eternumpace: : wow. waiting for excite chat to load is liking waiting in line at Disneyland: one feels simultaneously like the newly crowned prince of the hopeful but slightly bored nation of restless anticipation come cunning philoligists, bring us your your poor your huddled masses of prayerful anticipation of the eternities inside eternity

 

0_sugar_0: LOL, damn that was a mouthful to type!

0_sugar_0: I just got back from driving a friend to a doctors appointment.  I got to be present for her sonogram, she's having a girl. :o)

eternumpace: lucky her. i wish i could make a girl for myself

0_sugar_0: heh, your young hun, you got lots of time to do that.  besides, men can create babies all of their lives, we women...well, our eggs have a shorter shelf life.  only good for about 40 years then they go stale.  :o)

eternumpace: was she photogenic?

0_sugar_0: lol, yes, the baby cooperated beautifully, mooned the sonogram machine right off the bat so we could tell the sex

eternumpace: don't you think that is a violation of her privacy?

eternumpace: i bet ya if you could listen to her her little baby thoughts she would be saying "i can't get no respect"

0_sugar_0: nah, babies don't care about showing off their privates....we teach em to hide what they got as they grow older

0_sugar_0: lol....Im surprised this kid didnt flip us off to be honest, my friends other kids are all pretty spunky, little spit fire personalities

eternumpace: well Yeah! by taking pictures of her privates

0_sugar_0: hehe, what can i say :o)

0_sugar_0: they have new technology now, they can create a 3-D image of a baby in sonograms now

eternumpace: i telly ya  if some stranger had tried to take a pic of my lil wiglly woo i would have made it my goal to pee pee and ka ka all over him

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: 3D? that sounds pretty cool

0_sugar_0: we saw some sample pics...pretty wild

eternumpace: someone should get the bright idea to make her the world's youngest covergirl

eternumpace: the caption could read "cosmos tips for dealing with voyeurs"

0_sugar_0: lol, well, my friend loves to knit, and wanted to know the sex of the baby so she could knit in pink or blue...nothing like gender stereo typing before the kid is even born huh?

eternumpace: i dunno. i don't think most people are as gender specific as they may like to believe

0_sugar_0: I was the oldest of 4 kids, my dad always treated me as if I was 'one of the guys'

eternumpace: see. now that's a good exercise.

0_sugar_0: guess so, Im comfortable with myself as a woman, physically, emotionally etc...but I relate to men very easily.

eternumpace: yeah. that's good. i don't think gender is so culturally conditioned as we imagine. but thats just my opinion

0_sugar_0: I think it matters more to parents and adults, kids could care less

eternumpace: see that's an instance i cannot relate to. i never progress naturally through all the stages of child development. that last stage i remember was playing with my boyhood chums' penis behind the couch, which i am told is normal

0_sugar_0: most kids are curious about themselves and about others...they don't have the moral connotations that we as adults have

eternumpace: thank god for that, and ironically enough, probably the last normal thing i ever did

0_sugar_0: ah hell, have to define normal...normal falls into a wide range

eternumpace: yeah, well that's a good point

0_sugar_0: I know I sure didnt have the Ozzie and Harriet upbringing, but figure, it could have been worse

eternumpace: there are many little fears a child is suppose to cognitively respond to socially during formative years

eternumpace: .e.g fear of dark, meeting new people, sexual arousal, auto erotic stimulation, fear of death ...

0_sugar_0: yeah, all things we deal with or have to face at some point in our child hood...or adult hood

0_sugar_0: I often wonder how big a part 'religion' plays in how we relate to the opposite sex, as well as how healthy we are in our sexual relationships.

eternumpace: i believe emotionality is primary to sexuality, you ok with one the other takes care of itself

0_sugar_0: that is how it works for me.  to turn on the crotch, I have to turn on the heart first.

eternumpace: or as anne carson writes "love makes sex sex"

eternumpace: hehehe. i think i read that in a fortune cookie once

0_sugar_0: lol....hey, there is some wisdom in fortune cookies

eternumpace: "to turn on crotch, turn on heart"

0_sugar_0: LOL...I missed my calling I should be writting for fortune cookie companies

eternumpace: "help. i am stuck in a fortune cookie factory"

0_sugar_0: :o)

0_sugar_0: Ive had 'meaningless sex' before, but didnt care much for it.  kinda like eating chinese food, your hungry for something more an hour later....

