eternumpace: bows to his corner gal

janiepop: good morning

janiepop: how are ya hun ?

eternumpace: oh. that's right. it is morning for you. good morning

janiepop: 5.30am

janiepop: I know I know let the sun get up first

eternumpace: i see you are an early riser

janiepop: sometimes I am especially when I go to bed at 9pm

janiepop: early to bed early to rise makes a man helath wealthy and wise lol

eternumpace: i like that

janiepop: 2 outa 3 ain't bad lol

janiepop: that expression is as old as the hills

eternumpace: well. saw my shrink yesterday. and , lo and behold he told me to get a job even though i be afraid.

janiepop: so what's new pussy cat whhhoowwww ooo

janiepop: well and what did you say

eternumpace: you are awfully chirpy for 5:30 am :-)

eternumpace: i say that he made a lot of sense, but that only time would tell what i would or would not do

janiepop: too chirpy ??? shall I tone it down a cheep ?

eternumpace: but mostly he just spoke with my dad and i listened quite contentedly

eternumpace: no no. don't tone down

janiepop: ok

janiepop: do you always go to the doc with ya dad

janiepop: gets a picture of you listening contendedly

eternumpace: i have thought for a long time and life has granted me a unique perspective on things, so much so that I am bound to buck the status quo

eternumpace: had to laugh yesterday. my dad asks me, why do you have to write for the antichrist? lol

janiepop: and did you alos think nothing to fear but fear itself lol

janiepop: I'm sure you love your Dad and that he is a good man

eternumpace: yes. my da has been coming along

eternumpace: i don't like being alone with this therapist anyway. he is just a pill pusher

eternumpace: a nice man. even a wise man. but a pill pusher nonetheless

janiepop: they like to see what happens when you adjust for the biochemistry

eternumpace: all and all though, it was a learning experience. shrinks are a lot like madmen, they also belief wholeheartedly that they are right lol

janiepop: lol

janiepop: very good

eternumpace: i prefer, however, people who know how truly little they really know

janiepop: they have a biological perspective

janiepop: mostly

janiepop: it is often the quicker route

eternumpace: and i dispise despise despise anyone who thinks phiolosophy, art, poetry are simply distractions from the "real " world

janiepop: amen to that

janiepop: they are the real stuff of life

janiepop: the rest is often bs

eternumpace: i have learned to appreciate them anew time and time again, they are a bottomless well

janiepop: very Western developed nations too

janiepop: that is a very modern perspective ...you know that surity about science

eternumpace: well, there is an irony in that poetry is science

janiepop: have you ever read Ken Wilber

janiepop: mmmmm poetry is science

eternumpace: hmm. i think you have mentioned that name before, but no, i haven't i don't think

janiepop: after you have finished with Tom M ....we'll get onto Wilber

janiepop: so what about the job thinggy

eternumpace: ahum

eternumpace: well, i don't know, really.

janiepop: is it a goer ?

janiepop: I have a friend whose kids wanted to get married

eternumpace: yeah?

janiepop: she'd say not before you have saleable skills

janiepop: grin

janiepop: what saleable skills do you have dear heart

eternumpace: i have very acapital predilictions

janiepop: sure

janiepop: I undersatnd that

janiepop: and I loev the expression

eternumpace: tee hee

janiepop: acapital predilictions

eternumpace: http://www.geocities.com/charistatwo/CCamateuratheismxmas.html

eternumpace: that is my best link for the relationship betwwen poetry and science, which is older than both

janiepop: so shall we take the topic of the antichrist writings or the topic of getiing a job or shall we talk about ?

eternumpace: i don't know. we always talk about me lol

janiepop: no we don't

janiepop: I often tell you about me

eternumpace: well, maybe not.

janiepop: but what would you like me to tell you if you want a change

janiepop: will I tell you that I went to see We were soldiers

eternumpace: i had to laugh to myself yesterday when i gently suggested to my shrink (or ex shrink) that in tandem with my work goals i might benefit from some slightly more subjective counselling

janiepop: and did he gently get the hint lol

eternumpace: he said "what ever would you talk about, your fears? you will always find new fears. you could be in counselling for 10 years"

janiepop: you are joking

eternumpace: no

janiepop: o dear

eternumpace: i 'm sure glad i wasn't paying any money for him i'll tell you that

eternumpace: but he is such a nice old man :-)

janiepop: sure he is

janiepop: just a bit biologically based

janiepop: how old ?

