eternumpace: how's tricks with velvt today?

velvt.: i'm in bad shape

velvt.: ack

eternumpace: no way. i'm sorry to hear that

velvt.: me too LOL

velvt.: thank you

eternumpace: anything in particular. or just the general fatigue thing worse than usual?

velvt.: the general illness, worse than usual

velvt.: CFS isn't just fatigue

eternumpace: mmm. yeah. ok.

eternumpace: do you know why it is worse today or does it just get worse all by itself?

velvt.: both

velvt.: i couldn't sleep saturday night... was up 32 hours, then just short naps sunday night, then went shopping yesterday

eternumpace: well, on a slightly lighter note. how is your gorgeious love life enfolding your aquamarine wet dreams lately?

velvt.: the 'couldn't sleep' is part of the CFS, and then i did too much yesterday, even though i felt bad and knew i shouldn't

velvt.: nothing happened sunday, when my new guy came over

velvt.: he was rapidly getting sick, so we just visited while i pumped him full of vitamins and minerals

eternumpace: still. i'm impressed with you social life lol. mine is the pits

velvt.: well, don't be impressed

velvt.: i have had sex once in 11 years, and met the other guy twice to just talk

eternumpace: still. i'm happy for you

velvt.: ty

velvt.: me too

eternumpace: things happen when they will i know. iwas seriously depressed for years and still am although much better now

velvt.: the men i'm connecting with are nice people, so that's good

eternumpace: cool :-)

velvt.: don't give up your meds too readily

eternumpace: what do you mean?

velvt.: i have chronic depression too

eternumpace: don't quit them you mean?

velvt.: called dysthimea

velvt.: right

eternumpace: dysthimea? what is that?

eternumpace: i have according to my doc, chronic anxiety, chronic depression and schizo-affective dissorder

velvt.: dysthimea is chronic low grade depression, long term, with occasional full blown clinical depression

eternumpace: wow. you are so educated on this stuff

velvt.: because i have it!

velvt.: LOL

eternumpace: yeah lol

velvt.: i did work as a therapist in a psychiatric facility for awhile, too

eternumpace: you know my shrink helped me out a lot when he told me that to be human is to self mutilate. that made so much sense to me for some reason

eternumpace: ooh. like janiepop

velvt.: she wasn't a therapist, but does marriage counseling now in her home

velvt.: self mutilation? hmmm... never heard that but it makes some sense

eternumpace: yeah

velvt.: my therapist helped me a lot when he validated that suicide was a viable option for me

eternumpace: wow

eternumpace: i like that

velvt.: so i didn't need to reject it as not being possible, when it clearly was an alternative.

velvt.: but then when i didn't need to fight it, i didn't need to pay attention to it either

eternumpace: i know, while in a depression clinic they gave me this stupid article about how people who committed suicide were once dragged thru the streets in shame. what bs

velvt.: how can you be dragged in shame if you are dead ? LOL

eternumpace: exactly

velvt.: mogen, my shrink, mentioned that in effect all great spiritual masters commit suicide, by deciding when to die

eternumpace: what a shrink. can i call him?

velvt.: he's incredible

velvt.: but i think he moved to hawaii

velvt.: i saw him twice a week for years, though, and he saved me

velvt.: two PhD's, private practice, vedic <hindu>, and himself from a dysfunctional alcoholic family, so knew my situation inside and out

eternumpace: i love this man

velvt.: when i first encountered eckankar and was considering it, he went out and did a ton of reading and research on it so he would know what i was experiencing

velvt.: he learned the precepts faster than i did

eternumpace: this man is a saint

velvt.: yes he is

velvt.: :)

eternumpace: there is so much psychic superstition out there about reality it makes me want to hurl

velvt.: that's attachment LOL

velvt.: get rid of it, fly free

eternumpace: that sounds delightful

eternumpace: i don't know what i would have done if i hadn't met a seclect few actualized people like yerself.

eternumpace: the last few years have been tough on me

velvt.: attachment is the root of the troubles of this world, and our lives in this world, i think

velvt.: ah, thank you

velvt.: they have been tough, but differently for me

eternumpace: ihave a thought but it will take me a sec to express it

velvt.: go for it, but i can't stay too long

eternumpace: good and evil are constitutive of all sexual dialectisism

 

eternumpace: or "duality"

velvt.: ok... sort of :)

eternumpace: and transexual obfuscation is universally exigent of same

 

eternumpace: hence, every "christ" is archetypally androgynous

 

eternumpace: this is my artist's proof of schizophrenia amonst actualized human beings

velvt.: yeah! i like that

velvt.: r.d. laing... ever hear of him or read anything by him?

eternumpace: no. familiar to me though

velvt.: british psychiatrist

eternumpace: do tell

velvt.: kind of a pop author in the 60s and 70s

eternumpace: ok ok

velvt.: he postulates that schizophrenia is the result of a chemical difference.....

velvt.: and the result is that our filters are weakened

eternumpace: .oO me thinks that if i gave that proof to my shrink he will bump up my medication to ungodly proportions

velvt.: so they perceive things most of us screen out... and overwhelm

eternumpace: that sounds like what i have heard in part

eternumpace: yes

eternumpace: i agree

velvt.: don't connect so strongly to the everyday world as most of us

eternumpace: prone to heightened stress response

velvt.: but aren't supported, or guided, in making sense of the other perceptions

eternumpace: les developed social ego

eternumpace: yes. i have guided myself or god has through my poetry and prose

velvt.: :)

eternumpace: and also my readings of romantic poetry and diff religions

velvt.: stronger will, stronger mind, stronger soul... who knows why some can handle it and others can't?

eternumpace: James Joyce people think was schizo and yet it is known that he was quite able to carry on lucid conversations about the everyday. that is a typical case of pejorative diagnosis because of artistic prejudice

eternumpace: Jack Kerouac was probaly shizo as was probably jim morrison

velvt.: well, perhaps he was schizo, but was able to handle it

velvt.: laing's point is that schizo wouldn't be a mental illness, simply a different state of existance than average

velvt.: it is in how people can handle it, with or without support, that determines their ability to function in the everyday world

eternumpace: my point is that schizo as a diagnosis is used almost religious by doctors in many cases and by religious i mean i drastict contrast or even indifference to the different mythological or mythopoec underpinning of the divided self

velvt.: what is your IQ?

eternumpace: i read your point, btw. yes. i agree wholeheartedly. that is the humanist perspective, that the schizo is hypersane

eternumpace: my IQ? i haven't a clue

eternumpace: high i suppose

velvt.: oh, you have a clue... it's high

velvt.: lol

eternumpace: why thank you ma'am

velvt.: so is mine

velvt.: but i don't know what it is either

velvt.: my parents knew but wouldn't tell me LOL

eternumpace: the thing is, i don't distinguish my "intellect" from teh series of stress response techniques that have come to characterize my sense of self, my personality

eternumpace: so, in point of fact, my IQ cannot be measured

eternumpace: but yes, I sense it to be high

eternumpace: I suppose ;)

velvt.: :)

velvt.: i figure whatever mine is, it makes no difference, since i haven't used much of it anyway LOL

eternumpace: well, i've been handing out nakked pics of myself to wingedmessenger. what do you think? would you like one?

velvt.: winged messenger?

eternumpace: yeah. you seem really stupid

velvt.: you sent me some webshots one time, so i've seen your glory :)

eternumpace: a young lady i met this week.

eternumpace: oh, fuck. really? lol

velvt.: :)

eternumpace: i have no shame

velvt.: you asked first, so that's cool

eternumpace: if i could add one element to my above proof of whatever, i would add that the archetypal (and real) Lord and Lady are utterly ambivilent to human notions of good and evil, notions mind you

velvt.: i agree

eternumpace: in my life, i am learning, that so called evil has taught me as much as so called good

eternumpace: i suppose that rhymes with what you said about detachment

velvt.: good/evil are a function of duality, and i think duality is a characteristic of this physical plane, not the greater universal reality

eternumpace: i beginning to learn this of recent

eternumpace: i feel it is a part of my growth at a very deep level

eternumpace: part of my soul 's journey

velvt.: i got into that a couple of years ago... had to give up the idea of good and evil

eternumpace: i am slowly giving it up, however, we cannot neglect that cultuer utilizes those terms and figures and forms to very entertaining ends

eternumpace: so i don't think the terms themselves are useless

eternumpace: perhaps another funciton of how we localize the dream pe se, ie culture

velvt.: as long as we KNOW it's illusion, and don't get swayed inappropriately <spiritually> then that's fine.. it's part of living in this world

eternumpace: ah yes

velvt.: much like emotions

eternumpace: we have to create dreams in order to wake from them, or to create greater restfullness i suppose

velvt.: they are part of us, but we can put aside being controlled too much by them, too

eternumpace: you are right on. emotions, dream, sexuality, all linked so close they are synonymous to any given one

velvt.: any given one person?

eternumpace: any given element or person yes i suppose, the spirit being, emotive being, sex being, etc

velvt.: that is our task here

eternumpace: we wear masks

velvt.: to change our self perception, our consciousness

eternumpace: that reminds me, let me give you a link to something i wrote i think you may like, it is very short

velvt.: to move into an awareness of ourselves as soul, experiencing those things

velvt.: ok

eternumpace: btw. i invite you to WR. its too quiet in here

velvt.: i have to get offline

velvt.: i'm feeling too sick... just got nicely distracted by this chat

eternumpace: oh. well. thank you so much. i learned so much!

velvt.: email me the link, ok?

eternumpace: ok

eternumpace: take care of your SELF

velvt.: :)

velvt.: you too

eternumpace: :-)

velvt.: love yourself... for me that's a challenge

eternumpace: mmm. agreed

Excite Private Messenger: velvt. has logged out. (4/9/2002 at 12:39 PM)

