NyNe:

 

Post: http://www.megaman-community.com/sho...868#post215868
User: Solar13lade

i have had no contact with this user, im just bringing this up because i saw it coming and i kept an eye out for it

he is now temp banned, and his comment wasnt negative in any way shape or form
he was merely expressing his concern for the future rather than dwelling on the past

dont take this the wrong way, it sucks that gary died, and it's fine that people mourn him
but you dont hear about anybody else dying, not because nobody is dying but because nobody is making a scene about it
mourning is one thing, but throwing a tantrum is another, even if MOST people are in agreement with whatever tantrum is thrown about this whole issue is just a tantrum

quickman even said to me that she didnt want this becoming a community 9-11 (her words)

if he had said something rude like 'well **** him we need a new iceman now' thats different, but this user was very delicate with his wording trying to make sure he didnt offend anyone


im not going to unban him myself, but this seriously needs to be rethought because it's pretty messed up

 

Gauntlet:

 

Well, he did ask *the day after* Gary died. *The day after*.

Me, I warned him for it.

 

ACE_Spark:

 

I've spoken to Solar, he's sorry for the offense he caused, and definately didn't mean it the way people assumed it did.
In fact if I could actually get onto the INC forums i'd copy what he said, but the net isn't liking me right now.

But I think to quote him, "I guess I get over deaths quicker than other people do.." or something along those lines.

Yeah he didn't mean no offense by the comment, people just saw it as offensive, which is sometimes just as bad, altough I don't think this case was as bad as over at INC where someone said "that sucks he died, I hope he's christian or he's going to hell."
Er, but, yeah. Short version is, Solar said he's sorry about the comment.

 

Gauntlet:

 

Well, sorry or not, he was a big dumbass.

I guess it's easy to move on witht hings when you never gave a damn in the first place.

 

ACE_Spark:

 

No arguement there, it was a pretty insentive thing to say. At least he reconises it was, unlike a certain example I just posted

 

NyNe:

 

gauntlet i think you're the dumbass here not him

he isnt a dumbass for not having feelings for someone he probably didnt know

and the way i read his post was more like this 'will s6 still carry on?' and thats a very fair question

and i agree its easy to 'move on witht hings when you never gave a damn' but i'd word it differently
he probably never knew gary and never got the chance to appreciate him for more than some dude who runs a site he visits from time to time
doesnt make him a sinner for not taking it personally
it would make him a jerk if he made harsh, rude, or insensitive comments, but he didnt, he merely asked if there would be a new iceman on the s6 team
and as history shows s6 has gone through staff members in the past and got new ones now


once again im not trying to downplay gary, im trying to defend this kid who is being punished because of personal feelings towards an event
also, the infraction wasnt so bad, he can at least dispute that himself, but he's banned right now and unless he knew a way to get in contact with a staff member here he would have no representation for a case like this

 

Quickman:

 

Alright, so I was a lil "irrational" with banning the kid. I'll lift the ban. No problem. It was stupid of me to ban him as I had acted outta anger rather than "rational thought." So my judgement was apparently severely impaired due to hearing about the death of someone I was gonna spend the rest of my life with. Sorry.

Don't take it out on Gauntlet, he didn't ban Solar. If you wanna be mad at someone, be mad at me.

QuickEdit: Solar13lade is now un-banned, and now I'm gonna go check to see how much cash I have in my account so I can get a plane ticket to go have one last chance to say "good bye" to someone I love.

 

Gauntlet:

 

Excuse me, Nyne?? You know, making personal attacks betwen people you're supposed to work with isn't the best idea. So rather than take a jab at you back, I'll again state why this kid pissed me enough to warn him:

He asked about it *the day after Gary died*. That's a considerable lack of tact. The event is personal; our responses are personal. He shoulda thought more before saying anything.

Now, while he has a right to dispute this and you can bring it up here, that doesn't give you any right to call me a dumbass.