eternumpace: started telling about the starving children in india and how canada will one day not have any social saftey nets so i better get a job, pop my pills and that is ithat lol

eternumpace: "after all, i come to this country and see all the obese people. they must be ok"

janiepop: hold herself down at the other end of the world lol

janiepop: hold even tighter to the seat she is sitting in

janiepop: what nationality is he

eternumpace: indian

janiepop: o boy

eternumpace: over 60 i'll say for sure

eternumpace: his name is Dr. Sadd

janiepop: o boy

eternumpace: boy did God play a funny on him

janiepop: I don't know whether to laugh or cry

eternumpace: to make a long story short, he refused to provide any signed notes so i can no longer apply for disability which is a good thing in my books the whoel affair was becoming too taxing for me.

janiepop: Frued said humour was the ego's most mature defense

eternumpace: i agree

janiepop: ok

janiepop: back up now

janiepop: backup

eternumpace: speaking of Freud, I had to inform my father what horeshite it was for the good Doctor to say that my intelligence was my biggest barrier to "getting better" since the while psychoanalytic paradigm was invented my a man with over 180 iq

eternumpace: >>there are very strict regs for getting disability where I live.

janiepop: you are quoting all of these people correctly Landon ....pleae say you are

eternumpace: yes

janiepop: o Landon

janiepop: it's a bit of a worry as we say in the local dialect

eternumpace: must sound a bit draconian i know. but this is public mental health

eternumpace: you know, aside form the doctors though, the counsellors i have met with have been stellar

janiepop: I'm not quite sure what statement has had the most impact

eternumpace: please, feel free to share any thoughts you might have

janiepop: it's a toss up ....obesity fears or ....

janiepop: your iq being a barrier

janiepop: tell you what I think are you sure

eternumpace: lets not spend too much time on it. you and i both know its a bit odd for sure

eternumpace: but do tell me, yes

janiepop: sit down Landon make yourslef comfortable

eternumpace: lol, kk

janiepop: and I'll get myself a cuppa

janiepop: lets speand 10 minutes on Sadd

eternumpace: .oO btw, one of the reasons i mentioned counselling to him was because of what a positive learning experience it has been speaking with you.

janiepop: firstly what has he done that is positive

janiepop: let's get a perspective

eternumpace: and i knew already of his prediliction towards the quick fix

eternumpace: positive? oh. some very positive input. i feel that his admonishments (gentle) to do normal things like date and work and live independantly were well received by me in heart

eternumpace: also, the inclusion of my father in the therapeutic (or pseudotherapeutic) process has the benefit of making my father more understanding

eternumpace: also the pills DO WORK. i haven't felt this good in my entire life

janiepop: back with tea

janiepop: and reading above

eternumpace: the good doctor is really only guilty of being more of a patriarch than a facilitator, which, coincidently, is why i think my father got along with him so well

janiepop: Landon you are good

janiepop: yes hun there's a lot of it about in the medical prefession

janiepop: yesterday I encountered the same thing when I took Mike to see the Dr

eternumpace: oh, really

janiepop: sure

janiepop: but I am very practiced

janiepop: at how to handle the boys

eternumpace: ha. i like how you say that.

janiepop: 40 yrs of practice

janiepop: at doctors gives me a bit of a edge lol

janiepop: especialy when you are NOT the patient

janiepop: Landon I have a delightful friend and colelague by the name of Dr Ken Nunn

eternumpace: the doctor (dr. sadd) did say one thing that really made me think, as much about his own mental perspective as my own, and in that way I did in fact feel some synergy in our relationship albeit short lived

janiepop: he is a a psychiatrist is Ken Nunn

janiepop: he is loved and I don't mean maybe

eternumpace: is this one of the people you have been meaning to tell me about?

