eternumpace: dad is good why you ask? :-)
velvt.: don't know
velvt.: maybe because it's about the last thing you mentioned
last time we chatted?
eternumpace: that is what i thought. i was just trying to remember
what I might have said. my da and I haven't always seen eye to eye if you know
what i mean
velvt.: yep
velvt.: so, you read ancient wisdom
velvt.: any first impressions you'd like to share?
eternumpace: oh, yes. that was a good read
eternumpace: just a sec. i wanna change me font
velvt.: sure
eternumpace: ok.
eternumpace: that is better
velvt.: i found i have to set my own display font as the
default for everyone
velvt.: my brain went really wonky trying to read different
fonts/sizes/colors
eternumpace: my first impression of the Ancient
Wisdom book was that it was very clear and wasn't loaded down with a lot of
presumption about how one should take it in.
velvt.: wow, now that's wonderful!
eternumpace: that did seem to be the clear intention
of the tract :-)
velvt.: yes
velvt.: the underlying philosophy is that we each find the
path that is best for us in this life... and if eckankar is it, great.... if
not, fine
eternumpace: i wouldn't mind singin Hu with some
folks
velvt.: so while there is a lot of enthusiasm to share
eckankar, there is virtually no pressure to join
velvt.: check the website... see if there is a local group
eternumpace: God is pressure
velvt.: how so?
eternumpace: i heard that in a song once
velvt.: lol... felt right, eh?
eternumpace: yeah. i guess. it stuck with me hehe
eternumpace: come to pagan chat. only 2 of us there
velvt.: well, better than my 'stuck' song... i've lived with
theme from a summer place for about 40 years or so now
velvt.: i'm going to go offline very soon
velvt.: fading pretty rapidly here
eternumpace: that reminds me of another song,
Psychopomp by the same group "The Tea Party"
eternumpace: ..."and you fade away...."
velvt.: i'm getting pretty expert at it
eternumpace: i would interested in chatting about the
spiritual archescape depicted by ancient wisdom or eck philosophy its pros and
cons, some time
velvt.: define archescape, please
eternumpace: geography of fantasy and reality
eternumpace: or one or the other, you pick :-)
velvt.: ok
eternumpace: anyone, i thought it was a nice word.
but you get my point, like Dante's diff levels of hell that sortof thing
velvt.: well, in a nutshell, we believe in 'ascending' planes,
beginning here in the physical, and becoming decreasingly physical and
increasingly spritual
velvt.: yes, got the drift :)
velvt.: in addition, most of us feel if we can imagine
something, it's because it has some existance somewhere
eternumpace: ya. for sure
velvt.: imagination is one of the great keys to perceiving
other realities
eternumpace: i don't understand one specific thing,
for instance, not juist in eck but in other so called new age philosophies
eternumpace: and eastern for that matter
velvt.: what's that?
eternumpace: well, basically, the idea that living on
earth is a necessary evil. i laugh at that
eternumpace: or chuckle
eternumpace: whatever
velvt.: evil... that's really an individual assessment or
value judgement
velvt.: and i guess it's not necessary to live on earth, but
it is one of the better ways of acquiring certain types of learning
velvt.: if not THE best way
eternumpace: i mean if life is karmic illusion self
generated through spiritual forgetfullness at best then it leads to a sort of
circular logic or at worst, an existential falacy of subconscious proportions
velvt.: but IS it karmic illusion?
velvt.: and is the forgetfullness avoidable?
eternumpace: that is what eck teaches no?
velvt.: not to my way of understanding
velvt.: karma isn't a question of reality/imagination/illusion
velvt.: it is a system of balancing
velvt.: 'logical consequences' as a learning tool
eternumpace: mmm. that makes more sense to me i
suppose
eternumpace: have you ever read any of the Seth
books?
velvt.: eckankar says that each level of spiritual development
has certain lessons to give...
velvt.: those lessons can be carried forward to the next
level, but will become harder to learn there, since they are a foundation to
understanding what comes next, and you jumped into 'next' ahead of time
velvt.: yes, the first one,the seth material, and started seth
speaks
eternumpace: what i want to know, i mean really would
love to know, is how the spiritual lesson as you say is in any way dependant
upon archescapal locale and, if such a correlation exists, how can we discern
it in any way other than individually?
velvt.: not dependant, but facilitated, i think
eternumpace: i wanna know who makes the rules!
eternumpace: *snicker
velvt.: and how else to discern anything if not individually?
do you mean to jump to a higher/collective consciousness?
velvt.: well, god is, and the 'rules' are simply understanding
what is
eternumpace: mmmm
velvt.: sort of like asking what are the rules about seasonal
changes
eternumpace: well, seasonal changes make more sense
that some nebulous spiritual lessons
velvt.: yep
velvt.: much easier to perceive and verify
velvt.: very physical :)
velvt.: that's why we start here and progress... so we learn
how to perceive more subtle things
eternumpace: which is nice since we happen to by
physical lol
velvt.: not nice, just inevitable
velvt.: not bad, either
eternumpace: lets get physical physical
velvt.: lol
velvt.: yeah baby
velvt.: <grin>
eternumpace: is that from Saturday Night Fever?
velvt.: no, olivia newton john
eternumpace: oh yeah
eternumpace: i still think there is something more
here than meets the eye
eternumpace: something very simple
eternumpace: it is interesting to note, if only for
the sake of arguement, that the Buddha himself paied absolutely no mind
whatsoever to the nonphysical or metaphysical
velvt.: hmmmm... not so sure about that
eternumpace: tis true
velvt.: mindfulness is more than physical awareness
eternumpace: i disagree. midnfullness is the apex of
physicality
eternumpace: else why would god make the physical
world
velvt.: and enlightenment isn't a physical process, right?