 

NyNe:

 

im not going to say dont have emotions
and im not going to point the finger at you because there are quite a few people on the forum acting just like this

i am going to say i want this gary mess cleaned up, by mid october i dont want to have to see gary posts everywhere or gary sigs on every other person here
sure i understand one or two but for god sakes this IS like september 11th, america didnt get over it for 3 fcking years! i dont want that here

edit:
gaunt, i have just as much right to call you a dumbass as you do to call him a dumbass - dont get me wronng i dont think you truely are a dumass as a person, but you're certainly acting like a dumbass about this issue

 

Quickman:

 

Fine, okay, whatever. I'll handle the clean-up portion whenever I get back from the bank. But first, I need to take a long Angry Run and stew for a while.

You just hurt me, Ny. Thanks alot for pouring salt into that wound.

 

Strider:

 

Although I'm not prone to swapping names back and forth between co-workers, I do agree with the scale of Gary's death being taken farther than it really should have. Yeah, it sucked ass he passed away, but honestly? This forum could have gone without all the publicity. Like mah grandpappy always said, mourn and move on. Won't get anywhere in life if you continue mourning.

And I've spoken with Solar as well, and yeah, while what he said couldn't have had worse timing, it still doesn't justify a temporary ban. A verbal smackdown, maybe, but not a temp ban. Hopefully we can get this community into something fun for everything in the wake of all the madness. (Not just speaking about Gary's passing, but the overall stupidity level I've witnessed from several members).

 

Quickman:

 

Yeah. Okay. I get it.

Announcement gone, stickied thread in HQ unstickied. It'll be headed to the garbage bin tonight. In the MM3, the stickied "A Great Loss" thread has been unstickied.

The other two threads in the MM3 are staying as it's Gaunt's forum. He has the final say.

As for the announcement in the S6 forum, it's staying to deter the vultures. As for my sig (as I really have no business controlling everyone else's sig), it's staying for a while... Unless you really want it gone. The say the word and I'll change my sig.

As for everyone else's sigs... You want 'em gone? Fine. Say the word and I'll remove the sig from each and every single person who has it, regardless of who they are or what they want.

During my Angry Run down the road to check my bank account and get a few things, I decided to think about all this. And I realized that god DAMN am I ever foolish. How dare I have feelings and emotions?! I had addressed this concern 'forehand in the S6 staff forum and said about not really bringing this out into the open. The other teammembers thought otherwise, seeing as how Gary was and still is so important to the community. So, I agreed with everyone and decided that the community should know.

Apparently we're all deluded and that was a foolish mistake. And since everyone has apparently moved on, I guess it's time that I move on as well. The pain that I feel right now and have been feeling apparently means jack shit. I should suck it up and act normal as feeling this way is apparently bad.

As for Solar's ban, it's been lifted. And I was a complete moron for banning him for such an innocent question.

See? This is why I wanted to take a break and have DZ handle things for a while. My judgement is clouded and apparently I don't think straight.

But, what's done is done. What's happened has happened. And no amount of dwelling on it or explaining it away will change the past.

 

KillaRock:

 

thats true MMC didnt need all this publicity but I think the people who posted here wanted to show sympathy, unfortunatly their are some people who just say inappropriate things a the wrong time then you have people who dont understand what happen and just ride the vibe and have people be impressed with them for showing sympathy for the situation not even caring for the people's feelings who where close to that person and those are the immature children of these fourms. Its simply pathetic.

 

Strider:

 

The sigs don't bother me. It's retarded that people who didn't even know who Gary was have sigs like that, but they don't bother me either way.

And we're not saying to negate your feelings and emotions, Quick. If you're still in mourning then mourn. The forums aren't the best place to do it, unfortunately. No one's saying you shouldn't give a rats ass about what happened.

 

Gauntlet:

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyNe edit: gaunt, i have just as much right to call you a dumbass as you do to call him a dumbass - dont get me wrong i dont think you truely are a dumass as a person, but you're certainly acting like a dumbass about this issue

I don't have to work with this kid. This kid isn't gonna see me calling him a dumbass. And me calling him a dumbass certainly doesn't affect the administrative structure of the boards. Me calling this kid a dumbass shows you I'm angry with him. You calling me a dumbass tells me you think you cal call me whatever childish name you want because you don't respect what I have to say.