janiepop: no not really

eternumpace: hmm. must be another nun story

janiepop: he is loved and for a psychiartist that is an achievement lol

janiepop: at one time I was having very big problems with my daughter

janiepop: and her medical stuff

eternumpace: i'm listening

janiepop: Ken Nunn said to me .........Jane just remember

janiepop: two things you must do for your Doctor

janiepop: 1) get better

janiepop: 2) be grateful

janiepop: 3) the less better you get the more grateful you will have to be

janiepop: and my other favourite Dr story is this

eternumpace: that's a bit of a mind bender

janiepop: my boss (the last one) Professor of Psychiatry

janiepop: was visiting a patient in hospital

janiepop: in his early days

janiepop: and was trying to discover whether the pateinet was oriented in tiem etc

eternumpace: ya

janiepop: he said to the patient ....do you know what day it is

janiepop: she said you're a doctor aren'tyou

janiepop: Vaughan said 'yes'

janiepop: well she said 'it can't be the weekend then ' lol

eternumpace: psychiatry strikes as a bit of a psychosexual bifurcation, and in this way a micrososm of culture, in that it can be flipped back on itself. i expect mosty mental pantients simply need a loving parental authority of some semlance thereof

janiepop: he said she was his all time favourite patient

eternumpace: that's funny :-)

eternumpace: like you said to me, it was more of a peer tutoring kindof thing, or sounds like one

janiepop: well we like to keep Freud thinking well of us re funny

janiepop: I don't ever really trust ppl who don't lighten up

eternumpace: velvt shared something wonderful with me the other re: mental health

janiepop: tell

janiepop: I nver see her anywhere

janiepop: say hi to het for me will you dear

eternumpace: yeah, Dr Sadd asked me what i did to get out of the depression clinic years back (after he told me how fears can build up and block ACTION) and i said, love , kindness and luck :-)

eternumpace: i will say hi to her for sure. she is doing very well

janiepop: Landon you're calling it

eternumpace: funny how the first thing he told me was that i can

janiepop: re love luck and kindness

eternumpace: i can't trust fate to help me and the last thing he told me is that life is dangerous so do what you will and fate will do the rest lol

eternumpace: sorry. go ahead...

janiepop: mmmmmm

eternumpace: i don't he remembered one day to the next to be honest. aaah. the blessings of age :-)

janiepop: is he a role model for 'good living' 

janiepop: the therapist ought to be 'ahead' of the cleint at some level

eternumpace: dunno. don't know him well enough. i do tend to think highly of the elderly though, something about the before fives and after 80s that makes one an automatic genius

janiepop: tell me waht vel said

janiepop: I think the therapist ought to be able to be delighetd by the client

janiepop: like the client can remind them of things they have forgotten

eternumpace: oh yes. vel said that she had an experience with her animus/anima what have you her Mother figure and discovered that there lies within her the loving authority of her life. the interesting part was that she was literally able to meditate her way into a conscioius dialogue of givin and receiving with both her mother and child archtypes

janiepop: or teach them new angles

eternumpace: i did that on marjuana once.

eternumpace: yes, re: delighted. always makes a good teacher if they see the patient/studen as a resource

eternumpace: i agree

janiepop: my cleints deloght me

janiepop: I rarely get tired by them

janiepop: occasionally I do

eternumpace: just because someone is a character doesn't mean they HAVE character

janiepop: grin

eternumpace: heard that in a movie once

janiepop: there are clients who trie me

janiepop: tire

janiepop: and they are very demanding

eternumpace: do you ever find you have to "tell them off" or set boundaries for them?

janiepop: BUT as long as they are only 1 or 2 in any current caselaod that's ok

janiepop: Landon we call it a 'challenge'

janiepop: that's the terminology

janiepop: lol

eternumpace: i bet my sister could relate. she tutors difficult or challenged youth in a private school. occasionally she gets a challenge as you say

janiepop: I have had a very chalenging client recently

eternumpace: can you tell me about them at all?

janiepop: yes I can

janiepop: at this distance and with no names it's fine

eternumpace: are they a molatov cocktail of psychic dissorders?

janiepop: no mostly not

eternumpace: that's good ;-)

janiepop: I deal mostly with grief and loss

janiepop: and couples

eternumpace: yes. that's right. i knew that...