velvt.: mind and body are connected, but not indentical
eternumpace: why not?
velvt.: body, emotions, mind, spirit
eternumpace: most modern to eastern medicine
postulates a mind body unity
velvt.: all connected, but not identical
eternumpace: why not???
velvt.: not unity, connected
eternumpace: "in the beggining god was face to
face with himself, the Word"
velvt.: there is an underlying unity of everything, i agree,
but that doesn't mean two aspects are identical
eternumpace: i don't see why not
velvt.: my finger is not my ear but they are part of the same
unified system
eternumpace: i think we have hit upon the whole point
velvt.: how so?
eternumpace: holography
eternumpace: that each bit is the whole, identical to
the whole, holy
velvt.: no argument there, but can we perceive it from this
physical reality in any ongoing, confirmed way?
eternumpace: why not? i mean, what the hell else do
we have to do?
velvt.: well, i don't think i am a pantheist, i've changed a
bit
velvt.: so i don't think god is the sum of everything created
eternumpace: you are not a pantheist? mmm. i didn't
know that
velvt.: so therefore, god has some other existance than just
me
velvt.: i'm a panentheist, i learned... it was my exciting new
word discovery about a year ago
eternumpace: did i teach you that? :-)
velvt.: no
eternumpace: "there is nothing less than
god"?
eternumpace: oh. well then educate me on what a
panentheist is.
velvt.: a pantheist believes, basically, that god is the sum
of creation, the sum of the parts... so therefore each part is 'god' more or
less
eternumpace: ok...i follow..
velvt.: a panentheist believes that all of creation, all
reality, is part of god, but god is also something more... the source
eternumpace: mmmm. ok. i like that. the ultimate
spirit
eternumpace: ok
velvt.: :)
eternumpace: but could not that ultimate
non-vibratory force be "IN" things
eternumpace: isn't that what imnagination is for?
velvt.: so, i don't know if we 'evolve' spiritually to join in
the ultimate unity, or if we as spiritual beings will always remain a bit
differentiated from god
velvt.: yes, i think god is IN everything, and everything is
in god
eternumpace: 1's and zeros
eternumpace: that's how i see it
velvt.: but there is nothing of me that isn't part of god, and
yet there is something of god that isn't part of me
velvt.: at least that's my working hypothesis
eternumpace: ther is a fundamental Logic or Logos
that binds all differentiated beings and is at once in and about all things,
localized and forever nonlocal
eternumpace: lol. redeemed is in pagan chat
velvt.: he goes there often
velvt.: virtually never goes to CC
eternumpace: he's smart :-) that's whuy
velvt.: he's a nice old guy... just awfully excited about his
christianity
eternumpace: well, velvt. the idea of
transcendentalism is an old and tried and true one so i won't try to dissuade
you. idon't have the intelligence or the wisdom but...
velvt.: he has a good heart though... through and through...
i've never seen any sign of anything else.
eternumpace: But i do like to take the tak of how transcendetalism translates into
cultural discourse, namely through the concep of gender
velvt.: oh, we transcend, but i don't know anymore if i think
we become one with god at any point
eternumpace: no. i mean what you said, the idea of a
transcendent reality/being which we are not or cannot be now
velvt.: we can tap into it, though, experience glimpses of it
eternumpace: you see, i believe sexuality to be our
connection to the Prime Creator
eternumpace: our Animal
velvt.: the more we know here, the more we can transcend the
physical... and then we are done learning what this physical level has to teach
us
eternumpace: in India that call such
"marga" the animal in whose path we find the hear of all it means to
be human and divine
velvt.: sexuality is physical... how can it be the connection
to the spiritual
velvt.: THE connection
eternumpace: aha!
velvt.: ok, i'm dense
velvt.: aha what?
eternumpace: like the quote says, "there are
more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than dreampt by your
philosphies"
eternumpace: try this: the unknown or ultimate
unknown need not be equated with not-I or not-you, this is the grace of the
sexual
velvt.: sexuality can, and usually does, lead to a
connection... a strong one... to something/someone not us
velvt.: so we can then perceive that the reality is the
connection, not the us/not us
eternumpace: ok.
eternumpace: ok. so that is my point i suppose
eternumpace: or your point, as the case may be
velvt.: that connection, through sexual interaction, lets us
see a place beyond the physical
velvt.: but i don't think it is THE only way we see that, or
experience it
eternumpace: "beyond" interesting word
velvt.: don't do that to me
velvt.: please
velvt.: LOL
eternumpace: do you see yoru own existential falacy?
velvt.: my language skills have deteriorated and i'm not as
clear and specific as i'd like to be
velvt.: i am using trite phrases
velvt.: i am simply recognizing the various possible
perceptions
velvt.: one is immediate, personal, individual, physical
velvt.: one other is nonphysical, spiritual, energy based...
something like that
eternumpace: i don't think there is anything wrong
with you language skills
velvt.: we are comprised of many different components and
abilities
velvt.: well, you don't know what my skills USED to be either
LOL
velvt.: thank god i started out with a big vocabulary
eternumpace: you see, you ackowledge the transcendant
and imminent nature of sexual relationship then immediately proceeded to issue
me the vouschafe that it is just physical
velvt.: sexuality is just physical
eternumpace: aha! i finally used the word vouschafe
in a sentence
velvt.: the relationship that is hopefully experienced during
sexual acts isn't physical, or not solely physical
eternumpace: that is another thing, why must sexual
relationship be physical?
eternumpace: do you see the falacy?
velvt.: no
velvt.: you must be redefining the word sex
eternumpace: in "The Divine Romance" Yogi
Yogananda says that the number one most important sexual relationship we will
ever have is with spirit
velvt.: and how is he defining sexual?