0_sugar_0: and the meaningless part is a misnomer...it has meaning...

0_sugar_0: but it only means you are looking for emotion, not the sex

0_sugar_0: just substituting sex in its place as a placebo

0_sugar_0: that is how it was for me

eternumpace: i believe that

0_sugar_0: some I guess, see it as an ego booster, that still relates to inner self though.  the thrill of the conquest, helps their own self esteem...but its shallow and doesnt last so they have to go out and find another person to conquer sexually

eternumpace: i know exactly what that feels like. a woman tried to do that to me once

0_sugar_0: yeah, had a few guys try that one on me too...the more I said no...the more they liked the challenge.  One of em even admitted to it.

eternumpace: what a shame. the ego is such a precious thing to waste

0_sugar_0: lol...and some have a LOT of ego to waste...big heads and such

eternumpace: funny, how no one ever brags about how big their head is

0_sugar_0: lol...good point

eternumpace: what room are you in?

0_sugar_0: CC 1

eternumpace: i had trouble getting to stay in a room. kept spitting me out. hence the message i sent you at begin

0_sugar_0: christian chat...they were having a discussion on evolution, science, astronomy etc...but its degenrated to the usual drivel now

eternumpace: lol

0_sugar_0: lol, have to glue some velcro on your butt so you will stick in a room

eternumpace: can you do that

0_sugar_0: hehe, I imagine you could...but Iwould hate to think how its gonna hurt when you rip that velcro loose at the end of the day

eternumpace: ouch

eternumpace: i'm still here, sugar. just someone i haven't talked for a while (Triese) IM'ing me

0_sugar_0: k hun :o)

0_sugar_0: no problem

eternumpace: kk

eternumpace: i'm gong to try getting into a room again. wish me luck

0_sugar_0: (keeps my fingers crossed for luck)

eternumpace: ty

eternumpace: naa. tis not gonna work for me. but at least i can see evybodies avs

0_sugar_0: :o(

0_sugar_0: wish you could get in here to talk, interesting conversation...debate...argument?  lol

eternumpace: is there anything interesting being discussed?

0_sugar_0: sort of...faith/god/faith...the circular thinking of it

0_sugar_0: vs logic and science

0_sugar_0: a side conversation about trust and honesty in giving open and frank opinions

eternumpace: interesinting. i read an articly in a newspaper up here. the story was about a retired episcopalian minister who said that many fundamental points of catholic doctrine were made obsolete by modern science and philosophy and that the church has vered from the common task of revearing what is most human about us all

0_sugar_0: sounds like an interesting article!

eternumpace: and, in so doing, it has or had alienated many people who, sadly or no, could still greatly benefist from the essential message of faith taught by biblical stories and myths what have you

0_sugar_0: I like the episcopalians, they are the only denomination that requires psychological testing before they will ordain their ministers

eternumpace: to me, the essential debate is and will always be abaout reality versus fantasy and the laws thereof

eternumpace: really? i didn't know that

0_sugar_0: yeah, I know an episcipal priest :o)

eternumpace: and to that debate, we can only really solicite the aid of human culture, its history and practic in both extant art and literature and human biology vis a vis the study of consciousness

eternumpace: i hope you don't know this fellow in the biblical sense

0_sugar_0: I think therefore I am....I am therefore I am spirit...that is pretty much my views, regardless of the doctorine

0_sugar_0: LOL...no I dont...chuckle

0_sugar_0: just as a friend

eternumpace: i like that doctrine. sounds exactly like the eatern yogic philosophy i am reading in "the divine romance"