janiepop: and some depression and anxiety

janiepop: most ppl have a degree of that

eternumpace: has anyone ever come in sat down and introduced themselves, "I'm grief"....."and i'm Loss"

janiepop: grief is my best subject

janiepop: lol

janiepop: I worked with a lady who wrote one of the best ever texts on Bereavemnet

eternumpace: grief. i have felt some grief in my life. i think it was generated by the loss of my mother from the home, but i digress. do tell about this patient of yorus

janiepop: Professor Beverly Raphael

janiepop: wrote Anatomy of Bereavement ....a seminal work on

eternumpace: i'll keep that in mind. really. after my father reads my book, he will die of a heart attack.

janiepop: ok this patient ......

eternumpace: yes...

janiepop: it gets compliacted

janiepop: when you know a patient before they see you

janiepop: I met this guy at work

eternumpace: i can see that

janiepop: we liked oen another

janiepop: he is a genius

janiepop: his iq must be right up there

janiepop: he is a computer programmer

janiepop: he was building a data base for us as a consultant

janiepop: is was awesome

janiepop: he has soem huge accounts

janiepop: ok so they are his strengths

janiepop: he is verypersonable

janiepop: and he is nwo divorced but has a nice new relationship

eternumpace: sounds great

janiepop: with a lady and she has a 4 yr ols son

janiepop: he is rather charming

eternumpace: note self : pick up a nice new relationship on the way home

janiepop: he met her through a dating agency on line

janiepop: called rsvp

eternumpace: that's great. i bet that happens a lot these day. my brother met his new fiance online

janiepop: I think it does

janiepop: a lot of ppl have met inb chat rooms

eternumpace: boy do i have a story for you (but some other time)

janiepop: sure ...Landon we need an agenda

eternumpace: makes a mental note

janiepop: can you out that on the agenda for next time

janiepop: put

eternumpace: aye aye

janiepop: give me a hint now if you will

eternumpace: so what brought this gentle man into your magic kingdom of counselling?

janiepop: hint first

eternumpace: (hint: rule no.1 of online dating. find out if person has a history of serious physical mental or sexual abuse before inviting into your home)

janiepop: and thereby hangs a tale ...whoooa

janiepop: how in the hell does one do that

eternumpace: i do now rest on the edge of my seat waiting to hear the end of this story

janiepop: ok so here we are

eternumpace: hint: one trusts one's intuition for starters lol

janiepop: this si a long story

janiepop: is

janiepop: we might need to take it in bits

janiepop: should I jump to the punch line

eternumpace: well as you wish

janiepop: he has left couselling after 2 visits and dozens of phone calls

eternumpace: aside. here's something funny. my brother made a collect call to us yesterday and when asked if i would accept the charges i replied, "most certainly". both the operator and my brother started to laugh :-)

janiepop: lovely

janiepop: there is a nagging doubt in me that I have been 'duped'

janiepop: re this patient

eternumpace: hmmm. how so?

janiepop: he wanted certain medications

eternumpace: oh.

janiepop: and the dr he was seeing wouldn't prescribe them

janiepop: I made a case for that to the GP

eternumpace: i met a guy oncewho was addicted to his meds

janiepop: in the short term

janiepop: made the case on the proviso that we would work at his 'issues' and we had a plan

janiepop: the GP refused

janiepop: I said fine

janiepop: np

eternumpace: and?

janiepop: and arranged for him to be seen by a new GP who came recommended by my formet boss

janiepop: I moved heaven and earth

janiepop: got him in .spent hours

eternumpace: aaah. getting picture

janiepop: organisng this ...no money

janiepop: had a letter from the GP

janiepop: and yesterday I spoke to the GP

janiepop: who had also received phone calls from his family to ay that he was lying

eternumpace: oh my

janiepop: so the doc and I talked

janiepop: this is a good thing

janiepop: to have a colleague to bounce things off

janiepop: I haven't met him personally

janiepop: but I will

janiepop: the client is accusing his mother of abuse

janiepop: this was the line that stuck me

janiepop: 'she robbed me of my personality'

eternumpace: wowsers

janiepop: now Landon my dear there are soem one liners that clients deliver that really arouse ya

