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TRUCE: Peace Talks Reach Resolution
(Cyberspace, USA) The season long feud between the Hummels Wharf Braves owner (Pinter311) and Atlanta Force owner(cah1201) hit a head earlier in the season. Words were exchanged on the messageboard that heated the rivalry even further. On Sunday night, these two men sat down at the table with President Puck (Puck8268)and Vice-President Sue (suziesmilz)to write down the terms of a truce, for the good of the league. Not only did these two fantasy powerhouses come to a cease fire to the hatred spewing on the board, but ended up both coming to the understanding that the feud was baised on a giant misunderstanding.
Here is the transcript of the talks:
Pinter311: Okay....since we're all here, I think
we can get down to brass tacks now
Puck8268: you have the floor bob..
Pinter311: Well, first of all, Chris, let me say I
respect you for agreeing to this...you
probably didn't know what this was going to
be about but there are some things that I
need to say...and I'm sure you do too
suziesmilz: so brian and i are here at innocent
bystander witnesses?
Puck8268: yeah sue
cah1201: lets hope it stays innocent...
Pinter311: I think it will...
cah1201: ok then...lets hear it
Pinter311: Well, I think a few things have
become pretty obvious over the course of
this season...one, I don't like you, and you
don't like me
Pinter311: Two...because of that, I have said
some things that were very out of character
for me...and I'll assume that you did the
same
cah1201: am i allowed to interject at any
point?
Pinter311: Give me a minute
cah1201: ok
Pinter311: Three...I have no intention of
leaving this league because of you...it means
a lot to me...and I'm going to assume that
you don't want to leave either
Pinter311: Therefore...something needs to
happen so that things don't blow over come
playoff time...there is a pretty good chance
that we could be playing each other, and
part of me is genuinely looking forward to
that...
Pinter311: Given the outcome of Week 5
cah1201: right...
Pinter311: Frankly, I don't know what we
could come to here...a truce...or just agree
to disagree...but I'd prefer if we could just
keep it civil between us from here on
out...out of a mutual respect for the league
Pinter311: and the efforts we both put into it
Pinter311: I guess I'm extending my hand
here...and it's up to you to decide what to
do...that's it, I've said my piece, and I want
to hear what you think
cah1201: understandable...
cah1201: ok
cah1201: well heres my view....brian brought
me in here to raise the competition...he told
me shake things up-so thats what i did-you
took things alot more personal than i thought
anybody would...
cah1201: i didnt really appreciate the
immediate personnel attacks...
cah1201: i have no problem with you...your a
competitor, and a good one at that, exactly
the type of guy i want to play against....
cah1201: i just assume wed get along and
neither talk about each other behind their
backs
cah1201: i just dont like this personal vendetta
you seem to have against me...
cah1201: my mistake was doggin' the
credibility of the league initially on the
forum...
cah1201: i shouldnt of went that far-i know
thats what pissed you off-but really i was
just trying to drum up some support on
brian's side for the challenge
cah1201: anybody here? lol
Puck8268: here..
Pinter311: I think they're just listening...I'll wait
till your finished
cah1201: well...thats most of it...in an effort to
stir things up like brian wanted-i probably
went a little over the top...but the personal
attacks from both sides sure didnt help our
relationship
cah1201: i actually have enjoyed this league
more than i thought i would...
Pinter311: You mind if I respond?
cah1201: not at all
Pinter311: Well, first of all, I understand and
respect your position
Pinter311: You were asked to shake up the
league...and you did just that...you certainly
shook me up
cah1201: oh i noticed ;-)
Pinter311: The truth is, you didn't make a very
good name for yourself from what I
observed...you came off as a loudmouth and
that's how I responded
Pinter311: That's why I didn't want to do the
challenge...I didn't want to give you the
satisfaction
Pinter311: I deal with people from all walks of
life every day...and when someone gets up in
my face like that, my first response is to put
THEM back on THEIR heels like you put
me back on mine
Pinter311: Don't get me wrong, I don't go
around insulting people all the time...but you
initiated a response in me that looking back
was wrong and uncalled for
Pinter311: I don't want to turn this into a
love-fest here or anything...because it's
obvious that we both have a lot of
pride...but you made an apology to me and
so I'll do the same out of respect for you
suziesmilz: ok..i need to read all
this...sorry..got really busy
cah1201: yeah...i didnt appreciate nor
anticipate that kind of attack out of the gate
Pinter311: I'm sorry I reacted the way that I
did...it wasn't good for you or the league
cah1201: i like to talk...but as brian can attest
and you have noticed-i can usually back it
up
Pinter311: And it wasn't indicative of me as a
competitor nor as a person
Pinter311: I'm sure we simply both got the
wrong idea of each other...and we needed
to clear that up here and now
cah1201: sometimes that rubs people the
wrong way...usually i just hear it back and its
all good-but you sure took a different
approach :-)
Pinter311: I don't really know how to respond
to that, but here goes...
