eternumpace: i have developed a new and improved game theory. I am  one rule. You are another rule. The goal is to break the only rule

 

Entering Christian Chat 1...

 redeemed15: lol kimbo, now ya might be goin overboard on that one

 umlaut-xx: you push it the government

 _heart44: Lenu is looking for a HOT guy?

 omega_kimbo: well, im right about me being the coolest guy i know

 blurofserenity: who does umlaut?

 umlaut-xx: and now you want to go into people's homes, and push it

 jldrgm1: Frit, how can you tell when a woman is saying something correct?

 redeemed15: well, look whats happen to our schools since God was taken out

 xx_sigh_xx: hiya eternum

 umlaut-xx: you are the worst hypocrites that I have ever seen

 xx_sigh_xx: nice av hehehe

 fritillary20: jl--odds are that they aren't--lol

 jldrgm1: when shes starts out with " a man once told me....."

 coolmomatherbest: hi etern

 blurofserenity: Same as you tell with a man jld

 umlaut-xx: god, should never have been in schools

 lenasa19: Heart yes I have new themo test device I need see if it work.

luke-m-styles: Hey Preacher

 jldrgm1: lol

 redeemed15: so say you

 omega_kimbo: i dont see what god in or out of schools matters

 jldrgm1: sleepy?

 eternumpace: wow. some neat avs in here. hi

 umlaut-xx: separation of state and chruch

 _heart44: lol Lenu let me know if it does

 jldrgm1: look someone has your cow

 redeemed15: it did kimbo

 luke-m-styles: Im back everyone

 fritillary20: lenasa--others have other names for that equipment

 jldrgm1: lets make a herd

 omega_kimbo: how?

 luke-m-styles: Hi

 cwmiller: MOO!

 lenasa19: Need hot guy as Lab rat lol.

_sleepygirl_: hehe  you cant acually own a cow can ya jl?

 redeemed15:  when my kids  have to paint witches , but cant paint  a picture of Jesus

 luke-m-styles: Hi preacher!

 eternumpace: now everybody take a DEEP breath and think about what you are going to say to Jesus

 jldrgm1: moo

 umlaut-xx: lmao red

 luke-m-styles: Ok

 luke-m-styles: so none of u gonna say hello?

 blurofserenity: paint witches? lol.. only at halloween red

 _sleepygirl_: hehe

 lenasa19: firt I not much care what others think

 umlaut-xx: take you kids to a christan school

 redeemed15: when they learn evolution but cant learn creation

 omega_kimbo: witches are a symbol of halloween

 justifiedbyhim: hi luke

 coolmomatherbest: but tell me this,,,,we can't have Christianity in

schools,,but the classes are taught religion in history books and have to write reports about other religions

 eternumpace: hiya, sigh, red, cool

 redeemed15: doesntt matter if its halloween or not

 jldrgm1: MOO

 xx_sigh_xx: im gonna say i didnt do it it was eternum

 umlaut-xx: evolution is part of the foundation of science

 blurofserenity: well that's because creation is a bullshit pseudo-science..

 umlaut-xx: it isnot religion

 xx_sigh_xx: he did it

 fritillary20: red--they can paint a picture of jesus--where do you live?

 cwmiller: :)

 redeemed15: tis a pagan oliday

 jldrgm1: what does a cow say backwards?

 xx_sigh_xx: in cc1

 redeemed15: no frit they cant

 luke-m-styles: HEY

jldrgm1: OOM

 eternumpace: whoah, hold your horsees, blur

 xx_sigh_xx: with the candlestick?

 blurofserenity: halloween is a commericalized capitalist holiday, red

 omega_kimbo: hehe

 _sleepygirl_: thats a buddhist cow jl

 redeemed15: yes

 jldrgm1: lol

 justifiedbyhim: its the other way around bluro

 umlaut-xx: creationism and its off spring--intelligent design, does not belong in schools

 blurofserenity: it's about candy and fun costumes, not pagan gods

 xx_sigh_xx: or the 8ball?

 omega_kimbo: halloween means candy for me

 omega_kimbo: so its ok

 fritillary20: redeemed--won't argue because its dine here with no problem

 umlaut-xx: they are false

 luke-m-styles: Hey

 fritillary20: done

cwmiller: Hardly Buddhist here! LOL

 redeemed15: sad isnt it

 _sleepygirl_: lol cw!

 luke-m-styles: Somebody say hello then

 redeemed15: hello then

 justifiedbyhim: hi luke

 omega_kimbo: welcome back

 eternumpace: now everybody take their turn to speak. don't be shy

 omega_kimbo: brb

 luke-m-styles: Hi all

 _sleepygirl_: hello 

 _heart44: hey lucke

 jldrgm1: mad cow disease

 umlaut-xx: they teach false facts and kids are dumb enough already because parents like some of you  are failing them

 lenasa19: I hope they paint god as a girl. oneday.

luke-m-styles: lol im back

 coolmomatherbest: hi luke

 fritillary20: red--your school district is overzealous and doesn't know the law

 fritillary20: Hello sleepy

 jldrgm1: another cow!!

 cwmiller: ....but it has been several months since I have been here in CC.....

 _sleepygirl_: hiya frit

 eternumpace: just bust-a - move, frit

 redeemed15: its amazing,

 redeemed15: hi cw

 cwmiller: Hi red

 blurofserenity: It has been my experience that the most vocal opponents of evolution are those who understand the theory the least.  That's why I avoid aruging about it, because you can't really argue with a brick wall who's "right just 'cause I'm right and you're wrong, facts be damned"

 redeemed15: God haters in a christian chat room

 fritillary20: blur--you are right on

 umlaut-xx: no one hates god, red

umlaut-xx: lmao

 eternumpace: who hates God? leme at im!

 blurofserenity: We hardly even touched on evolution in my high school curriculum anyways

 redeemed15: there are no facts of evolution only theories

 umlaut-xx: but god doesnt like dumb people like you fundies

 justifiedbyhim: Ive heard debates between creationists and evolutionists and the creationist side hols up quite well

 fritillary20: <doesn't hate god--just doesn't beleive he/she exists

 blurofserenity: justified, they 'hold up' by being stubborn and not listening

 eternumpace: i believe creationists and evolutionists are just barking up two sides of the same tree

 fritillary20: red--thats why its called a theory

 umlaut-xx: well, red, you proved how truly ignorant you are by that statment

 justifiedbyhim: wrong

 umlaut-xx: it is a theory

 lenasa19: Friend always say " I'm right your wrong, I just need few mins to figure out what I am right about " LOLOL

 umlaut-xx: if not it would be an HYPOTHESIS

 justifiedbyhim: you cant argue with facts either

 blurofserenity: gravity is a theory too, let's ban that. it's not mentioned in the Bible

 redeemed15: i just said it was a theory

 redeemed15: umlaut,

 redeemed15: not fact

 umlaut-xx: and therefore, do you know what a theory is

 _sleepygirl_: <off to the poppy field

 umlaut-xx: a theory is fact

 umlaut-xx: lmao

 fritillary20: just--how does it hold up at all--its a religious issue not a scientific one

 redeemed15: oh blur dont be ridiculous

 lenasa19: theory is guess

 xx_sigh_xx: its sumthing u cant prove otherwise

 eternumpace: i'm gonna raise my font size. i don't thinkanyone is reading my wise words

 umlaut-xx: no , len

 jldrgm1: no, a theory isnt a fact, its an idea of what might be

coolmomatherbest: theory is trying to prove a fact

 umlaut-xx: that is an hypothesis

 blurofserenity: Red, I'm not being any more ridiculous than the creationist nuts.

 justifiedbyhim: did you observe evolution?

 cwmiller: (I'll just keep on with my reading in Joshua.....ring me if something important comes up in here...LOL)

 umlaut-xx: you people just do not know any vocabulary

 umlaut-xx: beside

 blurofserenity: Did you observe creation?

 redeemed15: then leave umlaut go to pagan chat

 fritillary20: just--yes we do

 justifiedbyhim: exactly my point

 lenasa19: Well in my field we call theory a guess lolol.

 eternumpace: there

 _heart44: Well seeya room . Im off to find the perfect mothers day present......byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 jldrgm1: lol

justifiedbyhim: when?

 redeemed15: me too lenasa, theory isnt fact

 umlaut-xx: you are going to hell

 umlaut-xx: no, red, I can stay in any room

 fritillary20: lenasa--yes--but all you do is boil bees

 lenasa19: Not so

 coolmomatherbest: oh we can now,,,,,a baby in the womb growing,,,,,it is called seeing by ultra-sound

 blurofserenity: Even if you don't believe that humans evolved from simpler life forms, surely you can agree that the concept of adaptation by survival of the fittest is sound?

 umlaut-xx: you have no idea of science and that is what makes you  people so ignorant

 omega_kimbo: im back

umlaut-xx: and god, doesnt want his people to wallow in ignorance

 eternumpace: ok. lets take the word, "THEORY". a theory to a scientists can be virtually a "law" except for the "FACT" that the scientific method precludes making assertions of law as long as there is even the remotetest possiblity of extraneous data

 fritillary20: umlaut--if they understood they couldn't validate

 justifiedbyhim: adaptation is a whole differnt thing then macro-evolition

 umlaut-xx: only humans , fundys, like red, want  you to wallow in ignorance

 eternumpace: so, a THEORY can, in practice be a "Working Law"

 blurofserenity: Not really, just.  It's only a matter of time.

 lenasa19: I will try remember that ete

justifiedbyhim: i disagree

 blurofserenity: macro evolution is nothing more than millions of years' worth of micro-evolution

 umlaut-xx: blur, dont waste your time with them

 umlaut-xx: they will never understand

 omega_kimbo: well guys, i have to go get ready to look at women now

 jen-jd: ok so what's the speed of dark

 fritillary20: just--the only difference between mirco and macho is the lenght of time

 omega_kimbo: cya later

 justifiedbyhim: dont bait and switch

 redeemed15: kimbo, what do you do?

 blurofserenity: the same as the speed of light, jen

omega_kimbo: well, since dark is the opposite of light

 umlaut-xx: besides, red and i are cybering

 umlaut-xx: lol

 coolmomatherbest: plz don't waste our time with the stupidity of evolution

 umlaut-xx: so dont interrupt me

 umlaut-xx: and her

 justifiedbyhim: i and alot of other scientists disagree

 eternumpace: Newtons Laws of Gravity and Motion are still Theories really

 omega_kimbo: its -3.00x10^8 m/s

 omega_kimbo: i go to the mall and look at women, redeemed

 lenasa19: Theory is ONE persons idea presented to a group of experts that agree, it is a map to produce fact. but is whole in

process theory outlines start to end no proof just guess.

 redeemed15: wow, do you get paid for that??

 umlaut-xx: no andy

 jldrgm1: WHAT did they say at the grateful dead concert when they ran out of drugs?

 fritillary20: just--very few scientists agree with you

 redeemed15: lol

 blurofserenity: , well, more like 2.98x10^8m/s, but you get the idea..

 omega_kimbo: i know what the speed of light is

 hedb: ???????????/

 omega_kimbo: im in physics at the moment

 eternumpace: i think at various multiples of c, therefore I AM :---)

 coolmomatherbest: lol kimbo

omega_kimbo: 2.9975

 omega_kimbo: x10^8

 blurofserenity: actually, other people were working on theories similar to Darwin's at the same time... he just published first.

 jldrgm1: sigh, what are you doing? thats ugly

 omega_kimbo: now, i have to go take a shower and other stuff

 omega_kimbo: see you guys later

 justifiedbyhim: evolution has been around much longer then Darwin

 eternumpace: go bathe, omega

 omega_kimbo: i shall

 blurofserenity: obviously, justified

 justifiedbyhim: the theory that is

coolmomatherbest: bye kimbo

 lenasa19: "I think therefore I am"...Descartes

 umlaut-xx: no, the announcement of natural selection was made by both Darwin and Wallace

 eternumpace: wow. there are some, like, smart people in here today

 hedb: like wow

 blurofserenity: Darwin & Wallace co-wrote a paper on it, didn't they?

 jldrgm1: woah, dude

 fritillary20: lenasa--you think?

 blurofserenity: well, Darwin was the first to really explain the idea of natural selection

 eternumpace: personally i hold with the Arthur C. Clarke theory of evolution being catalized by a big black Monolith

coolmomatherbest: i am very intelligent,,,,common sense,,,,,not book sense

 justifiedbyhim: most evolutionists disagree among themselves on the theory

 umlaut-xx: and YOU PEOPLE< SCIENCE IS NOT STATIC,  THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION HAS BECOME MORE HONED DUE TO TECHNOLOGY ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF GENETICS

 blurofserenity: lol eternum.. replace the monolith with God, and it could even work for Christians

 fritillary20: lol

 redeemed15: He also died a born again christian, darwin did..LOL

 lenasa19: et tuanium desantium ergo et idem.

 eternumpace: backwards that means devil is god

 fritillary20: red--thats hogwash--look it up

 redeemed15: and denounce his evolutionist theory

 redeemed15: i did

 coolmomatherbest: is there anyone in here that can do the things God does?

 fritillary20: red--never did that either

 eternumpace: yes!

 blurofserenity: From what I've red, Darwin never really renounced Christianity... he just renounced the attitude of complete Biblical literalism

 eternumpace: i can be jealous and vindictive!

 umlaut-xx: Darwin never renounced it

 jldrgm1: nope

 umlaut-xx: that is a fundamentalist lie

 fritillary20: red--then you know he never did either one of those things

hedb: first time i ever seen hogwash spelt ...aint this entertaining?

 umlaut-xx: red, dont im me

 pdeyes: have you ever seen a hogwash?

 blurofserenity: When Darwin left on the Beagle, he wasn't looking for proof of natural selection... we was looking for proof the Biblical Flood in Genesis!

 jldrgm1: ive seen a car wash

 hedb: nope never washed a hug

 hedb: hog

 fritillary20: pd--have washed a hog--lol

 coolmomatherbest: can you walk on water?