And if you think you're teaching me some sort of "lesson" about calling people names - you're not. If I see some member of the forum acting stupid, I'll call it like I see it. I'll be respectful when I have to work with someone, but if they're not gonna see it, it makes no disruption as far as I'm concerned.

Frankly I have a right to be annoyed at the kid. Ice was my friend. And he made a stupid remark. At a very bad time. He's a dumbass. Note: I am not the one who banned him. I can't ban people or temp ban people. So, since I didn't ban him and am just voicing my opinion: you have no right at all to call me a dumbass even as far as this situation goes.

So, to summ up: I wouldn't call you a dumass, even if I'm annoyed at you. That's not how staff act towards each other. However, the courtesy is not extended to forum members who'll never get to see it anyway.

And as for this "Gary mess" going too far (and this isn't just directed at Ny):
Quick has made alot of friends on alot of sites. If her boyfriend dies AND he was a pretty big part of the community then why shouldn't it be made into some sort of deal? If her friends at news sites feel bad about her situation, think it's worth posting about, and want to post it as news, then why not? And if the forum that was OWNED by Gary and his friend want to make topics about it .... again, why not? And if his friends want to put things about him in their signatures, then why not at that?

Ice actually did *do* alot for the MMC. If Heatman or Mandi Paugh died you'd probably see the same sort of reaction.

However, all this is pretty superfluous. As is setting a deadline for it to end.

The "Gary mess" has cooled down about now. There hasn't been any posts on it today ... and it's likely there won't be any in the future. People felt bad, they said what they wanted to say, and it's just about over. It might be annoying for people who never knew him, but that's how it goes sometimes.

Now, Strider said a board isn't the best place for mourning. Well, Gary's board is the Sinister Six - a board ON the MMC. I'm one of his close firends and my board's right here - ON the MMC. The S6 and MM3 are the biggest "MM Teams" on the net - a teand Gary started and both are forum here ON the MMC.

So, if Gary dies perhaps most of the reaction will take place .... ON the MMC. Unless I'm totally mistaken most of the activity on this has taken place between those boards anyway. When you're hosting the board of the guy who died (who just happens to have founded the entire thing) and his friends hang out there ... yes, it becomes THE place to talk about it.

However "unprofessional" it might be to make sigs about a friend when he dies, that's what might happen in a fan community when a portion of that community is based around the guy who died.

As far as unbanning this Solar kid goes, I don't really care. I'm not the one who banned him. I think he's a dumbass tho. I'm pissed at him for his totally bad timing. This isn't even about the guy now. I'm really pissed at the attitude here.

Quick gave her all as an admin for MMC. She really worked hard at it - even when she felt abandoned. Now her boyfriend dies .... and you guys are telling her to be more professional? Talking about cleaning up that "Gary mess"? Just where, exactly, is your heart? It's settling down all on it's own. You don't need to interefer.

As for me, I'm pretty pissed at being called a dumbass. Ny, you make me mad. But I've never called you a dumbass when I disagreed with you before. The fact that you seem to be belittling my friend makes me even more mad. Getting a point across is one thing. Antagonising those you work with is quite another.

 

Pluvius:

 

Now, I don't plan to just dive right in & immediately have the clout of any of you, since I'm new here, but here're my thoughts:

Quickman did nothing wrong. Banning the kid wasn't the best action, but it was under emotional duress.

Gauntlet might have been a little inappropriate in his statement. It wasn't a big deal, but it would've been better if he had said that what the kid did was dumb, rather than calling the kid dumb.

NyNe, you seem to be thinking too little of the feelings of those that knew Gary best. Let them have their signatures, their threads, & their comments on the issue.

Solar should have merely been told that his statement was inappropriate at the time. Punishment was out of the question, in my opinion.

The main points here are that Solar had no idea that what he said was inappropriate. He should have just been told that. NyNe & others are being inconsiderate of Quickman, Gauntlet, & others. They need their time to heal. Only they know when it's done healing.