 

eternumpace: why don't you write me anymore?

wingedmessenger: i didn't know you wanted me to.

eternumpace: i want to hear from you

wingedmessenger: ok

eternumpace: i like your voice

wingedmessenger: thank you

eternumpace: i bet you are very good with your tongue

wingedmessenger: yes, as a matter of fact, I am

eternumpace: are you an opheliac?

wingedmessenger: and you?

wingedmessenger: a what?

eternumpace: hehee. i dunno. do you like to sing during sex?

wingedmessenger: sometimes

eternumpace: i like to use my tongue in creative ways

wingedmessenger: like what?

wingedmessenger: me too

eternumpace: i like to talk at first and then just let things go where they may

wingedmessenger: hmm...

eternumpace: you may be hard

wingedmessenger: she ponders the possibilities...

eternumpace: mak

wingedmessenger: may be hard what?

eternumpace: you make me hard

wingedmessenger: really?

wingedmessenger: & i'm not even trying...

wingedmessenger: hehehehe

eternumpace: teehee

wingedmessenger: why did you stop?

eternumpace: i dunno. i get easily distracted :-)

wingedmessenger: well, hell

eternumpace: what?

wingedmessenger: i'm kidding.

eternumpace: yer suck a kidder

eternumpace: such. that was a freudian slip

wingedmessenger: but about this tongue thing...?

eternumpace: what are you wearing right now?

wingedmessenger: jeans, t-shirt, no undergarments...

wingedmessenger: u?

eternumpace: jogging pants and a t shirt

wingedmessenger: where you hail from?

eternumpace: Canada. u?

wingedmessenger: Texas

eternumpace: oh. howdy, cowgirl

wingedmessenger: let's just leave ti at I know how to RIDE

wingedmessenger: hehehehe

eternumpace: wow. yer making me hot

eternumpace: are we gonna have a meaningless cyber sexual encounter?

eternumpace: <<strings the feed bag around his weary mendacious mercurial mastodon and slumps down on the ground for a good shit eating palaver with the rainbow serpent

 

wingedmessenger: what would happen, do you think, were i REALLY to try?

wingedmessenger: no, not a meaningless cyber affair.

wingedmessenger: what's the point?

eternumpace: in deed

eternumpace: just pleasure. fleeting like the shadow of two flying birds

eternumpace: whose only real language is flight

wingedmessenger: i can fly.

wingedmessenger: I'm the pegasus.

wingedmessenger: ;-)

eternumpace: heaven flows into my vein, my body's growin wings, baby

eternumpace: i like pegasus

wingedmessenger: so, let us mount the rising currents, and be away from this bland existance.

wingedmessenger: thank you

eternumpace: something is rising that's for sure

wingedmessenger: hahaha

wingedmessenger: *grins with wicked glee,

wingedmessenger: winks,

wingedmessenger: & giggles louder*

eternumpace: are getting wet at all?

wingedmessenger: keep trying, my dear.

eternumpace: haha

wingedmessenger: I need another spanking....

eternumpace: i need a good wanking

wingedmessenger: Well I cant, help you with that, I'm good with my tongue, not my hands.

eternumpace: what do you use to get yerself off then?

wingedmessenger: hehehehe

wingedmessenger: I know how to work on myself, but not any one else

eternumpace: mmmmm. yummy

wingedmessenger: besides, it's not my job toget myself off ;-)

eternumpace: ok ok. you are such a slave driver. eternumpace reads you some verses from the song of solomon and eyes youer pert breasts

wingedmessenger: not so pert, but defineately large

eternumpace: are you a D cup or a C cup or a double DD cup. does the cup runneth over?

wingedmessenger: DD, BUT IT DOES INDEED RUNETH OVER

eternumpace: that sounds like quite a handful.

wingedmessenger: or, mouthful.

wingedmessenger: hehehe

eternumpace: ok. i know what i need now. pretend you are a virgin. i need to feel dominant

wingedmessenger: 'ternum, how old are you?

wingedmessenger: *blushes*

eternumpace: is that a rhetorical question?

eternumpace: i'm 28

eternumpace: u?

wingedmessenger: 21

wingedmessenger: *shyly asks how to do what he asks*

wingedmessenger: please, be gentle, I've never done this before....

eternumpace: *slyly thinks about what he would like to do to winged messenger* or have her do to him

wingedmessenger: if it doesn't involve something sticky, she's not interested...

wingedmessenger: choclate syrup...

wingedmessenger: whipped cream...

wingedmessenger: strawberries...

wingedmessenger: massage oils...

eternumpace: honey?

wingedmessenger: honey.  sure

wingedmessenger: no Jello

wingedmessenger: don't like the texture

wingedmessenger: *pulls a disgusted face*

eternumpace: i tell you wot. why don't you write me an erotic tale and i will write you one

wingedmessenger: now?

eternumpace: sure. or later you we could email it to one another but by a certain deadline

wingedmessenger: The email idea is the better of the two.

wingedmessenger: I'm at work, and don't want to get all STEAMY

eternumpace: ok, here is my email [email protected]

wingedmessenger: and I am the

wingedmessenger: [email protected]

eternumpace: wined?

wingedmessenger: sorry. winged

eternumpace: [email protected]  ??

wingedmessenger: you got it.

eternumpace: ok. so what should the deadline be?

wingedmessenger: sorry, I got kicked off the internet.

eternumpace: that is because you are so bad

wingedmessenger: but, i'm so good at ir, right?

eternumpace: i bet you are.

wingedmessenger: hehehe

wingedmessenger: *she winks conspiratorily*

eternumpace: i hope you write sometin really wank worth

eternumpace: :-)

wingedmessenger: I'll try.  when is the deadline?

wingedmessenger: i do really good UNDER PRESSURE

eternumpace: what do you tink it should be? an hour?

eternumpace: 24 hrs?

wingedmessenger: 24

eternumpace: oh. alright. that will give me time to get apporpriately inspired. so that would be 11 am Wed my time

wingedmessenger: And 1PM Wed, my time

wingedmessenger: agreed?

eternumpace: agreed

eternumpace: perseus is also a winged messenger

wingedmessenger: yes, he but,  I am neither masculine, nor medusa's killer

eternumpace: oh. ok

wingedmessenger: I helped *unwillingly* defeat Chimera

eternumpace: i didn't know that

wingedmessenger: look fo Belleriphon, in  mythology :-)

eternumpace: mmm. interesting

wingedmessenger: I n=know my mythology, mostly

eternumpace: sure sounds like it

wingedmessenger: I'm a messenger, it's my job to know who's who.

eternumpace: you take your job very seriously i see. do you apply that kind of work ethic to everything you do?

wingedmessenger: but, of course!

wingedmessenger: a dam buster?

eternumpace: lol

wingedmessenger: does it have to be intelligent conversation in the story?

eternumpace: nope lol

wingedmessenger: good

wingedmessenger: the less conversation, the better?

eternumpace: whatever turns you on

eternumpace: pretend its xxxmas time

wingedmessenger: haahahah....

wingedmessenger: Eternum, I'm jealous

eternumpace: why?

wingedmessenger: where are you?

eternumpace: here

wingedmessenger: norma's getting all the fun.

wingedmessenger: *she pouts in the corner*

eternumpace: are you really not wearing any underwear?

wingedmessenger: I am really not wearing any underwear.

wingedmessenger: on the bottom, anyway.

eternumpace: why not?

wingedmessenger: it feels better that way.

eternumpace: cause my cockhead is really starting to throb

wingedmessenger: ooops.

wingedmessenger: teehehehe

eternumpace: now you are teasing me

wingedmessenger: of course!

eternumpace: i wish you could touch me right now

wingedmessenger: *smiling demurely, she nods, and winks*

eternumpace: i need some tlc

wingedmessenger: me, too

eternumpace: do you want to go to World Religion with me?

wingedmessenger: I've never beentere, but, sure.

eternumpace: it will be empty.

eternumpace: i'll be right there

wingedmessenger: hey, wanna see the av grem gave me?

eternumpace: sure

wingedmessenger: where'd you go?

eternumpace: back

wingedmessenger: b right there.

eternumpace: kk

 

 

 

     Entering World Religion 1...

 eternumpace: lets see this new av

 wingedmessenger: there ya  go.

 wingedmessenger: watcha think?

 eternumpace: that 's pretty neat. i wrote a poem about a red rose once

 wingedmessenger: really?

 eternumpace: "I picked a rose, one day / to smell the body of the world / to hear the sound of another world..."

 wingedmessenger: can i hear it?

 eternumpace: sometin like that *
something like that

 eternumpace: whats wrong?

 wingedmessenger: why would anything be wrong?

 eternumpace: yer av disappeared?

 wingedmessenger: no

 eternumpace: oh. i see :-)

 eternumpace: i am occluding it

 wingedmessenger: well, don't do that.

wingedmessenger: j/k

 eternumpace: i have a pretty good penis i think

 wingedmessenger: ok

 eternumpace: ...

 wingedmessenger: how would it be otherwise?

 eternumpace: i don't know

 eternumpace: i'm just saiyiing that i like it. its been good to me

 wingedmessenger: good, how?

 eternumpace: it is always on time

 eternumpace: for one thing

 eternumpace: follows me wherever i go

 eternumpace: for another

 wingedmessenger: sizewise, or the amount of trouble it's gotten you into?

 eternumpace: sizewise tis good. not too much trouble isuppose

 wingedmessenger: all men are trouble

 eternumpace: you think so?

 wingedmessenger: but, that's why i like them

eternumpace: where do you work?

 wingedmessenger: i own a junk yard

 eternumpace: you are only 21 and you own a junk yard?

 eternumpace: did you inherit it?

 wingedmessenger: it's close to my house, in houston area.
no, i didnt inherit it

 eternumpace: so you are loaded or what?