 pdeyes: hog, not hug

 jldrgm1: ive seen a guitar stand, ive seen a rubber band, i seen a needle that winked its eye

 pdeyes: yes

 eternumpace: there should my Interpretation of Myth 101 for Dummies for fundamentalist christians because any educated person knows that a literal interpretation of biblical text is quite necessarily a perversion of the holy spirit

 hedb: hug hog today

 lenasa19: I have a Theory " If everyone planted a white rose bush, the world would be a much prittier place to be."

 jldrgm1: but i think i seen just about everything, when i seen a elephant fly

 coolmomatherbest: can you feed thousands with just  two fishes and bread?

 hedb: this lag is driveing me batty

 pdeyes: I've seen pigs fly

coolmomatherbest: can you raise someone from the dead?

 blurofserenity: yeah, but where do we find 6 billion rose bushes to plant, lenesa?

 coolmomatherbest: can you wipe the eyes of the blind and let them see?

 lenasa19: we can always clone them lol.

 fritillary20: cool--nobody has ever been raised from the dead

 jen-jd: elephants are the only animal that cant jump

 blurofserenity: hmm.. if we're gonna clone plants, how about ones you can EAT?  all those hungry ppl, you know..

 blurofserenity: not that it's much faster, since you still have to grow them

 pdeyes: walking on water is easy, just walk on the street after rain... walking on deep water is harder

 lenasa19: We already do that.

 eternumpace: saying that the Gospel writers were reporting

FACTS like CNN or the Harvard school of History is like saying that a death row innamet with 24 hours to go is asking for a light bulb to put in his mouth

 lenasa19: Is much faster two weeks.

 blurofserenity: yeah, that's what growing from a cutting is, essentially... cloning the plant

 redeemed15: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

 hedb: lunch time ...........

 blurofserenity: lol.. even with cloning, you still have to grow the organism from a seed, so it's not really any faster... the only speed increase is that you can get as many started growing as fast as you want

 redeemed15: The fool hath said in his heart there is no God

 eternumpace: however, as any literature student can tell you, there is truth in fiction

blurofserenity: And then wise man said it out loud, red

 pdeyes: have you ever seen a pin prick jl?

 coolmomatherbest: where do the organisms come from?

 fritillary20: Blur--how did you get so smart at such a young age--well done

 jldrgm1: lol

 lenasa19: Unless you use a method called genectic implantation.

 fritillary20: and block it with bee venom

 xx_sigh_xx: i heard on tv of 30,000 kids a day dying of starvation that would be 210,000 a week and 840,000 a month

 jldrgm1: hi jen

 xx_sigh_xx: does it seem they r cheating on the statistics?

 eternumpace: you where people don't talk about God? answer: in heaven ;)

 coolmomatherbest: where is the beginning of all things?

 fritillary20: sugh--the lord works in mysterious ways

 xx_sigh_xx: or did i multiply wrong?

 fritillary20: sigh

 jen-jd: hi jl

 pdeyes: but I have always wondered about sun block jl..... I mean, how would you get the stuff on the sun anyway?

 jldrgm1: you would go there at night

 coolmomatherbest: where was the first cell formed?

 fritillary20: pd--you use shades

 eternumpace: in a prison

 luke-m-styles: lol

 fritillary20: cool--all over probably

 coolmomatherbest: lol etern

blurofserenity: but the sun doesn't go out at night, it just goes down behind the horizon and gets carried by faeries under the earth to the other side so it can rise in the east again

 xx_sigh_xx: actually the word cell was coined by a monk

 jldrgm1: did anybody read my joke? no one asked the answer

 fritillary20: lol

 coolmomatherbest: human cell?

 luke-m-styles: cool sigh

 pdeyes: poor faeries

 xx_sigh_xx: it reminded him of the small blocks each monk was alotted to live in

 eternumpace: wow. blur, you've done yer homework i see

 blurofserenity: yup

 fritillary20: cool--human by definition?

 fritillary20: hard to beat blur

pdeyes: hey blur.... if one of the faeries rubbed the sun, could you define that as sunstroke?

 coolmomatherbest: how did humanity begin?

 eternumpace: at a toga party

 xx_sigh_xx: 10.3 u got a bitch 2 much for me so pardon me if i dont want to im

 blurofserenity: lol

 fritillary20: cool--oh is that what you are asking

 xx_sigh_xx: i dont feel like bein cracked in half 2day

 xx_sigh_xx: bit even

 blurofserenity: depends what you mean by humanity

 lenasa19: cool Better question may be why did humanity die?

 xx_sigh_xx: i meant to ad im not bein a bitch about it

 jldrgm1: lol

xx_sigh_xx: i just type 2 fast

 fritillary20: cool--probably some combination of the primortal ooze

 coolmomatherbest: let's be fair,,,,you don't like the christian answers,,,,but can't not answer these simple questions?

 eternumpace: humanity is a conspiricacy to make us pay taxes. we are really aliens from Ork. don't you watch tv?

 xx_sigh_xx: in my rejection of your um abnormal apendage

 xx_sigh_xx: go away

 xx_sigh_xx: sick man

 coolmomatherbest: meant can't

 fritillary20: cool--number one its not a simple question--simple questions are answered by simple answers like the supernatural did it

 blurofserenity: I think that evolution does a good job of explain those kinds of questions... The Christian answers don't really

answer anything... they're basically only saying "'cause God sez so", which isn't much of an explanation if you ask me

 eternumpace: i think there is a case to be made for the subconscious being God

 jldrgm1: blur, isnt it more reasonable to believe in a creator than something out of nothing

 coolmomatherbest: let's say we do evolve,,,,,where is the beginning?

 fritillary20: jl--nope

 blurofserenity: Jld, but where did that creator come from?

 jldrgm1: lets say the big bang started everything

 eternumpace: as christ said, "

 blurofserenity: How is any more reasonable to believe in a God who comes from nothing than to believe in a Universe that comes from nothing?

 fritillary20: cool--statred somewhere about 4.5 billion yrs ago

eternumpace: as christ said, "i am knocking"......creator is Consciousness, within YOU

 jldrgm1: ok, so when you hear a big bang, dont you look to see what CAUSED it

 blurofserenity: But what caused God, jld?

 coolmomatherbest: let's say God is the Big Bang!

 jldrgm1: we are limited

 jldrgm1: we dont know

 lenasa19: How about the basic law of physics, that states all energy expended ( life force) last for eternity in constant diminishing strength,  ( maybe the Black holes are a collection point, THEORY, lol )

 bacchus90: goedemiddag

 blurofserenity: Why can we not say then that we don't know what caused the

universe, rather than inventing a God?

 eternumpace: lenasa, can i smoke what yer smokin?

 bacchus90: lenu huggggggggggggggggg

 jldrgm1: big bang is a feeble attempt to define creation within our own underastanding

 bacchus90: coolmom hugggggggggggggggg

 coolmomatherbest: but the universe came from God the creator,,,,,not from nothing

 eternumpace: not really, jl

 fritillary20: jl--why--if your god has always been then you understand the concept of always been so perhaps the natural laws have always been

 coolmomatherbest: God the Alpha and the Omega

 eternumpace: modern physics has laid all the grounwork for a something from nothing paradigm

blurofserenity: the big bang doesn't explain the origin of the universe, it explains the origin of the current physical form of the universe

 coolmomatherbest: always was and always will be

 pdeyes: my question is, what exploded?

 jldrgm1: If we were only 2 dimensional , could we explain to other 2 dimensional creatures a third dimension?

 blurofserenity: cool, why can you say that about God, but not about the universe?

 lenasa19: Basic law of physic not mordon in orgin lol.

 coolmomatherbest: hi bacch

 jldrgm1: if you were only in the X-Y plane, you couldnt grasp Z, no matter how hard you tried

 fritillary20: pd--singularity

 blurofserenity: jld, we are 3-dimensional, and some of us do pretty well at trying

to explain higher dimensions, not many though.. and you're right, we can't picture it

 pdeyes: what singularity?

 bacchus90: 4 dimensional? time?

 blurofserenity: In that case jld, why not admit that we don't have the answers, rather than saying "God must have done it"?

 pdeyes: science has already that all matter, and perhaps time as well, originated with the big bang

 01harry: somebody spank me

 pdeyes: proved

 fritillary20: pd--if you beleive the big bang then the singularity was the so called point

 coolmomatherbest: why does the Bible exists?

 lete88: what banged. who lit the match??

 blurofserenity: because it was written

 coolmomatherbest: by?

fritillary20: pd --time and space for this universe--probably others

 jldrgm1: we dont have the answers, God said be still and know that I am God

 pdeyes: but if all matter, and time, came from the big bang, what exploded?

 lenasa19: Read Black Hole Theories. lololol

 lete88: who made the stuff that banged

 jldrgm1: thats faith

 blurofserenity: and where did the person holding the match come from, lete?

 blurofserenity: by people, cool

 lete88: lol. blur

 coolmomatherbest: what ppl?

 bacchus90: indeed, by people. but its the best book there is?

 lete88: if you can tell me the beginning and ending of a circle, i will tell you

 blurofserenity: Various authors, passing down stories and making up some of their own

 jldrgm1: time is created by God, God is outside of time. we have time to define our mortal linear lines

 redeemed15: well according to sitchin, it was a meteor that slammed into the planet titon

 jldrgm1: lives

 lenasa19: A Implosion of matter on one dimension is a explosion of great magnitude in anothe dimension, point of referance is determination.

 fritillary20: pd--all the matter and energy of this universe in a single point

 redeemed15:  and it split into

 blurofserenity: lete, why can't we have the universe in such a circle then, why

do we need God to explain it?

 eternumpace: good point: the gradual appropriation of mythical authority of science (from marxist cultural pseudo-scientific authoritarian regimes of superstition ie organized religion ) is commiserate with the revolution of the body-image popularly held by all advanced primitive societies. alas, we "return to where we started and discover it again for the first time" <t.s. eliot>

 coolmomatherbest: and were they fictional or non-fictional?

 blurofserenity: A little of both, cool

 blurofserenity: a lot of parables

 blurofserenity: a lot of history

 bacchus90: yes blur

 redeemed15: and the lower half is earth

 blurofserenity: but history neccessarily gets muddled

lete88: it takes intelligence . blur .  that is why i believe in god

 blurofserenity: and embellished

 lenasa19: " Fools spear words only they understand" T.S Elliot

 coolmomatherbest: so do u think that God is fictional?

 bacchus90: all archaeologists have to know bible, no matter what, if anything, they believe

 redeemed15: the bible is being proved accurate historically everyday

 fritillary20: lete--takes little intelligence to beleive in god--just one that looks for easy answers

 blurofserenity: I think that the Christian idea of God is fictional, yes.

 eternumpace: "look under this red rock", ts. eliot

 bacchus90: however it is clearly not entirely literal

 redeemed15: easy?

 fritillary20: red--nothing supernatural

fritillary20: red--nothing supernatural is bieng proved

 coolmomatherbest: then what is the non-fictional

 lete88: the fool has said in his heart. there is no god

 blurofserenity: I don't deny that there might be some kind of creative force behind the Universe -- that's entirely possible.  But the Christian idea of what God is like is not something that I believe in

 redeemed15: how is believing in God easy

 redeemed15: oh yes it is frit

 blurofserenity: cool, there's plenty of references in the Bible to actual places and peoples

 redeemed15: take the walls of jericho

 eternumpace: the eastern faiths/philosphies are much more sophistiocated than christian philosophy in many ways

 redeemed15: they proved that sound can bring down walls of stones

 coolmomatherbest: but does it not all refer back to God?

fritillary20: lete--a self definition--therefor meanuless

 lete88: we shall see

 blurofserenity: Of course, that's what the people writing it believed, so that's how they wrote it

 eternumpace: redeemed, thos things, (which may indeed hav happended) do not necessarily fall within the purview of strictuly christian doctrine. doyou understand?

 blurofserenity: just like Lao-Tzu's writings contains some facts, but it all comes back to the Tao lol

 coolmomatherbest: but how could ever book in the Bible be wrong? All refer to God

 itamster: hello everyone

 blurofserenity: the same way you believe every other religious book ever written could be wrong, coolmom

 coolmomatherbest: hi itam

 bacchus90: being wrong is not the same thing as being a mix of history, parables, stories

 fritillary20: cool--most religions have their book

 eternumpace: the power of the breath and hence, the tao, is unrivalled by any western panacea, blur

 lenasa19: ete, Your wrong. It is their doctrin. They believe in whats written.

 lenasa19: its called faith

 coolmomatherbest: true and most have many of the same types of stories

 blurofserenity: the quest for an explanation to creation is common to most religions

 eternumpace: no, lenasa. it is a mythopoeic fact of our cultural evolution

coolmomatherbest: but the Bible is still the best seller of all time,,,

 fritillary20: faith comes about through lack of evidence

 blurofserenity: coolmom, Britney Spears sells the most albums, but that doesn't mean she has the best music...

 lete88: faith built upon evidence

 cwmiller: Hi there lete!

 lenasa19: That is you opion maybe you should get a more etypoic view of things

 lete88: hi cw.

 coolmomatherbest: faith comes from not seeing but still believing

 fritillary20: so was payten place --did that make it correct

 cwmiller: How have you been lete?

 lete88: up and down. cw, lol

 eternumpace: faith is simply a theory of penultimate rightness,

built on reason and feeling in harmony

 lete88: my age is showing

 cwmiller: LOL as we all are prone to be I suppose

 fritillary20: lete--don't need faith if you have evidence

 lete88: yep

 lenasa19: ete you double talk very well. but words clash in statement

 bacchus90: faith is just accepting without demanding proof

 lete88: i have both. frit

 cwmiller: I see the struggle in here continues....

 fritillary20: lete--don't need faith if you have evidence

 lete88: yes, always will until jesus comes

 cwmiller: Indeed so lete

 blurofserenity: coolmom, i don't see what popularity has to do with quality

blurofserenity: or truth

 fritillary20: lete--beleive you have faith but no evidence

 cwmiller: .....ah the moment when He steps upon the Mt of Olives!

 lete88: i have faith that evidence proves to be on the right track

 coolmomatherbest: exactly blur,,,,,but i don't think evolution holds up when you know the Bible and what God says to us

 blurofserenity: "a billion christians can't be wrong".. but a billion muslims can? and a billion buddhists too?  And like I said, plenty of stupid things are very popular... just look at pop music

 fritillary20: lete --what evidence?