eternumpace: sexual
eternumpace: sex
eternumpace: love
velvt.: hey... you know better than to do that!
velvt.: you can't define sex by saying it's sex LOL
eternumpace: why not?
velvt.: now... the relationship is love! not the act
eternumpace: why not?
velvt.: cold is cold, lycanthrope is lycanthrope
velvt.: where does that get us?
eternumpace: what does that word mean?
velvt.: it means lycanthrope, right?
eternumpace: haha. very funny
velvt.: but it's what you did !
velvt.: you said sex is sex
eternumpace: well, i'm glad that i don't have to be
in the Garden of Eden with you lol
velvt.: you'd have fun though <smirk>
eternumpace: "love makes sex sex" poet anne
carson
eternumpace: you are doing a good job at making it
hard for me to express myself
velvt.: btw, hopefully my brain pulled the right noun
when i came up with lycanthrope
velvt.: i was reaching for an alternative to 'werewolf'
eternumpace: Howl!!
velvt.: oh my... it's not my intention to make anything hard
for you
eternumpace: well well well
eternumpace: what am i going to do with you?
eternumpace: oh gawd. that sounded soo pretentious
but i was just trying to be funny
eternumpace: i am, frankly, quite exasperated at this
moment, by my own lack of self expression
velvt.: don't be
velvt.: it's not worth the aggravation... i have learned that
eternumpace: tis alright. i am smiling inwardly
eternumpace: i like the little challeges i set for
myself
velvt.: i lost so much of my communication skills when i
crashed with CFS the first time
velvt.: and NOUNS... i became noun challenged especially
velvt.: i've worked around it a lot, learned to carve some new
neural pathways, but not by getting angry about it
eternumpace: you know. i have some communication
disabilities of my own
velvt.: btw, lycanthrope is werewolf... or a person affected
by lycanthropy... aarrgghh like that helps
eternumpace: thats a neat new word.
velvt.: you are one who flies with words, plays with them,
like a painter with incredible numbers of of hues on his pallette
velvt.: that's my impression anyway
eternumpace: ty for the compliment
velvt.: i am more plodding usually... words as a tool to
indicate linear thought
velvt.: but i do get circular, nonlinear, more and more... i
love it
velvt.: there is a great deal i like about you
eternumpace: you aren't getting intellectual onme are
you?
velvt.: i can't
velvt.: you have me beat 8 ways from sunday on that
velvt.: i tend to have the focus and attention span of a puppy
these days
eternumpace: 8 ways from sunday, what an interesting
turn of phrase
velvt.: did i make that up? it might be the wrong number LOL
eternumpace: there are things i would like to do and
can easily and quite readily imagine doing 8 ways from sunday but one would
hope thinking wouldn't be one of them
velvt.: LOL
eternumpace: lol
velvt.: i need to go... i haven't eaten yet and my body is
weirding out on me
velvt.: one final thing, though
velvt.: know what i love about eckankar?
eternumpace: what?
velvt.: it is simply a framework, and just about THE basic
tenet of operations is 'it's between each of us and god... go learn'
eternumpace: i can deal with that. i do like it
eternumpace: ironically, my own aversion to anything
but individual intellectual philosophy is exactly what eck encourages
velvt.: so while you will find eckists not believing the same
as you, they will also listen to you <or me> with interest and no
judgement... afterall, it's between you and god
eternumpace: yep
velvt.: it's a nice group to know
eternumpace: well, it's good to know you. i certainly
value your friendship
velvt.: thank you
velvt.: LOTS
eternumpace: i don't have so many friends
velvt.: i'm learning to accept others, let them be what they
are without needing to be the same thing myself
eternumpace: i need to learn that. funny you should
mention
velvt.: my vision was being a really cool old lady... so i
have a lot to learn LOL
velvt.: and time is running
out..................................................................>
eternumpace: time....is on our side "the rolling
stones"
velvt.: 'yes it is'
velvt.: my stomach isn't... it's yelling at me
eternumpace: go feed the hole in your head
velvt.: i'll be around later
velvt.: LOL @ hole
eternumpace: cyu later. i'll likely be here
velvt.: humans are just a tube to process raw materials into
fertilizer
eternumpace: i love to eat
velvt.: figures
eternumpace: i'll let that go...for now
velvt.: skinny young guys are like that... it isn't fair
velvt.: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
velvt.: duh
eternumpace: i gained 10 pounds last year. i am
working on a buddha belly
velvt.: lol
eternumpace: seriously
velvt.: lose it this year
velvt.: unless you convert it to muscle... that works
velvt.: anyway... i'm gone
eternumpace: besides, in one night you quadrupled my
entire sex life so if anyone should moan it is me
velvt.: whoa... and wow
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Private Messenger: velvt. has logged out. (4/4/2002 at 10:19 AM)
eternumpace: shalom :-)
shalom: thought i might find you here :)
eternumpace: i am getting preditctable
shalom: lol nah
shalom: just thought i might
eternumpace: you thought correctly m'dear m'darling
shalom: hehehe
shalom: yeah i'm goooooood
shalom: hehehe
shalom: so whatcha doin?
eternumpace: just finishing up an Im with Velvt
eternumpace: otherwise, nutting much
shalom: cool
eternumpace: we were chatting about eckankar
shalom: hehe
shalom: chant Hu for the universe or whatever
eternumpace: yeah :-)
shalom: heh heh
eternumpace: have you ever heard that chant?
shalom: i did a thing about them for my History of Intellectual Thought class
shalom: yeah i have
shalom: huuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
eternumpace: That, i would like to hear about
shalom: lol
shalom: what the class or the presentation?
eternumpace: you can hear the chant on the eck site.