Pinter311: I take this league very
personally...my peers named me owner of
the year in just my second year in it...and I
know how I started off...I kept my mouth
shut and earned the respect of the other
owners
cah1201: like i said...i dont have any problem
with you as a person...
Pinter311: But when I saw someone who was
in the position that I was once in, and NOT
taking that same approach, I lost
respect...I'm sure you can understand that
Pinter311: And so I took it personally
cah1201: i agree on the wrong idea of each
other-i tried to say that too you earlier but
you were still too mad to listen
cah1201: ah...i see now
Pinter311: I'm sure we're probably closer in
mindset than we both realize...at least on
some things...most of which are related to
this league
cah1201: no doubt...its obvious you know alot
about the game
Pinter311: And your track record speaks for
itself
Pinter311: Or so I'm told
cah1201: i think another error i made was
thinking this league was used to the
smack...coming from 3 football leagues and
my own baseball league-im used to the
smack...
cah1201: but pwb obviously was a little more
tranquil...
Pinter311: I think we're used to smack...if it's
within reason...or maybe we're just not used
to it on the level you brought to the table
cah1201: fair enough....if you compare the two
forums-quite a contrast i think
Pinter311: I don't know the nature of your
other leagues but I like to think we're a
closer-knit group than most leagues that sign
up people based on competition and not
things outside of fantasy sports
Pinter311: I'm sure you see that in the football
version
Puck8268: is that a knock on my dad?
Puck8268: lol
Pinter311: No....it could be a knock on
anybody...we finished last season with the
same record, remember
Puck8268: I know.. lol, you can crack on him
all you want.. after what he's pulling in the
Mock Draft..
Pinter311: But you made my point for me...I
don't know many other leagues where ALL
of the relationships are as close as this one
Pinter311: er, these ones
suziesmilz: totally.
Pinter311: I'll make one more point and then I
think that'll be it for me...I can only talk for
so long
Pinter311: Not to say I won't listen to anything
else you need to say
cah1201: go ahead....i just wanted an
opportunity to hear both sides
suziesmilz: i am in several other leagues..and i
don't enjoy them anywhere near as much as i
do anything pwfsi related
Pinter311: But the last thing I'll say is that I
don't hold grudges with people I'm
around...I can't...if someone makes me mad
enough to hold a grudge against them, I'll
eliminate them from my life
Pinter311: But if I'm in a situation where I
have to be around people...whether it's
work, my neighbors, or this league...I refuse
to hold a grudge...I'd rather talk about the
situation and come to some understanding
cah1201: understandable...
Pinter311: I'd rather make my point known
and do my best to respect the other person's
point...hell, listening to other people's points
is what I do for a living
cah1201: im not one to hold grudges either...i
dont have many people that dislike me-thats
why i found it strange the way we started out
Pinter311: So...having listened to your
side...and explaining mine to you...my
conclusion is that the best thing for us to do
is start over...because I'd like to forget about
the things that cast each of us in a bad light
for the other
cah1201: i dont have a problem with that...like
i said-i respect you as a very good
competitor- as long as you no longer mean
those personal attacks....im ok
Pinter311: But ask Sue...when I get riled up, I
like to yell...and I know I set myself up to
get shit thrown back at me...but when all is
said and done, it's just words...and I'd like
to take that attitude with you if you're willing
cah1201: well brian can probably attest to
this...but when people get riled up and set
themselves up-im usually the guy that
capitalizes :-)
cah1201: too me...its all in good fun and i think
most people understand that
Pinter311: Well for me, this was an argument
that went on far too long for me...I didn't
want to say or do something that would
jeopardize what people like Brian have
worked hard to build up
suziesmilz: he does get riled good...bob and i
had it out a while back..but we are cool.
Pinter311: It's tough arguing with someone for
16 weeks
cah1201: alot of the time i purposely talk to try
to get people more involved in the
league...
Although this was not the total end converstation, both later agreed to shake hands. The converstation was left on good terms and a lighthearted note. Many in the league should learn the lesson that these two learned this night. If you have a disagreement, maybe it is just something that can be simply worked out by sitting down at the table and talking about it.
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