 lete88: yep. cw.  wont be long until that happens, maybe even in my life time

 redeemed15: you know what, stay in darkness

 lete88: history. archaeology and prophecy

 redeemed15: im sick of  arguing about it

 lenasa19: bye everyone

 redeemed15: you dont believe in God  fine

 bacchus90: for uncounted centuries folk have said the end is near

 lete88: bye , lenasa

 eternumpace: lenasa faith is the breath, faith is in the blood, and both are totem of a taboo rite of comsumption (sacrament) that syncopate all that is within with all this without, forestalling a vision which transcends both thusly, there is no rightn nor wrong, there is only the experience of Harmony of Body, or of "GOD". such is our faith as human beings. do you understand??

 cwmiller: Would be something wouldn't it lete to be present at His coming?

 redeemed15: just dont ttry and dissuade us

 coolmomatherbest: i don't think God looks at religion as much as He

looks at the heart and many will be on their knees Praising His name when  the end comes

 redeemed15: it wont work

 fritillary20: lete--none of those have ever shown evidence of the supernatural

 blurofserenity: lol.. there have been doomsayers for as long as there has been religion

 lenasa19: No I just dumb Girl i not understand anything have nice day.

 redeemed15: If we are wrong we have lost nothing

 eternumpace: i call it apocalypsanoia, blur

 lete88: sure would, cw.  this is that generation i believe

 redeemed15: but if your wrong you have lost it all

 cwmiller: There does appear to be a ripening of iniquity

lete88: sure does

 lete88: the falling away

 redeemed15: yes and love has waxed cold

 cwmiller: always learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth

 fritillary20: red--pasquals  not a choice

 redeemed15: ppl dont care about others anymore

 fritillary20: oops

 eternumpace: we do know that if the dinosaurs hadn't been Wiped Out, we humans aka mammals would not be here. hence our eschatological neuroses

 lete88: so true

 femininetouch2002: joined room..........

 xx_sigh_xx: does any1 know if jody is working

today or just dont come here so often anymore?

 jldrgm1: hi

 redeemed15: eternum, for your information

 coolmomatherbest: hi fem

 bacchus90: hiya feminine

 fritillary20: red--eople care about people more than ever

 eternumpace: yes, red??

 redeemed15: there is evidence in Texas that man and dinosuar were on the earth together

 redeemed15: no frit they dont

 redeemed15:  and cc is a perfect example of the hatred

 lete88: read the news.

 fritillary20: red--sure wouldn't want to live where you live then

 eternumpace: that could very well be true, red. so the tv shows

were right!!! aha. tv again

 redeemed15: what tv shows?

 bacchus90: if i ever meet a dinosaur, i hope its a little one

 jldrgm1: Caveman

 redeemed15: im done

 eternumpace: i don't remember the name. Flintstones??

 fritillary20: red--the texas thing was refuted even by the IRC

 redeemed15: whatever,

 cwmiller: I just feel like proclaiming the name of the Lord today.....let those who will hear, hear; let those who will see, see!

 redeemed15: every thing we say , is wrong

 bacchus90: a minisaurus will do

 coolmomatherbest: it is partly our fault if we allow our children watch the violence and never comment on the wrongness

blurofserenity: lol... ICR refuted it? holy shit.. must be some strong evidence to get those blockheads to agree to something

 jldrgm1: i know red, its like beating your head on a wall

 lete88: and those who wont.  they will accept the consequences

 redeemed15: im tired

 fritillary20: jl--you need to say something that makes sense

 eternumpace: i think imhhho that the essential tumult amongst "believers" and "non-believers" is essentially that we must arrive at conclusions with limited and incomplete information. such is life

 redeemed15: we got here somehow

 redeemed15: and there is NO way it was by chance

 eternumpace: "god does not play dice with the universe" albert einstein

 lete88: we have all we need for the plan of salvation.

 cwmiller: There does not appear to be much sharing of testimonies and fellowship and proclaiming Christ in here these days....

 xx_sigh_xx: :P

 fritillary20: red--your opinion and you are allowed that--just allow others thiers

 jldrgm1: i have been, you need to think b4 replying to everything with a knee jerk counter response

 eternumpace: sigh. aren't you pretty

 xx_sigh_xx: *stuffin face with doughnuts* yea

 jldrgm1: mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 jldrgm1: gimme one

 blurofserenity: Tell you what... I am prepared to accept the consequence.  If God has any problems with me being an agnostic darwinist lesbian, I wish he'd send

me a note though.  However, if God has a beef with any of that he's welcome to take it up with me.  In any case, I gotta go now, or I'll be late for physics class

 bacchus90: what there is, cw, is many more aggressive christians these days.  many who do not know the gentle jesus

 cwmiller: ....we can be in CC but not of CC LOL

 xx_sigh_xx: powdered sugar or plain?

 fritillary20: jl--well please try--because your replys haven't been the most brilliant either

 eternumpace: bye, blur. catch you on the flips side

 bacchus90: bye blur huggggggggggg

 jldrgm1: blur, no at least i know where your coming from

 jldrgm1: now

 eternumpace: i will convert these xian heathens back to reality, back to life...back to reality....o/`

 jldrgm1: physics class huh? sheesh

cwmiller: bac Christlike love is easily driven away by contention vanity and so many ills we are prone to I suppose

 fritillary20: so long blur

 lete88: 2Cor. 4:3 If the Good News we preach is veiled from anyone, it is a sign that they are perishing. Satan, the god of this evil world has blinded the minds of those who dont believe,
so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shinning upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ

 pdeyes: ciao blur

 eternumpace: wrong, lete

 bacchus90: when i was young even the fundies were gentle

 eternumpace: werong wrong wrong

 eternumpace: oh. and wrong

 eternumpace: "all humans are created equal"

 lete88: Mark 8:36-37 For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

 fritillary20: <blinded by satan--gads

 eternumpace: everyone has equal potential to love and be loved, regardless of race, class or faith

 velvt.: hi all

 eternumpace: hi, vel!!

 lete88: so your saying the bible is wrong. well, thats your opinion. lol

 eternumpace: *hugs

 bacchus90: hiya velvt hugggggggggggg

 fritillary20: hello velvt

 

 

eternumpace: come to cc...you are feeling VERy sleepy...come to cc....:--)

velvt.: lol

velvt.: are they being tolerable?

eternumpace: is alright.

eternumpace: so what's the news from your neck of the woods??

velvt.: i'm a mess, still

velvt.: so tired

velvt.: and drugged... took a sleeping pill last night

eternumpace: that really sux

eternumpace: i would say something profund but i used up all my spunk in cc

eternumpace: now I'm tired too

velvt.: lol

eternumpace: at least that sleuth character has the good sense to stay away. that man had a glitch

velvt.: where's he been, anyway?

velvt.: he also uses the name simple

velvt.: simp.le or something like that

eternumpace: ya. i know. but as simple he is simply a lot quieter

eternumpace: is alter ego is like well medicated or something

eternumpace: and i think "sleuth" knew that a lot of folks were on to his game

velvt.: you think he cares?

eternumpace: yep

eternumpace: i think he has a fragile ego

eternumpace: or did

eternumpace: ingenuine people usually do

velvt.: he is the only person in i don't know how long that made me battle against feeling hate

eternumpace: well he is just a very immature older man delusions of grandeur

velvt.: filled with fear and a feeling of powerlessness

eternumpace: wot really surprised me though was how many women rolled over for him

eternumpace: that was the scariest part

eternumpace: belligerent ol fart that he was lol

velvt.: yep

velvt.: and he's about 10 yrs younger than me, btw

eternumpace: oh. didn't know that. i pictured him as like 60 or sometin

velvt.: mid 40s

velvt.: tries to pretend he's younger, though

eternumpace: aaaah

eternumpace: wot a weirdo lol

eternumpace: remember that guy sag used to argue with all the time. wot was his name?

velvt.: albert?

eternumpace: no. but albert was cool i admit. no. lemme think. i have seen him in here now and then too

velvt.: packyderm?

eternumpace: packy!

eternumpace: ya

eternumpace: sag HATED him lol

velvt.: i detest him, too

velvt.: he and sleuth... *shudder*

eternumpace: i've never taken him too seriously

eternumpace: i must admit though. sleuth did make me shudder now and then

eternumpace: it takes a lot to make me go, "wtf?"

velvt.: i need to go

eternumpace: okies. hope you go west looking for a sunrise

eternumpace: hey. i like that

velvt.: nice seeing you

eternumpace: you too. always good to see you, vel

eternumpace: hugssss*

velvt.: smooches

eternumpace: blushes

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cwmiller: That may make the efforts of true disciples of Christ more difficult but still so necessary

 coolmomatherbest: hi velv

 eternumpace: no, lete, that is over 100,000 years of our cultural evolution. go to a library!

 eternumpace: and the bible is right, btw

 eternumpace: your interpretation is wrong, however

 velvt.: i come to bring peace and calm through osmosis

 lete88: that was a direct quote from the bible

 bacchus90: most neccesary cw. the situation of modern christianity is dire. they have forgotten jesus

 fritillary20: velvt--lol--good luck

 velvt.: ty frit

 cwmiller: I hear you bacchus...

 bacchus90: all they know about him is the whips and temple

 lete88: it was all bible.  not my interpretation. lol

 pdeyes: hi velvt

 bacchus90: they love that, a violent bit

 velvt.: long time, pd

 eternumpace: lete. you are not talking to a fool my fine feathered friend

 jldrgm1: well, ill bbl people,

 lete88: Psa. 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the council of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

 bacchus90: cheers jld

 jldrgm1: enjoy your afternoon  , ty

 coolmomatherbest: i just don't understand how some can believe

somethings about God and not believe all things are from God

 fritillary20: lete--your bible was interpeted by another human or you wouldn't be reading it

 bacchus90: 2 timothy, lete, urges christians to be "gentle to all men"

 velvt.: i agree completely, coolmom!

 lete88: 2Cor. 4:3 If the Good News we preach is veiled from anyone, it is a sign that they are perishing. Satan, the god of this evil world has blinded the minds of those who dont believe,
so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shinning upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ

 coolmomatherbest: bye jld

 bacchus90: and "not to strive"

 eternumpace: lete is taking a rather immature reading of the biblical text, which must be read in the spirit of christ's love, not

as some cheap rhetorical parlor trick for points in a chat room

 bacchus90: to all men. not just to believers. and the worst culprits of treating bible as a buffet are the christians

 fritillary20: preacher--no--thats christianism--they can choose from 34000 sects--amazing

 eternumpace: lete knows what i am talking about :-)

 xx_sigh_xx: i think most just choose jesus :)

 xx_sigh_xx: not the sect

 eternumpace: so true, sigh

 lete88: Col. 2:8 Don't let anyone lead you astray with empty philosophy and high sounding nonsense that comes from human thinking and from evil powers of this world, and not from Christ.

 fritillary20: sigh--but jesus the son  or jesus the god?

 eternumpace: on, poor lete. i will pray for you

velvt.: i think the opposite, sigh... most get too hung up in sectarianism and dogma to pay much attention to jesus

 xx_sigh_xx: how can u say that preacher u claim a denomination dont u?

 xx_sigh_xx: why do u do that?why not just claim jesus?

 bacchus90: human thinking is bad?? better not to think??

 bacchus90: what you wanna be, a vegetable for christ?

 xx_sigh_xx: and what r u preacher?

 eternumpace: lol bacchus

 xx_sigh_xx: hi vlad :)

 fritillary20: bacchus--you know the bible says not to think

 coolmomatherbest: hi vlad

 bacchus90: if you believe god gave you your brain, it is your duty to think as a sacred trust

 lete88: 1 Tim. 6:15-16 --the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, who alone can never die, who lives in light so terrible that no

human can approch Him, no mere man has ever seen Him or ever will.

 vladislaw_: good afternoon sigh ... nice to see you ...

 eternumpace: wrong again, lete

 coolmomatherbest: Jesus said all we need is to believe

 xx_sigh_xx: good 2 see u2

 cwmiller: coolmom...it's been a while since I have been in here...hello and hope you are well

 bacchus90: except he was seen

 eternumpace: lete the wrong is going to conquer us

 xx_sigh_xx: how r u feeling?

 vladislaw_: good afternoon atherbest

 coolmomatherbest: very well cw and ty for asking

 velvt.: hi vlad

 coolmomatherbest: how have u been?

 vladislaw_: good afternoon velvt ...

 luke-m-styles: Hey Preacher

 fritillary20: those who wrote the bible knew that it was illogical so they wrote the discliamer not to look at it logicaly

 eternumpace: i came to you lete but you did not know me

 luke-m-styles: how are you>

 luke-m-styles: ?

 lete88: 1 John 4:1 Dearly loved friends, don't always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a from God; test it first to see if it really is. For there are many false teachers around.

 bacchus90: spliff break mmmmmmmmm

cwmiller: busy...bus...busy....3 kids in college...etc etc LOL but very well coolmom

 coolmomatherbest: there are many good ppl who believe and do not have a denomination

 luke-m-styles: how come?

 velvt.: AMEN lete!

 eternumpace: amen lete!

 xx_sigh_xx: like me cool lol

 luke-m-styles: ok

 velvt.: lol @ our amen chorus

 xx_sigh_xx: sighs

 coolmomatherbest: i have one beginning college next fall

 luke-m-styles: what with?

 bacchus90: denominations are entirely of man, not in any way sacred

eternumpace: lete is preaching to the choir me thinks

 fritillary20: cool--that personal relationship denomination--still a set of rites

 coolmomatherbest: yes sigh like you and velv and several others

 luke-m-styles: lol

 lete88: 1 John 2:23 For a person who doesn't believe in Christ, God's Son, can't have God the Father either, but he who has Christ, God's Son, has God the Father also.

 eternumpace: lete is wanking now

 velvt.: coolmom, thank you... you do know i'm not christian, right? i just like jesus and his teachings :)

 lete88: 2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of His coming.

luke-m-styles: thas good preacher

 fritillary20: velvt--have you become a christian?

