Yadava Difficulties?
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:10:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Ajit patel" <[email protected]>
Subject: Hey
To: [email protected]
Hey Prakash,
What the hell are you thinking of your self, you don't know anything about Indian history and talking nonsence about our hindu culture and Yadava's. You better mind your words posted on your website at geocities.com
Once agian I'm telling you, you are sick guy with no knowledge of indian history and simply posting some crap on web about Hindusim and Yadava's. Take care not to do this kind of stupid work.
- Raj
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:07:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Ajit patel" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hey
To: "P.J.M." <[email protected]>
Hey, What do you mean by OR ELSE? . This shows that you are doing this dirty work intentionally.
There's no need for me to tell what will happen, its nature Phenomenon that Every Action has Equal Opposite Reaction and you will get it that way for sure for what you are doing and remember that due to sick please like you history and glory of Indian history won't change. If you are human just know this don't ever try to abuse other religions or community.
-Raj
--- "P.J.M." wrote:
> OR ELSE?
>
> Ajit patel wrote: Hey Prakash,
>
> What the hell are you thinking of your self, you...
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:19:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: "P.J.M." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hey
To: "Ajit patel" <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]
A COMPLETE STRANGER WRITES TO ME, ALLEGING UNSPECIFIED OBJECTIONABLE MATTER IN MY PAGES AND MAKING AT LEAST TWO GENERAL THREATS, AND SO I RESPOND: OR ELSE?
I MAKE NO APOLOGIES. THE ALLEGATION THAT THIS IS THEREFORE PROOF OF INTENTIONAL INTENT TO OFFEND IS STUPID AND THEREFORE I DISREGARD THE SAME.
AS FOR CONSEQUENCES, SINCE I SERVE GOD AND TRUTH IN THE WAR AGAINST FALSEHOOD AND FALSE, MAN MADE "gods" I HAVE NO REASON TO FEAR ANY.
P.J.M.
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:13:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: "P.J.M." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: A Request to You, Prakash!
To: "VINOD YADAV" <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]
Kindly specify exact pages with exact text that is found to be wrong; further kindly specify how they are wrong. Upon receipt of the same, matter will be considered and action taken as necessary, if necessary.
Also please feel free to correct any factual error regarding origin of the Yadavas or any other factual error, on the same basis as above.
Christianity is not some mushy feel goody kind of thing that disregards fundamental truths. On the contrary, Christianity is first of all about the truth and then about love for one's neighbour.
The sum of Christianity is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul; love your neighbour as yourself."
P.J.M.
VINOD YADAV <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi PRAKASH JOHN MASCARENHAS,
I just visited you website and found some interesting details about Hindutva and Yadavs. Well, since I think I belong to both of the two, besides many others (I often visit Churches and participate in prayers, and I have many friends who are priests and pastors), I find some of the references, that you have made, don't truly reflect our faiths/feelings as Hindus/Yadavs. In fact they hurt very much and as I get some reactions from my friends/acquaintances/ some unknowns, there is a growing unease among them (us) about your comments. Could you please do us a favor and remove it from your pages. As long as I know Christianity has/taches deep respect for every one and this is unbecoming of a good christian and a disciple of Jesus Christ.
With Kind Regards,
Your Brother
Vinod Yadav
Dallas
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:00:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "VINOD YADAV" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: A Request to You, Prakash!
To: "P.J.M." <[email protected]>
Parkash,
Thanks for your quick response. We believe you should know, if you have written it. Anyway just for your knowledge we are referring to last three paragraphs of following webpage.
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/indianroots.html
I am attaching the history of Yadavas with this email for your kind reference. But arguments about factual error apart, it is foremost important that we must respect for each other's faith. You could easily glorify your faith and Jesus Christ, without belittling a nation, religion or community and their faith. Moreover,The Lord and Jesus don't need any glorification from me and you. At this moment, more than anything else, we need an unprecedented cooperation and unity among ourselves.
So we request you to please remove these comments.
Vinod
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:53:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rajeev Yadav" <[email protected]>
Subject: History
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Dear Prakash,
I have been informed that a website has an article from you which has some defamatory remarks about yadava origin.
I have also read the mail which you sent Mr Vinod Yadav wherein you have asked him to clarify why you should change your stand.
My question to you is "Can you give the reference to some historical journal, book or any other authentic source from where you have gathered such information".
I and all the Yadav kin throughout the world have reason to feel pain and anguish after reading your article about the yadava origin.
I am sure the article contains some inadvertent errors which you have overlooked.
Could you please clarify so that the matter is cleared for once and for all.