This post wound up being mostly babble, but, here's the short of it:

Quickman was too harsh, Gauntlet could have chosen better wording, Solar didn't know he was offending anyone, NyNe & others can't speak for those hurt by the tragedy, & NyNe should avoid personal attacks.

 

NyNe:

 

GOD DAMNIT WHY DONT PEOPLE READ WHAT I POST

i said VERY CLEARLY at least 3 times that this isnt about gary to me
this isnt about people's feelings to me either
it's fine to have feelings, its fine to be sad about this event, im not exactly thrilled myself, he was a cool kid, we talked from time to time, it was nice knowing him and i do understand that others had more of an attachment than i did and THATS FINE

my issue here, is the 'gary mess' and what i mean by that is this whole thing was made out to be the biggest event in the history since the release of the x series
public displays of affection or moruning or whatever is fine but not when it's all over the place! i dont care if i see a sig or two but when EVERY KID HERE has a gary sig and hardly any of them knew him i start saying to myself 'WHAT THE HELL THIS IS MORE TRENDY THAN MYSPACE AND I HATE MYSPACE WITH A PASSION!'
im not going to tell anyone to clean up their personal forums and remove gary threads, thats fine keep them, im angry that there's so much of this gary stuff going on everywhere in the general forum areas and in the fan site community as well, not just our network, im pissed that i cant go to a megaman website or forum without seeing 'rip gary'

i mean for **** sake, if i die and people all over the internet go nuts i'll be rolling in my grave pissed like a mother ****er, i'd rather have my close friends mourn me for a time and then appreciate the good times we had NOT FLASH ME ALL OVER THE ****ING INTERNET SO THAT RANDOM ASSHOLES COULD PRETEND TO BE SAD

and trust me im much more out there on the net than gary is, i work on TONS of websites, the point is the 'GARY MESS' that i am complaining about is the fact that gary is plastered all over the internet like a movie poster instead of remembered and appreciated the way he should be

and THIS is what i mean when i say im not pointing fingers at quick, because its not just her fault, yeah she's involved, but EVERYONE who heard about this happening has now made it their own personal agenda to make sure they advertise it as best they as they can either because they want to impress others or because they feel it's doing gary some justice from beyond the grave






i dont even care about mmc anymore im going to flat out say this
STOP MAKING GARY'S DEATH AN INTERNET SITCOM! there are those of us who dont appreciate it because of how corrupt it's becoming

and i express this concern over gary even though i didnt know him amazingly well but say for instance someone i did know well died like sol of zero forever or lord phoenix of planet megaman, i'd be giving this same ****ing speech
STOP SHOWBOATING HIS DEATH, IT'S MAKES EVERYONE LOOK LIKE WE'VE ALL GONE DOWN A FEW NOTCHES OF THE MORAL SCALE


as for me calling you a dumbass, im not one to hold back my thoughts or actions, i am me, im not going to change me for you because im proud of who i am
the fact that i am me has put you where you are now since i started this whole community deal so i really think you should rething whether or not you actually do indeed hate me (yeah i know you didnt say it but im sure you thought it)
i said im sorry, i can understand the fact that i made a mistake, i tried to be nice about it and say 'hey i ****ed up, im sorry, i cant undo what i did but i didnt mean for it to cause damage and im sorry it did'
and no i wasnt trying to teach you some lesson, i was giving you an example of why you shouldnt call him a dumbass
and even if he cant see it, it's still horribly rude firstly to him, for instance i dont talk shit behind your back, and secondly to me because i am representing him and trying to defend his case (which he did not ask me to do, but i would feel it to be an injustice if i didnt at least say something)


and god as my witness i dont hate anybody here and i dont think poorly of anyone here either, i infact have a great respect for everyone because you were either invited to moderate for showing special qualities or you have a site and you've worked hard on it
but i have every right to be pissed off at anyone who just jumps out and speaks or acts against a user of this community with no logical reason for doing so (emotional reasons and logical reasons are different, i am not downplaying emotions, please continue to have them at your normal rate)

 

Darth Panda:

 

considering I rarely come here, I feel I have nothing to loose by saying this.