janiepop: here is another one

janiepop: this was from another recent client who had just had a termination of pregnancy

janiepop: " i have always thought of abortion as murder"

janiepop: .....what I ams aying Landon dear

janiepop: is when you hear a line like that

janiepop: you know you ahve a lot of work ahead of you

janiepop: however

janiepop: having said that

janiepop: the lady who had the termination did brilliantly

janiepop: I suspect that the genuis gentle man will never really do well

eternumpace: alas, i suppose wellness and well to do ness are not one in the same animal cracker

janiepop: she did very rapid painful grief work ......she and her man lied on the bed and cried for a week

janiepop: she overcame her grief at exactly the moment it was happening

eternumpace: i have a theory (small letters underlined with the footnote that my theories are derived more from poetic inspiration than any scientific fact or experience per se)

janiepop: I have a theory that we can resolve most things if we grieve at the time it is happening

eternumpace: my sense of the meaning of grief is that it forestalls or is a forestalling love of one kind or another

janiepop: grief is losing a part of yourself

eternumpace: aaah. ok. yes. i see that

janiepop: it's necessary

janiepop: we do it all the time

janiepop: we must

eternumpace: interesting

janiepop: shed ourold skins

janiepop: for new ones

eternumpace: "all of nature changes and we too must suffer change" Ovid , "Metamorphoses"

janiepop: the lady who was in grief

janiepop: sure

janiepop: and very Buddhist

janiepop: and very Christian too

janiepop: very resurrection story

eternumpace: you've don't to hand it to the great poets

eternumpace: did you know that prophet was an old word for poet?

janiepop: very Christ has died Christ is risen and Chrsit will coem again

janiepop: no I didn't know that

janiepop: I find a huge symbolism in the Christian tradition too

janiepop: but not a literal one

eternumpace: once we gave spiritual authority and omg politica authority to poets we should have known we just sold the farm and bought the farm in a big big way lol

janiepop: my husband wants to be reincarnated as a comedian

janiepop: every one has a different medium me thinks

eternumpace: yes. the occidental religious tradition is a quagmire of politica savy, and poetic genius, tricky to attack from the literal end

janiepop: he thinks comedians are the planets gratest gift

eternumpace: yes. i have had that very thought, Jane

eternumpace: almost every other week :-)

janiepop: wot ? about comedians

eternumpace: yeah. i read some buddhist saying once about how if you knew the true meaning of life you would just laugh

janiepop: maps Freud's idea nicely eh

janiepop: sure Buddha was a very happy chappy

eternumpace: Freud's idea?

janiepop: about the most mature ego defense being humour

janiepop: and let me say this

eternumpace: oh ya

janiepop: the manI am talking about

janiepop: man

janiepop: with the huge iq

janiepop: uses no humour at all

janiepop: what happens when folks are grieving or dpressed etc

janiepop: in Freudian terms this is

eternumpace: hey, that's neat. that could mean that i have actually gotten better. the first sitting with shrink i was morose. the last i cracked a joke. gotta be a good sign

janiepop: is to retun to the least mature of the ego defenses

eternumpace: which is?

janiepop: there are lots

eternumpace: anger?

janiepop: but yes Landon that is progress mate

eternumpace: my father uses that one a lot

janiepop: from morose to jokes

janiepop: no anger is not an ego defense in the Freudain classifiaction

eternumpace: oh

eternumpace: what about transference?

janiepop: you can see your success can't you Landon

eternumpace: aye i can

janiepop: tell you what I think about pills

janiepop: they give us the chance to think

eternumpace: check

janiepop: I have been on antidpresants

janiepop: years ago

janiepop: and I was so blown around I couldn't think straight for 5 minutes flat

janiepop: my daughter had been very ill ...long long story

eternumpace: mmm

janiepop: and I was exhausted

janiepop: I have been depressed twice in my life

janiepop: two epiodes ..one treated one not

janiepop: sometimes the poor brain just need a rest

janiepop: too many chemicals whizzing

eternumpace: do you think the ego is a perfect reflection of the body?

