It's all fun and games until the cops raid the wrong house based on a bad tip and get shot at by the homeowner
This is like an episode of Scooby-Doo gone horribly wrong.
FTA: Khang, 34, and his wife, Yee Moua, told reporters that they thought intruders had broken into their home.
You thought right, intruders did break into your home.
FTA: Khang said he grabbed the shotgun from a closet and fired three shots out his bedroom door. When his sons yelled at him that the intruders were actually police, he put down his gun and put his hands in the air.
There are so many ways this could have gone wrong.
Oddly enough, a neighbor reports 20-30 shots fired. The only actual hits were by the home owner with a shotgun. This SWAT team is seriously lacking in a number of ways. Are they the A-team? And people laugh when I tell them that cops are the worst shots ever.
Note where the police department spokesman's concern lies. No apology to the victims. No regret for nearly killing a man, or for spraying bullets all over the home where an innocent family lay sleeping. No, this incident is "unfortunate" because "we have officers that were hit by gunfire."
Note too that police claim they announced themselves, but no one in the house apparently heard them. Mr. Khang did nothing wrong, and isn't being charged. He isn't a criminal, and has no reason to lie.
So why is it that in so many of these cases, police claim they announced, but no one inside or outside seems to hear them? It's because the "announcement" often comes as the door is coming down, if it comes at all. Of course, even if there is an announcement, it doesn't do much good if it comes in the middle of the night, while the people inside are asleep in a backroom or on the second floor. Such scenarios effectively erase any real difference between a "knock-and-announce" and a "no-knock" raid.
If you�re sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down. Now imagine you're asleep when all of this is happening. The whole purpose of the middle-of-the-night raid is to catch the suspect off-guard. Why would police make a clear, full-throated announcement if the intent is surprise?
The catch-22 comes when the suspect, like Mr. Khang justifiably feels threatened and acts in self-defense. Then "we need the element of surprise," dubiously morphs into, "They should have known we were the police."
It can't be both, as evidenced by the accumulating pile of bodies resulting from these unfortunate tactics.
Why the harsh commando-style raid anyway? They weren't tipped that someone was being held hostage or that a gunman was targeting people in the street or some other immediate danger situation. Why not stake out the home, and arrest the guy in broad daylight when the opportunity presents itself? There was no urgently pressing issue that needed them to blitz the home.
Doing that would involve actual work, and wouldn't be as much fun as getting out all the SWAT gear and kicking down doors like a castle siege or something.
That would have worked for David Koresh, David Koresh was known to go jogging alone every day on the same stretch of dirt road. Two deputies and a squad car could have easily served that warrant. Instead they sent an army and loads of people lost their lives.
The fact that Vang hasn't been charged with anything (thankfully) is, to me, the most damning indicator of police inncompetence. They are vindictive fuckholes, and if they could charge him for shooting them they would. Since they haven't, that is an indicator that they fucked up royally and don't dare make a stink.
I cannot help but wonder what unflattering details might be revealed in open court which prevented the cops from charging Mr Khang.
Anyhow, I'm very surprised that Mr Khang isn't being charged with a slew of very serious offenses and railroaded by the local DA (which seems to be the normal procedure in these cases). He should count himself very lucky, all things considered.
It's interesting that I live in a country that is so accepting of criminal behavior that someone would criticize a guy for defending his family against armed intruders.
A person who is not conducting any illegal affairs has no reason to expect that the police will kick in his door. Even if this sort of thing does happen from time to time it is more common to be surprised, think it's a violent act, and respond with force. Anyone kicking in my door can expect violence right up until they are identified properly.
And, furthermore, why should I believe that a gang of armed, masked thugs breaking down my door in the middle of the the night are "the good guys" even if the are yelling "POLICE"? I'm surprised armed criminals haven't changed their tactics to take advantage of this...
I fully back up the actions by the home owner to protect his family against intruders. I would do the same in his situation.
Most people realize we don't live in a perfect world, but the overwhelming consensus is, no matter how many well executed and successful raids by police, one bad one is too many.
The reason bad raids should be publicized is so they take every possible means to avoid mistakes like this, even if at the cost of "not getting the criminal."
Yep, Another Isolated Incident.
I'm surprised Mr. Khang wasn't found hanging in his jail cell, dead from an apparent suicide.
Brief response to the obvious type of replies:
What if, some jack ass kid was breaking in, all he wanted was some money. Knowingly taking the risk of getting killed is stupid, but would that jack ass kid deserve to be killed?
Should the homeowner stop and ask the guy if he is armed, and what his intentions are? Anyone breaking into an occupied home has plans for dealing with the occupants. I'd rather not find out what they are, but there's no reason to believe that such a crook values the lives of the homeowners more than the property he wants to steal. The home owner has a duty to protect his family.
I think the jack ass shouldn't break the law to begin with. He's playing Russian Roulette by entering a home, no matter what his intentions are. I don't like the idea of just letting some individual that just wanted money wander around taking what he wants. I worked for what I own, he didnt. "Theif" isn't a legitimate career choice.
Sorry if you feel it is ok to just sit back and let the someone take what he wants, and then hope the police catch him.
Break into my home and I will use lethal force if needed but I will not hide in my own home and hope that you wont decide that a living witness is bad.
Would there be a market in affordable ways to harden a house. Reinforced doors, ect, anything to delay the police or to get them to double check to make sure they have the right address.
From what I understand about human nature, the harder it is for the cops to get in, the meaner they'll be once they succeed.
What ever happened to detectives who are supposed to investigate crimes? Really, how hard can it be to find out if there are children in the house before they pull this crap?"
Or even to find out, ya know, if it's the right house.
Im kind of surprised that vests stopped rifle fire? Must have either been a whimpy rifle, or the door slowed it down considerably more than I would have expected.
Not if the vests were enhanced with Small Arms Protective Inserts (SAPI) or the Enhanced kind (ESAPI). The manufacturer claims the plates are capable of stopping a round the size of a .308 Winchester (7.62 for you NATO-nerds).
Vang Khang grabbed his "Hunting gun" - It doesn't say rifle. It actually says "He took out his shotgun (RTFA).
Rifle rounds zip through soft armor - shotgun and pistol rounds do not.
Vang was using birdshot. Birdshot doesn't get much penetration. You're basically firing a collection of BBs. It's designed for things like ducks.
Use shotgun slugs, although these don't always penetrate body armor the blunt trauma can prove fatal.
Everything that has sufficient power for self defence overpenetrates through walls.
Advice is dependant on your own personal situation. If you live in a trailer, apartment, or soft-sided house, you may decide overpenetration is more of a liability than falling victem to kevlar-clad thugs.
The North Hollywood BOA shootout began a trend for many departments to switch from shotguns and subguns to 5.56 carbines, due to their ability to penetrate soft armor. As a homeowner, you might think to do the same.
S & W .500 magnum 5 shot revolver. Aim for the cup. They may live, but they wont walk, procreate, defecate or strongarm an innocent again.
And such irresponsibility and lack of concern for safety! To blindly fire a shotgun three times in a house that has his wife and six kids in it!
2/3 hits not firing blindly.
0/30 hits = firing blindly.
He hit the cops twice. Aside from that, shotguns are preferable for home defense because they don't over-penetrate nearly as much- ie, less chance you'll shoot through a wall, or if you do shoot through a wall, it won't be nearly as lethal.
uhh Im pretty sure that when he started shooting it was long after he knew where the rest of his family was in the house. I doubt he just blind fired, this isnt the movies.