 wingedmessenger: Dad bought it and made me senior partner.

 wingedmessenger: not yet.

 wingedmessenger: we only just started it in February

 wingedmessenger: what do you do?

 eternumpace: so are you sitting there right now fantasing about my penis?

 wingedmessenger: well, peni in general

 wingedmessenger: i don't get enough action, either

 eternumpace: no? why not?

 wingedmessenger: too busy, or they aren't interested

 wingedmessenger: plus, i'm not really looking at this point,

 wingedmessenger: i need to get my head around growing up first

eternumpace: sounds practical enough

 wingedmessenger: and until I do that, I don't need to screw anyone else up in the head

 wingedmessenger: what's yrstroy?

 wingedmessenger: *your story*

 eternumpace: i don't think abouit sex or women that much to be honest with you. i am more interested in evolving my consciousness

 wingedmessenger: hello, geronimo

 eternumpace: if sex and or women should help along the way then blessed be

 wingedmessenger: well said.

 eternumpace: love makes sex sex. that is my motto

 wingedmessenger: makes sense, iguess

 eternumpace: makes perfect sense to me. but it challenges a lot of people which makes me like it even more. we are, after all, 2/3 divine, 1/3 animal

 wingedmessenger: well i am 2/3 animal, 1/3 devine

 eternumpace: that can be an alchemical dream or an alchemical nightmare depending how bold a person one wants to be

 wingedmessenger: *Evil little grin*

 

wingedmessenger: too true.

 eternumpace: so are you by yoursel f right now?

 wingedmessenger: not really, but i will be in a bit.

 eternumpace: hmmm

 wingedmessenger: uh-oh, i'm a little nervous

 eternumpace: why is that?

 wingedmessenger: alone with a *ahem* a strange man,

 eternumpace: sounds kinky

 eternumpace: it is a strang feeling when a new woman touches one's manhood

 eternumpace: strokes it, even

 wingedmessenger: and *haha* virginal is my honor

 eternumpace: you are a virgin?

 wingedmessenger: no for a long time

 wingedmessenger: thus the *haha*

 eternumpace: hehehe.

 eternumpace: i have pictures of myself naked online. do you want to see them?

 wingedmessenger: sure. lead on

 

eternumpace: just a sec

 wingedmessenger: why do you naked pics of yourself?

 eternumpace: are you on yahoo?

 eternumpace: why? just because :-)

 wingedmessenger: no, i'm on excite

 eternumpace: no. but do you have an account on yahoo?

 wingedmessenger: does that matter?

 eternumpace: yes

 wingedmessenger: no

 eternumpace: i mean. it's easy to get one ifyou don't

 eternumpace: i need your yahoo username to give you access to my photos. that is all

 wingedmessenger: how do i get on yahoo?  is it free?

 eternumpace: yes. free. same as excite. just sign yerself up in like 30 secs

 eternumpace: at yahoo.com

 wingedmessenger: brb

 wingedmessenger: hold that *thought*

 eternumpace: kk

 

wingedmessenger: i'm back, now what?

 eternumpace: now i need to know youer yahoo username

 wingedmessenger: silverwings

 eternumpace: ok, just a sec

 eternumpace: nice name btw

 wingedmessenger: ty

 eternumpace: http://photos.yahoo.com/landonsealey

 eternumpace: go there while logged into yahoo and look under the Clothing icon

 wingedmessenger: k

 eternumpace: are you here?

 wingedmessenger: screw it, i'll look later

 eternumpace: not working?

 wingedmessenger: correct

 eternumpace: shite

 wingedmessenger: *sigh*

 wingedmessenger: my prob, not yours

 eternumpace: what is the prob?

 wingedmessenger: operator malfunction

wingedmessenger: grr

 eternumpace: well, i could also email some to you

 wingedmessenger: ok.  the email is

 wingedmessenger: [email protected]

 eternumpace: alright. give me a sec

 wingedmessenger: sorry, bout that...

 eternumpace: ok, emailing right now. one more moment

 eternumpace: ok. done

 wingedmessenger: i don't have any picsto send you, nude or otherwise, sorry.

 eternumpace: thats alright

 eternumpace: i have a pretty good imagination

 wingedmessenger: it might fail you

 wingedmessenger: then what?

 eternumpace: you are sounding like a neurotic jewish girl. just check your email

 wingedmessenger: k.  i have to go for the moment, customers, don't ya know?

 eternumpace: kk

 wingedmessenger: will you be in paganchat later?

eternumpace: probably lol

 wingedmessenger: mp, then, I'll see ya later ;-)

 eternumpace: ok, mp :-)

 janiepop: good morning

 eternumpace: hey

 eternumpace: can i paste something for you?

 janiepop: how in the heck are ya

 janiepop: sure go for it

 eternumpace: k a sec

 janiepop: I've gotta go back and look for that other chat I told you about

 janiepop: not now but later

 eternumpace: what other chat?

 janiepop: sugar er and me

 janiepop: ero

 janiepop: did you get my mail ?

 eternumpace: no!

 janiepop: have a chance to read it ?

 

janiepop: no ?

 eternumpace: where is it???!!!!

 janiepop: mmmm

 eternumpace: :(

 janiepop: really

 janiepop: ok I'll need to sned it again

 eternumpace: please :-)

 janiepop: and send lol

 janiepop: ok let me check the address

 eternumpace: laing's point is that schizo wouldn't be a mental illness, simply a different state of existance than average
velvt.: it is in how people can handle it, with or without support, that determines their ability to function in the everyday world

 eternumpace: <j.d. laing>

 janiepop: mmmm

 eternumpace: yes, doctor?

 janiepop: want me to comment on the above

eternumpace: yes, doctor

 janiepop: laing : has nver had it

 eternumpace: (i finished TULOB) wow

 janiepop: clearly a the theoretical position

 eternumpace: ok. i follow your point

 eternumpace: but i have it. and i agree

 janiepop: and quite a usual interpretation

 janiepop: nothing bad about that as an interpretation lol

 janiepop: but etc

 eternumpace: the thing is, even if he is wrong, the prognosis is the same is it not, betterment through cognitive therapy?

 janiepop: yes

 eternumpace: so he's not irrascable

 janiepop: but first let me come to vel's comment

 janiepop: another 'nice' theory

 eternumpace: well she was just quoting. but it IS her opinion yes

 eternumpace: k?

 janiepop: but not very uselful

eternumpace: you are such a party pooper

 janiepop: nothing to help poor sufferers there

 janiepop: I knwo that comes of being educated ...sorry

 eternumpace: but it helps people like me who are fairly high functioning though

 eternumpace: no?

 eternumpace: what a fascinating illness

 janiepop: do you ahve a diagnosis of schizophrenia ?

 eternumpace: yes

 janiepop: ah ha

 janiepop: I hadn't quite realised that

 janiepop: but I had wondered

 janiepop: not recently

 eternumpace: BUT, liek you, my doc does not encourage labels and i believe is more of the opinon that it is a group of problems that can be treated

 janiepop: but in the past

 eternumpace: i am wondering now though if imay have fetal alcohol syndrome

 janiepop: yes your doc and I are obviously in the same head space about

it

 eternumpace: that it perhaps mimics the M.S. I am supposed to have

 eternumpace: even though the ms is not degenerative at all

 janiepop: did your mum drink huge amounts during your pregnancy

 eternumpace: she says no. but she was an alcholic. so who can say

 janiepop: well tell ya what

 eternumpace: excuse me. IS an alcholoic

 eternumpace: what?

 janiepop: is it important that you know the cause ?

 eternumpace: yes, to some extent. not dire. but important

 eternumpace: my GP has intimated brain damage

 eternumpace: butnothing shows on the Cat Scan

 janiepop: although it is very important but not dire to you .....

 janiepop: it is nonetheless somewhat important

 eternumpace: i can walk talk interact fairly well, think well,w rite what have and yet i have a HUGE problem in going with society in terms of job, dating what have you

 eternumpace: yes, somewhat imiportant

 janiepop: yes now you're getting down to it

eternumpace: social avoidance is the clinical terminology thas is battted about most commonly in my case

 janiepop: before we go on

 eternumpace: i have an almost pathologically sensitivity to stress of the interpersonal and consensus nature

 eternumpace: ok. i'm stopping now

 janiepop: just let me come back to vel's point

 eternumpace: ok

 janiepop: scroll back

 eternumpace: i remember :-)

 janiepop: ok I've got it now

 janiepop: it's not what you have it's how you handle it ..with or without support

 janiepop: is that the idea ?

 janiepop: broaden that out for me will ya hun , in the context of the discussion you were having

 eternumpace: yes. as thoguh everyone were shizo. i just need to learn how to hide it in socially acceptable ways. to be "put to sleep" so to speak by detaching from my customary stress responses

 eternumpace: to be socially born again

eternumpace: that sums it up for me

 eternumpace: in a way. that is slowly happening. although, ironically, much has not changed in my life.

 janiepop: this is a complex question

 janiepop: let us go slowly

 eternumpace: i need to learn to accept love from human beings in the many and myriad forms that we learn as children to accept it was we overcome basic social fears.

 janiepop: I prefer to take a more operationalised approach myself

 eternumpace: my father, however, is schizogenic in the sense that he accentuaces with little pychic or social reconciliation the polarities inherent in human beings taking an almost obsessive interest in negative perspectives of others

 janiepop: that might just be defined as a personality trait

 eternumpace: this i knowhe developed because his older brother, having to take over the reins of father figure in his family, was unusually critical of my father, who was smothered by his mother who was estranged emotionally in may ways from his biological father...wow. this is itneresting oedipal stuff lol

 janiepop: I wouldn't label that like that but you knwo him better

 

 janiepop: in essence

 janiepop: all of these can be looked at from multiple perspectives

 janiepop: you can view them

 eternumpace: i love my father. a good guy in many ways. i am learning to see the positive more. but he does have asocial tendencies, a divided self (like everyone) but one not as integrated as it could be due to the absence of a contiguous developmental period

 eternumpace: father drank too much, class conflicts, a war torn social milieu etc

 eternumpace: he admits his own affection for confrontation

 eternumpace: and a hidden anger that surfaces when he becomes confused about to seperate his emotional needs from a family members

 janiepop: not ncommon

 janiepop: specially in men and women

 eternumpace: hence, he forms alliances of pity rather than adult relationships

 janiepop: I spend half my life

 eternumpace: yes?