Ny, you're batshit crazy.

You go off and ignore the forums, leaving (just about) everything in Quickies lap, or so it seems, and then come back and throw a tantrum because she's following the boards rules as an Admin as best she can

personaly, I agreed with Quickie and said Solor should have been banned...I was the one that said bann the tard for a month.

Further more, I DID read everything you said, and the ONLY thing I agree on is that I HATE seeing all these posers tributing to Gary. It hurts Me more than anyone because I knew him in real life, I;m the closest one that lived to him, we hung out...ITS ****ING PISSING ME OFF

You are also cold and emotionaless...its takes MORE THAN A DAY TO GET OVER DEATH, and if you say otherwise you're just a ****ing Goul with no heart.

Ban me if you want, I don't give a rats ass, but if you REALLY care about what people think and not holding back...then you won't

I don't care. What I DO care about is you turning this into MORE of a circus than ever before.

Y'know what, I didn't want people on the net to know, not over a forum...I still told people and I STILL got chewed out by people who weren't told the NANO-****ING-SECOND they pulled the plug on Gary

So **** you Ny, **** every poser here and every cold hearted bastard that thinks this "Gary Mess" is...Argh, I'm so pissed at all of you I can't even finish my sentence correctly!

 

NyNe:

 

you just single handedly proved that you did not get the message

i said have emotions, i said mourn, i didnt say get over it

but i also said dont parade it all over the internet and especially dont parade it here because this is where it would have the greatest effect and the effect you'll get is not the effect you'll want

imagine a kid screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of a day care because his juice box is empty
now this may be sad for the kid, he wants more juice, but by him screaming he has disrupted the other kids and they are all now screaming because young kids do that, one starts and the rest follow

now all that kid has is a bunch of other noisy kids and an empty juice box because he couldnt be sad without making it a publicity stunt
he could go home being sad all day about his juice box being empty, but the screaming and triggering other kids screaming is doing nothing for his cause

 

Gauntlet:

 

Nyne .... you are completely off your base here. If you had bothered to look in the "rate this avatar" thread you'd see Quick was ALREADY on people for overusing Gary's death when they had no right.

By calling this a "Gary mess" I think you've shown just how much you really care about the man himself. To me it just sounds like you're annoyed that you're seeing him everywhere; not that you care.

As for tact: I use tact because I have to work with people here and sometimes I don't always see eye-to-eye witht hem. By restraining myself I'm able to work witht hem in the morning because I haven't said anythign I regret. Tact is used to provide a unified front to the forum posters. A sighn of stability. Of mutual respect.

But, fine. You wanna screw tact?

I wa sbeginning to thionk I was wrong for a while there. You came through on the forum deal and despite a very rude e-mail I was beginning tot hink I had you pegged the wrong way. Hell, if you look through forum posts you'll see me saying stuff about how we have to keep your intrests in mind. Asking where you were.

But you know what? You don't care who you offend so long as things go your way. You act like a dumbass here. Maybe you aren't actually a dumbass yourself, but the way you talk to the people you have to work with makes you a dumbass in that situation.

I can hardly BELIEVE I actually changed my mind about you! I had totally forgotten about the way you like talking to people.

I don't hate you. But quite often the way you talk pisses me off.

 

NyNe:

 

that is a fair call on your part saying i act like a dumbass, i can respect your opinion about me and respect that you said it to me instead of finding some private forum to say it behind my back (that is why i was pissed about you calling the other dude a dumbass)

as for the whole 'where the heck was i and why did i leave without warning' i have tried to explain myself, i believe in a few posts here and i know i have personally talked to a lot of people who questioned me, but nobody seems to listen to that either when i type it (just like anything else i say)

i did not leave, i did not plop the site into quickmans hands, i did not abandon this project
due to some moving situations i havent had much internet access until recently, and unfortunately for me i didnt have time to come here and explain it to everyone wondering
cynix put quickman in charge, he made her an admin since i wasnt around and i had spoken highly of her to him
im sorry there was no mission briefing but again i didnt have the opportunity to prepare one

