At the end of all our wide world wandering we return to the land of our fathers and catch time in clouds

of prayerful anticipation of the eternities inside eternity.

"Magic is afoot," we used to say in buildings made of motion.

"The Goddess is alive," we used pray in time's forgot its ocean.

We used to city around electric fires and make up things

to do with our hands and feet.

We used to look face to face with God and wonder where

we were.

We used to want more than we had and labour a child named

Pain.

And then. Until. When once inside a time we waved

and breathed and mouthed goodbye to love's last light's last labour lost.

eternumpace hops in the car and heads to the mall

eternumpace flirts with anyone in earshot

eternumpace waves at everyone

sunravyn2: hiya!

eternumpace: hi

eternumpace: hows things?

sunravyn2: pretty good

sunravyn2: how bout you

eternumpace: i was choking on some noodles but i'm ok now

sunravyn2: ooooo

eternumpace: at the end of all our wide world wandering we will choke on a noodle and that's all folks

sunravyn2: choking is never good

eternumpace: nope

eternumpace: breathing is most definitely a far far better thing lol

sunravyn2: lol i agree

eternumpace: although, we do all have to go sometime. did you see the tower of light tribuite in new york, or the picture of it I should say?

sunravyn2: nooo sorry to say i didnt

eternumpace: i'm sure you will. it is quite beautiful, two massive pillars of light shooting up miles into the new york sky just one block from ground zero. so very ephemeral

sunravyn2: wow

sunravyn2: i am sure i will see it then or find it online

eternumpace: yep. you can find it at msnbc.com or cnn.com for sure

sunravyn2: will have to look later

eternumpace: i still can' believe tha happened, such a massive shift in my awareness of people around me in an instant that will be frozen in time forever

eternumpace: effecting everyone in the world

sunravyn2: yes - but a lot of ppl are already forgetting

eternumpace: what do you mean?

sunravyn2: right after it happened we were all together

sunravyn2: now some ppl are saying it was our fault or it was mid-eastern terrorists

sunravyn2: wasnt

sunravyn2: mid eastern

eternumpace: well, whatever the case, it forces a lot of people to take a good hard look at themselves i think

sunravyn2: i would hope so

eternumpace: may the force be

eternumpace: with you, "and also with you" . that

eternumpace: that would be a good church, the united church of star wars

sunravyn2: agree

eternumpace: i have been meditating a lot upon the propriety of myth

sunravyn2: what have you come up with?

eternumpace: how are beliefs express our divine will

eternumpace: our self-image

eternumpace: "the truth shall set you free" and all that. i have come to no firm conclusions but I did ask myself one huge question...

eternumpace: "if I could make the world into however I wanted it to be, what would i do?"

sunravyn2: that is a big one!

eternumpace: yes, i finallybecame fed up with feeling sorry for myself and decided it was time to dig one huge old shovel out of the sand

eternumpace: i must say it feels very very good. i have lived my whole life in the shadow of my parents emotional "issues", now I must understand that that is my choice

eternumpace: i listened to God and He or She said that I need to open up to my masculine side more

eternumpace: hallelujah!

eternumpace: lol

eternumpace: learning the language of letting go

eternumpace: shalom

eternumpace: soul worship

bel____: 'ello

eternumpace: welcome

eternumpace: blessed be

bel____: keeping warm, I hope?

eternumpace: yes yes

bel____: I decided to pop in for one last time, I think, iI must give up on excite chat..

bel____: It just aint as I remember....

eternumpace: change is the only constant

eternumpace: except maybe love :-)

bel____: I remember your name from 'before'...

bel____: yes, change..

eternumpace: i heard a lot of people went to Halsoft

bel____: Really.. first I've heard that name..

eternumpace: i like this though. more quiet. more my thing.

bel____: I don't think I will perpetuate the 'chat experience' further..

eternumpace: why not?

bel____: Quiet.. means, turn the pc off and watch a movie with the loved one, no?..

eternumpace: that sounds nice. right now a loved one, my mum, is watching a movie lol

bel____: I remember many theological discussions in here, and buddhism room,

eternumpace: i agreee, though, the "chat experience" can be good and bad, or at least I have been fed up with it at times

bel____: had many long, good , chats..

eternumpace: yes. same here. that's why i come back.

eternumpace: i have learned a lot

eternumpace: although, thisis also a mythological experience in the classic sense that "we all what happens"

bel____: now, is just a lot of 'fancy AVs' and conceptual attitude, to coin a phrase, if I may..

eternumpace: "we all know what happens"

bel____: mmm..

eternumpace: our culture or internet culture is mental by nature

bel____: I have learned tons about myself, for sure.

bel____: we like to think so, don't we?...

bel____: Im not so sure, tho..

eternumpace: and yet even as the mental comes into its own we must deal with the emotional as well, that is why perpetuates our mythic desires for divine creativity or creative power

eternumpace: its a quixotic adventure not for the faint of heart lol

eternumpace: flora digitalis

bel____: as adventure goes, it is more of an excuse to avoid....adventure...

bel____: if you think about it..