Best Regards
Rajeev Yadav
From: "Hitendra Yadav." <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: History
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:23:16 +0000
Mr Prakash,
As every one wrote, I am not going in detail. Please remove all
inadvertent errors as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Hitendra Yadav
West Columbia SC USA
Office :803-939-2234
Email :[email protected]
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rajeev Yadav" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: [yadav_worldfamily] Re: History
To:[email protected]
CC:[email protected]
Dear Prakash,
Your silence on this issue is not understood.
You must understand that even Yadavas have been at the receiving end of Hinduism. Hinduism only benefits the Brahmans and associated classes.
You should sympathise with the Yadavas and their cause as we have always fought for communal harmony. As you would have noticed Mulayam and Laloo both opposed the regious fundamentalism of VHP/BJP when the Ayodhya issue was raised- in fact Advani and others were even arrested.
In light of above facts as well as my earlier mail to you, I am sure you are now convinced and you will remove the highly objectionable passage on yadavas. Your apologies on this matter would be acceptable to us, as we are also good at forgiving.
Please reply at the earliest.
Regards
Rajeev Yadav
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:34:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: "P.J.M." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [yadav_worldfamily] Re: History
To: "Rajeev Yadav" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "Hitendra Yadav" <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]
Mr Rajeev Yadav & Co.,
It will be appreciated if you will permit me some time in order to make a considered reply... unless you wish for a hasty reply.
I will reply to every relevant point in time.
P.J.M.
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:33:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "P.J.M."
Subject: History
To: "Rajeev Yadav"
CC: [email protected]
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your recent message.
I was working on a surmise as to where your exact difficulties lay, and had drafted out a response, before finalising it. However, your latest letter has changed all that - I have to probably abandon my surmise as incorrect.
I now realize that I do not actually know what is the precise difficulties which you have with my page. I would therefore like you to kindly specify what your difficulties are, so that I can address them.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
P.J.M.
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:42:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rajeev Yadav"
Subject: History
To: "P.J.M."
Dear Prakash,
I am referring to the following points in your article.
- Yadavas originated from Krishna as illegitimate children.
- Later Krishna slew most of the Yadavas.
Please note that Krishna was one of the Yadavas and Yadavas have originated from King Yayati's son Yadu. Krishna was born many generations after Yadu. So, item no1 above is incorrect. If otherwise, kindly inform your source of information.
After the Mahabharata, there was a great war amongst the Yadavas and many of them were killed. Krishna and Balarama were also involved in this war. So item 2 could be termed as partially correct but it has no relevance to your article.
Further I would like mention as follows:
You have denounced Hinduism and Hindus in your article. Perhaps you imply Brahmanism (Hinduism) and Brahmans (Hindus). It is common sense that only Brahmans enjoy Hinduism because they are dictating all the terms. (Simply because they have declared that they are caste no. 1.)
Perhaps you have got carried away in your reaction to Hinduism (Brahmanism) and you made a global criticism of every thing which is non-Christian.
In modern day history (Indian history books in school) nowhere it is mentioned about the glorious Yadavas. The Brahmans have manipulated history in such a way that even we Yadavas have become unaware of the truth. I do not agree to your statement that "Hinduism" propagates this opinion about all mankind originating from the Yadavas. In fact Hinduism (Brahmanism) says that all mankind originated from various body parts of Brahma!
I hope you will understand my intention and delete the incorrect parts in your article.
Regards
Rajeev Yadav
Dear Sir,
Regarding your two points:
I have clearly distinguished between the illegitimate Yadavs born of Krishna's extramarital relations with the gopis, and the legitimate Yadavs; further that after the Yadava Civil War, and Krishna's killing of a great many of them, the rest of these illegitimate Yadavs fled outside of India, and that all non=Indians are descended from these refugees.
I have been informed by different sources that this is what Hinduism believes and teaches. I had read this in a number of papers and books, but unfortunately, I did not then keep any with me. I have started the habit of collecting hard copy proofs only in the last ten years or so.
In the last ten years, I had a colleague, a Hindu Brahmin from UP who told me substantially the same thing. I can only say that his surname is Mishra, and beyond that cannot reveal his identity. He is presently employed in Andheri, Bombay.
I am aware that Hinduism claims that all mankind originated from the body parts of Brahma; latter, from the survivors, under Manu, of the Great Deluge, etc. Those claims are not logically inconsistent with the latter claim regarding the Yadava origins of all non-Indians...
It is my intention to consult a person who is learned on this subject. He is a half-Jew and half-Hindu Brahmin, and a US citizen and a medical doctor, who converted to Catholicism.
I also intend to look up the subject in the libraries to which I have access in Bombay.
Yours sincerely,
Prakash John Mascarenhas
To be continued...