 xx_sigh_xx: i think some of the older generation find it hard to believe one can believe without a denomination

 luke-m-styles: lol

 bacchus90: yes velvt. jesus is an example to all

 eternumpace: so true, sigh

 luke-m-styles: I agree

 velvt.: nope frit... already put my time in this lifetime

 xx_sigh_xx: they will say we r still "lost" or "unsaved" or whatever

 luke-m-styles: I meant recently though

 xx_sigh_xx: like rambler does lol

 cwmiller: i have one transferring to school in Utah and another starting college in Utah this fall....joy!

fritillary20: velvt--wondered there for a momment

 eternumpace: there is a lot of legalism out there ,sigh, froma bygone era where sexuality was a non sequitur

 cwmiller: that will be a fun trip in August!

 lete88: Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 fritillary20: lete--a great disclaimer don't you think?

 pdeyes: sigh, who says that you are lost or unsaved?

 xx_sigh_xx: rambler lol

 eternumpace: lete is his own worst enemy lo

 velvt.: frit, once one expands the horizon, it's just about impossible to shrink it again

 vladislaw_: I have never been lost a day in my life ... but I was awfully confused for three days once ...

eternumpace: how does elmer fudd laugh out loud?

 eternumpace: wow

 velvt.: lol vlad

 xx_sigh_xx: lol vlad

 eternumpace: 3 days,....maybe longer....eddie vedder

 lete88: Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted.

 velvt.: are we peaceful and calm yet? did my osmosis thing work?

 bacchus90: zzzzzzzzzzzz yes

 eternumpace: "and the light shone in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not"

 luke-m-styles: yep

 luke-m-styles: ok

xx_sigh_xx: im at peace so long as i have coffee :P~

 bacchus90: take it easy. noone attacking christians

 eternumpace: skiddy marink a dinky doo, skida marinky do...i ... love....you

 cwmiller: with the iggy button in force....the room has gotten so much calmer! LOL

 bacchus90: god bless iggy

 cwmiller: Indeed

 velvt.: who did you ignore, cw?

 eternumpace: god bless this mess

 luke-m-styles: mess?

 bacchus90: i got about 50 on iggy

 cwmiller: hmmmm...I don't iggy and tell hehe

 eternumpace: that reminds me. i should go clear out all my iggies

lete88: 1 Cor. 1:19 For God says, I will destroy all human plans of salvation no matter how wise they seem to be, and ignore the best ideas of men, even the most brilliant of them.

 velvt.: well, i guess it wasn't me anyway LOL

 eternumpace: cw?

 bacchus90: if they are rude enough to iggy i sometimes iggy then still tell the wankers off

 lete88: 1 Cor 1:20 So what about these wise men, these scholars, these brilliant debaters of this world's great affairs? God has made them look foolish and their wisdom to be nonsense.

 eternumpace: cw, can you hear me. testing testing

 cwmiller: Oh la la

 lete88: 21. For God in His wisdom saw to it that the world would never find God through human brilliance, and then He stepped in

and saved all those who believed his message.

 eternumpace: throws a spitball at cw

 velvt.: lete, are you going to stop quoting  and chat?

 eternumpace: lete needs a blowjob and a cup a coffee j/k

 bacchus90: if not for the efforts of wise men there would be no civilisation as we know it

 lete88: im done for a while , lol

 velvt.: ty

 bacchus90: mm. sit mate. jeeeeeeeeeeeez

 lete88: what would you like to know?  lol

 xx_sigh_xx: *looks up* :)

 cwmiller: I do consider ignore a last resort.....but when the words/actions of one become injurious to my personal spirit......I do do it! LOL

 velvt.: hmmm... nothing that i think i'll find an answer for here

xx_sigh_xx: what r u doin up there vlad u r quiet

 velvt.: i just lose patience with the lack of human interaction involved with endless quotes

 vladislaw_: watching the news

 lete88: lol,  hmmmm. depends

 eternumpace: lete, you an old feller?

 xx_sigh_xx: any good news?

 lete88: the oldest

 eternumpace: i don't like to ditz my elders

 vladislaw_: no news is good news

 cwmiller: Hmmmmm "Good news"

 lete88: lol

 cwmiller: The good news is that:

 lete88: will be 90 in august

bacchus90: one thing though. lete does make the effort to type, not just cut n paste great swathes of..

 eternumpace: bows and scrapes

 lete88: thanks. bacc

 velvt.: lete is usually cool, bacchus  i agree

 lete88: awwww.

 bacchus90: i love the old bastid

 xx_sigh_xx: i watched on the news sum lady from my city tried 2 kill her kids

 cwmiller: lol

 eternumpace: old people and children are the smartest people on the whole world

 vladislaw_: nice lady ...

 velvt.: sometimes i'm tempted to come in here and paste a bunch of great stuff, but i don't really think that's too effective

 coolmomatherbest: lete is very cool and i haven't seen lete

condemn,,,that is a plus

 xx_sigh_xx: she had been in a mental facility n she told them when she got out she was gonna kill her kids

 xx_sigh_xx: they even documented it

 xx_sigh_xx: n let her out anyhow

 eternumpace: sigh. are you trying to cheer us up?

 bacchus90: a bit fundie. but what the hell

 cwmiller: nefarious bureaucrats

 xx_sigh_xx: and she was out 2 weeks n sure enuf she slashed all her kids throats

 coolmomatherbest: who sigh?

 eternumpace: hallmark doesn't cover that kindof day

 xx_sigh_xx: n then they said oh well we visited the family at home once n no1 seemed to be in any danger

 bacchus90: i was a child fundie. but we weren't aggressive

violent

 lete88: yep.  if your going to do any thing do it with your whole heart.  i am a fundy. lol

 xx_sigh_xx: sum lady in my icty cool

 xx_sigh_xx: city

 coolmomatherbest: lol lete

 eternumpace: there is a bay of fundy in my country

 luke-m-styles: And we wonder why we sin look at these avs for a start lol

 coolmomatherbest: sad sigh really sigh

 bacchus90: you aint violent either lete. sometimes you speak violent but you aint, mate

 eternumpace: luke, are you getting tempted to sin?

 luke-m-styles: lol

 luke-m-styles: I mean

 lete88: tell me, why is there 20 foot tides in the bay of fundy and only 2 feet here in florida. ????

 xx_sigh_xx: i hope i never lose my mind enuf 2 want to hurt my children

luke-m-styles: These are temptations

 eternumpace: because lete, everything goes a bit slower in the retirement state

 xx_sigh_xx: brb goes in search of coffee

 lete88: lol,  more than that , lol

 xx_sigh_xx: maybe another doughnut lol

 coolmomatherbest: they were talking about the child molesters last night that were wearing the parole bracelets and still doing offenses and being left on the streets doing what they want

 eternumpace: vel, you still there?

 velvt.: i think so

 cwmiller: I will bid all adieu...God bless you and have a great day

 bacchus90: if i ever come over, we'll go out and get pie eyed, lete

 velvt.: this blinking ad is messing me up, though

coolmomatherbest: because they didn't want ppl to think the system didn;t work

 eternumpace: covers his ears and closes his eyes and thinks about scooby snacks

 lete88: bye , cw, gwg

 bacchus90: cheers cw. god bless

 coolmomatherbest: bye cw

 coolmomatherbest: nice to see u again

 eternumpace: i can't say goodbye to dear cw because i think i'm on iggy

 velvt.: this is the only ad in here i've found that gets through my adblocker

 bacchus90: eso!!!

 coolmomatherbest: i have to go and finish cleaning

 bacchus90: hiya jen

lete88: i extend the screen to cover the adds

 coolmomatherbest: see all later

 bacchus90: bye coolmom huggggggggggggggggggg

 eternumpace: vel, i like that ad for grad finders, those b & w pics look like the manson family renunion

 esoeso7: bacchus !!!!

 coolmomatherbest: God Bless

 velvt.: i have to go and finish sleeping, soon

 this_hate: Right on ur haead

 coolmomatherbest: hugssssssssssssssssss

 lete88: bye , mom. gwg

 esoeso7: bye, cool

 esoeso7: :O)

esoeso7: hi, lete :O)

 lete88: hi eso

 esoeso7: baraka bashad, vel

 velvt.: they blink and jiggle and really mess up my brain, though

 esoeso7: hello. et al !!!

 velvt.: hi eso... blessings to you, too

 _rambler_1: are u an arab eso or is that jewish????

 esoeso7: :O) vel

 this_hate: Right on ur head

 velvt.: he is saying it as a courtesy to me, rambler

 esoeso7: vel, what tongue is that?

 this_hate: does that burn

 esoeso7: <nod> vel

 velvt.: i forget the name of it... related to arabic

esoeso7: k, thx :O)

 bacchus90: aramaic?

 esoeso7: sufi?

 velvt.: starts with a P, that's all i remember, if that

 esoeso7: dun matta

 this_hate: Right on ur head

 bacchus90: polish? hehehehehe

 esoeso7: thx, vel

 this_hate: Move motherfucker

 bacchus90: bye hate god bless you

 bacchus90: have a bag

 bacchus90: yea

 bacchus90: sad waste

 lete88: a drop out

bacchus90: dropping out is fine if you do it thoughtfully

 eternumpace: i want to watch the movie, "The Dark Crystal" again. that was a great theosophical flick

 velvt.: think of the marvels of computers today... and look at the use they are put to

 bacchus90: yo elect

 eternumpace: "any sufficiently adanced technology is indistinguishable from magic " isaac asimov

 velvt.: hey lectric

 bacchus90: iggy him elect

 velvt.: well, the ad has taken it's toll... my CNS is shot

 bacchus90: then put a bag on his head with iggy avatar

 eternumpace: vel, you are like those poor people that went into seizures at the sound of Mary Hart's voice from Entertainmen

tonight

 velvt.: yep

 bacchus90: vel is gorgeous imho

 velvt.: lol bacchus <hands glasses over>

 bacchus90: hugggggggggg

 velvt.: ty, dearie... smooches for you

 bacchus90: eats spectacles

 bacchus90: hiya paradiso

 paradisio1: greetings

 bacchus90: welcome

 on_fire: hello all

 bacchus90: hiya onfire

 on_fire: hi rambler, preacher

 velvt.: ltns, para

 vladislaw_: good afternoon paradisio ...

 on_fire: hi bacchus

 eternumpace: on fire. can you get that av to move?

 on_fire: not this one, but i am looking for an action one like this

 on_fire: hi elec

 _rambler_1: note:  avs are an abomination to a christain chat room    oh well.

 eternumpace: avs are an "abomination?

 on_fire: how's that rambler?

 _rambler_1: hi fire

 eternumpace: wot the heck?

 vladislaw_: no just those stupid animated ones

 on_fire: very cool,

 bacchus90: one may iggy an av without iggying the user? its an art form, only a few good?

 on_fire: true bacchus

velvt.: one of the things i miss most about VP is the fun with avatars... they just aren't too great to play with in this chat

 eternumpace: how so, vel?

 vladislaw_: play with?

 bacchus90: mm. the voice thingy was good too?

 _rambler_1: note:   3 elements of salavation( being born again in Jesus Christ)....1. Repentance  2. Faith  3. Regeneration....with these thre u can have a wholesome relationship with Jesus Christ....

 _rambler_1: three

 velvt.: oh, to change, decorate, paint the avs... use them to express things

 velvt.: i never did like voice

 luke-m-styles: what an annoying av lol

 bacchus90: i love listening to american accents

 eternumpace: "...and when the Memory passed form His life into

Hers, Hers into His, time and before made artistic avatars of us all..."

 luke-m-styles: ok

 eternumpace: i have a good cc avatar don't yall think?

 velvt.: don't know, pace... i have them all scrunched up to the top

 esoeso7: :O) hi, para

 bacchus90: yes eternum

 bacchus90: yo tcpl

 paradisio1: greetings esososo]

 on_fire: back......froze on me for a second there....

 eternumpace: there is a certain dialecticism to it and a certain creative tension

 bacchus90: hang your coat up and join the fray

 esoeso7: LI(

 tcpl_jest: g'day bacchus

 esoeso7: :O)

 eternumpace: relationship

 bacchus90: gday mate

 esoeso7: [oops]

 esoeso7:  

 esoeso7: carry on

 on_fire: iggy is cool

 bacchus90: iggy saves your sanity yea

 on_fire: lol,

 bacchus90: lets you choose who you let into your life

 esoeso7: ol lete getting a taste of whats to come, fire?

 velvt.: well, horizontal calls with increasing fervor... may you all walk in the peace

and joy of god... baraka bashad

 _rambler_1: Jesus loves u...and He sai I stand at the dorr and knock..whosoever hears my voice and opens the door i will come in and sup with Him and He with me.....that is an invitatation for us to come to Jesus with repentance and a sorry heart...He will gorgive us and justify us with His love and forgive us..

 bacchus90: then you have temporary iggy, and perma iggy

 esoeso7: baraka bashad, vel :O)

 luke-m-styles: Hey Preache what ya doin

 _rambler_1: forgive even

 bacchus90: wb elect

 bacchus90: you'll go squint

 luke-m-styles: lol

 esoeso7: one eye closed

 luke-m-styles: you got 3 eyes?

 esoeso7: 4

paradisio1: napolianic complex hate?

 eternumpace: i feel like a one eyed jack in a seafood store

 luke-m-styles: ll

 luke-m-styles: **lol

 esoeso7: seefood?

 eternumpace: don't ask lol

 tcpl_jest: I see no food..

 luke-m-styles: ok

 eternumpace: its from a 60's rock song

 esoeso7: ahhh

 bacchus90: no sustenance here

 _rambler_1: note:   a fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing their own opinion.....that is too bad if it is not truth because one may be searching for truth but may find the wrong  teaching......

 tcpl_jest: ah, the 60's... there were some really

unusual lines written in songs back then

 eternumpace: rambler, a wise man knows thay everybody is right in some way and seeks out how...

 eternumpace: yep, tcpl

 bacchus90: spliff break mmmmmmmm

 jasmine00: hiya all

 esoeso7: spliffy

 _rambler_1: there is only one truth others are false and not of the Lord for our salvation and eternal life with Jesus in the Kingdom of God....

