Does the Bible teach the doctrine of Sola Scriptura?
First Rebuttal
Moses Flores
There are several things that need to be responded to before I continue to give more basis to the formulation of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, so I will get to those quickly, and if space permits, I will addend to my opening statement.
First, you
said, “If after
reading scripture and coming to the true interpretation of a certain text or portion
of the text, a person might write out the interpretation for others. Now if
this was actually the real and true understanding of the Bible, would [it] be
wrong to consider handing down that teaching to future generations?”
The
first thing that has to be noted here is that this is NOT what the Roman
Catholic Church teaches concerning what “sacred tradition” is. It would be nice if they did for it would
further the case for the sufficiency of Scripture vs. the supplementality of
sacred tradition in order to understand Scripture. Let me explain.
As
shown with references to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), the
Magisterium teaches that Sacred Tradition is a supplementary body of revelation
that exists apart from Sacred
Scripture. Together with Scripture,
these form the “Word of God” in its totality.
According to
I
would even argue that this is what has been done in things like Creeds and
Confession, like the Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed, etc…These historic
creeds have carried along the “true interpretation” of the Deity of Christ and
the Trinity. However, it is not the case
that we could not know such doctrines were it not for these “true
interpretations”. I think any fair
reading of the Nicene Fathers would reveal that they appealed to Scripture as
the basis for their belief in these doctrines.
Hence, I don’t have a problem with what you say as “tradition” and
neither do some of the early fathers.
In
fact, many of the fathers use the term “tradition” to describe their
understandings of Scripture. For
instance, within the writings of Tertullian, he makes reference to a
“tradition”:
“They obtained the promised power of the Holy Ghost for the gift of miracles and of utterance; and after first bearing witness to the faith in Jesus Christ throughout Judea, and founding churches (there), they next went forth into the world and preached the same doctrine of the same faith to the nations. They then in like manner founded churches in every city, from which all the other churches, one after another, derived the tradition of the faith, and the seeds of doctrine, and are every day deriving them, that they may become churches…From what and through whom, and when, and to whom, has been handed down that rule, by which we become Christians.[1]”
This faith that was “handed down” (traditioned) were the essential doctrines “by which men become Christians.[2]” They were the common teachings of all the apostles which they took through the world in their proclamation of Christ. Such faith is not able to be added to as it was already defined. Tertullian said, “This rule of faith, indeed, is altogether one, immovable and irreformable.[3]” Thus, this “tradition” that Tertullian spoke of is not something that has grown or developed, neither is it something that can be added to or deleted from. It should also be noted that this “tradition” is not something different from the content that is found in the Scriptures. Indeed all essential teachings of the apostles are confirmed in Scripture (cf. II Tim. 3:14-16, II Peter 3:16). William Webster points out that “the content of Scripture and the teaching of the rule of faith are identical.[4]” He further states that the rule of faith consisted of “the primary doctrines that make up the creed pertaining to the three persons of the Trinity and the judgment to come[5]. All these teachings are founded in Scripture, and, thus, Scripture is able to serve as the foundation of this “tradition” that Tertullian and the other fathers refer to.
I certainly could quote a few more fathers with similar references, but I want to save that for a later exchange dealing with the fathers and their view of Scripture and tradition.
Second, you
said, “This
message would need to be handed down because of the simple fact that many
others might mis-interpret the scriptures and thereby spread a less than true
understanding of them.” Now, by “handed down” I assume that you mean
passed on orally. Frankly this seems a
bit odd that one would “orally transmit” the “true interpretation” for fear of
misinterpreting the Scriptures from which they came. It strikes me as odd that the Scriptures were
written down for their preservation but not this “true interpretation”. The reasoning is odd, because wouldn’t one
want to actually protect the source of the interpretations rather than the
interpretations? That is, if it is
Scripture which yielded the interpretations, wouldn’t it make more sense to
protect them from being corrupted and changed (as has been the case) than the
“true interpretations” which could always be reproduced from the source?
This statement of yours would also seem to have to
presuppose some things about Scripture.
One would have to presuppose that the Scriptures are not clear enough
that they need a “true interpretation”.
That is, we would have to suppose that the Scriptures are obscure and
veiled. But then that would mean that
they are not “revelation” at all. That
is, revelation is understood as an unveiling, a pulling back of the curtain to
show what was previously hidden. If the
Scriptures are not clear, then in what sense are they revelation if they are at
all in such a view? I’m not sure that
you are willing to go down that road, but it would seem to be the case that
this is what must be supposed if the Scriptures need a “true interpretation”
beyond themselves in order to be truly understood.