 janiepop: teaching folks to reconnect thoughts and feelings lol

 janiepop: they split them

 eternumpace: yes. that is what i am tryint to do with myself

 janiepop: did you ever read The Shipping News ?

 eternumpace: i saw the film

 eternumpace: i know why you mention it

 janiepop: Quoyle

 eternumpace: i just watched another film like that as well

 eternumpace: called ULee's Gold

 janiepop: yes I saw it

 eternumpace: with Peter Fonda

 eternumpace: you did? neat

 eternumpace: do you see how my father is schizogenic though?

 janiepop: mmmmm

 janiepop: I agree we might all be labelled like that by your definition

 janiepop: she said not wanting to confuse

 eternumpace: his persolatiy/psychopathy is psychoactive to my genetic predisposition towards schizphrenia

 eternumpace: how poetic lol

janiepop: mmmmmm

 eternumpace: sorry to interrupt. she said not wanting to confuse?

 janiepop: np

 eternumpace: .oO i used to be afriad of psychological terminology, now i see it is a powerful tool

 janiepop: do you want me to cut to the chase

 eternumpace: please :-)

 janiepop: in the end

 janiepop: whatever the cause

 janiepop: father

 janiepop: mother

 janiepop: alcohol

 janiepop: biology

 janiepop: environment

 janiepop: your temperament

 eternumpace: this is starting to sound like a jagged lil pill *grin

 janiepop: all may or may NOT be implicated

 janiepop: or there maybe a % assigned to each

eternumpace: i see the IRONY

 janiepop: ok lets say your temperament takes up 50%

 eternumpace: from a stoic perspective, i could be entirely in charge of the affects of my soul's will, yet co-conspiratory in the social explanation of it

 janiepop: ok temperament is hard wired in

 eternumpace: ok

 janiepop: if you accept that idea

 eternumpace: i do

 janiepop: peronality changes

 janiepop: basic temperament is sort of fixed

 janiepop: persoanilty is pliable

 eternumpace: .oO from a hindu perspective Brahman is both exigent and individual

 janiepop: yep

 eternumpace: ok. i read you

 janiepop: ok

 janiepop: we can reteach our biology

 eternumpace: we can "change our stars"?

 janiepop: we can't change it

 eternumpace: mmm.

 janiepop: but we can tinker around the edges

 janiepop: there are soem folks

 eternumpace: your subtle distinction may slice thru butter but it shall not split hairs hehehe

 janiepop: who say

 janiepop: lol

 eternumpace: please :-) go on....

 janiepop: hun this is the worst possible medium in which to discuss this stuff lol

 eternumpace: love is a science. and you are a scientist.

 janiepop: are you ok with this

 eternumpace: yes

 eternumpace: yessireee bob

 janiepop: are you sure

 eternumpace: yep

 janiepop: I don't want to distress you

 janiepop: if I were in your company

eternumpace: i don't think so, i haven't been distress by our other talks

 janiepop: I could see every twitch of your facial expressions

 janiepop: that's ok then

 janiepop: I have felt fine too

 janiepop: it's just that this stuff is getting down

 janiepop: to the 'issues'

 janiepop: lol

 janiepop: I asked my daughter the other day

 eternumpace: if you don't tell nor my doctor i will just find other info to fill the space

 janiepop: what word did we use before we said 'issues' ?

 eternumpace: crimes?

 janiepop: she said we called it 'stuff'

 janiepop: now Landon m'boy ..where were we

 janiepop: Landon

 janiepop: m'boy

 eternumpace: i think there may be light fibrous scripts that ply our wills into a specific orientation of knowing that we call "issues " merely at the borders of our starry field of cosmic vision but which

in reality habitate every region of our transpersonal syntax

 eternumpace: what i have heard being called emotional genes

 janiepop: that could very well be

 janiepop: but will they help you in social situations

 eternumpace: well, it certainly sounds nice enough lol

 eternumpace: that depends ;)

 eternumpace: on whether or not I have made my decision for christ lol

 janiepop: that's another space

 eternumpace: or as my poetry prof once said keep it simple and always ask, for the sake of what go I?

 janiepop: yes

 eternumpace: she was a militant feminist bitch but i loved her anyway

 eternumpace: sorry. excuse the language please

 janiepop: np

 eternumpace: to anser your question. no. that will nto help me in social situations. see. meds work :-)

 janiepop: they do

 eternumpace: btwe, reference for that emotional gene stuff

eternumpace: btwe, reference for that emotional gene stuff can be found in any work by Jane Roberts re: Seth Speaks and so on

 eternumpace: cutting edge aspect psychology

 janiepop: yes it's good stuff by the sounds of

 janiepop: we know very little

 eternumpace: utilizes the multiverse which is contatinous with anything one might read in a physics journal today

 janiepop: most of the mental health diagnoses are clinical anyway

 eternumpace: and as joseph campbell says often, any religious faith, and ours is always religious as long as there are women or animals on this great earth, needs be current

 eternumpace: yes. you taught me the definiotn of clinical diagnosis

 janiepop: good old JC

 janiepop: I wnt out for dinner with my favourite nun last night

 eternumpace: well, i was paraphrasing;)

 eternumpace: you know a nun?

 eternumpace: oh lol

 eternumpace: you rented that flick

 janiepop: they are my best friends

eternumpace: Agnes

 eternumpace: ok. i'm confused n ow

 janiepop: hehe

 janiepop: I have been up to my armpits in nuns all my life

 janiepop: and priests

 eternumpace: do you run a nunnery?

 janiepop: no

 eternumpace: j/k

 eternumpace: a nunnery makes nuns

 janiepop: just educated by them

 eternumpace: catholic?

 janiepop: lol

 janiepop: yes

 janiepop: trained by them

 eternumpace: yeah. triese informed me as much. apparently you two had a run in

 eternumpace: hehe

 janiepop: worked with them

eternumpace: that's neat

 janiepop: triese ?

 janiepop: can't recall ?

 eternumpace: you may not know her. from what she said, sounded like you got got in some pagan rhetorical crossfire in a room some time and she became of teh opinon you were a "fundy" which i informed her was funny anbd not true

 janiepop: what did he say

 eternumpace: she is a girl i know

 janiepop: she ok

 janiepop: hahhaha

 eternumpace: no worries. i know as well as anyone how some people come to erroneous opinons of others online

 janiepop: ty hun

 eternumpace: which reminds me. last night they roasted me in pagan chat

 eternumpace: i found it entertaining

 janiepop: did they

 janiepop: when you tell me I'll tell you about my wold nun friend

 janiepop: wild

 eternumpace: i had the temerrity to inform a lady of unknown age or stature that wearing an avatar of a naked woman in a lurid posture and calline one's self xxx_D_xxx was  not conducivve to affecting some kind of intelligence

 eternumpace: so they piled upon me in her defense lol

 janiepop: yes that's how it works

 eternumpace: lol

 janiepop: lol

 eternumpace: yes :-)

 eternumpace: i don't take it too seriously

 janiepop: good

 janiepop: pagans seem particularly bad at that lol

 janiepop: ganging up

 eternumpace: yes!

 janiepop: lol

 janiepop: what is that ? lol

 eternumpace: what is it with those pagans? burn em all i say

 eternumpace: j/k

janiepop: yes

 janiepop: paula helloooooooooooo

 paula_1966: Janiepop!! :o)

 eternumpace: angst ridden with a lacking mythology of self since it seems largely defined by a rejection of the christian Other

 janiepop: eternum do you knowpaula

 eternumpace: paula abdul i have heard of

 paula_1966: Hi eternum :o)

 eternumpace: hello, paula. nice to meet you

 janiepop: this a rare treat

 paula_1966: and you too! :o)

 eternumpace: of course, i am a pagan so i have been thru all that

 eternumpace: course i am a christian too

 janiepop: of course

 eternumpace: but enough about me, what kind of car do you drive, paula?

 janiepop: no barriers in the end

 eternumpace: yeah

paula_1966: welll, its red, italian and begins with an F

 janiepop: very fluid concepts

 eternumpace: yeah, whatever

 eternumpace: Fiat?

 janiepop: paula

 paula_1966: Yep! lol

 janiepop: speaking of which

 eternumpace: pants himself on the back

 paula_1966: hehe

 janiepop: my hubby is having a hip replacment next week

 eternumpace: grooms himself after patting self

 paula_1966: Wow, Janie!

 janiepop: and his doc told him

 eternumpace: was that why he had to give blood, janie?

 janiepop: yes eternum

 janiepop: these days you give your own bllod

 janiepop: nifty

eternumpace: yes. i recall i neglected to inquire as to his well being

 janiepop: he is fine

 eternumpace: that is nifty

 paula_1966: arthritic hip, Janie?

 janiepop: they make the joints in the same factory as the Ferrari parts

 eternumpace: vrroooom!

 paula_1966: really?? lol

 paula_1966: left or right hip?