janiepop: and buzzing and jangling

janiepop: mmmm now Landon that is a helleuva good question

janiepop: I wish I knew the answer

janiepop: lol

janiepop: mind and body are conected

janiepop: that was Descartes mistake

janiepop: lol

eternumpace: because if ego is a perfect image of the body, wouldn't suicide be rightly classified as a death by natural causes?

janiepop: I go back to the origianal idea of what religion is

janiepop: in the Hindu framework it is karma

eternumpace: or is, for that matter, mental health or lack thereof a clear reflection of the level of health of a whole society

janiepop: read myss.com

janiepop: for that one hun

eternumpace: ya. you said that the other day, religion is karma. very stimulating thought

janiepop: anyways I think that man's natural prediliction is peace

eternumpace: aha

janiepop: and that all the sacred texts and poets and writers on the human condition are all about restoring that balance

janiepop: that was what Jesus was about

janiepop: and Ovid

janiepop: and freud

janiepop: sorry Frued ,,,capital F

janiepop: and and and

eternumpace: is see karma as a stimulus to a creativity where by , in keeping with the positive and negative harmony of the cosmos, we learnd to accept things and project a more clear sense of reality

janiepop: I rest my case

janiepop: sure

eternumpace: emphasis on creativity

janiepop: it's all the same thing ...just a different medium to describe it

janiepop: when we are at peace creativity just flows ..like a smooth running river

eternumpace: i mean it is not illogical in this day and age to suppose that one single atom contains withing it and about it the entire history of existence

janiepop: everything gets easy

janiepop: sure re atom

janiepop: whic brings me neatly to gnosticism

janiepop: ahhhhh my favouriet topic

eternumpace: and since we are made of atoms, it only makes sense that we know what each of those atoms knows

janiepop: we are all part of the big bang

eternumpace: and their very organization is a response the the "real history of the world". IN this manner, as you say, the body knows

janiepop: we are sparks

janiepop: from the big bang

janiepop: we are children of the universe

janiepop: we are eternal

eternumpace: now do i assume correctly that the gnostics believed that christ's life should be interpreted symbollically not historically?

janiepop: we are matter and spirit

eternumpace: children of the universe / can't you see we're spirit wise / children of the universe / look into our planet eys

eternumpace: eyes*

janiepop: ys Landon dear re eyes

janiepop: that is why we get so offended by lack of peace

janiepop: we can be dynamical in that peace though ...a lively peace

janiepop: there have been times Landon

eternumpace: peace is the only real war, the rest is just confusion

janiepop: I was trying to describe to one of the chatters

janiepop: ..his name was mmmm

janiepop: never mind

janiepop: it will cometo me

eternumpace: describe what?

janiepop: describe that connectedness that I sometimes feel to the whole universe

janiepop: it's like I just feel so right

janiepop: so connected

janiepop: so at one

janiepop: and at peace

janiepop: all the same things are happening

eternumpace: sounds good. i get that feeling only rarely. in fact last night was one of those times as i drifted to sleep

janiepop: but I feel like it is heaven on eath 

janiepop: earth

janiepop: and I think heaven can wait

eternumpace: that's what Dr.Sadd said that invigorated me. that even beggin on the streets of india for crums was still heaven

janiepop: now that is wise

eternumpace: Blood is Breath, and both, as a libation, syncopate the mind within with the mind without, forestalling a vision which transcends both thusly: .. There is no right now wrong, there is only the experience of Harmony, of Body.

eternumpace: i agreed with the good doc on that one

janiepop: wooowww

janiepop: pills let us think

janiepop: process

janiepop: integrate

eternumpace: yes, yes and yes

janiepop: lol

eternumpace: oui oui, madame

janiepop: merci beaucoup

janiepop: I have a sister

janiepop: who has OCD

janiepop: she refuses mediaction

eternumpace: OCD?

janiepop: she has been a victim of her illness for 20 yrs

janiepop: obsessive compulsive disoder

eternumpace: oh. one of my best friends says she has that

eternumpace: but i've never lived with her so i just have to trust her

janiepop: she is phobic about a lot of things

janiepop: but one of the things she is phobic about is pills

eternumpace: like that guy in the movie, As Good As It  Gets?