bel____: a way of hiding, or handlijng life thru a filter..

eternumpace: that's why i said "quixotic" a literary character that found adventure in everything , even the absurd

eternumpace: the "souls adventure"

eternumpace: but, Yes, i agree, it is not rock climbing lol

bel____: k ...lol I like rock climbing..

bel____: and this spring, I'm gonna get back into it..

eternumpace: my friend does to. i however am a mental chap, and a mental bloke

eternumpace: good for you. i will read the national geographic about rock climbing :-)

eternumpace: i do like going for long walks though, which I do all the time.

eternumpace: hello, kmp

kmp01: HI

eternumpace: HOwdy

eternumpace: whats up, Dog?

kmp01: N*M*H* &U

eternumpace: you've stumped me. what does that mean?

kmp01: N- NOT

kmp01: M-MUCH

kmp01: H- HERE

eternumpace: O K

eternumpace: I am trying to start my new book

eternumpace: do you want to hear the first line?

kmp01: KOOL

bel____: sure

kmp01: SURE

eternumpace: kk

eternumpace: At the end of all our wide world wandering we return

to the land of our fathers and catch time in clouds

of prayerful anticipation of the eternities inside

eternity.

eternumpace: what do you think?

kmp01: IT'S GREAT

eternumpace: thanks :-))

eternumpace: there is a bit more if you wanna hear

kmp01: OK

eternumpace: "Magic is afoot," we used to say in buildings made of

motion.

"The Goddess is alive," we used pray in time's forgot

its ocean.

We used to city around electric fires and make up things

to do with our hands and feet.

We used to look face to face with God and wonder where

we were.

eternumpace: well. it's a start I suppose

eternumpace: wb, sunravyn

bel____: a fleeting visit..

kmp01: THATS GREAT WHEN DID YOU GET SO INTERESTED IN WRITING

eternumpace: hehe yes

eternumpace: i remember the exact time really...

eternumpace: about 9 years ago after I dropped out of the physics program at university

bel____: I used to want to write, till I realized..... I sucked..

eternumpace: sitting in my bedroom, wondering what to do

eternumpace: lol. yeah. whatever, bel. thats the magic of writing. everybody is always doing it. that's what i believe

eternumpace: i mean we live in this world where time is money, info is money, money talks, flesh is money, love is money, everything has a price tag, but our very thoughts are priceless

kmp01:

IS THIS THE FIRST THUNG YOUVE WRITTEN

eternumpace: lol

eternumpace: well, it feels that way :-) but no.

bel____: sometimes people write who have no business doing so.. The libraries are full of evidence of this..

eternumpace: hehe

eternumpace: anyone in particular, bel?

bel____: Hmmm.. Dean Koontz?

eternumpace: yeah! i agree

bel____: for one.

kmp01: WELL, G2G C YA LATERZ

eternumpace: good 2 go

bel____: am currently reading the lord of the rings trio..

eternumpace: aloha, kmp. nice chatting with ya

bel____: later , oops too late

eternumpace: that's a big bite of the pie

eternumpace: i saw the movie

bel____: I saw the movie, and couldnt wait two years for the next one..

bel____: the movie is book one..

bel____: to the page..

eternumpace: neat

bel____: its worth reading the whole thing, tho..

eternumpace: i feel bad that i haven't read it

bel____: Iv'e had the books for 25 years.. just now reading them..lol

eternumpace: i will have to

eternumpace: i heard it was like the bible for some people in the 60's and 70's, literally

bel____: it is pretty involved...

eternumpace: ralph waldo emerson was like that for me

eternumpace: some people say that it is the real history of the world

bel____: I'm a true S.K fan..lol

eternumpace: king?

bel____: Nobody ever gripped me with words the way he can.. yes.

eternumpace: stephen king is extraordinary, and I still don't even know why, perhaps he has the pulse of our zeitgeist

eternumpace: hello, sonia.

bel____: He is a nut, and so are we.. So he knows what makes us tick..

bel____: Near as I figure, lol

eternumpace: thats as good a reason as any

eternumpace: he is very well read i think

eternumpace: i think he is a big fan of edgar allen poe

eternumpace: and t.s eliot

eternumpace: i remember finishing the Stand and sitting at my typewritter and trying to write just ilke him lol

bel____: I remember finishing Firestarter and being in a daze for 3 days...

eternumpace: that was his first book, right?

bel____: I don't know..

eternumpace: i thik that was the book that got him and his wife out of their low rent trailer

eternumpace: now he says he would like to write 5 more books and retire. hell, that's a whole career for most writers lol

bel____: Should have been.. What a book.. Course, I was in a state of vulnerability ..

bel____: He said that 5 books ago..

eternumpace: were you ready to burn down the house?

bel____: and really meant it, when he was hit by the car..

eternumpace: i have a theory about king

eternumpace: ooh. yeah.

eternumpace: then he wrote dreamcatcher right?

bel____: hmm?