Then you said,
“Doesn’t scripture itself create the need
of a true interpretation?” Again, this is only true if one
presupposes that Scripture, in and of itself, is not really revelation but
needs a “decoder” as it were, to come to the true knowledge of what it really
says. But then doesn’t this put the
Roman Catholic Church in the same hermeneutical position as the early Gnostic
heresy? They too had claimed a “secret
knowledge” to truly understand the Scriptures.
The Gnostics claimed that Scripture alone was insufficient for
salvation. The Gnostics even claimed
that only a minority of people had been handed down this knowledge. If Scripture claims to be the word of God,
and God’s word is still obscure, what does that say about God? How is
You
alluded to the “thousands upon thousands
of different interpretations of the Bible”.
While I certainly disagree with the exaggeration, I will grant it for
now. First of all, the misuse of
Scripture doesn’t necessarily preclude its sufficiency or supremacy. It is true that the Bible has been misused
and abused, but Peter spoke of this in His second letter in 3:16. He said that “untaught and unstable” (NKJV)
or “ignorant and unstable” men “twist the scriptures to their own destruction.” I certainly agree that the Bible has been
misused. But what gives the Roman
Catholic Church, the right to declare herself to be the infallible interpreter
of Scripture? What makes her claims
stronger than those the Eastern Orthodox Church (which has existed longer)? What gives
Allow me
to show that
Next, you
state a hypothetical situation in which you suppose that books are taken out of
the Scriptures and ask if Scripture would still contain enough? I don’t wish to respond to this hypothetical
situation because that’s what it is; hypothetical. Secondly, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is
not based on “some Scripture” but predicated on “all Scripture”, which are all
those writings that are “God-breathed” (cf. 2 Tim. 3:16). As stated, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is
that Scripture alone – all Scripture – contains the sufficient knowledge that
one needs in order to be saved and to live a godly life. The hypothetical, quite frankly, presupposes
a different definition of Sola Scriptura which I cannot answer.
Concerning
the issue of the canon, I am going to address that in another exchange as space
is fleeting.
Concerning
your remarks to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 I can only say it only seems obvious that you
did not really examine or engage with the exegesis that I provided. You say that all Timothy knew was the Old
Testament. I agree! I stated that plainly. You also said that Paul probably had
reference to the Old Testament in 3:15.
Again, I agree and plainly stated that!
And I also agreed with Paul who said that those Scriptures, the Old
Testament, were “able to make one wise unto salvation through faith which is in
Christ Jesus,” to which I concluded Paul’s statement of the sufficiency of the
Old Testament to lead to salvation. If
the Old Testament was sufficient to do that, how much more with the New
Testament! Hence, the shift in verse 16
from the Old Testament Scriptures, which were clearly known, to the universal
categorical, “all scripture”. All
Scripture is God-breathed, speaking of the nature of Scripture and how we
identify it. This will be dealt with a
bit more in the issue of the canon.
Suffice it
to say, there was no serious interaction at all with the exegesis to which I
was seriously disappointed. As it is,
then, my exegesis stands unrefuted grammatically and syntactically. Questions don’t refute arguments. Flaws in the logic do as well as truth value
of the statements. I have certainly
provided much in context on 2 Timothy 3:16 as well as grammar and syntax, and
even basic word meanings. Thus, I have
dealt with the text of the Scripture to allow it to speak for itself.
Concerning
the latter part of your response, on “who the Word of God is” I don’t think we
have any qualms about that. We certainly
agree that Jesus Christ is the eternal logos of God and we agree of the role of
the Spirit. I don’t think this is the
issue at all.
I hope we can engage in our
discussion topic for that is what we disagree on.
I did not have time to engage with the Fathers as I wanted too, and I still have to engage with the issue of the formation of the canon of Scripture which I am certainly looking forward to doing. I pray that this discussion continues to be fruitful to us both and that we can come to at the very least, a clearer understanding of our faiths. In Christ’s name. Amen.
[1] A.N.F., vol. III, Prescription against heretics, 20, 19
[2] The
interesting question that can be raised at this point is what these doctrine
were and did they include the de fide
Dogmas that were defined for the first
time in the Council of Trent (such as the Canon, Justification and the
Sacraments), the Institution of the Papacy (as defined by Unum Santum in 1308), Papal Infallibility (as defined at Vatican I
in 1870), the Marian Dogmas (such as the Immaculate conception dogmatically
defined in 1854 and the Assumption dogmatically defined in 1950)? Of course, if Tertullian’s use of tradition
didn’t include those teachings then we can truly say that
[3] A.N.F., Veiling of Virgins, 1
[4] Webster, William, Holy Scripture, pg. 40
[5]
ibid. This point also was obvious to me
as I read The Deposit of Faith: What the Catholic Church really believes by
Eugene Kevane (Author House Publishing,