 tcpl_jest: g'day jasmine

 eternumpace: hi, jasmine

 esoeso7: hi, jasmine

 bacchus90: hiya jasmine

 on_fire: hi jasmine

jasmine00: wow- thats the most response i've had all day

 eternumpace: death is false and life is true. true and false are opposites but life and deat are not ;-)

 esoeso7: :) jas

 on_fire:  ; )  jas

 eternumpace: jasmine, my sweet, come closer and fill my nostrils with the ambient boquet of your tender lovliness

 bacchus90: well said. i give up

 esoeso7: :O)

 esoeso7: sides of the same coin

 eternumpace: we all barking up the same tree

 esoeso7: :O)

 bacchus90: behold thou art fair my love, thou art fair; thou hast dove's eyes

 

 

jasmine00: well, dont take this wrong or anything--but if ur a guy thats was sweet, if ur a girl, i dont know what to say

eternumpace: haha. i'm a guy. wait....yep. i'm a guy

jasmine00: omg, thats funny

jasmine00: u live in NY?

eternumpace: nope. canada

jasmine00: ohhhh, sorry

eternumpace: u in NY?

jasmine00: was

eternumpace: where are you now?

jasmine00: iowa---no jokes, please

eternumpace: iowa. is that where the movie, Field of Dreams takes place?

jasmine00: yep

eternumpace: aaah. nice country

jasmine00: for sure

eternumpace: i live on the west coast

eternumpace: it is sunny today

jasmine00: here too

jasmine00: didnt mean to bother ya, but i just had to say that about what u said

eternumpace: sure. always happy to spread the compliments around

jasmine00: kewl

eternumpace: wot do you do in Iowa, jasmine?

jasmine00: i'm just going to school right now

eternumpace: wot do you study?

jasmine00: medical transcription

eternumpace: medical transcription. that sounds interesting. guess you have to learn a lot of medical lingo then

jasmine00: its really kewl and yes, LOTYS od med lingo

jasmine00: and u can c , i cant type

eternumpace: why can't you type. are you a cat?

jasmine00: haha

eternumpace: that would be cool

jasmine00: i'd be a rich cat

eternumpace: that's the magic word - rich

jasmine00: yep

jasmine00: well, think its lunch time

eternumpace: bon appetite!

jasmine00: talk to ya later

eternumpace: oky. :---)

jasmine00: bye for now

eternumpace: take care.

jasmine00: u 2

eternumpace: cool band. "its a beautiful day" where "the streets have no name"

jasmine00: sounds kewl

eternumpace: teehee

eternumpace: i'll c u later, jasmine

jasmine00: kewl

 

 

esoeso7: solomon

 tcpl_jest: I might be up the tree already, meowing

 bacchus90: thy breasts are like pomegranites

 on_fire: lol, tcpl

 esoeso7: not all, hate, just you

 eternumpace: you may be out of your tree as well

 on_fire: no eso, God oves even people like hat

 tcpl_jest: I've never fallen out of a tree but I've dreamed of doing it

 on_fire: heye too

 _rambler_1: death is very real as is life....and when life is gone where we go in death depends on our choice while  we yet have life....it of course is our choice what we want in death

 on_fire: hate also

 on_fire: sheesh

 tien_bau: Gooe evening roomies..

esoeso7: no one is in my tree, i mean i think i disagree

 bacchus90: tien mate! hiya!

 paradisio1: rambler shhhhh

 on_fire: did u write that urself, hate?

 tien_bau: Hi bacc..Lete..Jasmine. Vladis and Sigh and others

 bacchus90: rambler is nice and polite on iggy

 esoeso7: ah yes, you know its all right but i think i understand

 on_fire: hi tien

 vladislaw_: good afternoon bau .. hope the day finds you well

 esoeso7: hiya, tien

 esoeso7: hey, vlad

 tien_bau: vladis.. today has been unexpectingly fine.. full sun all day

 tien_bau: and hope it is fine at your place too

bacchus90: same in uk mate. blue sky warm sun

 tien_bau: Hi eso

 vladislaw_: good afternoon esoeso ..

 esoeso7: rambler is still struggling to achieve the ideal expressed in 2 tim 2:25

 esoeso7: :O) vlad

 vladislaw_: I am doing very well bau ... thank you for asking ...

 tien_bau: sounds good Bacc.. May can be so nice

 _rambler_1: BEWARE lest any man spoil u thru philosphy and vain deceit...after the TRADITIONS of man anfter the wisdom of the world and not after Christ.....there are many false teachers among us..so u are warned to test the testimoneys of man with the Word of God....

 bacchus90: yes. spring n summer are nice

 eternumpace: rambler, wots yer point?

 bacchus90: amsterdam in 3 weeks yayyyyyyyyyyyyy

 bacchus90: civilisation

paradisio1: rambler, do you even understand what the term philosophy is

 tcpl_jest: I sense a lack of age in someone..

 on_fire: lol,tcp....me too

 bacchus90: lete is oldest, then me. the rest are kids

 eternumpace: i resemble that remark!

 tien_bau: Bacc. I remember a few years back.. I was visiting a couple some 5 miles east of London at the Thames.. the sun just shined from a clear sky.. May month and we sailed all the days on the Thames.. that was one of my best short vacations

 tcpl_jest: I also sense a lack of completion in this program... seems the ignore function doesn't actually work, just a fun button to hit

 bacchus90: ah yes that short season so good tien

 tien_bau: Bacc.. YOu older than me ? 61 here ?

_rambler_1: dear friend..my point is to share the Word of God (the Good News of salvation )  with those who may want to hear...others may ignore or go about their business as if i wasnt here...smile

 luke-m-styles: Hey Is being cheeky a sin?

 bacchus90: dang. ive slipped to 3rd

 bacchus90: no luke, not done politely without malice

 luke-m-styles: ah ok

 on_fire: Hello vic

 luke-m-styles: How about swearing?

 victorynjesus: HELLO

 tien_bau: Luke you should not swear

 eternumpace: i'm confused. is there supposed to be some moral thrust to your argument, rambler, for such most certainly requires an appreciation for the subtleties of human whimsy and capacity

for restraint

 esoeso7: well, technically speaking,,,2 tim 2:24 and 25

 bacchus90: unless you are a christian fundie. in which case anything you enjoy may be sinful

 paradisio1: why do you jump on the typical evangelical/conservative protestant bangwagon of ignorance and toss around terms like philosophy as possessing negative conotations when you don't have the faintest clue of your own vocabulary?

 luke-m-styles: Well that doesnt answer my question

 victorynjesus: What was the question?

 esoeso7: that philosophy stuff is from satan?

 bacchus90: give us an example

 luke-m-styles: lol

eternumpace: using terms like philosophy in the pejorative sense are not known forms of rhetoric outside of the ARyan nation. somebody tell me i am wrong

 luke-m-styles: Is swearing a sin?

 bacchus90: only done with malice

 victorynjesus: using Father Gods name in that manner is

 luke-m-styles: ok

 bacchus90: sometimes swearing is in the eye of trhe beholder

 victorynjesus: BUT

 tien_bau: enternum.. I doubt we are many inside this room who take much care of what Rambler writes.. to me it is weired stuff

 bacchus90: a worse curse. is to shout "youre DOOOOOMED"

 esoeso7: yeah, eternum, those aryan nation guys know philosophy

 luke-m-styles: what if i drop sumthin on my foot? and i swar

luke-m-styles: ?

 victorynjesus: if one claims to be born again, then you can tell by the fruit they have

 esoeso7: youre already dead, bacchus

 esoeso7: hehe

 bacchus90: a simple "fuck" may be fine

 _rambler_1: Do u know that if u confess with ur mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and shall belive in ur heart that Gos has raised Jesus from the dead..you will be saved????Romans chapt 10 vs 9.....unless u believe which is ur choice. u will end up in hell....what u may think does not count...unless Jesus died in vain or the bible is trash...smile

 luke-m-styles: ok good

 luke-m-styles: lol

 luke-m-styles: Is shouting a sin?

 bacchus90: much worse, to say "my GOD doooms you"

 eternumpace: hey, wot ever blows yer hair back

rambler :--)

 esoeso7: mmm yes, luke

 victorynjesus: that would depend on why you are saying it, it you are mad, then angry can be a sin if you let it

 bacchus90: hurting others is what sin is

 tien_bau: LUke.. No not at all

 luke-m-styles: ok

 esoeso7: only if on more than 2 successive lines however

 luke-m-styles: so 2 ppl say yes and 1 say no im confused

 victorynjesus: are you looking to walk the edge or something? Why the questions on language?

 luke-m-styles: lol

 luke-m-styles: I jus want to know

 esoeso7: well, thats the nature of the beast, isnt it, luke?

tien_bau: Luke.. my opinion (only mine) to shout is not a sin. Period

 on_fire: good question vic

 victorynjesus: the best thing that you can do luke is to read the word of God and see what he says about the way one acts and talks in this life!

 luke-m-styles: ok

 luke-m-styles: I dont want opinion

 luke-m-styles:  want what the bvible says

 bacchus90: its a sin if it means arrogance, and it usually does

 eternumpace:  to sin is to be. hence the question, "to be or not to be?"

 victorynjesus: get your bible and read what is says

 bacchus90: arrogance will always hurt someone

 tien_bau: LUke when you ask all what you can get in return are

opinions

 luke-m-styles: i dont hav 1

 luke-m-styles: ok

 on_fire: eternum, did u really bring Shakespeare into Christianity?

 esoeso7: back

 eternumpace: lol. ya, fire

 bacchus90: the christians are right we are all sinners

 paradisio1: any commentary upon the bible is a matter of opinion

 bacchus90: yes

 on_fire: that is simply YOUR opinion

 eternumpace: WE ARE AT PLAY IN THE FIELDS OF THE LORD

 victorynjesus: James 3:10
    Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing

Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

 _rambler_1: Do u know??? that God so loved the world, that he gave HIS only BEGOTTEN(begat means God fathered Jesus) son that whosoever believes in Him  should NOT perish but, but have everlasting life...

 tien_bau: Luke you should go and borrow a bible and try to read it.. start with the new testament.. later you can buy one.. there you find what is truth regarding the serious questions about God Jesus and the holy spirit

 eternumpace: in a very real sense, speaking psychologically, we are all fathered by a morphogenetic field, and thereby, a father and a mother which do not exist in any accepted sense of the term

 paradisio1: it is not a matter of opinion fire, not mine nor anyone elses, rather, simple employment of definitional necessity

bacchus90: yea by reading well you can make own mind up

 on_fire: eternum, what religion do u proclaim?

 bacchus90: not trusting others opinions which are only opinions

 eternumpace: we are all fathered by the holy spirit

 eternumpace: on fire. although i like The Proclaimers very much, i have not been known to proclaim all that much :--)

 vladislaw_: good afternoon kiki ...

 tien_bau: Luke.. do read what Bacc wrote again.. read it yurself.. do not tust the people around you yoo much

 holimon: hi everyone peace and Joy be with you

 kiki27..: hi vlad

 on_fire: hello holi

 bacchus90: yo holi

 esoeso7: :O) hi, holimon

bacchus90: hiya kiki

 tien_bau: Hi kiki

 bacchus90: coffee brb

 kiki27..: hi bacc

 esoeso7: hey, kiki

 kiki27..: hi esoeso

 eternumpace: greetings and salutations

 holimon: Hi on_fire peace and good health be with you

 on_fire: paradiso, it is intersting and almost unnatural to project Christianity on Shakespeare

 holimon: hi bacchus Peace and Joy to you my Friend

 on_fire: ty, holi, and God's blessings to u as well

 holimon: Hi esoeso Peace and God's blessings be with you

 esoeso7: :O) ditto

 holimon: Hey brother Lete88 peace be with you

 on_fire: OH DARN!!!!

 holimon: thank you

 on_fire: hate is gone

 _rambler_1: there is power in the Word of God..it makes sinners fear and the devil tremble and rage.....if u want the power of God within u believe on HIS son and u shall receive it...

 eternumpace: its too bad there isn't a universal patois for chat rooms that means hello peace and warm greetings to all my friends and fellow chatters, something like Hihihihihihihihihihi

 holimon: Hi Brother rambler Peace and joy be with you

 on_fire: lol, eternum

 esoeso7: did the son come in his own name?

 on_fire: uh-oh.............brb

rambler_1: hi holiman may the Lord bless and keep u in His arms....

 holimon: Hi preacher Peace be with you

 holimon: Amen rambler

 esoeso7: whon was it the son proclaimed?

 esoeso7: who

 holimon: The Son proclaimed the Father God

 esoeso7: yes

 esoeso7: the son came in the fathers NAME

 holimon: But the HolySpirit proclaims Christ Jesus

 luke-m-styles: Is it a sin to talk dirty?

 eternumpace: ok, here's the lay of the land. there are certain physical laws which are without question. namely the law of gravity and thermodynamics and the constan speed of light . likewise it only

makes sense that there are similar laws operant upon the soul, or a transpersonal body of systemic mammalian need dispersed throughtout the logos, from vulgar myth, to heroic mythopoeics for which and from which we borrow, something akin to imagination, wonder and awe and the mysteries thereof. get my gist??