i like it. thinking about orderin the cd
shalom: hmmm
eternumpace: Both
shalom: ida know
shalom: Om does it for me
shalom: Hu doesn't ring well in my psyche or my soul
eternumpace: really?
shalom: Om gets me
eternumpace: i wonder why not
eternumpace: maybe your are Huless
shalom: <weg>
shalom: then i guess that makes me Omful
eternumpace: hey, that weg was mine
shalom: hehe gimma a sec k?
eternumpace: kk
shalom: ty
eternumpace: just let me know when you are finished
given your report to Orsen
shalom: hehehe
shalom: okey dokey Mindy
eternumpace: back?
shalom: nope
eternumpace: oh
eternumpace: what a pity
eternumpace: i'll be back in a in a minute myself
shalom: kk
eternumpace: i'm back
shalom: me too
eternumpace: good good
shalom: hehe
eternumpace: so how's work been?
shalom: just looking at my best friend's site
eternumpace: oh
shalom: not too bad thanks :)
eternumpace: and the site? how is that
shalom: awesome as always
shalom: wanna see it?
eternumpace: yes
shalom: http://www.fieldsweknow.com
eternumpace: ok. i'll will check it out right now
eternumpace: interesting
shalom: hehe
shalom: there's pics of me in here
eternumpace: very well done
eternumpace: where are these pics?
shalom: "pictures of the fields"
shalom: on the site map
eternumpace: ok. could you be more specific
shalom: lol ok once you get to the main page hit the enter button
eternumpace: no wait. now you are confusing me. in
the pictures of the fields thingy right now
shalom: scroll down and hit the next enter button
shalom: oh kk
eternumpace: they have beautiful young girls
shalom: aye
shalom: hmmmmmm
shalom: wonder where they went lol
eternumpace: do you know
eternumpace: do you , now
shalom: i'll look
eternumpace: you go girl
shalom: heh heh
shalom: oh there they are lol
shalom: go back a step
eternumpace: kk
shalom: then go to "handfasting
eternumpace: k
eternumpace: there
shalom: there are 2
shalom: me and the girls
eternumpace: ok. i found that one
shalom: me and Tia and Frannie and Kelly
eternumpace: shalom shalom shalom shalom. becasue of
the wonderful things she does
shalom: lol
eternumpace: i thought your hair was red. it looks
brown here
shalom: it's the pics lol
eternumpace: man. where was this picture taken? these
people live in the garden of eden
shalom: her youngest has blonde hair that's almost white
shalom: the have 162 acres near Dawson Creek
shalom: they're all taken on their property
eternumpace: quite the earth mother aren't you. they
look like your kids here
shalom: hehe
eternumpace: how long have you known these people?
shalom: they feel like my kids
shalom: a few years
shalom: umm lemme think
shalom: 5 or 5 years
shalom: 5 or 6 lol
shalom: Kelly and i are like peas in a pod
eternumpace: how many peas?
shalom: well 3
shalom: no 4
eternumpace: haha
shalom: because there are 2 of me, and Kelly and her hubby
eternumpace: oh yeah. where is the otherpicture
shalom: oh it sucks lol
eternumpace: does it now
shalom: lol yeah
shalom: it's black and white and y ou can only see the top of my head vbasically
shalom: i was in the midst of attacking Kelly
eternumpace: is it an aerial photograph?
shalom: nope lol
eternumpace: oh. i see. an action shot
shalom: yeah
shalom: lol
eternumpace: shalom in action
shalom: heh heh
shalom: after me Kelliness
eternumpace: i think you would be fascinate by the
talk i just had with velvt
shalom: yeah?
eternumpace: these is neat. now i can talk to a
picture of you. there is something so much more civilized about that
shalom: lol
shalom: i guess i could do the same couldn't i?
eternumpace: we were chatting about sexuality and
transcendentalism
shalom: ooooooo
shalom: transcendental tantra
shalom: hehe
eternumpace: velvt says sex, although it can be
transcendent is ultimately doomed by its physicality
eternumpace: and i disagreed
shalom: doomed in what sense?
eternumpace: doomed in the sense i cannot cannot in
and of itself lead one to the ultimate mysteries of the unknown Creator or
Creatrix as the case may be
shalom: hmmm
eternumpace: we must slog through our physical karma
at be done with it as quickly as possible
shalom: i think it can certainly bring insights however
eternumpace: but the funny thing is that velvt is not
a stoic so i pointed out this existential fallacy in here albeit karmic logic
shalom: :)
shalom: what was your argument?
eternumpace: i didn't have much of one. basically
that sex and love were identical and indistingishable to spirit and soul, the
primary elements of the divine romance
eternumpace: like 1 and zero, elements bound by a
common logic
shalom: they have the potential to be, but are often seperate
eternumpace: that seems to be the common perception
shalom: i think it's an achievable state, but one we often choose not to seek
shalom: sometimes we just need ot get laid
shalom: lol
eternumpace: i've never had that feeling
shalom: no?
eternumpace: nope
eternumpace: i have needed to talk
shalom: about what?
eternumpace: it is so ironic that the separation of
sex and love into a dialect or mutually exigent ontology makes earth based
faith synonymous with transcendally based philosphies
eternumpace: but back to the talking part, about
whatever i guess i needed to say lol
shalom: hehe
shalom: so you have never had sex with someone you didn't absolutely love?
eternumpace: lets go back a second lol
shalom: lol kk
eternumpace: in a social sense, sex is a natural
expression of emotional development. this i understand. but i have not
experienced this, so i can't speak intelligently about it. but back to your
question. the answer would have to be yes and no
shalom: lol
eternumpace: with love but not within the confines of
a loving relationship in the usual sense no
shalom: ahhhhh
shalom: ok that makes sense then
eternumpace: good good
shalom: lol
eternumpace: that is more sense than i thought i
would make today when i woke up
eternumpace: bb
shalom: hehehe
shalom: you're doing fine m'dear
eternumpace: anyway. i wanted to say that i enjoyed
speaking with you on the phone the other night.
