OK I am happily working and reading along and my quandry
is on the flow charts is the idea to just recreate the
charts that are shown and explain what is going on at
each step? jj

That is my understanding of the assignment, might be
wrong though.  It take a little bit of time to recreate
the flow charts, which seems pointless because they are
already right there in the book, but from my
understanding thats what you must do. *Sigh* back to
work.

-Frank

Hi Frank.  I'm sorry if you feel the flowcharts diagrams
are unnecessary, however It's important you learn the
diagram process since, if I remember correctly, every
assignment from here out requires a flowchart to be
drawn with your algorithm.  Practice makes perfect...



Laura

Hi Jackie and all. A flowchart is a picture of your
algorithm.  The exercise is to learn about the diagram
process, and understand what the process is depicting. 
All you have to do is recreate the flowchart exactly as
it is in the book.  Then you give a summary in your own
words what is taking place in the process of the
flowchart.  Just remember, don't forget your summary or
no points will be given.

Laura

I dunno... it gives me an opportunity to draw all my
pieces so I don't have to draw them again.  Ctrl-C,
Ctrl-V!

:)

Yes, I certainly did get to practice my word 
techniques. I was wondering if she'd notice if I 
scanned it and imported it into Word. Since it would 
come through as a graphic instead of individual 
components, I decided not to risk it, but the thought 
was tempting...Still, I suppose she's right (darn, I 
hate it when professors do that! (insist on being 
right, I mean)) and the more practice we get at this 
stuff the better. :)

Dawn

Neat trick: in the MS Word drawing toolbar under
"autoshapes" there is a list of flowchart symbols that
give you the shapes you automatically need when you
rubber band with the cursor.  You can add text to the
symbols by right-clicking them and selecting "add text."

Yup. I know. Thanks for the info, though. :)

-Dawn

Hi everyone.  A couple of things I need to share with
you:

1.  Sunday night will be the deadline for any makeup
work from week1 and week2.  No more exceptions, we have
to go forward.  Make SURE you turn in all parts of your
assignments from week3 and forward, or you do not
receive points for your work. If you have questions,
ask.    We are in the design portion of the SDLC, and
you have to ask questions of your customers if you don't
know the answers.  I am online at least once a day with
the exception of Sunday to answer questions, and you all
have been excellent about helping each other.

2.  Watch your file names.  Many of you are still using
spaces, dashes, and underscores in your file names.
Sometimes there is a probolem opening these files, and
if I can't open the file you do not get points. Go back
to your guidelines to view naming conventions.

Laura

Ok, I've finally got my computer back up and running. 
It took over a week at constantly plugging away on the
configuring my new drive and loaded programs to sit
behind a hardware firewall, a router to be exact.  It
was no piece of cake, let me tell you.  The darn thing
just wouldn't take my settings untill I formatted three
times and loaded just the barest of programs, namely
just Win 98 and my video driver, and nic. My nic was the
biggest problem of all.  Finally I got it to take hold. 
Then the router was the next chore.  Once the nic took
hold, the rest was easy in comparison.

Anyhow, now that I can get back online, and check for
any tips and tricks, the instructions say to use
Exercise #29 as the guide for the form in which we are
to format our diagram.  Are we supposed to draw the flow
charts for each exercise number, along with the diagram,
and referring to page #79 of the text, the x-&y-columns
of the diagram are to be filled in as shown?  If so,then
we are missing a c-column.  Or, for example, in #29 for
the statement x = y + 5, we do the math, and enter the
expected result in the x-column, and dash the y-column?

Or do we plug 3 * 4 of exercise #1 into the #29 table
somehow?

Or do we plug into the diagram the each exercise with a
blank table and format it like #29 but not the same.

For example, the practice sets in our reading p.71-79,
would be the format or syntax as if we were plugging
these in VB, only we are in Word drawing a diagram of
the steps in VB?  And do we produce the flow charts with
each execise?

Dean

I created a new table for each problems or each set of
problems using #29 as a template.  For instance, I put
prob. 1,3,5 in one table and so on. I don't think you
need to use the exact format as #29 but follow the
theme. I hope I'm right!--James

Laura or anybody, This "numbers " excercise is a little
vage to me. I understand what is going on however there
are some questions I have.  

1.  I tried to do the excercises with my book version of
Vb and it would not work, (the slight changes between
the software and the book are irritating).I kept on
reading and  found that the excercises are on our CD. 
So I opened it up and worked through the problems.
Please tell me if  this is what everbody is going
through or is it just me?

2.  The "picResults.Cls"  I know this is for clearing
the window, however can someone tell me why I want to
clear the window??  Does this mean that the equation
will not appear in the window?

3.  In the tables on page 79 I was able to fill in the  
cells with the answers, however when I got down to the
"picResults.Print a-b" section I came up with the
answers 17 , is 17 ="c"?  

4.  I had the same problem with b=b*b.

5.  It also sounds like you can put two or three
problems into a table, is this true?

Any input will help thxs kel ([email protected])     

Oh by the way, I feel for you with your hard drive
problem.  I'm about to install a tape drive I had laying
around to do a backup on my hard drive because I can
hear my drive making some unfamiliar shuffling sounds. 
Oh well, I've been wanting to upgrade anyway.--James

Tape drive!!!! Ugh!!!!That's fine, if that's all you
have besides a floppy drive to store back-ups.  But
seriously folks, when I considered acquiring either a
LS-120, a zip drive or even a tape drive, I opted for
the 2nd generation 8x4x2 rewrite cd burner.  I figured
with the 650mb cd's (back then), it would more than own
up to it's investment in time.  I was right, it holds
more than a 100mb zip drive, more than a 120 mb floppy
drive, and way faster at retrieving data than a linear
tape drive.  I have a tape drive in mothballed status
right now.  I have yet to learn how to do a good back up
of the perfect environment onto cd to restore corrupted
OS.  I have the Maximum PC Magazine article somewhere in
storage to follow the instructions, just haven't gotten
around to it yet.