0_sugar_0: really?

eternumpace: yes. right on the money. i was just reading today about the indian cosmology about how pure spirit dreampt up light and space as thought forms of varying degrees of solidity, consciousness itself being the closest with the non-vibration or infite vibrations of Spirit

0_sugar_0: Ive had a few people tell me I have a buddhist way of looking at things

0_sugar_0: you read some cool books hun :o)

0_sugar_0: wish i could find a good library close to me

eternumpace: but also that each thought-form thing or person or vegetable or animal is also endowed with a direct link the divine principle that is it conception and ultimate and imminent destiny spread over a karmic dream scape or archescape of joy and hate, pain and pleasure

eternumpace: but here's a part you will like even more, sugar

0_sugar_0: k, I like what youve mentioned so far...and agree with it

eternumpace: the author, a Master of a kind, says that he rarely reads entire books since it would take hime more time than he has to glean all of his facts and knowledge. he says, instead, there is a truth-field that contains all potential knowledge and that soul is always in direct contact with it, such that he can read a few lines from a book or so forth and intuit the entire thrust of the work

eternumpace: sounds very spiritually economical to me

0_sugar_0: no shit?  hhmmm....I tend to read sections of books myself...not finish them, but get the general gist of them, unless they are a 'story' or novel

eternumpace: yeah. see. so do I. pretty neat huh?

0_sugar_0: lol, very neat!

0_sugar_0: sometimes I can get half way thru a book, or a chapter, and I already know what is coming

eternumpace: so, every day, we are encountering library after library

eternumpace: yes. all art contains a "suspension of disbelief". i think this is why we enjoy it so much, it "reminds" us of what we already know

eternumpace: this is also why i beliefe, as cultural historian william irwin thompson writes in "the time falling bodies take to light" that "art is religion for modern man"

0_sugar_0: kinda rings of morphic resonance...that is what it reminds me of...a collective connection

eternumpace: also, in this paradigm, even tv commercials are extremely high art or hieroglypch since they can remind us of the magic rite that is our home in  infinite knowledge and consenus belief (and disbelief) as the case may be

eternumpace: i'm sure you have heard about how the number Zero was considred taboo in pythagorus' day, say roughly 2500 years ago

0_sugar_0: no...never heard it was taboo

eternumpace: it was

eternumpace: since it didn't signify anything "real"

0_sugar_0: I always thought zero was considered to be a 'perfect' number, no value, yet all other numbers hinge on its existance

eternumpace: zero was a work of witchcraft at first

eternumpace: it was only later added to the mathematical number line and yes, has come to be the pivot around which all math rests

eternumpace: but here is the irony...

0_sugar_0: kk...always like irony...lol

eternumpace: the very reason zero was considred taboo by sociey thousands of years ago is the same reason scientific and mathematical reasoning has become so theological (and not always rightly so)

eternumpace: because humanity has always associated the "map" with the "land"

0_sugar_0: hhmmm...good info for me to chew over.

eternumpace: we are dogmatic by nature imo

eternumpace: as much as science and math have helped us "map" are worlds personal and collective they still do not come close replicating the diversity of nature

0_sugar_0: we are dogmatic, i agree

0_sugar_0: we like our comfortable ruts

eternumpace: we are all architects that become so enamoured with the dream we forget that we constructed it

eternumpace: as poem william wordsworth writes in "intimations of immortality" we are all "nature's priests"

0_sugar_0: we are immitations of the divine

eternumpace: but to finish my point, what i find particularly interesting and noteworth about the number zero is how it figures into electronic communication and or consensus what i like to call boolean theology

0_sugar_0: boolean?

eternumpace: immitations of the divine. now you sound like Plato. good for you.

eternumpace: or is that Socrates? i always forget

0_sugar_0: lol...have no idea...I just know a 'truth' when I hear it  or think of it

eternumpace: Boolean was the chap who invented boolean logic, on which all computer programming rests til this day

0_sugar_0: most of the time, its already been 'thunk' before...LOL

0_sugar_0: is that part of the binary system of math?

eternumpace: Boolean logic constists of an infinite iteration of the question "yes or no?" which is thus answered by a one or a zero by machine or computer architecture

eternumpace: yes. binary logic!