and i did see quickmans post in the sig rating thread
her concern wasnt that people had the sigs, it was that people were rating them
my concern is that this event is having a ripple effect where a bomb dropped in the center and its not making waves for everyone else who honestly had no business knowing to begin with
and no its not that i dont care that gary died and im cold and heartless
the matter of fact is that actions were taken by those who were told about his death from whoever originally started letting people know and those actions lead to all of the sig rating issues and they lead to the users questioning s6's replacement policy, and most importantly the actions taken by those informed directly cause all of the issues that they later tried to punish other users for (disclaimer: im not singling out quickman, im talking about anyone who tried to do anything at all about stopping people from misusing gary's death for their own reasons)



so im sure you do have me pegged up wrong, but im also sure that you'll probably never get to know me well enough to hit the nail on the nose, and that is and always has been your choice, and your problem to deal with

as for me not caring about the people here and not addressing their needs and concerns you should know better by now than to make an outlandish claim like that and i feel no need to justify that with any response other than look back on my previous actions to your inquiries and tell me that i havent at least tried to solve the problems

 

DomminicanZero:

 

Sorry for barging in, but I need to say this.

THIS IS FREAKIN' GOING NOWHERE AND WE ALL NEED TO SHUT THE FÚCK UP.

True, I agree with you, Ny, that Gary's death is becoming more of an internet fad than an actual loss of a very dear friend. But it's also true that you're overcomplicating things here right now. The problem with Solar13lade was solved, yes or no? And the point of not exaggerating Gary's death was gotten across too, yes or no? Then why the hell are we all still arguing?

I'll admit that I'm one to get over the deaths of my closest relatives in an astoundingly short time, but that's MY specific case. There are people who can NEVER get over the loss of a loved one, and I respect them and their decisions regarding how to act about it. So please, let Quickie be, and let her do what she will, as long as it doesn't disrupt the normal activity of her forum duties and the normal functions of the forum itself. Believe it or not, that's the path of least resistance and also the one that'll take us fastest to the solution of this disagreement between so many people. That's all I have to say on the matters at hand.

 

Pluvius:

 

Also, NyNe, your statement about 09/11/01 was completely false. It didn't take America 3 years to "get over it". It takes each individual a different amount of time to "get over it". Some never do. Hell, some people aren't "over" the Holocaust. & that's fine. Each person has to deal with these types of things in their own way. ****, I didn't even have the pleasure of knowing Gary & I'm not "over it". I still have to see good people like Quickman & Gauntlet be hurt. The community can't "be over it" until the individuals are, & the individuals dictate their own timeframes.

 

Kingspider:

 

And here's my two cents...

DZ, great words, I completely agree with what you said, you always have something great to say and always have a great voice of reason. The only thing I can even begin to disagree with is that the sigs and avis have become a fad.
In a way, it's true, but think about...

The people are just paying respects for someone who helped build and lead their community, they didn't have to be close to him to feel effects. It'd be like if a president died. You don't have to know him personally know him to be affected, and you might have a bumper sticker or something similar to a sig saying "R.I.P. President Bush." Overall, people are just showing sympathy and respect.
Oh,and I agree that rating any of that content is wrong.

Kudos to you as well Pluvius, what you said is completely and totally true, especially of such a large,yet close community like ours.

 

NyNe:

 

okay i give up, nobody seems to be getting my point so do whatever you want

 

Shinobu:

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyNe okay i give up, nobody seems to be getting my point so do whatever you want