eternumpace: it's a little convuluted but here goes

eternumpace: metaphysical theory suggests that our every mental occupation right down to our subconscious leaves trails in multi-versal reality

eternumpace: like waves froma boat,and each wave, like a jungian psychic complex, struggles to be

eternumpace: we ourselves could be waves from grander beings than our selves, perhaps our True Selves, I don't know

eternumpace: so like magicians, we can gain information about the unventured possibilites from the sea of multiversal reality and this we call the imagination or etheric

eternumpace: demons vampires, elves, fairies all populate the infinite space between our thoughts

eternumpace: and ,yet, the events of "their" world's bode well or ill for our own

eternumpace: hence, the novelist becomes a prophet. enter stephen king. ta da!

bel____: interresting....

bel____: hi amy

amy_sprue: hello

eternumpace: or "the sin's if the father shall visit upon his children for 10 generatioins" that kind of thing

eternumpace: hello, amy_sprue

amy_sprue: hello again

amy_sprue: just trying to find my way out of here

eternumpace: emerson says that health is the first muse and sleep the condition for it so with art and literature, we awaken the sleeper and dream the dreamer

amy_sprue: the locate thing doesn't work so well

eternumpace: have you tried tapping your heals

amy_sprue: no just my keyboard keys

eternumpace: hehe

amy_sprue: i am perhaps not wearing your magical stilletos

bel____: hi O_

eternumpace: somewhere over the rainbow

eternumpace: sugar. long time no see

0_sugar_0: HI folks, sorry, had a phone call just as I popped into the room

0_sugar_0: :o)

0_sugar_0: wow, has been a while eternum! good to see ya

eternumpace: i thought you were dead

0_sugar_0: thought I would pop by here before heading off to pagan chat

0_sugar_0: lol, no, the rumors of my demise are premature

eternumpace: we are all good pagans in here. please. stick around and we'll drip some hot wax or someone's naval

0_sugar_0: I've just been playing nurse maid to hubby, he had a truck accident back in December and is just now getting back on his feet

0_sugar_0: haven't had much time for chat till recently

eternumpace: yikes. i'm sorry to hear that but pleased to hear you and he are well

0_sugar_0: :o)

0_sugar_0: hehe, me too, he makes for a lousy patient

eternumpace: i tend to follow mcCartney's advice and "live and let die"

0_sugar_0: heh, like the old saying: From the moment of conception we are racing to meet death

eternumpace: thanatos is your friend, as jim morrison used to say before he overdosed on heroine in his bathtub lol

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: "he who dies before he dies, does not die when he is dead" zen

0_sugar_0: heard they were thinking of moving his grave as the vandalism is getting to be too much all through out the cemetery (Jim Morrisons grave)

eternumpace: hmm. yeah

eternumpace: i'm going to rent the Doors again this weekl

eternumpace: then i can pay him a visit

eternumpace: ITS SO GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN SUGARRRR !!!!!!!!!!!

0_sugar_0: I personally want pin wheels, sparklers, banners, and tacky christmas lights on my memorial, just to piss off the rest of the residents around me....hehehe

0_sugar_0: same to you eternum! miss the familiar faces in here

eternumpace: i want a big whopping tower of light

0_sugar_0: something you need to wear sunglasses around even at mid-day, huh?

eternumpace: well. no not that bright

0_sugar_0: think I told you once, I want my memorial to read: To Be Continued...instead of Rest In Peace

0_sugar_0: hehe, actually, I kinda like that idea, a tower of light

eternumpace: well, i'm stealing the idea from NYC

0_sugar_0: really?

0_sugar_0: wasn't aware they were planning on that...I take it that it's a memorial for the victims of 9-11?

eternumpace: yeah, look at cnn.com. the giant light tower memorial erected in Ny, just a block from ground 0

0_sugar_0: ah, k, thanks, I'll check it out

eternumpace: "temporary yet ephemeral"

0_sugar_0: what have you been up to these days? been a loooong time since I've had the chance to catch up with you

eternumpace: We used to look face to face with God and wonder where

we were.

We used to want more than we had and labour a child named

Pain.

And then. Until. When once inside a time we waved

and breathed and mouthed goodbye to love's last

light's last labour lost.

0_sugar_0: oh, I like that, did you write it?

eternumpace: i'm trying

0_sugar_0: I can't stay long, I'm just taking a break from working on winding a warp for my loom. Had to give my back a rest for a bit

0_sugar_0: I'm gonna end up a stooped shouldered old lady at this rate

eternumpace: last I heard you were quite the writer yourself there sugar

0_sugar_0: hey wanderer!

0_sugar_0: hehe, well, I write for myself

_wanderer___: hey sugar

0_sugar_0: keeps me sane

eternumpace: and for strangers ?

0_sugar_0: sometimes I give my stuff to others, just to get some feed back

eternumpace: "I write for myself and for strangers" <I forget who said that>

0_sugar_0: hard to be honest with your own stuff sometimes, need to get a different opinion to keep some balance to it

0_sugar_0: how you been wanderer, haven't seen you in a month of sundays

0_sugar_0: Hi ya heaven

eternumpace: month of sundays. i like that

heaven23: hello

_wanderer___: been a long time....doing great sugar....how you been?