 _rambler_1: I an the Father are one...Jesus the Son of God was also God in the flesh....they were one and the same.....

 luke-m-styles: can you turn your font down?

 esoeso7: nm

 esoeso7: youre not going to get it

 eternumpace: turning font down

 luke-m-styles: Is talking dirty a sin?

 luke-m-styles: ok

 holimon: luke it is a sin to waste time with Idle words

tien_bau: Eternum.. you can set all text to the font you wish

 holimon: Where by no one is edified

 esoeso7: really

 jean_49: Praise the Lord everyone

 eternumpace: there we go. and further, Whitman says in leaves of grass that what is known is constituted by what is unknown...

 tien_bau: Luke. depends.. but some dirty talk = to sin

 esoeso7: hi, jean :O)

 bacchus90: jeanie!! hugggggggggg

 luke-m-styles: ah

 luke-m-styles: like what?

 jean_49: Holimon ,peace joy, love ,happiness to you and all

 eternumpace: like the Sun

 vladislaw_: good afternoon catherine .. nice to see you

 eternumpace: like light itself

 jean_49: Bacchus *hugsz*

rambler_1: the simple message of salvation is..faith by grace.....what is faith??? faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.....excess baggage un necessary....smile

 _xvix_: well hellllo vlad : ) you too!

 bacchus90: catherine huggggggggggggggggg

 _xvix_: hey bacchus!! : )

 tien_bau: Luke.. if you read the bible you will easily see a guideline for how your language should be..

 luke-m-styles: ok

 jean_49: hi tien

 tien_bau: Hi Jean :-)

 jasmine00: can anyone tell me how to get an av?

 jean_49: eso, how are you

 paradisio1: an interesting concept eternum, but i am not so certain you are at liberty to make the leap between defined 'laws of nature' towards the assumption that there must likewise be defined laws of the soul

 _xvix_: jasmin, go to freeavatars.com

esoeso7: pretty good, jean. how are you ?

 vladislaw_: goto an av site and save it to you gallery folder

 -jody-angel-: helloooo

 _xvix_: or ings avatars and gests

 esoeso7: hi, jody

 jean_49: good to hear eso

 luke-m-styles: www.freeavatars.com

 bacchus90: hiyas jody

 _xvix_: hi jodes : )

 -jody-angel-: Hiya!!

 jean_49: I'm doing great

 jean_49: ty

 eternumpace: faith is simply a theory of penultimate rightness, built on reason and feeling in harmony

 esoeso7: :O) jean

tien_bau: Jasmine.. an aV is a 102*106 sized gif file.. can be animated too if you hold the file size down to max 14.5 KB

 luke-m-styles: and wwwavatars.com

 jean_49: hi Jody

 esoeso7: excellent, jean

 _rambler_1: what is grace???  the love of god......my dear friends..if u let Jesus go by the wayside it is only u to blame...u are the master of ur own destiny....no one can save u except Jesus Christ...

 eternumpace: faith is the breath, faith is in the blood, and both are totem of a taboo rite of comsumption (sacrament) that syncopate all that is within with all this without, forestalling a vision which transcends both thusly, there is no rightn nor wrong, there is only the experience of Harmony of Body, or of "GOD". such is our faith as human beings. do you understand??

 -jody-angel-: hows the room doing today?

 luke-m-styles: turn ur  font down please

 vladislaw_: good afternoon jody .. how is your day going ..

 -jody-angel-: vlad..its all good..thanks

 holimon: Faith is our Title deed to the things we are waiting to be fulfilled, and the Proof of things invisible

 tien_bau: By Edit Identity you put on such a pic from your computer

 bacchus90: then, use the "avatars" menu at top of this page. just remember where you saved them to

 paradisio1: why is it that you continue to ask if one understands

 eternumpace: that works for me, holimon

 esoeso7: those who remain faithful to the end will deliver their souls....matt 24:13

 tien_bau: Luke.. give up.. People use so many fonts and be sure they will not suit you so better set them all to your standard.

 holimon: Hey sister Jean peace and Joy be with you

 esoeso7: <nod> tien

 holimon: Hi etenum peace be with you

 jean_49: hi Paradisio

 paradisio1: personal proof perhaps, certainly not

paradisio1: personal proof perhaps, certainly not universal proof

 ironangel_: yeehaw, how r we folks

 paradisio1: greetings jean

 eternumpace: Paridisio, i read yoru comment. what do you mean? that is, what is a soul to you?

 holimon: Where is Lete?

 paradisio1: i'm not sure eternum

 bacchus90: dunno

 tien_bau: Holi.. maybe gone for coffee ?

 paradisio1: it is open to debate

 eternumpace: what is Psyche?

 esoeso7: spirit

 holimon: I bet He is out back fishing

 -jody-angel-: getting tea..brb

 holimon: ok jody

 esoeso7: kk

 paradisio1: i would probably begin the discussion by attempting to determine

if the 'soul' is an actual entity or not

 tien_bau: maybe.. that is what might keep him young :-)

 jean_49: I wish i was there, Holimon right beside him with my fishing pole,,lol

 tien_bau: Me too as I love to go fishing

 holimon: LOL me too Jean

 bacchus90: not provable. can only be a matter of having faith you have a soul, or not

 eternumpace: i believe Psyche or Soul is a system of sentiments (or logos) organized isomorphicall throughout platos macrocosm, mesocosm(society) and microcosm(interior) so act to promulgate the creative spirit of eternity throught the triune of consciousness, knowing, thinking and doing

 jean_49: I love fishing too, tien

 ironangel_: or dying and finding out

 vladislaw_: you getta line I'll getta ah pole .. we'll go down to the fishin hole..

 ironangel_: lmao vlad

jean_49: yeah vlad

 holimon: I hope one day I make enough Money so we can have a CC fishing Trip for whoever wants to go. Plan fares included.lol

 eternumpace: hence, "body is the chief inlet of soul in our age" william blake

 esoeso7: what is spirit then?

 paradisio1: that is one perspective on the matter, and a fairly solid one i suspect

 ironangel_: same thing maybe

 jean_49: well, I will go half and half with you, holimon,,

 eternumpace: spirit is the ground of infinite potential that permeates (and IS) all thingness or being

 tien_bau: Jean.. I started to fisg when I was just 3 years old.. in a nice rather big river.. it was partly because we had to get something to eat but at that time already i found joy in going fishing

 tien_bau: It was in the Yalo River

jean_49: I did too, tien

 tien_bau: :-)

 esoeso7: soul = residence of the spirit post incarnation

 jean_49: man we've came a long ways

 luke-m-styles: Bye Everyone

 luke-m-styles: Bye Preacher

 bacchus90: cheers luke

 holimon: Thank you Jean, I'm going to start Praying

 esoeso7: aka spiritual body

 eternumpace: sure, eso

 jean_49: ok, good holimon

 vladislaw_: have a good day luke

 esoeso7: air body

 _rambler_1: what one believes has not one iota of bearing on what the written Word of God transcends to us..it is truth it is there for our benefit.and it is there

to show us the way to eternal life...like it or not....the wise will be confounded by the foolish....

 holimon: Thats Great tien_bau

 luke-m-styles: k thanx

 esoeso7: breath of life body

 sweetbreeze: hello everyone

 luke-m-styles: what?

 bacchus90: hiya sweetbreeze

 esoeso7: hi, sweet

 eternumpace: eso, have you ever read any Percival??

 tien_bau: Holimon.. it was back in 1944

 paradisio1: however, i suspect we might be missing something, is the soul the conglomoration of such things, much like the ingredients of a pie, when placed together they make up the pie, or is quite the opposite, that the soul is actually something else that drives all the ingredients and hold them together

esoeso7: no, eternum

 eternumpace: paradisio. good question, is the whole greater than the sum of its parts?

 holimon: The Soul or Mind is something we haven't explained yet nor do we understand it, and anyone who says they do are fooling themselves

 on_fire: i agree with u holi

 jean_49: I agree Holimon

 jean_49: it's pass our finding out

 tien_bau: olimon.. we can't find good definitions which is measuarble.. but I think most of us know what as well soul as Mind are

 paradisio1: it is an interesting conversation, yet i don't frequently find myself contemplating such things as i doubt that any answer discovered really has much practical efficacy

 eternumpace: paradisio, i believe the answer lies in what Percival called one of the greates falacies of our time, namely that we associate feeling with a bodily

sense and so miss the intelligence of Nietszches's Dionysian/Apollian dialect as set forth in The Rebirth of Tragedy

 _rambler_1: the soul is one of the mysterys of God..there are things that God has not revealed to us...if HE did HE said we could not stand it and it would kill us..that is why we look thru smoked glasses...

 on_fire: i agree with u rambler also

 jean_49: well, rambler some is still looking through very dark glasses

 eternumpace: the soul, as the gnostics believed, was a "twin ray" of both agentic and communcal properties, paradisio

 esoeso7: thought/mind gravity

 tien_bau: Jean :-)

 paradisio1: i don't see how anything can truly be disassociated with the senses etermnum

 eternumpace: and this, rhymes with quantum physics

 holimon: lol Jean

 eternumpace: paradisio, God's will is, no?

paradisio1: that begs the question

 jean_49: all I can say is Lord, what is it that you wants out of my life

 eternumpace: yes?

 holimon: True jean

 _rambler_1: can anyone grasp a soul  or can they grasp a mind..u cannot operate on either one..they are untouchable..God has told us it is our place to believe it....

 on_fire: i'm on board  with u jean

 jean_49: all the rest will fall into place

 paradisio1: if you so define it to be ahead of time, although that really doesn't help anything

 on_fire: agreed again rambler

 on_fire: All grace to God and all have a blessed and wonderful weekend.....

 eternumpace: the soul, then as an amalgamation or systemic amalgam of agentic (male) and communal (female) properties is much akin to the female biology or the aspect thereof and in this manner we can derive speific

theosophical import to specific areas of the human body, the digestive system for one, which is both agentic and communal metaphoricaly and literally

 holimon: true rambler

 tien_bau: Eternum.. please write it in plain language ?

 jean_49: I think many of us needs to spend time asking God what is it you want in my life and start telling and appreciating each other and loving one another and encouraging each other in the faith

 on_fire: rambler, keep hittin 'em with the word of God, whether thaey know or will admit it they learn from it

 eternumpace: tien-bau. "this is my body. eat"

 paradisio1: one could speculate such

 holimon: I don't think so eternum

 on_fire: God Bless yu all

 paradisio1: i'll brb, gotta put my kid down for his nap

 holimon: Its much more complicated than that

eternumpace: why not, holimon?

 sweetbreeze: During supplication and communion with The Lord Savior, He speaks to me, my spirit is feed and I am strengten to do his will

 jean_49: and our duty is to help someone else to come to realization that God Loves them and wants the best for them

 jean_49: later fire

 jean_49: God bless you

 tien_bau: Jean.. exactly that is the åpoinbt by being a christian.. the more closde you get to jesus the better you know what he wants from you

 bacchus90: i want a pint of ale, of to village pub. back in 20 minutes

 _rambler_1: what if a man gains the whole world and loses his soul.....there must be a soul as it is referred to many times in the bible  but yet no one has yet put a soul under a microscope have they???/smile

 holimon: because its not a feeling or a body function nor a state of being that we can define

eternumpace: why is it so strange to us to consider that our bodies are in cahoots with a divine spirit or mystery when it is so apparent immediately and in its utter immediacy and beholden efficacy that we know virtualy nothing!

 vladislaw_: I think yahovah would be a lot happier if we ended this mindless debate and had garage sales got rid of all the material junk in our lives and bought a few tons of rice to feed the 37,000 "least of his children" that starve to death everyday

 paradisio1: back

 holimon: Our Bodies are only a Tool to survive on earth.

 tien_bau: Eternum.. and the point of yours ?

 jean_49: wb para

 eternumpace: :---) tien. ye be gods

 eternumpace: "know thyself"

 _rambler_1: if the bible or God has no meaning than why worry...we are testing theology against truth..what have or can u gain??????

esoeso7: physical body...current residence of the spirit [mind]

 holimon: We have Trouble on Earth because we think we are Carnal Beings trying to be Spiritual, But we are truely Spritual Beings Trying to be Carnal

 esoeso7: carry on

 esoeso7: brb

 eternumpace: wow. that is profound, holimon

 eternumpace: i like it

 paradisio1: the existentialist position lead keirkegaard to assume such eternum, but sartre's position was no less valid

 holimon: That is the Truth

 sweetbreeze: i agree, holimon

 jean_49: yes it is, holimon

 eternumpace: agreed wholeheartedly, paradisio, the ontological proof works for me

 tien_bau: Paradiso.. Yes Soeren Kierkegaard had those thoughts

eternumpace: and the metaphysics of Kant is vital also

 eternumpace: but lets not forget that these modern philosphies are all pantheism retold

 paradisio1: like keirkegaard, kant made leaps, and their position only became understandable once one had made such leaps, however i am not convinced that such leaps are necessary or allowable

 eternumpace: Abraham was the Existentialist of his day

 tien_bau: Abraham was for sufre

 _rambler_1: i am a student of the Holy Spirit..not philosphy or theology..both are ifs or maybes or nothing but mans thoughts.....

 holimon: The bible gives many Scriptures and I believe this is a good one

 paradisio1: rambler, everything is thought

 eternumpace: talking about logical leaps makes me think of fate and destiny

 holimon: Col 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

eternumpace: i believe we are the universe's fate

 paradisio1: at least once we try to speak of it it is

 tien_bau: people like Soren Kirgegaard are maybe modern but specially he was in many ways talking an old "language" with a lot of sense

 eternumpace: well, holimon, that should keep us on our toes!!

 holimon: you bet

 paradisio1: it only becomes certainty separated from opinion when its taken completely away from human conception, at that point its truly useless to even speculate

 holimon: God said to Guard your Heart

 eternumpace: of course such a belief is repleate with kabbalistic tones

 _rambler_1: very good holiman....thanks for the confirmation....this started with those very words....smile

 paradisio1: do you have a favorite school of philosophy and/or philosopher you align yourself with etermnum?

paradisio1: eternum

 eternumpace: the renaissance left us in its debt when it made is customary to look at cosmos throught the human component. of course, Confucious did the same thing :--)

 eternumpace: oh. lemme think, paradisio

 esoeso7: back

 holimon: Jesus is the True philosoper, He is the Only one still Alive to back up what he says

 eternumpace: Whitman!

 eternumpace: and Shelley!

 paradisio1: hehe

 _rambler_1: confucious  says woman who fly upside down have crack up.....see the thoughts of confucious???

 eternumpace: lol rambler

 eternumpace: you crack me up

 esoeso7: thats what thinkin will getcha

tien_bau: Paradisio. The reason why I reflected when you said Kierkegaard was mainly that I should know of him as he was a Dane and lived around a mile from where i  lived when I was young

 tien_bau: YOu know he lived in Saessing in West Jutland in Denmark

 paradisio1: quite interesting tien

 eternumpace: please, someone, paint the first thought that comes to mind upon this window to our soul and we shall chase it like a moonbeam across the heady expanse of night...