Actually, I do get what you are trying to say. I haven't said anything on this topic yet, I was trying to avoid doing so, as it seems to be causing a HUGE rift in the staff. I feel sorrow for Gary's death, but banning solar was a bit far. Sure it may have been insensitive for him to ask his question, but I bet over half the members had the same question, I know I did. He was just the first to ask. It's a question, if anyone had a problem with it, a PM with your feelings about it would suffice. As for the rating of sig's dedicated to Gary's memory was wrong. Pure an complete. Stopping it was needed. It turned into what was said, a Gary sig fad. Everyone seemed to only be making the sig's with the intention of getting attention for it. Quickness, I feel for you right now. If I lost my fiancee I would feel equally as bad, if not worse. I would bring in my religious point of view on this matter, but I know I would offend. All I will say is, Quickness, you'll see the Eskimo again. I promise. Let's just end this, all we are doing is fighting. I don't like seeing us fight like this. We should be working together, having fun doing so. Even if we are angry at another staff member, at least try to remain civil about it. Gauntlet, calling solar a dumbass was a little over the edge, but I do feel that you have every right to be angry at him. Nyne, a better choice of approaching Gauntlet's remark would have been something along the lines of "Don't call him a dumbass," not to attack Gauntlet for the remark. I really just want us all to get along again, as far as getting along as we can. I'm positive Gary isn't looking upon this with his blessings.

 

KillaRock:

 

Quote:

Originally Posted By:Shinobu It turned into what was said, a Gary sig fad. Everyone seemed to only be making the sig's with the intention of getting attention for it.

It reminds me of high school....

 

Shinobu:

 

Doesn't help that most of our users are either middle or high school kids

 

ClassiCal:

 

I've read through this whole thread and I find that neither Quickie or Gauntlet did anything wrong. Infact... what they did was actually to be expected. Quickie has alot of power around here... and with emotions going all over it's easy to be offended by something seemingly small. Let me tell you that Ice was one of my very dear friends... and after reading Solar's post... I too found myself sort of grinding my teeth. It hurt... but there's no need to be angry.

You see... kids are going to ask silly questions like that. They are going to misunderstand a very serious situation because of their ignorance. And in that situation they are going to throw people off the deep end. It actually was putting himself into a bad situation... people need to learn to approach such things a bit more delicately.

Anyways... Nyne... I do NOT see what you mean. I do not think YOU understand us. I have no quarrels with you... but telling people to clean up this quote "Gary Mess" unquote.... (which you have the power to do yourself anyways) just showed you to be one of the most insensitive people on this subject. You not only asked other admins/mods... but the ones who were trully affected by this whole thing. They'd gladdly stop a thread gone sour or a signature rating thread with Gary in it... but to plain get rid of everyone's way of sympathizing and holding together? I find this as you are annoyed at the unity and find it overused and 'trendy'. Yes I've seen the people making quite a ruckus about it both in forums and in chatrooms... but it's natural curiosity. They too, like Solar, don't mean to pry...but some want to show support especially since they too are fans of RockMan.

It's hard to say who's making it a 'trend' and who's actually sympathizing. Saddly anything, even this whole forum, can be seen as a trend.

As for someone being unprofessional... I believe Nyne is the only one here. Gauntlet called a poster who made him angry a name... but realized he was angered and of course didn't pursue him. Nyne just says "Oh I can do what I want because I created this place and because I'm so proud" ... which just made me like how this place is handled a little less. Quickie is out here unstickying threads and doing all the work when Gary was her boyfriend! She was also the one who put the banning so this could have also been cleared through a PM to her. That, I think, might have been a bit more professional.

I know I don't do much around here... but I'm not about to sit by and agree with any of this just because the main poster is one of the big names around here. I'm not a brown noser... and although I am careful in my wording... I'm not afraid to speak my mind either. It's both a good and bad trait. I personally am not proud of it... but it sure helps my heart...

If this topic was about misplaced banning... then why did it exscalate into reliving my friend's death? It was uncalled for and the 'mess' could have been brought up elsewhere or maybe in a later time frame. People are still at a loss... and I find that the ones who are still grieving are only being treated as if there was a party and now they have to clean up the silly spray and the confetti after it. I guess only until you go to a funeral and are handing a broom and a dustpan will you get the picture.

I posted this after some thought. I wasn' going to because I found myself very hurt... but I also feel that alot of people lose backbone when they feel their position as threatened. Since I don't mind either way... I speak for those who think it. I won't even mention the millions of assumptions swapped in this thread... I just hope for better management in the future... then again... it might not matter.