0_sugar_0: hehe, my granny used to use that phrase a lot

0_sugar_0: doing good, hubby is back at work and on the mend

eternumpace: i would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven

heaven23: hi sugar and evryone :)

0_sugar_0: I would rather follow the beat of my own drummer....lol

eternumpace: i would rather slap my own salami

0_sugar_0: heck with that, I want the drum, make my own music....lol

0_sugar_0: oh geeze eternum (chuckle!)

0_sugar_0: so whats new in here, been a while since we've had many folks drop by

eternumpace: any nouveau riche amongst us?

heaven23: i'm a newbie :)

eternumpace: :gives you a lay

0_sugar_0: hhhmmm.....I'm common place lower middle income myself eternum...lol

0_sugar_0: howdy heaven, glad to have ya

heaven23: nice to be here

eternumpace: aloha

0_sugar_0: it's a mixed bag in here, all types, kinds, and religions

bel____: I'm a lowly commoner...

heaven23: great!

heaven23: my kinda place

0_sugar_0: hehe, the peasants are going to revolt

eternumpace: like holding a mirror up to nature

heaven23: i just came from the christian chat

eternumpace: personally, i am in the winter of my discontent

heaven23: where it was pretty rowdy

heaven23: lol

0_sugar_0: hehe, christian chat is.....interesting, although from what I've seen it's rarely christian

heaven23: i know

0_sugar_0: hands eternum a coat for the winter winds

heaven23: there was one girl who was a non believer

eternumpace: in cc i feel like a fly on the wall in the seventh circle of hell

0_sugar_0: I generally hang out in pagan chat myself, if this room isn't full

heaven23: and she almost got jumped on...lol

0_sugar_0: ah, Dante...which sins did the 7th circle represent? do you remember?

0_sugar_0: hehe, I catch 'hell' when I go to cc as I'm wiccan myself

eternumpace: people who can't count to 8 go there

0_sugar_0: LOL

0_sugar_0: well from what I remember Dantes inferno was divided, the upper levels were for less malicious or evil sins

0_sugar_0: the lower levels for the worst ones

heaven23: i was like whoa

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: like leaving the toilet seat up

0_sugar_0: so....if you believe in sin....are there actually worse ones than others...or is sin just sin period? (I personally don't believe in the concept of sin but thought it was an interesting topic)

bel____: ..some good stuff on the web about it..

0_sugar_0: hehe, leaving the toilet seat up is a capital crime...lol

bel____: Dali did a whole series on Dante

0_sugar_0: really? cool!

0_sugar_0: the Dali Lama?

0_sugar_0: or salvador dali?

bel____: Salvador.. DAli

0_sugar_0: ah, k, thanks, I'll check it out

0_sugar_0: :o)

0_sugar_0: there are some good folks in cc, heaven, just have to have the patience to scope em out

eternumpace: in Abraham's time, the father of all 3 of the world's major monotheistic religions, Sin was the god of the moon

0_sugar_0: cc=christian chat

heaven23: i met a few nice folks there

heaven23: :)

0_sugar_0: never heard that one before eternum...interesting

eternumpace: national geographic, Dec 2001

0_sugar_0: wonder if that was an attempt at discrediting the pagan religions which incorporated lunar symbolism into their spiritual beliefs?

bel____: It's the nice ones ya gotta watch out for..lol

0_sugar_0: lol

heaven23: lol

heaven23: well i'm nice

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: in part, a common custom througout cultural history

0_sugar_0: I guess instead of 'sin' I see it as mistakes that are there for the purpose of teaching us as we go through life. We either choose to learn from our mistakes, or we don't and we repeat them again and again until we do learn them

eternumpace: but we all know what happens when you repress truth - it comes out in new and ingenious ways, to such an extent, and gleaned from my studies in philogy, that such suppression is the first act of what we term consciousness

heaven23: anyone here baptized

eternumpace: original sin is original creation

0_sugar_0: been sprinkled and dunked, once in a lutheran church as a kid, and in a baptist church as an adult, but I'm not what you would call christian these days....lol

heaven23: lol

bel____: Same here..

heaven23: i've never been baptized

bel____: Protestant as a child..

eternumpace: all have been baptized in the wholy spirit :-)

eternumpace: Logos is Sin

0_sugar_0: I don't like the idea of 'guilt'...guilt is self punishment more or less, it serves no purpose. Sorrow, remorse, they can lead to changes and are healthy, guilt is not

heaven23: :)

eternumpace: The Golden Conversation, HNIWSH OMEGA, Face to Face with Yahweh in all things

heaven23: i don't want to belong to one religion

0_sugar_0: there ya go, god in any name or form is still god, face to face, spirit to spirit

eternumpace: Let's not forget that Jeus's mytholigical descent into the underworld is a unification with "Satan" not a conquering of him

0_sugar_0: ecclectic....more or less what I am too heaven, although I choose Wicca as the form of how I relate to a higher power

heaven23: i was brought up methodist

heaven23: i went to a catholic school

0_sugar_0: hhhmmm....I know some baptists that would shoot ya for saying that eternum

0_sugar_0: get em in an uproar

eternumpace: just quoting creative mythology, history, sugar

0_sugar_0: actually, most catholic schools have some of the better educations available

0_sugar_0: hehe, I know hun

0_sugar_0: :o)

heaven23: and i sort of have my own beliefs

heaven23: hehe

0_sugar_0: there ya go in a nut shell heaven...faith is personal, the key word being 'personal' betwixt you and your creator

eternumpace: "the past is an act of creation" Seth

heaven23: my sis and i think the same way about religion

heaven23: my father is totallyu different

heaven23: he tells us you need to get back to church and all

eternumpace: speaking of which, sugar, have you and yoru hubby had a chance to betwix one another lately?