 janiepop: he wants a Ferrari logo tattood on his bum

 janiepop: left paula

 eternumpace: that's cool

 janiepop: yes paula arthritis

 paula_1966: well that means his cornering going right will be fantastic lol

 janiepop: ROFLOL paula

 eternumpace: good. so he will still be able to punt for the Ulysses ARgonauts

 paula_1966: hehe

 paula_1966: I bet he can't wait

janiepop: he can't

 paula_1966: Hip jobs are brilliant when you see the change afterwards

 janiepop: hwo does a fit young man of 64 have that problem

 janiepop: he was very active as a lad

 paula_1966: It can be inherited

 janiepop: he says pelted off one too many horses

 paula_1966: I know of a woman my age who is on the list for one

 janiepop: yep paula

 eternumpace: brb, i need to cut and paste some info

 paula_1966: ok eternum

 janiepop: paula tell eternum about us and our mantra while I make a cuppa

 paula_1966: hehehe

 paula_1966: In the beginning, God created the wheel

 eternumpace: yes?

 paula_1966: and he saw that the wheel was alone

 paula_1966: so he made another wheel

 paula_1966: and lo, they begat two wheeels and so there were four wheels

 eternumpace: mm. thiking about that one

eternumpace: oh. ok

 paula_1966: and there was a wailing and gnashing of gears

 eternumpace: heheah

 paula_1966: and the Lord said unto them

 paula_1966: Why do you gnash and wail so?

 paula_1966: And they replied unto Him

 paula_1966: Why do we pull against each other, in such disharmony?

 paula_1966: And the Lord saw it was so

 paula_1966: And there was a weeping in the Heavens, even unto the bed of the Sea

 paula_1966: and so said the Lord

 paula_1966: Arise, for you are four wheels

 paula_1966: and that you must pull together

 paula_1966: and lo, it was that four wheel drive was born

 paula_1966: and the Lost Tribe Of Jeeps returned to the Promised Land. Amen

 eternumpace: that sounds like a very expensive Ford advertisement in the christian science monitor

 janiepop: paula you're a genius

paula_1966: hehe...it all started with janies typo

 paula_1966: lolol

 eternumpace: what. you made that ll up?

 paula_1966: no, it was found in the Nag Hammadi Library

 eternumpace: ha ha. i love sarcasm

 paula_1966: ]The Gospel of Jeep

 eternumpace: truly truly i say unto you sarcasm is ironic

 paula_1966: hence the term, Jeep the faith

 janiepop: paula you always impress me but you have outridden yourself

 paula_1966: rofl

 eternumpace: my god. i think i may actually have found someone with my own dimented sense of humour

 paula_1966: hehe

 paula_1966: well they did say that the path to heaven was steep and rocky

 paula_1966: so the Jeeps are the chosen ones

 janiepop: they did ...specially for gnostic

 eternumpace: paula, are you taking any prescription medication?

paula_1966: lol@medicine

 eternumpace: hehehe

 janiepop: claps and sings and dances about the Jeeps

 janiepop: with joy

 janiepop: at the meeting

 paula_1966: yes, three jeeps in One

 janiepop: a veritable trinity

 paula_1966: hehehe

 janiepop: and yea I say

 eternumpace: you two gals are on yoru own freaky wavelength now. i am just a spectator in your whimsical revelry

 paula_1966: now, lets get serious

 janiepop: puts the Jeeps in park

 eternumpace: as serious as french toast

 paula_1966: hehe

 paula_1966: so eteurnum....

 eternumpace: now i'm hungry

 paula_1966: whats your beliefs...if any?

eternumpace: aaah but lo i say unto I will send the holy manna of paula's bon mots to feed my faithful children of  israel

 paula_1966: heh

 paula_1966: e

 eternumpace: beliefs? hmmmm

 eternumpace: i am a fairly secular christian i suppose

 paula_1966: mhmm

 paula_1966: How would you define a secular Christian?

 eternumpace: but when i'm feeling inspired i like to think of myself as a heathen meaning a doctor of the poetry of the body

 paula_1966: ah...Janie, can you take this one?

 janiepop: sure

 eternumpace: mmmm. secular Christian? i'm not sure. i don't go to church. i suppose

 paula_1966: Me neither

 paula_1966: except midnight mass on Christmas eve that is

 eternumpace: i don't have anything against it. i just don't jibe with the intonations of legalism

 eternumpace: i thought faith was aspiration. but i suppose the arguement could be made....

ooodrunknmunkyooo: ;)

 paula_1966: Hi munky

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: Hi]

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: how r you all?

 janiepop: hi munk

 paula_1966: v.well thanks munky, and you?

 janiepop: we're darn tootin here lol

 eternumpace: you put absolutely no real effort into making up a serious and proper tag name did you ooodrunknmunkyoo??

 paula_1966: yep, what Janie said

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: did any of u chat here when it was vplaces?

 janiepop: yup

 paula_1966: yes, munky

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: do u know if they're gonna do a download version again

 paula_1966: not sure

 janiepop: and yea in this very room

 eternumpace: raises one hand. (if you want the other one you'd better be speaking in tongues)

ooodrunknmunkyooo: I recognise u janie

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: I used  to chat as Mak_l

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: no...

 janiepop: if you want the other oen you can pay

 eternumpace: hey, Mak!

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: lol, thats mak_2001

 janiepop: Mak oh right

 eternumpace: i remember you!

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: cool u remember me

 eternumpace: were you the guy who wanted to start a new magazine in britain?

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: ya

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: :)

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: kinda didn't get far with it

 paula_1966: a fellow Brit?

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: aye

 eternumpace: ok. we talked . we were down with each other for a good span of online time

 janiepop: eternum gets the pick of  the stall

janiepop: paula just as an aside

 paula_1966: yes, janie?

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: just passing thru for the moment, hopefully speak to you all soon

 janiepop: I think 10 days was too long before burying the Queen Mum

 eternumpace: drunknmunk, don't be a sojourner in the land of your birth?

 janiepop: ok munk see ya soon

 paula_1966: lol...noooo, we had to let her lie in state

 ooodrunknmunkyooo: take care

 paula_1966: bye munky :o)

 eternumpace: i have no opinion on that matter

 paula_1966: plus there were all the world leaders who came, they had to make arrangements

 janiepop: paula whatha are the poor effin Fam meant to do ..I knwo they know the rules of engagement but shhhhhhessh

 paula_1966: well they know it must happen

 janiepop: yes

 eternumpace: good point janie. i had never considered their perspective

 paula_1966: she was the last Empress of India

janiepop: sure that doesn't make it easier ?

 paula_1966: you cant just whip her off to the local crematorium, you know

 janiepop: mmmmm

 janiepop: sting ......

 eternumpace: meow, meow , prrrrr, Sting

 janiepop: MR STING

 janiepop: can you sing for us

 eternumpace: were you a bee in my bonnet in a past life?

 sting11435: hey what is the topic here laides

 sting11435: other than the obvious

 janiepop: I know paula ..but ..they are here

 sting11435: if it is religion

 eternumpace: we were just talking about he urban legen that a kitty is killed every time someone pleasures themselves

 janiepop: STING are you a real fan

 sting11435: then how

 sting11435: i am kitty in a mans body

sting11435: but if u are asking me do i know stuff

 sting11435: try and find out

 sting11435: mingle

 janiepop: my sister said if the second coming and STING were billed on the same night ..she reckns STING would win

 sting11435: understand

 sting11435: ty

 sting11435: usr sister knowes her stuff

 sting11435: good woman

 janiepop: I'm not going to be able to concentrate at all now

 paula_1966: why not, janie?

 sting11435: did i do something wrong

 janiepop: no

 janiepop: cos I adore STING

 eternumpace: i think janie is swooning

 paula_1966: ooh ok

 sting11435: sting is very popular in excite also u know

 sting11435: lol

 eternumpace: i like david bowie better

 janiepop: going to put music on

 sting11435: i luv the old stuff

 sting11435: u know

 sting11435: like

 sting11435: u2

 sting11435: inxs

 sting11435: erasure

 paula_1966: early U2, yes

 sting11435: yes

 eternumpace: 80's

 eternumpace: yey

 paula_1966: October and Boy, etc

 sting11435: well i luv

 sting11435: joan jett too

 sting11435: van halen

sting11435: zz top

 sting11435: i can go on

 eternumpace: brb

 sting11435: but i luv all types of music too

 sting11435: u know

 sting11435: classic

 janiepop: Nothing Like the Sun playing on the CD

 sting11435: jazz

 sting11435: sade

 paula_1966: Luv classical

 sting11435: very good

 janiepop: Billy Bragg

 janiepop: Pearl Jam

 sting11435: very well forgiv me for saying in this religious room

 sting11435: but her songs sade that is very erotic

 sting11435: and seductive

 janiepop: we have good taste ?

paula_1966: gasp

 paula_1966: lol

 sting11435: i listen to pearl

 sting11435: wow

 sting11435: good no just being me

 janiepop: Eddie isa hero

 janiepop: daughter has a pair of jeans she never washed after a muddy day at a Oeral Jam concert

 janiepop: Pearl

 sting11435: but i just cant stand metallic

 sting11435: or rapp

 paula_1966: anyone like Siouxie, and/or the Cure?