shalom: i did too
shalom: i had a great time
shalom: :)
eternumpace: you seemed as intelligent and
compassionate as I had expected
shalom: lol
shalom: well i'm glad to hear it
eternumpace: what beautful trees in this picture.
someone should paint something
shalom: hehehe
shalom: in Kelly's site?
eternumpace: yes. i think i saw a painting of these
kinds of trees on saltspring
shalom: nice
shalom: :)
eternumpace: wow. the guy across from me looks like
an extra from the endless summer
shalom: hehehe
shalom: does he now?
eternumpace: how does he fit school in around the
surf i wonder
eternumpace: i wish i were a surfer bum
eternumpace: i'm like an internet bum instead
shalom: he spreads it very thinly
shalom: hehehe me too alas
eternumpace: he is probably getting a degree in
physics for all i know
eternumpace: tis a beautiful day out today is it not
shalom: lol mayhaps
shalom: oooooo aye it is a lovely day
eternumpace: aye aye
shalom: went for a lil walk this morn
eternumpace: yeah. so did I
shalom: :)
shalom: ack
eternumpace: what?
shalom: i should get me some sleep honey
shalom: it's 11
eternumpace: i bet
shalom: hehe
shalom: well
shalom: best be off
shalom: good to see
shalom: you
shalom: lol
eternumpace: would i were well off this place if ever
i go a captain hunting again
shalom: hehehe
eternumpace: thats from an aphra behn play i was in.
i played a prostitute
eternumpace: hehehe
shalom: ooooooo
shalom: well honey
eternumpace: it was gender confusing. i was playing a
woman pretending to be a man lol
shalom: HUGGGSSSSSS
eternumpace: bye bye!
shalom: lol
eternumpace: *hugs hugs
shalom: vistor victoria
shalom: night night
eternumpace: i'll give you a call next week
shalom: sounds perfect
shalom: :)
shalom: *poof*
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eternumpace: *spoof
eternumpace: g'day mate
janiepop: g'day mate
eternumpace: my bro just sent me pictures of his
internet amoure
eternumpace: how you doing today, janie?
janiepop: how n tha heckareya
janiepop: me I'm fine
eternumpace: i'm sickeningly cheery today
janiepop: how's about you
janiepop: lol
janiepop: no such thing dear man
eternumpace: hey, what did we leave off discussing
the other day?
janiepop: mmmmcan I rethink that lol
eternumpace: rethink away
janiepop: there is only one person I have ever met that was
'sickeningly cheery' lol
eternumpace: who was that?
janiepop: a friends mother ....
janiepop: my age
eternumpace: stranger creatures
janiepop: and I did see a play called the Cheery Soul ...saw it
at the Opera House Sydney
janiepop: it sketckes the cheery soul
eternumpace: neat. i like Opera, what little i have
heard on the radio
eternumpace: you won't believe the pants my brother
is wearing in this picture. you will laugh
janiepop: have you ever seen the Sydney Opera House
eternumpace: in the movies i have seen it
eternumpace: like in MI2
janiepop: yes
janiepop: impressive huh
eternumpace: these pants are black with a flame like
pattern all over it, giving a new definittion to hot pants
janiepop: don't say hot pants in front of me
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: i don't even know what they are really
janiepop: it will start me ona reverie that might not stop lol
janiepop: caution dear heart this is what happens when you get
old
eternumpace: hey i want to read something back to you
that i wrote today to see what , if anything, you think about it k?
janiepop: a single word like corn meat or hot pants can throw a
switch on reverie
janiepop: sure love to
janiepop: you know me I have an opinion on everrrrrrrrrrthing
eternumpace: it
is so ironic that the separation of sex and love into a dialect or mutually
exigent ontology makes earth based faith synonymous with transcendally based
philosphies
eternumpace: transcendentally that is
janiepop: souunds teriffic ..what does it mean dear one
janiepop: way over my head hun
eternumpace: mmmm
eternumpace: that heaven and earth are identical?
janiepop: can you simplify it for this old girl
janiepop: ahhhhh I get it
janiepop: I understand that idea
eternumpace: cool
janiepop: but yoru elegant expression is lost on me
janiepop: would you like to pursue the concept here and now
janiepop: ?
eternumpace: well it all started when velvt wrote
that ultimately, she believed she could not completely know god on earth even
though god was completely in her life because physical world was hopelessly
different from the spiritual
janiepop: my phraseology will be more crude than yours
janiepop: well there ya go
eternumpace: i of course, was quick to use sex as an
analogy of spiritual evolution and propriety
janiepop: what else do young men use ...it is good
janiepop: it's a perfect analogy for your age and stage
eternumpace: well, alright. i'll give you that. it's
just that sex is great metaphor for the divine romance fo soul and spirit
janiepop: it is
janiepop: sex can be divine or not
eternumpace: and william blake, the great romantic
and mystical poet wrote that "body is the chief inlet of soul"
janiepop: sex is wonderful mystical union or it can be an evil
eternumpace: what can i say, i'm a psychedlelic sorta
guy, more psychedelic than sexual
eternumpace: how do you mean? besides sex crimes of
course.
janiepop: can you imagine anything more evil than necrophilia
eternumpace: that does sound ugly
janiepop: it does
janiepop: may I tell you a quick funny story
eternumpace: but what if the divine is ambivalent to
our notions of good and evil?
eternumpace: shoot...
