........hehehehehe
Meanie I'm sorry, did you just say the current government was AGAINST capitalism?
Rain yes...clinton is a socialist..
Meanie Socialist? You... oh god, I'm not even going to start.
Rain LOL..good cause i'm tired and my arm is KILLING me...
i'm gonna have to go have it x-rayed...i do believe this conversation will get posted...
if i'm not in a cast..LOL
she was surprised i would even look at it, since she views the origin of my beliefs to be a "cult"...
so was christianity at one time..
heheheh...i love the look she gets when i say that. :)
**Meanie** All religions are cults if you ask me
**Rain** hehehe...by the definition in that book your right..
i'm like for every sentence she can find that questions the authenticity of my views i can find one that questions her's...for every negative comment i can find a positive one and vice versa..so why get all bunched up about it?...
she's like..i know mine is the "true" one..and i'm like yeah ...for YOU...
but not me..
didnt mean to bore you there..
**Meanie** No big deal. I just hate religion.
**Rain** hate?...isnt that a little strong for something that most ppl wonder about at one time or another?..
but no biggie..
suggest another topic?
**Meanie** I wonder about things, but I wonder about things that matter. If people want to invest their time and money into fairies that don't exist, that's their problem. Religion has caused more pain, death, and suffering than any single other entity ever created by man. Man needs god, man created god. God doesn't need man, he has no reason to create man. End of story. I hate religion for what it represents and what it has done to humankind.
I do not think hate is a strong word under those circumstances.
**Rain** good points all.i think its more the fanatical following that all religions seem to inspire at one time or another that really causes the pain and anguish that seems to follow the religions cause..
**Meanie** Shit, I'd like to believe that but I can't. Religion, even if apparently benign, is absolutely evil.
**Rain** personally..i dont hate religion..i hate how its used and abused by anyone and everyone to further their own designs in the name of god..
most of the pain death and suffering is brought about by man with the whitewash that its inspired by god, meglomania syndrome at its worse..
thinking your doing gods work is worse than thinking your actually god to my mind
**Meanie** But don't you understand that EVERYONE thinks they're doing God's work? Anyone who claims to be religious, whether they realize it or not. Why do you think we have V-chips in our televisions? Why do you think we have bits of our first amendment rights stripped away every day? It's not as obvious as, say, witch hunts, but it's no different.
**Rain** well i'm not going to sit here and tell your wrong or anything like that..LOL
besides, unless it manages to capture the attention of the masses, [therefore granting the "leaders" of the movement power over those followers, which of course leads to corruption of any ideals that they might have had to start with] then it dies in infancy anyway..
the only benign growth is no growth at all..not good when your "trying to save the world"..
i'm religious and i'm not doing gods work,far from it
and we have vchips and let the socialist that was elected into office chip away at our rights because most americans are either stupid..or so brainwashed to deny personal responsiblity that they need the gov to take care of them
i'm not sure how many is in each group.but i figure it to be around 40 stupid, 45 infantile, 10 who realize it but dont care and 5 who do care but have no power
**Meanie** But you're missing the pont. Who pushes for this shit? Who funds the lobbys that get this shit passed? Who pumps money into the pockets of the government? Fuck, the government doesn't care about God. The government cares about money.. something that churches have.
**Rain** most of the churchs that are so busy handing out money and promising votes dont care about god either, and thats my point..
once you get a following going, the the power starts to flow..soon the leaders seek to get more converts to swell the base to get more power and will and have done just about anything to do it, calling it "god's work" or sanctifying in other ways...but its still just man dominating man..
**Meanie** Two words: Jerry Falwell.
**Rain** LOL!!!!!
good example..
oh oh oh..did you read anything about when john rocker got in so much trouble for the nasty things he said about new yorkers?
**Rain** god it was so stupid..he got interviewed..and for whatver reason really went off on newyorkers..calling them niggers, fags,etc, he wound up getting fined and suspended for a few games..
i thought it was all bullshit..he didnt go anything wrong, but i guess now americans shouldnt express their true feelings unless they are politically correct shit..it was fucked up.
**Meanie** No, he should be suspended. Not for his opinions, which he is entitled to, but because he was being irresponsible by saying things like that to press. In fact, he should probably be fried.
**Rain** the only thing he did that wasnt the smartest thing to do was tell someone who would make sure it inflames as many ppl as possible as quickly as possible..
shit they were talking about throwing him out of baseball completely..that is fucked up..
he can think what ever he wants, he just needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut around those who will exploit it for their own ends.
**Meanie** First of all, his "opinions" aren't opinions. They are statements that can be disproven, therefore they are not facts. They are just wrong. So he is wrong. He should be fired.**(follow up on this )**
**Rain** since when are opinions required to be facts?
**Meanie** An opinion is "spaghetti doesn't taste good", not "new york is full of fags".
**Rain** yes it is..its all in how you view things..
i could easily say since i think spaghetti tastes good that your opinion isnt based on fact and is wrong..
and full of means different things to different ppl..
just 5 or 6 can constitute "full of"..if the person saying it feels that way.
gotta ask..are you thinking .." god how could she say something so stupid???" right now? :)
**Meanie** Kind of. =)
**Rain** lol
well how can you have fun if you cant be a little stupid now and then..
of course..down here that usually means saying hey ya'll watch this as you do something incredabley stupid and possibley life threatening :)
**Meanie** I try to avoid doing stupid things.
**Rain** doesnt everyone ?..
too bad most of us fail at one time or another..
During another conversation with Meanie, he raised the point that it would be very easy to misunderstand what he was saying so I offered to post a followup......
**Rain** so what did you want to talk about?...my little heart is pounding in anticipation of what the great meanie might want to discuss with little ol me....LOL
**Meanie** Just the discussion we had that you posted. The part about the guy who said that NY was full of niggers and faggots or whatever. It's really easy to misunderstand what I'm saying.
**Rain** so what exactly are you worried about being misunderstood about that conversation.
**Meanie** The part about facts and opinions. I kind of come off like I think that opinions have to be facts, but that's not at all what I meant.
**Rain** well then..what did you mean?..i can add this as a ** follow up.
**Meanie** I meant that he was not expressing opinion, he was expressing an incorrect fact (in an inflammatory manner, no less). If I say "China is full of a bunch of dirty fucking slant-eyed commies", I'm expressing an incorrect fact, not an opinion. I can't prove that all Chinese are dirty because I'm sure they aren't.
**Rain** but all he was really doing was blowing steam off cause he was pissed at how the people in NY acted...and it was still just his opinion...it wasnt like he said "HEY THIS IS THE GOD GIVEN GOSPEL NEWYORKER SARE FAGS!!" lol
**Meanie** What I said made sense to me when I said it, and it still makes sense now.. when you made the comment you made right after I said it, I wasn't sure what you meant... now I see how easy it is to misunderstand my original words. I don't want to change what I said, I meant what I said and I still think I'm right. But I don't want people to think I'm an idiot because they are not understanding my meaning.
**Rain** LOL..i see what you mean...rather keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then open it and remove all doubt...LOL
so you want me to post what you said as a follow up?...
hehehe...dont think it really changes what you said but hey..what the hell..
..OH..if i can find it ..i'm gonna post what we talked about 3-some wise..