 sting11435: cure

 sting11435: yes

 janiepop: mmmmThe Cure

 sting11435: how about

sting11435: eagels

 sting11435: hotel california

 paula_1966: Hmmm, no a bit too soft for me

 sting11435: really

 janiepop: sting how old are you

 sting11435: virgin

 sting11435: lol

 paula_1966: hehe

 sting11435: no honey

 sting11435: just a joke

 sting11435: u dont see male virgins now days

 paula_1966: I'm more a Joy Division type

 sting11435: if that was the case

 sting11435: i would be in the museum

 sting11435: lol

 sting11435: i will tell u my age

 sting11435: providin u do the same agree

paula_1966: ok

 sting11435: that means all of uuuu

 sting11435: agreeeeee

 paula_1966: yep

 sting11435: sign a contract

 sting11435: lol

 janiepop: fave singer songwriters ..Crowded House and Indigo Girls

 paula_1966: signed

 sting11435: goooood

 sting11435: girl

 sting11435: lol

 sting11435: 30

 sting11435: male

 sting11435: big apple

 sting11435: usa

 janiepop: but Baroque is my classical fave

 sting11435: ur turn paula

janiepop: and Tori Amos

 paula_1966: late 19th/early 20th century romantics for me

 paula_1966: not telling, sting

 sting11435: sure

 sting11435: 666666666666

 sting11435: that si tough

 sting11435: is

 paula_1966: 35

 paula_1966: female

 sting11435: yes honey i knew that

 paula_1966: Cambridge UK

 sting11435: ur sign says

 sting11435: lol

 sting11435: me been to london a lot

 sting11435: i mean lot

 paula_1966: divorced

 paula_1966: two kids

sting11435: uuuuuuu

 sting11435: wow

 sting11435: ripe are we

 sting11435: sorry

 sting11435: religion

 sting11435: forgot

 paula_1966: house paid off

 sting11435: lol

 paula_1966: company car

 sting11435: hey paula i get the pic

 sting11435: okkkk

 paula_1966: oh ok lol

 sting11435: u dont have to tell me everything

 paula_1966: hehehe

 sting11435: been to london

 sting11435: oxford area

 sting11435: uonger days

 sting11435: lived in norway

 sting11435: in 1979

 paula_1966: oh and artifial ligaments in my right knee too

 sting11435: for one whole year

 sting11435: well

 paula_1966: artificial*

 sting11435: does it look good in heels when u walk

 janiepop: this reminds me of that scene in Truly Madly Deeply

 sting11435: mean sexy

 paula_1966: oh yes it does

 sting11435: then hellllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooo

 sting11435: lol

 paula_1966: but Janie is knock out

 sting11435: truly madly deeply

 sting11435: what is that

 sting11435: movie

sting11435: or song

 janiepop: is this a NY state of mind

 paula_1966: movie

 sting11435: no honey

 sting11435: not just ny

 sting11435: mixed culture

 sting11435: very diversified

 sting11435: in that sence yes ny mind

sting11435: hey are u all women in here

 eternumpace: nope to baraka

 janiepop: yes paula

 janiepop: excellent

 sting11435: or did i just land on heaven

 paula_1966: Utterly stunning janie, or what?

 sting11435: lol

 janiepop: yup

 janiepop: utterly

 sting11435: wow

 sting11435: lord work in myterious ways

 sting11435: wait

 sting11435: missing an sssssss

 eternumpace: janie there are two outstanding stories you are obliged to finish for me. but right now, i feel the need to pop in on pagan chat. so i shall take my leave of y'all for but a moment in time

 janiepop: when they said no dialogue I thought .could I , should I ? lol

 sting11435: pagan

 sting11435: wow

 paula_1966: hb eternum

 janiepop: bye eternum and yes we will continue later

 sting11435: interesting

     Entering World Religion 1...

 sting11435: please

 sting11435: well imagine we are at aparty

 janiepop: doesn't work here

 sting11435: then

 janiepop: another party day eh

 sting11435: no fuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnn

 eternumpace: wow. that was an eye opener lol

 paula_1966: that was quick, eternum

 sting11435: real quick

 sting11435: sheeeesssss

 janiepop: wooooo eternum rides back in

 sting11435: did u get a shot

 sting11435: or something

 eternumpace: the first text i read was "i don't drink blood so why would i want to drink blood from a cock"

 janiepop: oooooo

 eternumpace: roflmao

paula_1966: well, it is a good question I suppose

 sting11435: i am goona skip that sent

 sting11435: for now

 eternumpace: the next commetn was "how long til you are 18?"

 janiepop: you modern young things

 janiepop: you can cope

 paula_1966: hehe

 eternumpace: so i left

 janiepop: with that

 sting11435: i learned one thing in life and mom smaked me when i was uong

 sting11435: never fight or argue with women

 sting11435: specially more than one at once

 paula_1966: lol

 janiepop: lol

 paula_1966: true though

 janiepop: I've got a problem

 sting11435: are u girls chatting behind my back

 sting11435: what probelm

 sting11435: janie

 paula_1966: whats that?

 janiepop: getting behind with what I should be doing

 sting11435: never mind

 eternumpace: my reading of milton's paradise lost informs me intuitively at leas that Woman is endemic to all selfhood

 paula_1966: everyone does that

 sting11435: that was a instant joke

 sting11435: lol

 janiepop: is that ok paula

 sting11435: oh no not again infatuation 

 paula_1966: yes, janie....God loves you for it

 sting11435: rod stewart

 janiepop: working at home requires a whole new discipline

sting11435: discipline

 sting11435: makes things go smoother

 janiepop: ty paula

 paula_1966: lol yw

 sting11435: regardless of where

 sting11435: hey etern

 janiepop: anyay I thought I'd flag that

 sting11435: how come u are so numb

 janiepop: in case I need help

 sting11435: meant that in agood way

 eternumpace: oh. just thinking

 sting11435: thinking

 sting11435: imp task there

 sting11435: never heard of that

 sting11435: what does it dooooooo

 sting11435: lol

paula_1966: ok Janie, well whenever you are behind, get even more behind and make the worry worthwhile

 sting11435: lol

 janiepop: paula lol

 paula_1966: in for a penny, in for a pund etc

 sting11435: paula and janie

 janiepop: is that something like ...

 sting11435: are the ones i shoul d worry about

 sting11435: arent they

 sting11435: lol

 eternumpace: thoughts are a form of motion, motion a form of feeling; a stop to action and a spurning of all creation - a homage to pure spirit

 janiepop: cheer up things could get worse , so I cheered up and suer enough they did

 eternumpace: the breath of the soul

 janiepop: is that like that paula lol

 sting11435: Laughing Out Loud

 paula_1966: thats it, Janie...a good philosophy for life is that

 paula_1966: if it can go wrong, it will

eternumpace: its citadels and monuments everhwhere in the modes and harmonies of architecture within and without for all is within

 sting11435: yes but God makes those decisions u know

 sting11435: we just follow them

 sting11435: nor do we have the right to ask why

 sting11435: either

 janiepop: as you can detect sting ..eternun nver numb

 sting11435: my radar wne nuts u know eter

 janiepop: it's just profound and more profound

 sting11435: lol

 eternumpace: Living out Loud is a greak flick too btw

 sting11435: Idea

 eternumpace: schopenhauer?

 paula_1966: We are asleep, prisoners in the misery of flawed creation

 janiepop: until paula

 janiepop: sparky arrives lol

paula_1966: until.....Gnosis

 janiepop: bingo

 sting11435: who is parky

 paula_1966: the reawakening

 sting11435: sparky

 eternumpace: all that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - uncle lawrence

 sting11435: good and bad that is all  that matters

 eternumpace: ghosts walking but not knowing where in a word of light, Eternal, like a snowflake in the summer, She the memory of music fled its listening chamber

 paula_1966: when you return home, you will say ' But I knew that all along...why couldn't I remember that while I was there?'

 eternumpace: We forever lay to rest upon Her sleeping bosom

 sting11435: shhhhhhhhs

 paula_1966: Janiepop, you were in Hufos' love cult?????

 sting11435: deep stuff there etern

 janiepop: I think that al references to sleeping waking must be written AFTER waking yes ?

 sting11435: hey paula can i like etern

 janiepop: paula yesssssssssssss

sting11435: she is very intellectual

 paula_1966: yes sting of course lol

 janiepop: just hopped into mode

 eternumpace: dismounts and hangs the feedbag around his mendacous mercurial mastodon and slumps to the ground to hold palaver with the rainbowserpent

 paula_1966: I miss Hufos

 janiepop: me too

 sting11435: but u are special

 janiepop: he's gone to halsoft and paltalk

 sting11435: ok can i like all of uuuuuu

 paula_1966: I am going to steal that av, janie, and do my own ok?

 sting11435: lol

 janiepop: should we jeep over see if we can fing him paula

 janiepop: yes sure paula

 janiepop: vel made that for me

 paula_1966: nah, staying here, but Janie, you must bring him back to the fold

sting11435: are u all in uk

 janiepop: ok paula I'll see what I can do

 janiepop: this is Australia calling

 janiepop: (it's a song)

 sting11435: wow

 sting11435: aussie

 sting11435: kewl

 sting11435: wild women there

 janiepop: yup

 janiepop: yup

 

 

eternumpace: sugar. for teh love of god and his son dear sweet jesus do not go to pagan chat. come to WR, pllllease...

0_sugar_0: lol...k, whats up in Pagan Chat?  and who all is in WR?

eternumpace: janiepop is in cc ibelieve and me and paula and sting are here, n pagan chat last i read was they were talking about drinking blood from a cock

0_sugar_0: oh boy...hope they were kidding...some so called 'pagans' tend to not be pagan at all, just say crap fo the shock value

eternumpace: lol yeah.

eternumpace: something about "when do you turn 18" also came up lol

0_sugar_0: lol...(shakes head) 

eternumpace: that is a strange room. unpredictable

0_sugar_0: thats true of any room just about, depending on who is there at the time...but pagan chat tends to draw some very odd people

eternumpace: last night, everyone piled on me for haveing the temerity to inform a gal of unknown stature that having an av of a naked woman touching herself and using a single letter bookended by XXX was not a good way to incite intelligent conversation or the even the belief she was remotely capable of such regard.

0_sugar_0: lol...let me guess, xxxdxxx was her name?

eternumpace: yep lol

eternumpace: to be fair though, i was quite rude. having an off night. but it was fun, though

0_sugar_0: hehe, you like to stir things up where ever you go hun

eternumpace: that cauldron she needs a stirrin now and then

0_sugar_0: well, sometimes its good to have ideas that challenge you, need em everyonce in awhile to get rid of the mental chaff and dust bunnies

eternumpace: sugar, you ahve such a Hallmark way about you now and then

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: that will be 2 bucks for those hallmark words...damned cards are expensive these days!

eternumpace: that's what the guy did in Mork and Mindy

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eternumpace: ooooooo she's back

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: what's so funny?