 tien_bau: :-)

 jean_49: well, guess i'll check out cc2

 tien_bau: Saedding I ment

 jean_49: lol

 paradisio1: hehe jean

 eternumpace: *crickets chirping*

eternumpace: rrrrrribit

 eternumpace: rrrrrrribit

 esoeso7: burrrrrabbit

 paradisio1: in the infamous words of yuri that was once called yuri but is no longer called yuri who was once called yuri -- 'and a hush fell over the room as everyone contemplated their next witty remark'

 eternumpace: takes a deep breath hehehe

 paradisio1: no idea

 esoeso7: aaaaachoobulllll

 eternumpace: achtung baby

 paradisio1: ack

 holimon: lol Preacher

 esoeso7: heheh

 eternumpace: as you would see peace

without so you must see peace within so you will see the Noosphere

 holimon: rambler by the way, you are welcome

 holimon: lol

 _rambler_1: hol...smile

 holimon: Only Christ Jesus can give you inward and out ward Peace

 preacher1957: not wives

 paradisio1: interestingly, married men tend to have longer life-spans than single men, the opposite is true for women

 eternumpace: whatever does it for ya, holimon

 esoeso7: guess married ppl party less than singles

 esoeso7: takes its toll

 holimon: only Christ can give it

 preacher1957: think it only seems longer

 eternumpace: that's it! paradisio, will you marry me?

 holimon: Everything else is fake

holimon: an illusion

 vladislaw_: good afternoon linda ..

 esoeso7: only krishna can give you peace

 paradisio1: i'll check with my wife and make sure she has no objections, i suspect she won't

 preacher1957: harry krishner?

 lrcreel1: Actually....you guys are all wrong.....Married me have short life spans while married women invariably outlive their husbands by 10 years

 esoeso7: only the healing zeus can save

 preacher1957: lived next door

 holimon: is she dead?

 eternumpace: thing is, we will have to make it one of those new fangled homosexual marriages

 eternumpace: our own lil ode to agape

paradisio1: yes, married women tend to outlive their husbands, but that was not the comparison, it was single men to married men and single women to married women

 paradisio1: women in general outlive men

 xx_sigh_xx: at the age of 70

 preacher1957: wonder why

 eternumpace: lucky bastards

 xx_sigh_xx: women outnumber men 5 to 1

 preacher1957: hahahaha

 xx_sigh_xx: lol

 preacher1957: we know why

 esoeso7: they retire when they get the kids out of the house

 esoeso7: men keep working

 eternumpace: i think its their biological androgyne

 preacher1957: all that yelling gets to a man

 paradisio1: i'm not really up for one of those new fangled marriages i suspect

 esoeso7: i think lifestyle is a major factor

 eternumpace: man is a sex tool. woman is a sex priest

 holimon: Women out live men, because Stress is the number one killer and women talk us to death,lol ( just kidding)

 esoeso7: priestess

 preacher1957: AMEN

 eternumpace: er priestess

 esoeso7: :O)

 esoeso7: hehe

 esoeso7: :O) holi

 holimon: suspecting most men go early just to get away. lol

 preacher1957: hahahahahaha

 eternumpace: that's why i'm getting  a sex change. i'm calling it a preventive

elective surgical procedure

 lrcreel1: Men die early cause their Machoism Slowlly kills them

 paradisio1: strangely, men who stay at home to care for the kids tend to have a shorter life span due to stress related causes

 paradisio1: this baffles me

 eternumpace: weird, paradisio

 holimon: Now I'm just fooling, I expect everyone on this Page to live full and Godly Lives

 lrcreel1: you are speculating paradisio

 esoeso7: yes, by all means let us send our prayer with supplication to AMEN the god of pharoah

 paradisio1: shorter life span than married men who do not stay home

 eternumpace: i would have thought the opposite. could it be the lack of vocational predisposition towards communal acitivites??

 paradisio1: no ircree, my wife showed me the results of the study just last week

paradisio1: yes eternum, i suspect it has to do with no support groups

 esoeso7: <----wonders about the statistics on unmarried men who stay home

 eternumpace: hmmm

 esoeso7: :O)

 lrcreel1: sure she did....huh uh....<rolling eyes>

 paradisio1: have it your way

 eternumpace: locks himself in a sensory deprivation chamber and waits for the second coming

 paradisio1: did you ever see that movie where that dude does the sensory deprivation chamber sessions and began to go back to his 'primordial self'?

 eternumpace: you know where they Don't talk about God??? Answer: in heaven :-)

 paradisio1: can't remember the name of it

 xx_sigh_xx: bye :)

 holimon: eternum are't you waiting for the Rapture?

esoeso7: hmmm, how long you figure, etermun ?

 eternumpace: ya, paradisio, it's called, Altered States with William Hurt

 paradisio1: bingo

 esoeso7: pretty good movie

 holimon: I have that video

 eternumpace: luve that movie

 esoeso7: should have used mushrooms

 paradisio1: that movie was a bit much though

 esoeso7: safer

 eternumpace: what did you think of its pseudo-scientific basis, paradis?

 eternumpace: "don't let the suspension of disbelief get you down"

 esoeso7: <---thinks its unatural for ppl to be isolated

 lrcreel1: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 eternumpace: personally, i think there a lot of things about DNA we know nothing about but which may shed light upon mystical kknowledge

paradisio1: i'm not a scientist, i don't know

 _sarani: amen eso

 holimon: True esoeso

 holimon: Hi sarani Peace and Joy be with you

 _sarani: paraaaaaaaaaa

 lrcreel1: Sarani!!!!

 _sarani: holimonnnnnnnn

 paradisio1: saraaaaaaaaaaa

 _sarani: lrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 esoeso7: saaaaaaraaaaaaaaa :O)

 eternumpace: Sarani. that name sounds familiar

 _sarani: hi eter

 _rambler_1: ...................++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 lrcreel1: I personally think all the hubbub about DNA is all made up and

has not basis in reality

 eternumpace: i've goto go now. i once was lost, but now i'm more lost. I am grateful to you all!

 _sarani: bu byee, eter

 paradisio1: oh boy

 esoeso7: :O) gnite eternum

 _rambler_1: sorry was napping   smile

 eternumpace: aloha:)

 _rambler_1: bye pace tks for the chit chat...smile

 paradisio1: right ircree, yet another scheme concocted by satan to lead us astray like dinosaur fossils

 esoeso7: no basis in what sense

 esoeso7: lol para

 holimon: eternum if you haven't learned any thing, maybe this might help

 paradisio1: lrcree, sorry

esoeso7: the myth of fingerprints

 lrcreel1: Who is Ircree???  I dont see no one named ircree

 holimon: Pay High and Charge High and you might die content

 holimon: Not saved, but content

 paradisio1: anyone, if you don't see no one then you do see someone

 _sarani: whats the topic

 esoeso7: and miles to go before we sleep

 lrcreel1: As I said......There is no one in here named ircree

 esoeso7: dunno, sara

 lrcreel1: or lrcree

 holimon: What about lrcreel1

 preacher1957: when you can snatch the pebble from my hand.....you may leave

 holimon: Lol Preacher

_sarani: lolol.......ahhhh grasshopper

 preacher1957: she cann't take it captain

 esoeso7: oh, this is productive

 esoeso7: :O)

 preacher1957: she's going to blow

 holimon: hey Preacher whats that crawling on the wall behind you?

 holimon: SNatch!!!!!!

 preacher1957: spiderman

 _rambler_1: Disobedience will bring down the wrath of God  and blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin...if u dont think so what about adam and ev..??/

 preacher1957: spiderman

 holimon: lol

 preacher1957: no one knows what the spider can

 cab1972c: is there anyone from Indiana

 preacher1957: see him run

preacher1957: see himfall

 preacher1957: I ndia?

 cab1972c: why can't have a boyfriend

 trulady1: Does anyone know the old chat-name Pastor-Teach?

 preacher1957: no

 _sarani: yes tru

 paradisio1: no, you said 'i don't see no one', not 'there is no one', but i digress

 paradisio1: anyone want a cat before i send her to the taxidermist?

 preacher1957: send it

 _sarani: para....new hair do???

 paradisio1: i'm gonna

 paradisio1: you like, eh

 trulady1: Sarani, have you ever had another screen name?

 _sarani: lolol...ya

 _sarani: me, no i havnt

sarani: i like, being recognized

 lrcreel1: Sarani has always been sarani

 paradisio1: i thought it brought out the beauty of my eyes in a more productive fashion

 _sarani: for sure, paraaa...lol

 trulady1: Oh, ok.  I used to chat about two years ago pretty heavy-duty and I am trying to find some old friends

 paradisio1: i'm glad you noticed

 bacchus90: yo

 _sarani: oo i was here two yrs ago

 _sarani: what was your nic?

 bacchus90: sara! huggggggggggggg

 paradisio1: i am ashamed to say i was too

 trulady1: Same as now

 _sarani: baccccccccccc hugsssssssssss

paradisio1: <---- breaks from his trance just in time to slurp the drool back into his mouth before it hit his leg

 lrcreel1: take care sarani!!

 _sarani: enjoy your weekends...................

 tazphinlady: I guess not

 _sarani: << 46

 redeemed15: God bless you sarani

 bacchus90: bye sara hugggggggggggggggggggg

 vladislaw_: have a good weekend sarani ...

 _sarani: << older woman

 lrcreel1: Be safe!!!!!!

 lrcreel1: LOL

 paradisio1: laters saraaaaaaa

 holimon: Oh sarani so you lied to me

 _sarani: yes...ty.......bu byee

lrcreel1: Dont take any wooden nickles

 tazphinlady: <<older woman too

 holimon: you told me you were 18. lol

 redeemed15: oh 46 huh, ok well holimon, you still wouldnt have to babysit me...even though im younger...;o}

 holimon: just kidding

 bacchus90: wood? i dont even got paper

 holimon: lol

 janiepop: howdy folks

 janiepop: and there's my buddy eternum

 janiepop: red hi

 ambergirl0: very good saying red.    yes some  show more christian valuves them some otheres that profess His name.

 janiepop: well bacchus we try

 janiepop: bacchus is in usual form

 janiepop: lol

janiepop: paradiso correct

 janiepop: the modern expression has become what jesus was preaching against in the temple

 janiepop: Jesus stood against bad law

 janiepop: and a God of retrubution

 lrcreel1: Redeemed...chastising doesnt mean not being nice....it is just doing what must be done....once a person has been chastised justly....doesnt mean you cant be nice to them

 bacchus90: none of us can match it

 holimon: I remember Jesus saying

 holimon: Mat 7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 redeemed15: Jesus preached against hypocrites

 janiepop: I agree we can't match it ...but we can try

lastdays: (Mat 10:16 KJV)  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 bacchus90: point of being a christian is to try

 lrcreel1: What i dont like and cant stand is someone who rejects Christ trying to tell me what he is about

 paradisio1: i did a paper once on the existence of christians in the militia in the history of the early church, no evidence of a single christian in the military until well into the 3rd C i believe

 redeemed15: yes one of my favorite verses

 holimon: Luke 9:5  And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

 redeemed15: that i use in here alot

 janiepop: it's thr trying that makes us worthy

 paradisio1: dunno, that, like most stuff, was a long time ago

 janiepop: paradiso that sounds interesting

 lastdays: or iggy them huh holimon

 lrcreel1: What i dont like and cant stand is someone who rejects Christ trying to tell me what he is about

 holimon: You bet lastdays

 bacchus90: jesus  never handled a sword in the bible. not once

 holimon: We don't have to be suckers for anybody

 vladislaw_: he called himself a sword though

 redeemed15: no He didnt , he used the word as a two edged sword

 vladislaw_: and his disiples were armed

 janiepop: each man does it differently Jesus did it by word and deed

 lrcreel1: right Bacc...Jesus never...NEVER resorted to Violence.....not once

 redeemed15: no holimon im not

 redeemed15: a sucker

holimon: No but Jesus sure kicked butt clearing that Temple

 bacchus90: used the words but never physically handled one

 paradisio1: simply because one rejects belief in christ as savior/lord/whatever does not mean that they do not know/understand the jesus of history

 lastdays: 9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

 lastdays: computer is in my home

 redeemed15: yes He did and He wasnt nice about it

 holimon: redeemed I know your not

 janiepop: paradiso where have you come from lol

 redeemed15: He was righteously angry

 paradisio1: my mommies womb, i suspect

lastdays: para is a neat person

 janiepop: that's it righteous anger

 lastdays: hardheaded but neat, lol

 janiepop: para are you new to this ?

 bacchus90: but did not physically  handle a sword, ever

 lrcreel1: If you reject Jesus as christ...you can not understand him or what he was all about

 paradisio1: i've got a slight hunch that this story is not completely true though, but i haven't really had time to look into it

 redeemed15: im just saying  that before we trash someone, we better clean up our own backyard

 janiepop: we agree to disagree agreeably with lr about her doctrine

 paradisio1: please note difference between jesus of faith and jesus of history lrcreel

 lastdays: para you are one of my favorite nuts

 eternumpace: from the womb to the tomb, from the cradle to the grave....with

all the promises we make

 paradisio1: ok bono

 vladislaw_: you can not understand jesus if you reject the gnostic writings either

 janiepop: there's my buddy lol

 lrcreel1: there is no differences between the two

 eternumpace: teehee

 redeemed15: I know this Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life

 eternumpace: hiya, janie

 redeemed15: no man comes to the father but by me

 paradisio1: then you clearly have no understanding of the jesus of history lrcreel

 janiepop: para where HAVE you been all these lost and lonely chat days lol

 redeemed15: He also said anyone trying to go up another way, is the same as a thief

 paradisio1: reading mostly

 paradisio1: plus i had to get a new computer

janiepop: para and it shows lol

 lastdays: anything exciting para

 redeemed15: but we must pray and allow God to be God

 eternumpace: the book worm catches the early bird

 paradisio1: dude, i got a dell

 redeemed15:  nad stop trying  to play God ourselves

 lastdays: me too para

 eternumpace: hehe

 janiepop: eternum giggle

 lastdays: i finally got a new one

 lrcreel1: paradisio....you clearly have no understanding about Christ or God...but yes...i understand clearly the historic jesus and the Divine Jesus....they are one and the same

 janiepop: red I like that

paradisio1: hmm, dunno lasty, i just yesterday finished reading Albert Camus' 'The Stranger'

 redeemed15: comprende'?

 paradisio1: intriguing, today i started his book 'the fall'

 janiepop: lr again we have to disagree

 lastdays: i need a good book to read is it good

 eternumpace: lrc, that makes perfect sense if history is a work of the imagination, which i believe it is

 janiepop: last want a good novel ?