0_sugar_0: kk, thought that is what it sounded like...I have no idea how it works, only enough to know basically what it is

eternumpace: it is almost laughably simple and yet extraordinarily beautiful as we can easily see now

0_sugar_0: my brother has studied a bit of binary math for his job...he said its really easy once you know how

eternumpace: but going back to your morhic resonance an artscientist named Todd Siler (M.I.T) has proposed that things called Metaphorms are always operating in human invantion

0_sugar_0: I wonder if he has read Rupert Shackelferds theories of morphic resonance

0_sugar_0: I am gonna have to scoot in a few minutes hun...

eternumpace: a Metaphorm or Metaphormology simply states that all patterns human or naturel are similar in function and therefore, similar in design

eternumpace: oky doky doggy daddy

0_sugar_0: have to run some errands before my daughter gets home from school

eternumpace: that is a one

eternumpace: meaning yes

0_sugar_0: lol...good to see you again, dont see enough of you

eternumpace: 0

0_sugar_0: :o)

eternumpace: 0 and 1

eternumpace: ciao for now. good chattin widya, Dawg

0_sugar_0: you take care, I'll look up some of those books you mentioned next time Im at the library

eternumpace: good good

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**Plato proposed that the microcosm reflects through beautiful symmetry (and perhaps in a dialect of beauty only apparent to the soul and its aspirations dreampt in the forms of humanity’s archetypes and imagination) the macrocosm or cosmos. In so going, it is a relatively small leap to propose that the universe is digital; the universe is spiritual, the soul is a 1 and the spirit is a zero. But I digress. I wanna go to DISNEYLAND!!! [The mesocosm would then be the daemon or body with its regenerate mysteries or vegetation deities in parade along its many passions. A literal and metaphorical bottom line or Word in matter and mind carrying equal weight…We are the Sun, omnipresent in our potentiality throughout the laws of Nature, wedded through blood and soul to our imminent actuality from dawn to dusk. Thus, the world as we know it and not know it is as real as it is imagined. So mote, it be. Amen.]

 

                            

 

 

                                               

Spirit of Beauty, that dost consecrate

With thine own hues all thou dost

Shine upon

Of human thought or form, where art thou gone?

Why dost thou pass away, and leave our state,

This dim vast vale of tears, vacant and desolate?-

Ask why the sunlight not forever

Weaves rainbows o’er yon mountain river;

Why aught should fail and fade that once is shown;

Why fear and dream and death and birth

Cast on the daylight of this earth

Such gloom; why man has such a scope

For love and hate, despondency and hope.

 

III

 

No voice from some sublimer world hath ever

To sage or poet these responses given;

Therefore the names of Demon, Ghost and Heaven,

Remain the records of their vain endeavor –

Frail spells, whose uttered charm might

Not avail to sever,

From all we hear and all we see,

Doubt, chance and mutability.

Thy light alone, like mist o’er mountains driven,

Or music by the night wind sent

Through strings of some still instrument,

Or moonlight on a midnight stream,

Gives grace and truth to life’s unquiet dream.

 

VII

 

The day becomes more solemn and serene

When noon is past; there is a harmony

In autumn, and a luster in its sky,

Which through the summer is not heard or seen,

As if it could not be, as if it had not been!

Thus let thy power, which like the truth

Of nature on my passive youth

Descended, to my onward life supply

Its calm, - to one who worships thee,

And every form containing thee,

Whom, Spirit fair, thy spells did bind

To fear himself, and love all humankind.

 

From “Hymn To Intellectual Beauty”

By

Percy Bysshe Shelley