janiepop: then we will retun to no dualism as us
janiepop: we had a male cat desexed
janiepop: ..
janiepop: my daughter had moved a lot ..
eternumpace: i mean, does not emotional intelligence
give a lot of elbow room to notions of good and evil?
janiepop: and the cat was getting very upset
eternumpace: ok
janiepop: so although I said no more cats
janiepop: we said ok we'll take the cat
janiepop: the cat's name was Texas the Twistie Cowboy
janiepop: Tex for short
eternumpace: *chuckle
janiepop: anyway we took Tex
janiepop: but he wasn't desexed
eternumpace: was he a texas tornado?
janiepop: so I said desexing
janiepop: lol
janiepop: yup
janiepop: so went vet had Tex desexed
eternumpace: poor lad
janiepop: recovery fine
janiepop: BUT
eternumpace: But...
janiepop: male cats in the neighbourhood
janiepop: ...
eternumpace: made fun of him?
janiepop: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
janiepop: worse
janiepop: came in and beat him up
janiepop: chewed his tail
janiepop: lolllllllllllllll
eternumpace: yikes
eternumpace: i wonder why they did that
janiepop: poor lamb couldn't sit
janiepop: hormones or pheromeones or soem word like that
eternumpace: ok. i buy that
janiepop: anyway the tail got worse
janiepop: till hubby took him back to the vet ...
janiepop: when hubby came hone he said the ver said that Tex had
necrophilia
janiepop: waaaaaaaaaaaaattttt I said
janiepop: ....necophilia
janiepop: surely not lol
eternumpace: never heard of that
janiepop: work with me here lol
eternumpace: ok
janiepop: well I said ..he I haven't known Tex for too long and
he's been about a bit but I could vouch for the fact that Kate's cat would not
be having sex with dead cats
janiepop: .........oooooooo
eternumpace: strange strange stranger than strange
janiepop: Mike are you sure the vet didn't say the cat's tail
was necrosed
eternumpace: as Charlie Brown would say, "Good
Grief"
janiepop: lol ....maybe this has lost something in the telling
janiepop: it was very funny
janiepop: necrosed
eternumpace: necrosed?
janiepop: same word
janiepop: necrosed = dead
janiepop: the area around the wound was necrosed
eternumpace: aaaah
janiepop: .......I hope you're laughing up there
janiepop: I'm in stitches
eternumpace: well ha ha chuckle chuckle
eternumpace: i just had a thought
janiepop: sorry you ahd to be there
janiepop: had
janiepop: so back to more erudie matters
janiepop: settles and starts to breathe normally
janiepop: now
janiepop: back to vels comment
eternumpace: if were are personifactions of nature or
as a Hawaiin shaman writes "god is in me and I am in god and god is a
person like myself" then perhaps it the western notion of the locality of
consciousness that makes society think upon non-human or even non-living forms
as "dead"
eternumpace: i don't think i said that very well
eternumpace: hey, did you ever see themovie, Powder?
janiepop: nope ...... to Powder ......and what did you think
when vel said that she couldn't know god on earth
eternumpace: i thought that that was a common opinion
in the world
eternumpace: here is a line from the movie, Powder...
eternumpace: Where
lies the final harbor whence we are more no more. In what path be who travels
the world in which the weariest never weary. Where is the foundling's father
hidden? Our souls are like those orphans whose unwedded mothers die in burying
them. And the secret of our paternity lies in their grave. And we must there
learn it."
eternumpace: To me, that is a lament about the loss
of Spirit in human culture
janiepop: yep
janiepop: when you say spirit ,,,do you mean hope for the future
?
eternumpace: when i say spirit i mean the light in
all things
janiepop: a loss of faith ?
janiepop: so hope would be a necessary but not sufficient
element of spirit
janiepop: ie hope is a part of spirit ?
eternumpace: i mean the ontological necessity of
modern man's existential dilemma, namely that we are in awe of the dead and our
own deadness because we don't know where to place our faith in the omnipresent
light of the profane
janiepop: ok so are you talking about the Unbearable Lightness
of being
eternumpace: i like that phrase :-)
eternumpace: yes, though. hope and faith go together.
i agree
janiepop: it was a book and a movie
janiepop: as usual the book was better
janiepop: the movie couldn't capture the subtle light nature
janiepop: of the concept
janiepop: btw there was a lot of nice sex in it lol
eternumpace: i think i hav heard of that
eternumpace: i'll have to rent it
janiepop: do
eternumpace: i do will
janiepop: and read the book
eternumpace: perhaps
eternumpace: hehe
janiepop: ok well
janiepop: may I ask
janiepop: you
eternumpace: yes?
janiepop: have you experienced the Unbearable Lightness of being
in an otherwise bleak landscape ?
janiepop: ie have you experienced heaven on earth ?
eternumpace: mmm. lemme think. the closest i can
relate is when i see children with their parents like on the bus today. they
always cheer me up
janiepop: a unity of purpose ...where it all makes sense
eternumpace: make me laugh at myself
eternumpace: sometimes things look to me like they
all makes sense yes. now and then. not often enough perhaps
janiepop: how old are you again ?
eternumpace: 28
janiepop: that's right ty
janiepop: now let me tell you something
eternumpace: do tell
janiepop: do you trust me
eternumpace: yes. i suppose :-)
janiepop: you gonna have to do better than that lol
eternumpace: well you are making me nervous
janiepop: why ?