0_sugar_0: guess you could say that 'religion' is the way we worship as well as the name of who we connect to spiritually...spirituality is living what you believe

0_sugar_0: LOL....we manage, even with his broken bones in his foot ;o)

eternumpace: thats is good to hear

eternumpace: man, i've lost that loving feelin

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: whooah that lovin feeling

bel____: I could use a betwixing myself...

eternumpace: now its gone gone gone

0_sugar_0: aw, like all things, the wheel turns, tomorrow will bring it all back to you eternum.

eternumpace: mmm. a wheel? now you've got me thinking

heaven23: is it possible to add this room as a fave

eternumpace: pour some sugar on me, in the name of love

0_sugar_0: hehe, getting a flash back to that scene from Top Gun when they sang that song in the bar

0_sugar_0: I used to have it on my favorites, guess you can still do that heaven

0_sugar_0: don't know since the format change

_wanderer___: wow....i was in a long conversation with my sister and i thought she would never shut up

heaven23: what is wicca

0_sugar_0: lol wanderer

eternumpace: what is ikea?

heaven23: lol

heaven23: ikea

heaven23: :)

eternumpace: ikea: the love of some assembly required

0_sugar_0: wicca is an earth based religion, it views god as being in all things, not seperate from us. god is in nature and us

bel____: Ikea is swedish furniture..lol

_wanderer___ smiles at 0_sugar_0

eternumpace: lol, bel

0_sugar_0: lol

heaven23: coool

heaven23: i would like to read up on it

eternumpace: pantheism, right, sugar?

heaven23: :)

0_sugar_0: some pagans are pantheists

eternumpace: but not all pantheists are pagan?

eternumpace: like existenialists, perhaps

0_sugar_0: I don't particularly adhere to any type of gods or goddesses, I just refer to the male and female aspects of my creator as the Lord and Lady

heaven23: i hearv ya

0_sugar_0: Hi ladye

ladyedian: Good Evening All

eternumpace: but i suspect the subject object dialect of cyborgs and simbients is univeral and endemnic to all faiths, people and customs

heaven23: hi lady

0_sugar_0: there are a lot of good sites on the net to check out heaven. witchvox.com is a good one to start with

eternumpace: did anyone hear what i just said???

0_sugar_0: just type wicca into a search engine/browser, you'll find a lot of sites. Just don't believe all of what you read, some are right on the money, others are all fluff and no good info

0_sugar_0: hehe, still trying to disect it and figure it out eternum

bel____: Ive read it five times.....

eternumpace: i've got your tail, ice man

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: what it means is, you are God

bel____: thank you.

eternumpace: Thou Art Thee

eternumpace: Ye BeGods

0_sugar_0: well, makes sense to me....even the bible says that God blew the breath of life into Adam....to me that is a highly personal act which imparts the spirit of my creator into all of man

eternumpace: So lets re create the myths of all the ages, celebrate symbol from deep elder forests - Morrison

0_sugar_0: I mean come on, an omnipotent being coulda just snapped his/her fingers and said, get up Adam and live!

0_sugar_0: instead god blew life into us

eternumpace: into man

eternumpace: lets be clear about this lol

0_sugar_0: and woman...lol

0_sugar_0: ;o)

eternumpace: well, in jewish midrash, eve has two mouths, if you know what i mean

0_sugar_0: hhhmmm....I kinda like the jewish legend of Lillith myself

0_sugar_0: Adams first wife

eternumpace: even in Milton's Paradise Lost, EVE does all the real talking

ladyedian: aye, that myth is getting more and more attention

0_sugar_0: hey, hubby is home! brb, wanna go get some hugs and snuggles

eternumpace: somebody explain Lillith to me

ladyedian: lol@sugar

eternumpace: give him a kiss you sexy beast

ladyedian: the myth is that Lillithwas the first wife of Adam...made equal to him not from or for him

eternumpace: And Adam meants Earth in Hebrew , right?

ladyedian: but she questioned the word of God and was driven from Eden

ladyedian: I think so, yes

eternumpace: " i like to do whatever a Woman wants because the spirit always finds what the spirit always haunts"

ladyedian: lol

eternumpace: hear ye hear ye

eternumpace: hey, Lilith, get out of my dreams and into my car - Huey lewis

ladyedian: if you look at a lot of the religions that existed prior to the Hebrew you will see a lot of similarities in them and the Christian myths

ladyedian: the Hebrew religion has demonixed Lillith very completly

eternumpace: and lets not forget that christianity is 99 percent pagan myth and esp. Greco Roman pagan philosophy

ladyedian: well it has "borrowed" a lot from more ancient religions

0_sugar_0: I'm back for a bit

eternumpace: yet even the torah was a "re-writing" of Syrian and Mesopotamian stories

ladyedian: in many ways it is rather similar to Zoroastroism. A very popular mythos religion of early Roman soldiers

