eternumpace: hello, you vixen
velvt.: you caught me going out
the door
eternumpace: aaaaw
eternumpace: well, don't let me keep you then. i know you
have places to see, and people to do lol
velvt.: i took a shower and now
i find i'm all used up
velvt.: i have a bed pulling at
me, gravity pushing at me
velvt.: this is depressing,
sometimes
eternumpace: well, i'm sure you are in good hands, hard at
work breathing life into the cosmos
velvt.: lol
velvt.: note to self: remember
to breathe
eternumpace: we have had
this talk b4
eternumpace: about
humans' addiction to breath
velvt.: probably
velvt.: since it's my reality
and i give in and acknowledge it now and again
eternumpace: its all sex
and diamonds or someting like that
velvt.: oh... addiction to
breathing... yeah, we did
velvt.: i have to lie down
velvt.: be well
eternumpace: i will be
velvt.: :)
eternumpace: you sleep
therefore you be sleeping
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eternumpace: how now brown cow
velvt.:
mmmmmmmmOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
velvt.:
lots of calves dropped in
the last week here :)
velvt.:
cute little things
velvt.:
destined for the feed lots
eternumpace:
it is a
strange and wonderful place where you live
velvt.:
yes it is
velvt.:
i saw the strangest deer
yesterday
velvt.:
either it was a spirit
animal or it was a really odd genetic mix
eternumpace:
i learned
something about deer recently
velvt.:
what's that?
eternumpace:
i learned
that deer was associated with Apollo
eternumpace:
kindof
translates to ol Saint Nick don't you think?
velvt.:
why, i think you're right!
velvt.:
cool
eternumpace:
that
information was taken from a 5000 year old artifact
eternumpace:
...blah blah
blah,, the more things stay the same
velvt.:
yep
velvt.:
kind of great, actually
velvt.:
continuity is reassuring
eternumpace:
i really
don'w want to chat about your beastial spirit friends though. i would much
prefer to talk about our addictions and compulsions
velvt.:
well, watching and noting
things in nature is one of my addictions or compulsions
eternumpace:
i've been
dipping into some wilhelm reich on "the orgasm"
velvt.:
not orgasm... let me think
velvt.:
orgone?
velvt.:
i read some of his stuff
many moons ago
eternumpace:
well, the
book is titled the orgasm but he does postulate a thing called the orgone yes
eternumpace:
i haven't got
to that part yet though. i'm still sloggin through the preface
velvt.:
i noticed his observations
about the center of the body and it's rigidity are really right on when you
watch people
eternumpace:
i can't tell
what his words do to me
eternumpace:
do tell
velvt.:
well basically the body
holds or reflects emotions, tensions, etc
velvt.:
and when you start to heal,
to let go, the body begins to loosen
eternumpace:
i often feel
a little rigid when i walk
eternumpace:
wery
interesting doctor
velvt.:
the last of the deep seated
emotions and tensions are held in the middle of the body... around the stomach
and solar plexus
eternumpace:
don't you get
the sense, like myself, that his author really has his eye on the ball
velvt.:
some people may seem very
together and very relaxed, but if you watch the way they move, their center is
stiff and withholding
velvt.:
he was fascinating, i
think... a very original thinker
eternumpace:
in deed
eternumpace:
he is still
alive. i saw him last night seated beside elvis on the A train
velvt.:
i think they wrote a song
about that
eternumpace:
that reminds
me. had another doozy dream last night
velvt.:
i had a weird set of
experiences yesterday, involving my dreams and visions
eternumpace:
it reminded
me of what i read in that echankar stuff
velvt.:
tell me about it a bit
velvt.:
:)
eternumpace:
bottom line
being that i felt an uncustomary bridge between the logic of my dream and the
logic of my life
velvt.:
excellent!
eternumpace:
yeah. a real breakthrough for me
velvt.:
they are all your life
velvt.:
and when you begin to
experience the whole, the continuity, then your dreams become incredibly
awesome
eternumpace:
ok. now tell
me about your hallucinations..ops, i mean visions
velvt.:
as does your waking life
velvt.:
well, in a nutshell, my dog
is tuning into my inner experiences, and barking at noises and voices i am
dreaming
eternumpace:
hmmm. very
interesting, frauline
velvt.:
makes for a VERY disrupted
sleep
eternumpace:
do you think
that these dogs that kept me awake at my old house were actually barking at
dream phantasms?
velvt.:
don't know LOL
eternumpace:
phatasmagoria.
i love that word
velvt.:
lucky just started this
yesterday... i'm hoping it was a one day only event
eternumpace:
you know, i
actually read that word the other day. i thought i mad it up! lol
velvt.:
it's a great word
eternumpace:
i also read
that, symbolically, the dog is very attuned to are anima
velvt.:
i love it when a long word
simply rolls off your tongue and lips...