0_sugar_0: she's baaack...thinking of that line from that movie poltergiest

eternumpace: aaaaaaah

eternumpace: are you taking yer kids to see E.T.?

0_sugar_0: no, they havent shown much interest in seeing it

0_sugar_0: i would like to see it again

eternumpace: is there anything good besides that at the movies right now?

0_sugar_0: not sure...the closest theater to me is in the next town, 15 miles away

eternumpace: do you think that you tend to release all preconceptions and or expections as to the outcome ofyour actions or others?

0_sugar_0: i try...not always successful, but i do try

eternumpace: and do you think this philospophy is workeable or desireable in western society, wherein, most actions are outcome based?

0_sugar_0: well, its workable as long as it means something to me.

0_sugar_0: since im the one that has to work it

eternumpace: does it means something to you?

0_sugar_0: yeah...to not have preconcieved notions about people, means i leave the possiblities wide open, rather than giving only a narrow span of possibilites.

0_sugar_0: often my notions of how they should be or act, is based on my experiences not on the world of experiences

eternumpace: so then i shouldn't be angry with this woman who flirted with me at this party even though i didn't expect it and even though it was openly lude?

eternumpace: aaah. that is the quintissential ontological point. you have mentioned the morphic resonant field, for instance. is that or could that be the ether that binds the "world of exprience" as you say to the invidiual subjective reality is a sort of proto-utopia of action and reaction?

0_sugar_0: well, it was tacky if it was lewed...and should have or could have been done in much better taste...yet take it as a compliment that she found you attractive.  its your choice to react as you feel the situation and your emotional well being warranted.

0_sugar_0: could be...its all part of the same whole, yet individual also

eternumpace: i feel that if i learn something from it. it is good. i just have to figure out what i am learning

0_sugar_0: heh, yeah, that sometimes takes time and distance from the lesson to understand what you learned

eternumpace: but do you see the subconscious fallacies that entwine and ensnare themselves in our sense o right and wrong, good and evil when once we practice to thing ourselves awash from the "world of expreiences"

0_sugar_0: if nothing else...you learned you are not attracted to lewed, crude or pushy behavior

eternumpace: yep

0_sugar_0: it gets sticky, since no two people will experience the exact same thing the same way

eternumpace: i trying to hone in on a very profound point here, unfortunately i do not have the words to adequately express it

0_sugar_0: its individual but a consensus of the whole, a conglomerate of sorts

eternumpace: what interestes me is the "politics" of that whole and the self, the "divided self" or the fantasy of such and how it relates to the Christ

eternumpace: i once said here in WR that a sunrise in an act of consensus reality

eternumpace: for instanct

0_sugar_0: hhhmmm...i think i see what your trying to get at now

eternumpace: the propriety of myth and the myth of self

eternumpace: what is yours and what is mine

eternumpace: the classic capitalistic mythos

eternumpace: my emotions appear greatly assuaged in this sexual matter by a new sense of my own propriety of the exprience

0_sugar_0: brings to mind the buddhist ideas

eternumpace: at first i thought I am "the woman vicitimized by a sexual rude man" but now i think it is something more akin to boundaries of dream and basic struggle to free ourselves from teh binds of dual reality even as we need it to survive as beings

0_sugar_0: its a new phase of learning for you, a readjustment of who you are has taken place in a very cataclysmic way over the last several months...not surprising that you would be rearranging your personal priorities or how you view and react to things

eternumpace: that is, the thirst for knowledge

0_sugar_0: the dreamer with in the dream itself

0_sugar_0: which is which?

eternumpace: that is a predictably concise account of my circumstance, sugar. ty

eternumpace: yes!

0_sugar_0: sometimes they overlap so much its hard to tell the dreamer from the dream hun

eternumpace: is this not the exigent force or first cause of language or logos?

0_sugar_0: lol eternum...well, when faced with something that i am trying to understand within myself..i first try to put it in concise terms to get a grip on a slippery greased pig...then i can go from there

0_sugar_0: i think our spirit is the author of most things, including language and logos...the need to share ourselves

eternumpace: so in a broader sense, for me anyway, the issuance of the victim fro my consciousness was really a deeper desire for knowledge

eternumpace: yeah,

0_sugar_0: by sharing ourselves either verbally or otherwise, we expand who we are

eternumpace: mmm. yes

0_sugar_0: we share with someone...they share with another...a little bit of who you are has been passed to that person too

eternumpace: wow. you are such a keen observer

eternumpace: do you want to know something ironic

0_sugar_0: our free will comes in two ways...what we share/how we share it...and what we choose to recieve whether consciously or unconsiously

0_sugar_0: whats that?

eternumpace: wow. sugar you are on a roll. wow.

eternumpace: ok. this is so funny to me

0_sugar_0: kk

0_sugar_0: you must be typing a novel!  lol

eternumpace: well, new research shows that when a man is in crisis or aroused, he loses much bloo flow and activity to his frontal lobe (centre of reasoning and rational decisin making) whereas for a woman such is, in contrast, increased in activity. now, i am a schizophrenic, which my nature means that as a youth i objectified my libido into my intellectual field. the irony now being that sexual arousal actually increases my intelligence

eternumpace: you bet lol. a novel

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: wow, i wasnt aware about the blood flow

eternumpace: that is for me logos and eros are almost indistinguishible during high arousal or crisis

eternumpace: so, in effect , nature has trained me since birth to think like a woman

eternumpace: herein lies much of my mental problems/turmoil, try to affix to myself a sense of self and gender

0_sugar_0: so if your aroused...your iq goes up...that makes you unique among men.  usually they get aroused and all the blood drains from the big head, and goes straight to the little head and they get dumber by the minute

eternumpace: well, i'm not sure if i ACT differently than a man, but i am sure that i am more likely to be able to reason and learn from instinctual activity

0_sugar_0: well, find what you are comfortable with as far as self and gender...if you are comfortable with it...the world will get used to it, even if the world tries not to accept it, you are the one that has to live with it

eternumpace: which, as well, stresses me out more greatly so ironically also, I am much less likely than a lot of men to engage in sexual acitivity

0_sugar_0: sounds as  if you are a left brain thinker in a right brain world...yet at the same time...you are constantly able to evaluate the situation in a detached sort of way

eternumpace: that is why schizophrenia is such a fascinating and wonderful problem. it is the problem of christ (the concept not hte person)

eternumpace: the eternal androgyne, the gnostic quanta of all identity

0_sugar_0: you are the male and female locked together in the same brain...think of yourself as hermaphrodite...or of yin and yang...there can be a beautiful balance of both

eternumpace: sugar. you are half right. i am usually flooded with emotional stress but have learned to think rationally about it or seek to, the success and failure of my efforts are everwhere apparent in my personality

0_sugar_0: the more you are able to use the skill of learning to see things rationally, while feeling in the moment, the easier it will get.  like any other skill, the more its done, the finer it is honed

eternumpace: anyway, i thought i found some poetry there, not just of myself but, of all people. SINCE we are all dreams inside a dream dreaming expert narratives about who we are

0_sugar_0: even our own 'reality' of who we are is subjective within ourselves

eternumpace: another good point on your part, sugar

0_sugar_0: we only see reflections of who we are really, even within ourselves

eternumpace: schizophrenia is calle dby some hypersanity

0_sugar_0: smile...never heard it put that way before!

eternumpace: the schizo pursuie psychic ease with hypervigilance

0_sugar_0: like water following gravity down hill, its the nature of your being

eternumpace: in many ways, and also quite ironically, i will never be as good at as as I perceive other people to be in their cultural roles

0_sugar_0: culture smulture...i am partly product of my upbringing and environment...but i also am a free agent to be who i want to be

eternumpace: but intoxication and particularly sexual romantic intoxication was said by german philosopher genius friedrich nietszche to be pivotal to truth

0_sugar_0: i can break the bonds of culture, even if i cannot severe them completely

0_sugar_0: pivotal to truth...when intoxicated or aroused...we tend to show our base instincts to a greater degree

eternumpace: yes. i understand. there is a lot of grey area there in the ideas of cultural role, identity, uniqeness. i know that most people are more unique (and more cultured) than we know

0_sugar_0: we tend to be much more primal, rather than a thinking rational creature

eternumpace: ultimately, i am an utter 100 percent product of my culture, but my culture is not just what we think it to be (trapped in our cultural milieau)

eternumpace: our culture is as in indian it is said a rhythm of desi and marga

eternumpace: as you say, ultimately Primal and also with an elemental of agreed upon local sentiment (moral/rational)

0_sugar_0: culture is many different factors blending into an often out of focus whole.

eternumpace: yes. and we use myth and myth of self to share as you say what we know, what IT knows

0_sugar_0: the cultural myth of a collective consciousness

eternumpace: but IT or the spirit of knowledge is ambivialent as i was discussing with velvt earlier to notions of good and evil, such are local sentiments of "reality" or Desi

eternumpace: yes. as you just said. i like that

eternumpace: i wish i had paid more attentoin to trogon now. lol

0_sugar_0: saw a study once on small toddlers...regardless of gender, race, nationality, culture, etc...at the same age across the board, all children draw the same exact geometric shapes while doodling ...that to me indicates we are as One yet like cells in a body we all have our own individual function

0_sugar_0: hehe, i miss tro

0_sugar_0: he wasn't always easy to understand, but he was cool

eternumpace: teh hear of the beast is with us now i think that<<< is part of a pagan prayer

eternumpace: the heart of the Beast

0_sugar_0: hard telling, ive never heard that in a pagan prayer before, but it could be (shrugs)

eternumpace: velvt told me today that trogon was wheelchair bound. i did not know that

0_sugar_0: there is a sinner and a saint in every one of us.

