2. What about the passages in the bible that talk about Homosexualiy and transgenderism?
3. Can g/l/b/t people be married?
4. Is the union between a man and a woman is divine?
5. Are there gay relationships in the bible?
6. Is sin of sodom was sodomy?
7. How does bieng gay or transgendered fit into Gods plan?
8. Are there just two sexes?
9. What is the bottom line?
10. Are people born g/l/b/t because people are born into sin?
Nowhere in the Bible does it say its a divine union nor does it say that it MUST ONLY be between a man and a women. It DESCRIBES marriages between a man and a woman but it doesn't make it a law. Infact Paul said it is better not to marry but if it will keep you from commiting sexual immorality then one must do so. This is why g/l/b/t people need marry so when they fall in love they won't commit sexual immorality.
There are girls born with penises and boys born with vaginas. If marriage depended on man and women then what do we have to say for them?
The family structure is not a salvation issue. God only made it for an earthly thing just like he made the plants and the animals.It doesn't get you into heaven, doing good deeds unto others and believing Jesus died on the cross for our sins does. Bieng gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered won't stop you from doing good deeds. The reason God made alot of people straight is to procreate but thats in Gods hands not ours if he makes some of us g/l/b/t then thats his decision.
Love however is Divine and that can come in infinite forms
Johnathan and David
Their marriage:
1 Samuel 18:
1 Now it came about when he had finished speaking to Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as himself.
2 Saul took him that day and did not let him return to his father's house.
3 Then Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself.
4 Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, with his armor, including his sword and his bow and his belt.
1 Samuel 18:20-21
"Now Saul's daughter Michal was in love with David, and when they told Saul about it, he was pleased. 'I will give her to him', he thought, 'so that she may be a snare to him and so that the hand of the Philistines may be against him'. Now you have a second opportunity to become my son-in-law" (NIV)
In the King James Version, the end of Verse 21 reads:
"Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the one of the twain." (KJV)
Saul's belief was that David would be so distracted by a wife that he would not be an effective fighter and would be killed by the Philistines. He offered first his daughter Merab, but that was rejected, presumably by her.
Then he offered Michal. There is an interesting phrase used at the end of verse 21. In both the NIV and KJV, it would seem that David's first opportunity to be a son-in-law was with the older daughter Merab, and his second was with the younger daughter Michal.
The KJV preserves the original text in its clearest form; it implies that David would become Saul's son-in-law through "one of the twain." "Twain" means "two", so the verse seems to refer to one of Saul's two daughters. Unfortunately, this is a mistranslation.
The underlined phrase "the one of" does not exist in the Hebrew original. The words are shown in italics in the King James Version; this is an admission by the translators that they made the words up. Thus, if the KJV translators had been truly honest, they would have written:
"Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the twain."
In modern English, this might be written: "Today, you are son-in-law with two of my children" That would refer to both his son Jonathan and his daughter Michal.
The Hebrew original would appear to recognize David and Jonathan's homosexual relationship as equivalent to David and Michal's heterosexual marriage. Saul may have approved or disapproved of the same-sex relationship; but at least he appears to have recognized it.
The KJV highlight their re-writing of the Hebrew original by placing the three words in italics; the NIV translation is clearly deceptive.
1 Samuel 20:
41 When the lad was gone, David rose from the south side and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed three times. And they kissed each other and wept together, but David wept the more.
42 Jonathan said to David, " Go in safety, inasmuch as we have sworn to each other in the name of the LORD, saying, ' The LORD will be between me and you, and between my descendants and your descendants forever.'" Then he rose and departed, while Jonathan went into the city.
2 Samuel 1:
25
" How have the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle!
Jonathan is slain on your high places.
26
"I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan;
You have been very pleasant to me.
Your love to me was more wonderful
Than the love of women.
This passage is talking about the rapture:
Luke 17:34-36: "There shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken and the other shall be left."
The sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality it was rape and being abusive and uncharitable to strangers. All over the Bible it explains what the sin of sodomy was but it never said anything about homosexuality.
Of course he didn't create two men or two women AT FIRST. Which is what alot of anti-g/l/b/t's try to say. This is because he wanted mankind to multiply.
But over time, the necessity to grow the population lessens, and God can allow people more freedom, so he throws gays/lesbians/bis/transgenders into the gene pool to create some variety and help open people's eyes to the diversity of his creation (he also throws in more races, hair colours, eye colours and other characteristics).
Transgenders are like the blind man in John 9:3
"1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him." Later Jesus cured him and gave him sight.
When they are blind, its when there as the sex they really aren't on the inside,
When there as there true selfs, it's like when Jesus gave the blind man sight.
Both sides are neither curses but a chance for God to be manifest in them, for them to learn from there experiences and to experience life as something as rare and special as a Unicorn.
Its only viewed as a curse if you look at it with earthly conserns but God is beyond the earth and its his footstool.
What can be learned from these experiences?
* That physicality means nothing but its whats on the inside that counts.
* Seeing the diversity and liberty in Gods creation
* Seeing how important equality is in every minority.
Transgenderism is not an imperfection but a difference.
Physical things are not what makes something perfect but Love is what makes something perfect.
Being transgendered doesn't get in the way of that.
Differentiality is something to be embraced not shunned.
When God made a rainbow for Noah after the great flood. Did he make a white arch? No he made a wonderful variety other different colors to show the beauty and diversity of his creation. To show his love for his people.
A sin is not capable of Love. Being Gay is capable of Love. Look at all the other sins they can't have love.
Galatians 5:14
14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
James 2:8
8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"
Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others as you'd have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets.
Romans 13:8
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
John 4:7
7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love
Galatians 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
John 13:34
34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
God is love and sin is whats against love. Thats why you separate yourself from God when you do it. A sin cannot have love.
It is not right to condemm todays loving consentual gay relationships that are not against that. Those passages were condeming things that were against loving thy neighbor as thy self like, rape (sodom), prostitution (Leviticus), prostitution again (Romans). Specifically to the ones in their culture because those letters were originally addressed to them. The rest have been mistranslated. None of those passages say directly homosexuality in general is condemmed and have nothing to do with homosexuality as we know it today.
Being transgendered:
The passages that they try to point at transgenders are would not be talking about transgenders but crossdressers. (Look in my Links page to see how even this is not true) These passages say it all:
for crossdressers:
"Man looks at the outward appearance, but the lord looks at the heart"(1 Samuel 16:7). Clothing is not important nor any material thing. Whats important is whats in your heart. That you want to do good deeds unto each other and love one another and believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins.
for transgenders:
Galatians 3:28
"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
"Nor" is an extention of "neither" which means not both and beyond.
Mathew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