0_sugar_0: interesting topic, rather like the myth of Mythras and how the christian story of christ mirrors it in many ways

eternumpace: and the 3 wise men were most likely followers of Zoroaster

ladyedian: yes it does Sugar...in many ways

_wanderer___: that was billy ocean

0_sugar_0: hehe, I'm trying to read back to see what I missed in the conversation

eternumpace: oh. thanks, wanderer :-)

_wanderer___: lol

eternumpace: i forgot. it's been awhile

_wanderer___: i cant believe i remember it

ladyedian: Some believe the wise men were from various oriental religions studying astronomy not religion

0_sugar_0: seems religion tends to be the 'rules and regulations' of a belief system rather than the belief itself

eternumpace: where ther's a rule there's a way, the librarians credo

ladyedian: basicly all religions are like spokes of the same wheel striving for the center

0_sugar_0: good way to put it ladye

eternumpace: "the centere can't hold" Yeats

ladyedian: each "spoke" is just a different path to that center

eternumpace: i believe each "poke" is a striving for the centre

ladyedian: well, scientifically the center can't hold without the spokes so its an interesting concept

eternumpace: where do indians go for their honeymoon? anybody?

ladyedian: into their tents....

heaven23: i'm back

0_sugar_0: ever watch Doctor Wayne Dyer? He put spiritually connecting to a higher power this way: spill some water on the floor, it is disconnected from it's source, the water it came from. No matter where water is, it tries to evaporate to return to it's source, the clouds. We are that way spiritually, always seeking our source of where we came from

0_sugar_0: wb heaven

eternumpace: pokatwatalot

0_sugar_0: hehe

0_sugar_0: (grimace)

0_sugar_0: :o)

heaven23: thanks

_wanderer___: lmao

ladyedian: oh no....lol

eternumpace: i see some people appreciate good humour

eternumpace: lol

ladyedian: lol

0_sugar_0: thats gonna stick in my head now eternum, I'll be telling that bad joke tomorrow...chuckle

ladyedian: I'll forget it in 10 minutes...I can't remember jokes at all....lol

0_sugar_0: hehe, I think our creator has a sense of humor, or we wouldn't have one

heaven23: lol

bel____: maybe the water is trying NOT to evaporate.. who'se to say what the water is trying to do... just a thought..

roussoums: hello

eternumpace: Sex is proof that God has a se4nse of humour

heaven23: hi rou

ladyedian: Hi roussoums

0_sugar_0: it may not evaporate, true....but more often than not, most water does eventually, unless trapped in some way

eternumpace: what if the water is energy

0_sugar_0: hi rous

0_sugar_0: I think all things are energy, even solid objects are actually atoms in motion

roussoums: nice to see you

eternumpace: motion is the fifth element

eternumpace: energy is the door

0_sugar_0: seems all things are based on sub atomic motion and energy

ladyedian: most wiccans believe all things are energy, and since energy can't be destroyed, just frarranged ...death is looked at differently

0_sugar_0: true

ladyedian: sorry rearranged...lol

eternumpace: vrais

0_sugar_0: energy is never lost or destroyed, it only transmutes and transforms

eternumpace: in vino veritas

eternumpace: or as nietszche said, inspiration is intoxication

eternumpace: and sex is the prime intoxicant

0_sugar_0: enthusiasm is god, anonymous...can't recall where I read that one

ladyedian: transmigratiomn of sould is explained by the restructuring of energy

ladyedian: souls...gods these typos are gonna kill me....lol

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: i think that God was drunk when he created the universe

roussoums: the mystery eludes words

eternumpace: and yet it exudes words

roussoums: yes

ladyedian: oh very good....lol

0_sugar_0: I heard a saying once....God created man because God likes stories

0_sugar_0: as good a reason as any to create I guess...lol

eternumpace: the first line of the book of John the Baptist, when translated directly from its Greek, means "face to face with God" the Word

heaven23: sugar what was that site address again (wicca)

0_sugar_0: try: www.witchvox.com

ladyedian: I believe we were all born of the Goddess and her birthwaters are what created the planents and stars and all we know or ever will know