 lrcreel1: who care janie....i know you disagree...you reject christ....it is obvious you disagree....

 paradisio1: i found the story interesting and contemplative, but the ending was just adequate, i might have to reread the last little bit

 lastdays: only if based on fact

 bacchus90: its written by the folk who won the wars

janiepop: mmm

 redeemed15: how can history be the work of imagination?

 janiepop: this is kinda loosely

 eternumpace: well, leme tell you :---)

 janiepop: The Shipping News

 redeemed15: it either happened ans is history or didnt happen and isnt history

 janiepop: E Annie Proulx

 bacchus90: it sometimes is

 lastdays: if i cant learn by reading i dont want to rad it

 eternumpace: ONce upon a time with lived in an animalist cultural statis

 redeemed15: since  history is the  recording of events

 eternumpace: stasis*

 janiepop: lastdays this is a modern Jesus epic

 bacchus90: often by those with a vested interest

eternumpace: red, lemme paste some whitehead in here for ya

 lastdays: nah not my type of thing

 jldrgm1: greetings

 redeemed15: some what?

 paradisio1: good ole alfred north

 janiepop: the triumph of one man over himself ..a true resurrection story

 lrcreel1: Jld!!!

 bacchus90: greets jld

 redeemed15: jld!!!

 jldrgm1: hey Lr....

 janiepop: last would a modern resurrection story be worth the read

 lastdays: no

 eternumpace: For Whitehead, creativity is the ultimate reality of which all things are instances. This means that the basic things or entities are events,

spatio-temporal processes of becoming. Whitehead's view not only generalized the Einsteinian notion of the convertibility of matter and energy, but also employed another basic Einsteinian notion, which is that space and time are inseparable.

 lrcreel1: Jld....glad you are here.....Christ is underattack again....we need al the christians we can get in here

 paradisio1: alfred north whitehead, usually classified in the school of analytical philosophy if i am not mistaken

 janiepop: ok

 bacchus90: history isnt valued enough. but you havta take the vested interests into account

 holimon: Jesus is always modern

 jldrgm1: here i am to help  : )

 holimon: Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 eternumpace: does that blow yer hair back, red??

 jldrgm1: wait lemme put my armor av on

janiepop: lol re blow hair back

 redeemed15: wel some are trying to say Jesus survived the crucifiction and married mary magdalene

 lastdays: last book i read was on the mafia, but forgot its name

 ambergirl0: H heeee jld,  I stepped away to put my armor on

 paradisio1: christ is not under attack, it appears that you feel threatened by people holding thoughts that differ from yours

 lastdays: hi amber

 eternumpace: . One cannot speak of space and time as separate, but only of space-time, or time-space. Whitehead's way of explaining this idea is that the things comprising the world are not essentially nontemporal things that just happen to be in time. They are essentially spatio-temporal events. They take - or make - time, as well as space, to occur. There is no "nature at an instant" - taking instant in the technical sense as having no duration or temporal extension. There are also no actualities devoid of spatial extension. All actualities are temporal-spatial events. Whitehead therefore says that all actual entities

are "actual occasions". No actual things simply endure passively. Each real thing is a spatio-temporal happening.

 bacchus90: hmmmmmmmmmmm do they have any shred of proof?

 janiepop: para gets right onto it lol

 lrcreel1: He didnt survive...he was resurrected.......and he ascended into heaven...and he did not marry any one

 _rambler_1: i dont believe analttical philosphy can put Jesus in a jar if it were so where would faith fit ??????

 lastdays: brb

 _rambler_1: analytical

 paradisio1: the magistrate to the main character in the stranger: belief in god is inconceivable, if god does not exist my life has no meaning, do you want to make my life meaningless?

 janiepop: para type that in again

 jldrgm1: amen lr, he defeted death

 redeemed15: amen LR

paradisio1: the response of the main character: i don't see how my thoughts bear any part upon you

 lrcreel1: Rambler.....i dont understand fully what you just said....but strangely...i agree

 paradisio1: type what again?

 bacchus90: maybe, maybe he died forever

 janiepop: para ie Chrsit is not under attack line

 redeemed15: but you see what ppl will do  to justify their philosophies

 janiepop: tell them that again

 paradisio1: rambler, you never have gotten it, have you

 vladislaw_: well since no one in this room witnessed anything .. and all writings are not original .. no one can say for absolute sureity what happened

 clb_16: hi everyone

 bacchus90: his example lives

 redeemed15: yes i agree too with him LR

 janiepop: vald we must agree

 bacchus90: yo clb

 eternumpace: there is place, just over the next horizon, where people do not talk about christ or god or sin or salvation. there is a place where the only religion is compassion. this place is heaven.

 redeemed15: we cant put Jesus in a jar, or God in a box

 paradisio1: christ is not under attack, it appears that you feel threatened by people holding thoughts that differ from yours

 janiepop: talk of metaphysis is alwys fraught lol

 _rambler_1: no i guess not...but i am a sinner that has been saved by faith thru grace....

 redeemed15: no para, if i felt that way, i wouldnt read it

 vladislaw_: good afternoon listening ..

 eternumpace: i think i'm catching a frauhten cold

 janiepop: ty para that might just be the single best line ever typed in here

 bacchus90: gezundheit

redeemed15: i do read it, but i dont have to agree

 holimon: eternum. The only things that are Real are those things that are Eternal

 redeemed15: i like learning new things

 eternumpace: this room is fraught with ontological peril

 redeemed15: amen holimon

 lrcreel1: I know that I know that I know what happened....JESUS DIED....HE WAS IN HELL FOR THREE DAYS.....THEN HE AROSE....THEN HE TAUGHT 40 DAYS AND 40 Nights.....THEN HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN

 paradisio1: i dunno, one time matthew clawsen said to me, and i quote, 'as for you para, you can go right to hell and get iggied'

 eternumpace: Ideas are eternal - ralph waldo emerson

 redeemed15: fraught a good word..lol

 skep_tic: Good afternoon fellow Infidels

 janiepop: ooooo para

vladislaw_: can you type a little bigger .. I didn't quite catch that

 redeemed15: lol para

 bacchus90: yo skeppy

 _rambler_1: excess baggage has been the fall for many people thus so many denominations and disbelief......

 redeemed15: hey skep, give us a hug

 janiepop: here's skep hi skpe how ya been

 holimon: ralph emerson is dead

 esoeso7: back

 eternumpace: one thing is certain. these people can type

 redeemed15: so glad you came  skeppy

 bacchus90: yo eso

 skep_tic: Hi Bacchus & Redeemed & Janie and ((hugs)) for all

 esoeso7: :O bacchus !!!

 redeemed15: althought im sure you will bring the great pumpkin with ya

redeemed15: wooo hooo

 esoeso7: hi, skept

 redeemed15: hey cad

 esoeso7: red !!!!

 esoeso7: :O) hi, janie

 paradisio1: i don't see how the application of basic intellect (god given i suspect you would say) is excess baggage rambler

 holimon: You mean they could type, they can't anymore

 skep_tic:  loves Rambler and Creel

 janiepop: need more tea

 redeemed15: esooooooooooooooooooooo , huggles

 esoeso7: :O) redeemed

 skep_tic: Hi Eso

 esoeso7: :O) skept

 cadwalader: Hello SKEPTIC, you good-for-nothing-no-good bleeding heart liberal. Howaya?

janiepop: the Buddhists have 3 cardinal sins in their doctrine

 lrcreel1: redeemed....the GREAT PUMPKIN is dead....i killed it

 redeemed15: wel para, we are to discern if what we read lines up with truth

 _rambler_1: pace what is ur background or where do u copy all the rhetoric  from u have given us????

 holimon: lol cad

 eternumpace: just think. without the opposable thumb, i could actually speak jibberish

 vladislaw_: good afternoon cad ...

 skep_tic: Hi Cad, how's the fishing?

 _rambler_1: which

 redeemed15: lol LR

 janiepop: 3 cardinal sins = anger greed and stupidity

 skep_tic: Creel is so blasphemous

 paradisio1: what we read usually influences what we see as truth, i suspect we

have a little bit of a problem here

 eternumpace: i thought those were cardinal points, janie :-)

 cadwalader: Can't seem to get enough of it. How's the apologizing going?

 redeemed15: you do speak  gibberishn eternum.lol but we love ya

 lrcreel1: there are no cardinal sins......there is only one unforgiveable sin

 janiepop: sins mmmmm points lol

 lastdays: back

 eternumpace: "looks everywhere"

 vladislaw_: lol

 skep_tic: Cad, the Bushiosi don't deserve apologizing - they deserve jail

 lenasa19: hi last

 janiepop: there were 7 deadly sins in the Chrsitan construct

 bacchus90: sin is just hurting other people

 lenasa19: hi rambler

 vladislaw_: and yourself

 bacchus90: hiya lenu huggggggggggggggggg

 redeemed15: gr

 lenasa19: hi redeemed

 lastdays: hi lena

 lenasa19: hi jld

 _rambler_1: para not if u are well versed in the Word of God...we know what is truth and what is not for the most part..only u are overly educated in the ways of the secular world...

 lenasa19: hi eso

 janiepop: anyone remember the 7 ?

 holimon: I might be going Cod fishing tomorrow in Rhode island on the With the Frances Fleet out of Galilee Harbor Point Judieth

 esoeso7: :O) hi, lena

 vladislaw_: good afternoon lenasa ...

 redeemed15: blaspheming teh holy spirit and hello lenu

 lenasa19: hi vlad

redeemed15: can i come holimon?

 cadwalader: skep - Whaddaythink of the Cardinal sins going on the Catholic church and the religious idiot who planted the pipe bombs.

 skep_tic: lol @ "not well versed in word of god" LOL

 lastdays: neat holimon

 janiepop: para watch the overly educated lol

 redeemed15:  i want to go fishing

 eternumpace: i have developed a new and improved game theory. I am  one rule. You are another rule. The goal is to break the only rule

 janiepop: cad w that is funny

 butt_munch23: ANYONE SEEN APHRODITE IN HERE?

 cadwalader: redeemed - Jesus,like me,was a fisherman.

 holimon: Reddemed you need a plane ticket first

 paradisio1: to become well versed in the word of god one must read rambler, or at least listen to someone else read, i repeat again, because it bears repeating, what one reads influences what they consider to be truthful

vladislaw_: good afternoon blur ... great av ...

 bacchus90: yesterday, munch

 skep_tic: Cad, was the pipe bomb kid a christian?

 redeemed15: hey cad,  he wasnt a religous person was he?

 lastdays: well said para

 redeemed15: you are not going to send me one holimon?

 redeemed15: lol

 cadwalader: janie - I say: keep away from religious people - they may be half-nuts. Maybe?????

 janiepop: pipe bomb up date required

 _rambler_1: ok pardona me...smile

 blurofserenity: heh.. i heard that the kid was trying to make a smiley face pattern on the map with the spots all his bombs went off..

 holimon: I'm planning on making enough Money so we can have a CC Fishing Trip for those who want to go

 cadwalader: skep - He sure was.

lrcreel1: dont even try to make the idiot who planted those bombs as christian......he was a idiot kid...had nothing to do with religion

 redeemed15: all i heared was that he  planted them in the shape of a smiley face

 lrcreel1: or christianity

 lastdays: do you have a printing press for it holimon

 blurofserenity: One can be an idiot no matter what one believes

 cadwalader: Me and Jedsus\ - fishermen - Can you believeit?

 skep_tic: Hi Blur, you know, I noticed a circular pattern myself

 bacchus90: we'll only need to catch a few, then multiply

 bacchus90: easy

 holimon: Hi Blur Peace and Joy be with you

 redeemed15: yep cad, i can

 redeemed15: noble profession

 redeemed15: although Jesus was a fisher of men as we are to be

 eternumpace: WOULD YOU PEOPLE STOP TALKING AND TYPING

FOR JUST ONE MINUTE. I'M STILL BACK AT "ENTERING CHRISTIAN CHAT"!!!!!!!!1

 skep_tic: Creel, chrsitianity has a history

 holimon: No Lastdays, I have to make all the Money first

 redeemed15: sorry etern

 holimon: I'm paying for all plane tickets

 cadwalader: redeemed - Well, at least I know that I(!) am a fisherman. Jesus gives me some doubts.

 esoeso7: wb eternum

 bacchus90: to make money, start a religion

 lenasa19: lol

 lastdays: lol holimon i meant make it yourself on a printing press

 paradisio1: you're not in lag eternum, the rest of the room is simply racing foolishly ahead

 redeemed15: no doubts here about Jesus

 skep_tic: Redeemed, and Cad can walk on water , too

 redeemed15: not me skep

 lrcreel1: amen redeemed

 redeemed15: i but a lowly sinner

 holimon: Oh thats true Lastdays

 lrcreel1: No doubts whatsoever!!

 lenasa19: redeemed yes you can anyone can just dump glass water on floor and walk on it

 esoeso7: unbounded exuberance of youth

 lastdays: would be easier

 eternumpace: I will be away from keyboard for the duration of this flight. please put your seats in the upright position.

 cadwalader: There are two things that every religion has in common with every other religion: they all hate every other faith, and the other thing is....................  -ah, you know.

 skep_tic: No doubts about

 redeemed15: well yeh i can do that lenu..lol

redeemed15: YOUR LEAVIN??

 janiepop: cad mmmm update not true

 lenasa19: Then you can walk on water easy.

 skep_tic: Cad, true

 esoeso7: is everybody in?

 cadwalader: True !!

 lastdays: hi eso

 janiepop: they don't hate al other religions

 esoeso7: :O) lastdays :O) !!!!!!!!!

 janiepop: I am quite the opposite

 redeemed15: yes  skep, and i am going to bake a giant pie outa your great pumpkin!!!

 lastdays: hugs eso

 esoeso7: :O)

 skep_tic: Janie, you are enlightened (or a backslider) LOL

 redeemed15: <---doesnt hate the other ppls faith

skep_tic: Blur,  <pic of pumpkin> is One True God

 preacher1957: poor cad

 preacher1957: lost again

 peterdragon11: afternoon room

 _sleepygirl_: hi vlad :)

 _sleepygirl_: hey rikke!

 tazzy.wazzy: hi everybody!!!!!!

 clb_16: hi everyone...i'm back

 

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