eternumpace: because when someone asks do you trust
me it usually means they are going to get really personal lol
eternumpace: http://www.geocities.com/sunriseinny3/AbbyRoad.html
janiepop: ok be calm be brave and don't foget to breathe lol
eternumpace: hey, try that poem when you get a sec
eternumpace: alright. i'm breathing
janiepop: ok ..trust me on this one
janiepop: just this one time
eternumpace: ok doky
janiepop: I would say
janiepop: artichoke
janiepop: listen up now
eternumpace: artichoke. ok, i'm listening...doctor
janiepop: I suspect
janiepop: I suspect that
janiepop: you have already
janiepop: open the window
janiepop: on yoru own divine
janiepop: this emerging awareness
janiepop: can be cultivated
eternumpace: plough my high field, my fallow ground,
Inanna :-)
janiepop: yep
eternumpace: i am interested in cultivating. always.
janiepop: I tell you something
janiepop: I say heaven can wait
eternumpace: that sounds like a line from a song
janiepop: I am a happy woman in what other people might see as a
bleak landcape
janiepop: I have had my fair share of troubles
janiepop: and yet I am happy
eternumpace: I bet. it must take heavy troubles to
learn a lot of things in life
janiepop: yes that's the interesting bit
janiepop: so work with me here
eternumpace: although, I must say, personally speaking, if i had paid more attention to
my sunday school teachers, i could have avoided a lot of troubles myself
eternumpace: ok. i am working with you, mate
janiepop: ....... mmmmmm re ssteachers .....you have faced
yourself
janiepop: ....from the sounds of things you have been tested so
to speak
eternumpace: boy, you are wickey with your
perceptions when you wanna be
janiepop: people pay me to do this lol
eternumpace: i meant wicked but wickey works good too
janiepop: wickey works
eternumpace: you are not going to bill me are you?
janiepop: no mates rates to you
janiepop: comma after no, as above
eternumpace: aaah. ok lol. thankee sai
janiepop: yVw
janiepop: some of the most profound insights into life the
universe and everthing are 'hard won '
eternumpace: seems like life would be a lot easier,
however, if we were just born 50
janiepop: when ppl have been tested in the fire
janiepop: no don't be born 50
eternumpace: ok. 65
janiepop: the jouney to 50 is exotic
eternumpace: that way you can retire right away
eternumpace: exotic. mmm. ok. that sounds intrigueing
janiepop: it's all the e's
janiepop: exotic enchanting
janiepop: work with me here
eternumpace: eroneous?
eternumpace: just kidding
janiepop: yes that too
janiepop: erotic
eternumpace: erudite?
janiepop: yes
eternumpace: emblematic
eternumpace: emeliorative
eternumpace: hey. that was your word
janiepop: I'm sure I'd agree if I knew what it meant lol
eternumpace: anyway. i dunno
janiepop: do you remember Monkey Magic ?
eternumpace: Monkey Magic. lady you are trying my
memory today
janiepop: haha
eternumpace: i don't remember
janiepop: monkey would say ........the joy is in the journey
janiepop: tell you what
eternumpace: do tell
janiepop: I have met very few people in chat who are living in
heaven
eternumpace: that is another neat turn of phrase
janiepop: and they mostly follow a religious tradition of soem
sort
janiepop: I know these things
janiepop: why don't you ask a few of them
eternumpace: i may do that
eternumpace: that reminds me of something lol
janiepop: when are you most likely to encounter the divine ?
eternumpace: long time ago
janiepop: ask soem question like that
janiepop: listening
eternumpace: i was writing something, i was quite
depressed at the time, in high insight, but i showed it to a christian friend
of mine
eternumpace: don't laugh, but the title was "Am
I Christ: A Picture Book of Words"
eternumpace: and in it i wrote the phrase "if
you are not living forever,you are not living at all" and he challenged me
saying, ok, so if you are so smart i challenge you to live forever...
janiepop: I won't laugh
eternumpace: and said, "ok"
eternumpace: lol
janiepop: but sweetie ......
eternumpace: oh oh
janiepop: this is how I think of it
janiepop: we are actually meant to be living like that
eternumpace: i'm glad you think that way
janiepop: feeling like we are going to live forever
eternumpace: mmm
janiepop: that we are so happy with our human life
janiepop: that although we will be sad to say good bye
eternumpace: i once wrote, "the only lie left is
the blaspheme against the spirit" meaning the holy ghost has promised us
we are eternal and this should be the guiding principle of our lives
janiepop: we wil also be able to say ..thanks for the chance to
experience the human condition
eternumpace: i read once that death was supposed to
be the most beautiful experience of our lives
janiepop: eternumpace your name says it all
janiepop: if we have lived a good life why wouldn't it be
eternumpace: but what if the best part of our lives
is already been lived? hehe
eternumpace: that is a bit of a trick question
janiepop: if we believe in the soul is eternal .......
janiepop: then surely we are just moving to an altered dimension
eternumpace: yeah, like Utah lol
janiepop: lol
janiepop: another good movie
eternumpace: i have used that joke one too many times
now
janiepop: you'll know this one ...Michael
eternumpace: what movie?
janiepop: Michael
eternumpace: oh yeah. saw that. i liked it a lot
janiepop: John Travolta
janiepop: me too ..luuuuuve him
janiepop: amd llllluved the character
eternumpace: humans are like fish out of water
janiepop: ok there is an angel
janiepop: big smokin and too much sugar on the bekkie
janiepop: but an angel
janiepop: ok powers
janiepop: anyway I digress
janiepop: the trouble is this
eternumpace: k
janiepop: you are probably told you're too something ......
janiepop: too young
janiepop: too ...... work with me here
eternumpace: too trusting
eternumpace: :-)
janiepop: ahhh there ya
go
janiepop: too
janiepop: .....