0_sugar_0: really?  makes sense why he has done so much inner work with astral projection

eternumpace: yeah. i guess.

0_sugar_0: always wanted to talk to tro in person or on the phone...just never had the chance

0_sugar_0: out of body means he's not wheel chair bound anymore

eternumpace: yeah. he wanted me to call and get a reading but i was too shy hehehe

0_sugar_0: well, he did a chart for me once...it was interesting to say the least

eternumpace: i guess, in high insight, he just seemed to detached to me. that musta freaked me out a little

eternumpace: yeah. he told me some online of my chart once. he was right on

0_sugar_0: he could be a bit detached, talking in the third person like he did

eternumpace: actually, i think he talked in the fourth person "WE"

0_sugar_0: did you fill out the questionaire he offered to send to your email addy if you wanted it?

0_sugar_0: hehe, your right, the WE thing used to get to me sometimes

eternumpace: he sent me some stuff from that online book him and his buds were writing

eternumpace: interesting essays on the nature and evolution of the universe and personality

eternumpace: cool stuff

0_sugar_0: i read some of it, but some of it was over my head in understanding

eternumpace: so what you mean is that you couldn't put it into your own words, right?

0_sugar_0: the questionaire had some odd questions on it...and he was a bit surprised by most if not all of my answers i guess.  he said that was a person with a high vibrational number and unique in that way (shrugs)

eternumpace: i just had a gestalt: that faith is faith in one's ultimate propriety of myth/truth even when it doesn't match the rational mind

0_sugar_0: it was hard to put into my own words...but even harder to put into concepts i could grasp hold of well

0_sugar_0: good definition of faith

eternumpace: faith in vibe

eternumpace: heheh

eternumpace: intuitive knowing

0_sugar_0: im a firm believer in gut instinct and intuitive knowing

eternumpace: like from this book "the divine romance" i am reading...

eternumpace: the author says he can only read parts of books or only needs to to get teh overal energy truth from the ether so to speak, because all invenation all possiblities for word, thing idea are already in existence

eternumpace: and our soul's all have full access to this infinite field of potentiality and perfect creative law

0_sugar_0: oh yeah...we talked about that one last time i was in!

eternumpace: yes!

eternumpace: well, i am going to treat myself to a movie tonight i think

eternumpace: i call cinema an induldence of my interest with pantheosophic anthrophiliterature

0_sugar_0: hehe, okay, i need a dictionary now

eternumpace: or God as a sortof Happening. like you said earlier,  we all are always in our spirituality we just don't always realise it

eternumpace: see. i listen to you when you speak tee hee

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: sort of a good convo in the room at the moment...trying to flip back and forth...lol

eternumpace: well, iwas going to logoof disheartened somewhat that i had not arrive at the truth I was reaching for or the expression of it but you have helped me out once again

eternumpace: what is happenign in the room?

eternumpace: wait. i'll come and see

0_sugar_0: hard to explain...seems they are talking about bravados 'mask' and how it keeps him seperated from others

eternumpace: mmm. interesting fellow he is

 

     Entering World Religion 1...

 0_sugar_0: same goes for all of us

 -bravado-: *thinks she is taking this all a bit personally*

 pendragon.of.britain: I think that Sugar is giving you some good advice, Bravado

 0_sugar_0: nah, just stating a simple truth

 -bravado-: Humans are very silly though

 0_sugar_0: they can be...lol

 0_sugar_0: part of their charm

 -bravado-: Perhaps

 -bravado-: But it leads to much damage

 0_sugar_0: to be serious all the time has no balance

 pendragon.of.britain: greetings, Eternum

 -bravado-: *finds that statement a personal affront*

 eternumpace: we wear masks coer our cheeks and hide our smiles. we wear masks - anthony p. dunbar

 0_sugar_0: need a little silliness to it..besides, making mistakes often teaches us more than our success ever will

 -bravado-: *stands on one foot*

-bravado-: Bravado is most balanced!

 eternumpace: greetings, pendragon

 0_sugar_0: you are bravado, in your own way...you lend an air of 'bravado' and antics to your mask in here...lol

 -bravado-: *folds arm*

 0_sugar_0: there is some fun to the seriousness

 eternumpace: good to see pend again as with sunravyn

 0_sugar_0: its a compliment hun...lol

 pendragon.of.britain: and you as well, eternum

 -bravado-: Bravado refuses that others make witty comments out of his character flaws without him etting them up!

 -bravado-: *ego is bruised*

 -bravado-: *holds head in hands*

 0_sugar_0: aw hun...no need to be bruised.  your a fun guy as well as serious

 myopic41: Hello, I am back.

 -bravado-: *twists 90 degrees to the left*

 pendragon.of.britain: my my . . it's getting melodramatic in here

 0_sugar_0: wb

 0_sugar_0: lol

 -bravado-: *another 90 degrees*

 -bravado-: *becoming...uncomfortable*

 -bravado-: *releases head*

 eternumpace: Wit is one of the primary characters in teh play, "The WAy of the World"

 0_sugar_0: (if you keep turning, you will be facing us again!  it will come around full circle as most things do...going in cycles)

 myopic41: When has it ever not been melodramtic in here.

 0_sugar_0: hehe, good point myo...

 -bravado-: *is NOT melodramatic*

 sunravyn2: hiya eternumpace
sorry was afk

 0_sugar_0: what did you call it earlier?  as the world religion turns?  lol!

 eternumpace: hi, sunravyn

 0_sugar_0: all of life is a play bravado...each of us an actor doing his part

 -bravado-: Tis Velvt!  The starter of conversations!

eternumpace: bust a move, bravado

 -bravado-: *flees in abject terror*

 -bravado-: Bah!

 0_sugar_0: hi rob

 -bravado-: She leaves!

 0_sugar_0: forgot the humbug after the bah!  lol

 -bravado-: *no doubt intimidated by his tiger stripe costume*

 myopic41: May I ask what other forms terror comes in?

 -bravado-: Sure!

 pendragon.of.britain: Greetings, Myopic

 -bravado-: Abject is the best kind....

 eternumpace: a leaf that falls lightly to the ground . there you find ancient horror and terror do you not?"

 0_sugar_0: seems the only form i know of is the unknown...always afraid of what is not understood

 -bravado-: *mmmmm....abject terror!*

 myopic41: Hello again pendragone.  It has been awhile.  How are you?

 -bravado-: *story comes out*

 0_sugar_0: news at 11?

 -bravado-: There was this one time when Bravado was in Italy

 pendragon.of.britain: I'm great, Myopic, you?

 eternumpace: in many ways, modern neursoses is fed by our loss of the regenerative mythos of our agragrian ancestors

 -bravado-: Walking the streets of Rome at 13h000

 -bravado-: um

 -bravado-: 13h00...

 myopic41: I am fine thanakyou.

 0_sugar_0: cool bravado...my sis has been to rome, said its great there

 -bravado-: Yes...that led to a most unfortunate circumstance of abject terror...

 -bravado-: Yes...just grest....

 eternumpace: that of the seasons and seasonal changes, or as the song says, to everything, turn turn turn, there is a season, turn turn turn, so in point of fact if schizophrenia is a disease merely of words then we are all pathological

 myopic41: I am still having some busy background problems.  So response may not be that great.

 0_sugar_0: k myo

0_sugar_0: k myo

 myopic41: We are all pathological about one thing or another; therefore, it matters not if a disease is merely of words.

 eternumpace: it does if Pythagorus was right

 eternumpace: and onto and logos are parts of the same whole

 eternumpace: ontos

 0_sugar_0: velvt just imed me...she cant seem to get back into vp

 eternumpace: of course psychiatry wouldn't be here without such a hypothesis ontos=logos

 -bravado-: Then bid her Adieu from Bravado!

 myopic41: Tell her to use f5

 eternumpace: QED

pendragon.of.britain: tell her to clear out her internet cache and reboot

 0_sugar_0: she sends her regards to everyone...and a hug...and a big ole wet sloppy kiss for you bravado (wraps a scarf around your neck per velvts request)

 -bravado-: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 -bravado-: TREACHERY!

 myopic41: Depends on how far out she is.

 -bravado-: *reels backwards gasping*

 -bravado-: Argh!  *falls to ground wheezing*

 -bravado-: Assassin!

 -bravado-: Blackguard!

 -bravado-: *collapses*

 eternumpace: for we are all faeries and the worlds our silver screen

 -bravado-: *would object to that if he were conscious*

 myopic41: psychiatry is here olny to comfort the ignorant of pathologies.

 eternumpace: ok. thank you for that sympathetic synospsis of mental health

0_sugar_0: i need to run for now...seems the munchkin is starting to run fever again!

 eternumpace: aloha, sugar!

 0_sugar_0: hugs to all, take care and i'll catch you later

 myopic41: Be well sugar.

 -bravado-: *a hand waves from the pile of tangled limbs that was once a healthy Bravado*

 sunravyn2: lol bravado

myopic41: It is doubtful that any is really mentally healthy.

 eternumpace: health and morality are closely related as closely guarding institutions of "desi" or local consensus sentiment (in contrast to universal truth)

 myopic41: Given the recent discripts of bravado, how do we tell the healthy from the unhealthy.

 eternumpace: a wonderful enigma is that whole subject

 eternumpace: toodles ev1. sail away

 sunravyn2: hiya coal

 -bravado-: *a fresh adreniline rush inundates Bravado's nerveless limbs forcing them once again to be animated*

 -bravado-: Keep Bravadp out of this

 -bravado-: *eyes flash with fresh energy*

 myopic41: sail away sail away sail away.