0_sugar_0: its a good no-non sense site with lots of info and links on wicca and paganism in general

ladyedian: witch vox is one of the better sites if you are new to the Goddess

0_sugar_0: there are tons of books out there these days on wicca too, if you live near a book store

eternumpace: i agree, lady. a good book about wicca is called "Come Kiss My Wart Today"

ladyedian: it has a lot of good links to both traditional witchcraft and wicca sites

heaven23: ok i'll check it out

0_sugar_0: oh wow, hubby is cooking a late night snack, I may have to go and eat some of it with him (I can smell the garlic and onions from here, drool)

heaven23: lol

ladyedian: well, I need to go for awhile...have errands to do...have a good night all...Merry Part

roussoums: sounds good sugar

0_sugar_0: take care, blessings...mp and bb ladye

heaven23: night lady

eternumpace: so God has always been "in relationship"

eternumpace: bb, sugar

roussoums: blessings to you

0_sugar_0: hehe, I'm not leaving yet eternum, just saying good bye to layde

eternumpace: lady, i mean

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: "fu** or get f**cked. either way, new life and new love figure prominently in the dream that I see" Artists of the EArth Unite

0_sugar_0: well, look at little kids, they have no problem believing in a higher power or in magic, to them it's natural...it's when we get older that we discount that relationship and lose our awe for the magical

eternumpace: that is sooo true

eternumpace: if i could be a kid that could drive. that would be the ideal

eternumpace: remember the movie, The Goonies?

0_sugar_0: magic and miracles to me are the same thing, both are based on faith, on energy in motion

eternumpace: ohoooh. very good, sugar

heaven23: that was scary

0_sugar_0: heh, the goonies, that is about 10 years old or older isnt it?

eternumpace: more like twenty lol

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: "the belief in bodies in rest and motion" world religion

heaven23: i was so frightened of that movie

heaven23: lol

0_sugar_0: how old were you when you saw it heaven? I was in my twenties

heaven23: i was like 6 or 7

0_sugar_0: how old were you when you saw it heaven? I was in my twenties

heaven23: i was like 6 or 7

0_sugar_0: the one movie that scared me was Alien, cause you never knew when that critter was gonna jump out and eat someones face

heaven23: i think

0_sugar_0: oops, we lost eternum

0_sugar_0: wb eternum

roussoums: the heartbeat in alien was what was scary

roussoums: wb

0_sugar_0: I just don't like things jumping out at me....I punched my ex hubby in the nose one time when he did that trying to scare me. I didn't mean to, it was just a reflexive fight or flight action

heaven23: alien scared me too

bel____: I must go now... Bye.

eternumpace: apocalypsanoi: this is my theory behind cultura anxiety

heaven23: by bel

0_sugar_0: see ya bel, take care

0_sugar_0: well, hubby is done cooking up a hamburger, I'm gonna go get a bite (or three) before he scarfs it all down....lol

0_sugar_0: bye and blessings all, take care

roussoums: blessings

eternumpace: me too. ciao for now, all

eternumpace: hello

heaven23: hello

heaven23: i thought you left with everyone else

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: hello

heaven23: hey

heaven23: how are you

eternumpace: great

heaven23: cool

heaven23: what's going on :)

eternumpace: how about you? where are you from?

heaven23: i'm doing well

heaven23: i'm from los angeles

eternumpace: i was going to leave and then i realized i didn't have anything else to do

heaven23: yea

heaven23: i was like everyone has left me

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: L.A. huh? well i live on the est coast too. actually, i prefer one on one convos

eternumpace: west

heaven23: yes i'm here on the west

heaven23: i've never been to the east coast

heaven23: although i would love to visit

eternumpace: the land of the setting sun. te occidental orient, lotus land

eternumpace: nor have i (been to the east coast)

eternumpace: do you think i am pretty smart?

heaven23: oh ok

heaven23: i haven't talked with you very long

heaven23: but from whai i gather you are

eternumpace: no. perhaps you would need furtehr experiencew with me to make an honest evaluation

heaven23: yes very true

eternumpace: in vino veritas

heaven23: what does that mean

heaven23: :)

eternumpace: i jus tend to think that people mus think i am such a brain on here even though i am your typical simple minded deviant

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: in vino veritas is latin for truth in wine or intoxication

eternumpace: like the ambrosia of meeting someone for the first time

heaven23: oh ok

eternumpace: ambrosia is the wine of the gods

eternumpace: like the water of the Goddess

heaven23: you learn something new everyday :)

eternumpace: yes.

eternumpace: il n'est pas de fois. it ain't nothin

heaven23: where are you from

eternumpace: VAncouver, Canada

heaven23: oh cool

heaven23: i want to visit vancouver

eternumpace: why don't you come and see me?

heaven23: i even had hello bc send me literature

heaven23: lol

heaven23: see you

heaven23: if we get to know each other better

eternumpace: my pic is on my website. check it out and then hop on a plane

heaven23: sounds cool to me

heaven23: lol

heaven23: where is your site

eternumpace: www.geocities.com/forladanstamaria/

heaven23: k

eternumpace: kk

eternumpace: i hope you are not sitting there waiting for me to say something

heaven23: no

eternumpace: heloooooooooooo kelly

kellly17: hi how are you

eternumpace: not bad, thanks

eternumpace: helooooooooooooo marynee

kellly17: good, what is you icon?

eternumpace: i'm not entirely sure. someone made it for me

eternumpace: i' m pretty sure there's a moon in there

kellly17: ok

kellly17: Im trying to figure out how to get one

kellly17: I got this one, but not to many to pick form

eternumpace: well, you could steal one, kelly

kellly17: really?