janiepop: well whatever ...you are not
janiepop: trust yourself
janiepop: trust your intuition
janiepop: believe in it
eternumpace: mmm. that is some good advice
janiepop: and you will touch yur divine spark ..you can fan it
janiepop: so that it grows to a bright flame
janiepop: which will warm you in the bleakest days
eternumpace: wow. you're good
janiepop: and all the dark nights of the soul
eternumpace: lol
janiepop: I rest my case
eternumpace: we will take a recess why the jury
deliberates
eternumpace: while the jury deliberates
janiepop: all stand for the judge
eternumpace: "we the jury find janiepop Guilty
Guilty Guilty of being too cool for school"
eternumpace: ah well. it sounded funnier in my head
janiepop: thank you your honour and bows deeply to the bench
eternumpace: but seriously. i will remember what you
said
janiepop: take this with you boy
janiepop: and take this reading list
janiepop: start with
janiepop: Thomas Moore ..Care of the Soul
eternumpace: copying that down
janiepop: this is a good book ........
janiepop: trust me onthis one
janiepop: there arr a miilion books like this
janiepop: but this is a book among books ..an author among
authors
janiepop: I have a huge library
eternumpace: well, i'll just have to look that one up
at the public library
janiepop: sugar made me laugh one day
eternumpace: in fact, i can check the database right
now
janiepop: check
janiepop: she said she wanted my library
eternumpace: yeah?
janiepop: yep she did
janiepop: on the wall above my computer ..I have a list
eternumpace: oooh. they have it on audio tape. i'm going
to order it right now
eternumpace: isn't the web fun
janiepop: great
janiepop: the magic box ...awesome
janiepop: I still haven't quite 'recovered' from the phone
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: just requested that item. in less than a
weeek.
janiepop: great
eternumpace: thomas moore will be seranading me to
sleep in short order
janiepop: yes I have a staff library card at Uni even though I
now work at home
eternumpace: so what abou this reading list. you two
share a lot in common?
janiepop: we do
janiepop: she is a liberal
janiepop: and so am I
eternumpace: you know, that is just what you would
say if you were both marrying the same guy, "we do"
eternumpace: yes. i would say sugar is very liberal
:-)
janiepop: lol
janiepop: she loves all ideas
eternumpace: she showed me a pictureof her the other
day
janiepop: some wiccans are very fndy
janiepop: she isn't
janiepop: did she
eternumpace: lmao. so neat that you would see that
eternumpace: pagan fundys. you are sooo right
janiepop: terrifying
janiepop: jane has problems with all fundy's
eternumpace: i have met people. lovely, intelligent
souls that honestly believe christian is a synonym for stupid
janiepop: may I send you a copy of a chat sugar and I had
eternumpace: if you can do that. yess!!
janiepop: with a man called erotao
eternumpace: erotao. yeah. he's cool
janiepop: I'll send it to you
janiepop: do you knw him
eternumpace: i have chatted briefly with him way back
when
janiepop: he hasn't been about in ages ?
eternumpace: no. he hasn't
eternumpace: but let me interject for a second
janiepop: yes he gave up chat for Lent last year
janiepop: interject
eternumpace: I have at times been very sympathetic to
the pagan fndy but i have slowly grown out of it, like a hold over form
adolescence it is
janiepop: listning
eternumpace: took me a long time to find my own way
and be comfortable with it, now like sugar, i would say i am fairly ecclectic
but ultimately agreeable with many if not all faiths
janiepop: all faiths but not all believers huh
eternumpace: the fundy perspective i believe,
however, is somehow endemic to all consciousness evolution, more like a
compulsion than a faith
janiepop: there is more communion between liberals of any
persuasion
eternumpace: right, not all believers, everone must
answer to the human perspective, one of integreity and self respect
janiepop: yep
janiepop: I believe in all the major traditions
janiepop: they are al pure in essence
eternumpace: all faiths have had or are having a
fundamentalist element. in a way, paganism is having its right now
janiepop: I just happen to be most familiar with the Jesus story
that's all
eternumpace: yeah. same here
eternumpace: but because it was the only story i
knew, i automatically doubted it. that was youth talking
janiepop: Jesus as a role model suits my personality
janiepop: compassionate mystical revolutionary
eternumpace: so are you going to email me that chat
you mentioned?
eternumpace: yes
janiepop: yes I will and I will also mail you a couple of other
bits
eternumpace: good good ty
janiepop: about how I absconded from a Buddhist retreat
eternumpace: alright * that should be an interestin
read
janiepop: I can 'tell' the people in chat who are living a non
dual life
janiepop: they have that ring of confidence and I'm not talking
toothpaste
janiepop: they have another one of my favourite words
eternumpace: non dual. velvt mentiones that a lot
janiepop: authenticity
janiepop: sugar has it
janiepop: you have it
janiepop: I have it
eternumpace: hey. what was that movie again. oh yeah.
the unbearable lightness of being. i wanna rent that today
janiepop: yep
janiepop: now dear heart I need to go .....
janiepop: I'll send you the mail
eternumpace: oh. wow. well you certainly use my time
wisely i'll say
janiepop: and I just want to pop in and see a coupel of other
folks
eternumpace: you take care now. don't let any
boomerangs hit you in the head, which, incidentally, an aussie i met out here
says that aliens taugh them how to make boomerangs lol
janiepop: you remind me of very good filet steak
janiepop: mayeb they did
eternumpace: perhaps :-)
eternumpace: go do your thing. thanks for all your
time
eternumpace: i'll check my inbox
janiepop: now ..I love talking to you
janiepop: ok will send this very day
eternumpace: ok then on this very day i will expect
it then
janiepop: and I thank you fir all your time
eternumpace: and i willhave to give you my bro's
address so you can counsel his taste in clothing
eternumpace: yVw
janiepop: good
eternumpace: good good
eternumpace: bye now, janie. i've got movies to rent
and time to loaf and invite my soul
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