Thanks for your input.  So far, that's exactly what I've
done so far all night and day.  Yep, still at it since
8:00 P.m. last night Oct 14th.  That's the price I have
to pay in order to get the grade if I want to get better
than what my current job pays me now!  

The flow charts weren't fun either.  That's why I asked
if the flow chart requirement was to be applied to the
VB asignment done in Word, and not sending any VB files,
just the code.  In a way, the Table portion of the
assignment acts like a DeskCheck as it is.  Just need to
watch the logic.  Then take it to VB and test it out. 
Works pretty cool, actually.

Dean

Buners are cheap these days. I mean my Yamaha 40x16x10
rewrite drive I got for Christmas of 2000, cost us $300.
 Now, on sale with rebate, it cost around $110. Cheaper
if you want to go with some generic brand.  Or if you
can afford to wait it out, upgrade to an FM Burner.
Using flourescent layers to burn up to 100 layers of
data on a cd.   Want to know more about the subject?  In
your browser, press the control key and the o key, and
type in c-3d.net and press enter.  You will soon
discover a new technology that is soon to be available.

Dean

Mmm... cd burner...

That's been on my list for awhile.  Unfortunatly, money
sucks :P

I too am also having the same problem as Kelly. I have
been trying all afternoon to get this exercise to work?
I don't know if anyone has any help on this topic. I
enter the information that is in the book in italics for
the exercises but nothing happens when I run the program
and hit compute? How does this work, anyone?

Jerimi

Hi everybody :) I think our software will not let us do
it......the software we got on our Cd in our VB book is
different then what is written in our book.  I was able
to find the practice problems on the CD under programs. 
The names of the forms and the code is totally different
then when we have on our version we recieved. Thats what
I have noticed, maybe I am wrong? 

thxs kel  [email protected]

What we are told to do in the book doesn't work, as it's
suppose to. I found the examples on the CD also and
looking at those forms compared to what we are
instructed to do is totally different. I noticed for
their object box they have cmdCompute. I have tried and
cannot get that option under the object box. Mine
defaults to (General). This is really frustrating. I
read along with the book and understand the examples but
when I try myself it doesn't work, as it should. I could
easily figure out the answers to the questions by other
means but I am not going to because I want this exercise
to work, as it is suppose to. I am very confused at this
point with the VB software.

Jerimi

I want to help, but it's hard without more specific
information as to what the problem is. Maybe this will
help:

All you need is a form that has a picture box (the book
has named this either picResult or picOutput -- it
doesn't really matter as long as your code matches your
name.) and a command button name cmdCompute. 

Such as: Private Sub cmdCompute_Click()     a = 2     b
= 3     c = 4     picOutput.Print (a * b) + c End Sub

I'm not sure if that will help -- especially this late.
I will check online every now and then for the next two
hours, in case you have a specific question that I can
answer.

Kathleen

I know I always get my work done through the week, but
this week was really ugly ;) I will look at what you
have, are you using the Cd with VB from the book?

thxs kel

Well I opened up VB again and created a form, picture
box and command button.  i do not get what the book or
your software gets.This is what I get. Picture Box:

    Private Sub Picture1_Click()

    End Sub

The Command Button has shows this:

    Private Sub Command1_Click()

    End Sub 

It will not let me compute.

thxs kelly  

You haven't given the command button any  instructions
for computing. 

First of all -- Click on the command button and  change
the name in the properties box to  cmdCompute.

Click on the picture box and change the name in the 
properties box to picResults

For problem 1 the code would look like this

Private Sub cmdCompute_Click()

    picOutput.Cls

    picOutput.Print 3 * 4

End Sub

Does this make sense!

Also -- I've noticed that the email program is putting 
some of my code on the same line rather than on 
separate lines like I typed it. I hope you can sort it 
out.

Kathleen

Whoops! Got myself confused with those different  names.
If you've named your picture box picResults  the code
should look like this:


Private Sub cmdCompute_Click()

    picResults.Cls

    picResults.Print 3 * 4

End Sub

I did look at the 3.3.1 program from the CD just to 
make sure I was on the right track and then worked  from
scratch after that. 

If you are doing the charts, remember that the  program
will only show an answer when there is a 
'picResults.Print' statement. Just to further check my 
answers, I added some print statements to have it  show
me what the a, b, c were at as it went along. 

a = 3 b = 4 c = a + b picResults.Print "a = ";a; "b =
";b;"c =";c a = c * a picResults.Print "a = ";a; "b =
";b;"c =";c picResults.Print a - b picResults.Print "a =
";a; "b = ";b;"c =";c b =b *b picResults.Print "a = ";a;
"b = ";b;"c =";c

That goes beyond the scope of the assignment, so  please
don't do it if you think it will confuse you.

Also -- remember that every formula that you use 
doesn't necessarily change the value of a, b or c.  Some
of the results will not go into the chart.

On page 84 there is an answer chart for Practice 
Problem 2. Notice especially the values for a, b, and  c
for the line "picResults.Print a - b" and "line b = 
b*b"

I think that should help if that is where you are 
getting bogged down.

Good luck!

Thank-You so much for the input I think what you told me
will help, you are sweet to help an old tired women at
this hour lol.... I am getting tired and need to hand in
my assignment.  However I will start on this first thing
in morning. Kathleen ....My husband was also a Mac man
way back when and he has been teaching me some basic
stuff on macs recently.  I love this stuff 

Good night and thanks again kel