velvt.:
feels very real and
natural, or 'right'.. not a construct like so many are
eternumpace:
whether that
is a literal truth i dun know
eternumpace:
like
Apocalypsanoia
eternumpace:
or chatanooga
choo choo
velvt.:
well, i see lucky in his
astral body now and then
velvt.:
shupiluliuma
velvt.:
my favorite word to say
eternumpace:
ha ha.
hallaluja. i like that word too. what kind of meds are you on. i don't see
astral stuff
velvt.:
it's not the meds, it's my
awakening consciousness
eternumpace:
yeah yeah
velvt.:
meds inhibit, if anything
velvt.:
they hold me to the
physical
eternumpace:
seems to me
the physical has been pretty good to you lately. i wouldn't knockit or the
orgone faeries might smite you
velvt.:
there have been some good
moments, i agree
velvt.:
but i pay for them
velvt.:
i finally got some messages
from dan... i was beginning to wonder if he had poofed on me
eternumpace:
myself, i
would say 90 percent of my lifetime I have lived inside a mental labrynthine
hell of one kind or another. but i still swear by the physical
velvt.:
it's part of our reality
velvt.:
but not all of it... it's
important to remember that
eternumpace:
lets get
physical physical. lets get physical.
let me hear your body talk
velvt.:
she's all christian now, i
think
eternumpace:
ok ok. but
don't get me off my point
eternumpace:
and my point
is that
velvt.:
:)
eternumpace:
um
velvt.:
we are physical
eternumpace:
i had it a
second ago
eternumpace:
yes
eternumpace:
in deed
eternumpace:
my question
to you is where are we right now?
velvt.:
we meaing humanity, or we
meaning you and i?
eternumpace:
you and I
velvt.:
in what way do you mean?
eternumpace:
seems like a
simple enough question . :-)
velvt.:
our relationship?
eternumpace:
its not
rhetorical so much as exigent of where i would like this discussion to go
velvt.:
ohhhhhhh
eternumpace:
going
somewhere being such an intimate part as it is of where we are
velvt.:
well, i am too stuck in a
physical consciousness, but i have alleviating experiences still
eternumpace:
for only in a
fantasy can a body at rest be in motion, no?
velvt.:
not according to physics
velvt.:
the denser the matter, the
faster the whirling dervishes of electrons
eternumpace:
my point, and
I do have one, is that a very physical reality substatiates our current
encounter and yet something very preternatural as well; they are one in the
same architecture
velvt.:
yep... that cute little
'unified field' thing :)
velvt.:
reality is all of
reality... but we are encouraged to focus on little components so we miss that
overview
eternumpace:
you yourself
are aware of course of the good evil dualism, what about a dialectic of
physical and non-physical, and any dialectic presumes that each element is
constituted by the other
eternumpace:
again, a
fantasy, no?
eternumpace:
sun dances in
your fantasies, moon dances in wet dreams, but the stars inside our cosmic tide
our dancing to the orgy of our copulating streams...
velvt.:
i don't think i agree with
you there, overall... about the intertwined reality...
eternumpace:
you are
waffling me dear heart
velvt.:
i think the physical is
something that eventually we do without entirely
velvt.:
but for NOW, in this
space/time, yes... we are all of it
eternumpace:
i disagree
vehemenently
eternumpace:
i spit on
you, ptew
velvt.:
it brings in so many
different avenues of phraseology and viewpoint
velvt.:
now in space/time is part
of the eternal now... so in that way we are eternally having a physical
experience
velvt.:
but the self that is at
home in the eternal NOW only uses this physicality the way we use, say, our
sense of hot and cold, or our imagination
eternumpace:
so many
people quite rightly presume that karma is most useful in discerning illusion
of physicality and yet miss the corollary that anything can be illusory
eternumpace:
mind and body
are one
velvt.:
and what about the essence
that is neither simply mind or body?
eternumpace:
that is a
trick question
velvt.:
not for me :)
eternumpace:
ok. i'm going
to bring out the big guns now
velvt.:
i'm just asking you to
expand your parameters
eternumpace:
just a sec
velvt.:
don't shoot!
velvt.:
my brain is already mostly
gaps and holes
eternumpace: If the body is a
belief (and if mystery exists in deed it needs be a belief) what would happen
if the body stopped believing in it?
For
that matter, what is IT?
eternumpace: If logic is a
rule whose legacy is discernment between dream and reality (what is wrong and
what is real, known and unknown) then logic itself needs be trans-substantiated
by consciousness...
eternumpace:
its kindof
like, mind ate the message and its messing with our mind
velvt.:
you're right
eternumpace:
brb
eternumpace:
server going
down
velvt.: i have
to leave, too, though
velvt.:
nice chat
eternumpace:
bye!
velvt.:
smooch
eternumpace:
coochy coo
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