janiepop: yes

janiepop: great movie /////addorrerereerer Jack the thinking older woman's sex symbol

janiepop: don't get me started on Jack

eternumpace: Jack is great. heard he was quite the hellraiser irl though , eh

janiepop: let me ley you into a little secret

eternumpace: which just adds to his legendary status i suppose

eternumpace: secret away

janiepop: you are now entering the secret world of the slightly older woman

janiepop: adjust your seat belts

eternumpace: i'm all buckled in.

janiepop: ok ticket to ride

janiepop: wise women never ever want to lose their wantoness

eternumpace: their wanton wiles?

janiepop: not wiles

janiepop: just passion

janiepop: look let's talk plainly

eternumpace: i see

janiepop: wise is nice

janiepop: but so is wanton

eternumpace: hehehe

janiepop: Jack will do it for ya lol

janiepop: well maybe not you but he will for me lol

eternumpace: is estrus exigent of wantonness?

janiepop: wooooo

eternumpace: no. i always thought jack was sexy :-)

janiepop: good

janiepop: he like us is too cool fro school

janiepop: for

eternumpace: estrus comes from the latin oestrus which is a stimulus to action

janiepop: ok

janiepop: you are amazing

janiepop: now tell me waht that means about estus and exigent and wanton

eternumpace: i love that word, so i made a note of it. i came across it while writing a paper on the history of the human imagination and the evolution of language

janiepop: dear

janiepop: can I just finish the story of the challening client

eternumpace: that paper changed my life AND i got a good grade on it. life was good :-)

eternumpace: yes yes yes

janiepop: you get a continuous HD from me

janiepop: whatever your achievements

eternumpace: you're so kind :-)

janiepop: well it comes easy

eternumpace: that's my biggest challenge in life now. to be kind to myself

eternumpace: even as i type those words i want to cry

janiepop: that's everyone biggest challenge dear heart

eternumpace: i can imagine

eternumpace: yes

janiepop: cry dear one

janiepop: what you feel you can heal

eternumpace: you know what the last thing was that made me want to cry

janiepop: no ?

eternumpace: yesterday when my dad told me he would make sure he gave me a big hug when he left me in the depression clinic all those years back

janiepop: aahhh

eternumpace: i swear i still haven't gotten over the two major depressions of my life. as they were so unexpected. i suppose i blame myself still

janiepop: darlin

eternumpace: i never expected life to be so hard

janiepop: mmmmmmmmmmmm

janiepop: now I'm crying

janiepop: sniff

eternumpace: that threw me for a loop, too

eternumpace: that's estrus for you

eternumpace: that was a joke, janie :-)

janiepop: if we were closer we could give one another abig fat hug

janiepop: teary here

janiepop: we call it empathy

janiepop: yes dear one life can be very tough

eternumpace: oh here. from greek oistros, from ultimately an indo-european word denoting passion

eternumpace: encarta at our service

janiepop: still crying

janiepop: but ok

eternumpace: i'm sorry *hugs

janiepop: don't be sorry

janiepop: I needed it ...life has been tough for me too

janiepop: and lately it's been worrying with Mike in hospital etc

janiepop: busy and worrying

janiepop: you ok ?

eternumpace: and an exigent force is one that requires emmediate action, also used to denote a stimulus to conversation or rhetorical debate

eternumpace: yes. i'm ok now. the storm has passed :-)

janiepop: nver be sorry about making tears run down the cheeks

janiepop: I let myself cry

eternumpace: i heard that tears get rid of like a dozen or more toxins in the human body

janiepop: I don't try and stop

janiepop: tears also have endorphins

janiepop: I need to take my daughter to the train station hun

eternumpace: to estrus exigent of wantonness then would mean that the instinct to mate (esp. in women or Woman) demands that we are playful

janiepop: so thanks so much for the talk ......wonderful as usual

eternumpace: endorphins? i didn't know that !

eternumpace: ok. bye bye! thanks so much. you have been a big help to me, jane.

janiepop: and you me dear one

janiepop: it;s mutual

janiepop: bye for now

eternumpace: *big hug*

janiepop: love to you

janiepop: xxxxxx

eternumpace: and to you also you counsellor you

eternumpace: *poof