eternumpace: yes. you could take one from me if you like

kellly17: now how is that?

eternumpace: although i have nothing as fetching as marynee has

eternumpace: i want to plough her high field and rediscover the serpent tongue of my ancestry, the Greath Earth Mother

eternumpace: my evensong of love and gentle song

kellly17: ok

kellly17: :o)

eternumpace: vespers of gnosis and boughs of wisdom drawn across the reaches of space, the last frontier

eternumpace: beam me up, scotty

eternumpace: whoop whoop whoop

kellly17: lol

kellly17: well im off for the night... you stay safe

kellly17: Good night

eternumpace: kelly, just Identity me and right click my av, i will change it to something you might like. what is your preference, abstract, man woman, sexy, distraught, about to be raped, waht?

kellly17: nah, Im not into any of those thank you

eternumpace: ok doky doggy daddy

kellly17: nah,,,,Im better then that

eternumpace: hi, marynee

marynee1: heloooooo eternumpace

marynee1: how are you?

eternumpace: heloooooooo

marynee1: hi kellly

kellly17: hi mary

eternumpace: i'm am fine. your sexy bod suits me right down to the ground

marynee1: really,,thank you

eternumpace: my pleasure

marynee1: yours is nice

eternumpace: always ready to give a girl the leg up

eternumpace: thank you :-) it was a present

eternumpace: oooh. i like it when you move

eternumpace: get out of my dreams and into my car, marynee

eternumpace: whats going on?

eternumpace: thats no good

eternumpace: :-((

heaven23: hello again

eternumpace: heaven!

heaven23: hey :)

eternumpace: i missed you

heaven23: hi kelly

heaven23: you missed me

eternumpace: remember that song woody sings to his girlfriend in Cheers, "kelly kelly kelly kelly k e l l y? because I love you kelly kelly kelly kelly kelly"

kellly17: lol

eternumpace: yes. i missed you. you were noticeable by your absense

kellly17: Im here im just trying to find a Icon......

kellly17: Hi Heaven how are you

heaven23: i'm good

eternumpace: did you miss me?

eternumpace: are you having trouble vocalizing your emotions?

kellly17: nope

kellly17: good night :o)))

eternumpace: good night

heaven23: i'm back

heaven23: sorry

heaven23: why did kelly leave

eternumpace: i don't know

heaven23: what's up :)

eternumpace: he or she said he or she was looking for an icon

heaven23: ok ok

eternumpace: S/he

eternumpace: or maybe he or she is a She-He

eternumpace: or a he-she

heaven23: do you come here alot

eternumpace: do i come here often?

heaven23: well yes

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: this week. i'm using my mum's computer. i don't have a computer at home

heaven23: how old are u

eternumpace: 28

eternumpace: your info thing says you are a student but it doesn't say of what

heaven23: i'm 23

eternumpace: i have had 5 years to prove upon you

heaven23: i am a college student

eternumpace: improve

heaven23: majoring in film studies

eternumpace: film, that's a favourite subject of mine.

heaven23: ireally

heaven23: cool:)

eternumpace: what do you like best about film?

eternumpace: i even have a treatise on modern film on my website

heaven23: the stories

eternumpace: using the play, Oedipus Tyrannus by Sophocles

heaven23: if a film tells a good story

eternumpace: stories are good

eternumpace: pork chops taste good

heaven23: lol

eternumpace: sewer rat could taste like pumpkin pie but i'm not gonna eat the filthy mothat fu**a

heaven23: your silly

eternumpace: yes lol

heaven23: hehe

eternumpace: i am at the tail end of my vacation on Salt Spring Island

heaven23: where is that

eternumpace: its a nexus of art and culture on the west coast of canada in the straight of juan de fuca

heaven23: oh i see

eternumpace: man. i would love a name like that...juan de fuca

heaven23: why so

eternumpace: never mind

heaven23: why so

heaven23: nevermind what

eternumpace: juan de fuca

heaven23: what's your name

eternumpace: Landon

heaven23: very cute name

eternumpace: did you see my pic?

heaven23: i'm stephanie

heaven23: yes i did

eternumpace: nice to meet you stephanie

heaven23: very handsome

eternumpace: why thank you

heaven23: nice to meet you too

eternumpace: i wish i knew what you looked like

heaven23: http://profiles.yahoo.com/angel78911

eternumpace: oooooh

heaven23: lol

heaven23: what

eternumpace: give me a sec k?

heaven23: ok

eternumpace: kk

eternumpace: you look maaaahvelous!

eternumpace: who is "janet"?

eternumpace: are you there?

heaven23: brb

eternumpace: hello in there in there in there in there.......in there.....in there........

eternumpace: alright

eternumpace: i once knew a girl named skiddy maroo

eternumpace: i once knew a girl named bony maroni

eternumpace: heaven, i hate to say it, but I must excuse myself from this delightful meet and greet of

two lost angels. may I bid you a fond journay and sweet dreams in the wonder of a child's eye. may we meet

again and until that day comes, may the road rise up to meet you and the wind be always at your fair and

curvacious back :-)