Hatcheting Mr. Lorenz…
And His One-Man Circus

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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:12:05 +0100 (BST)
From: "Prax Maskaren"
Subject: Pope Michael
To: "Hans F. Lorenz"
CC: [email protected], "Pope Michael"

Dear Mr. Lorenz,

The Turco-Slovakian peasant from Bukovina, some-where-in-East-Europe, Prax Maskaren, salutes your Awesomeness, the Lord Grand High Patriarch-Primate-Catholicos-Metropolitan-Archbishop-Darth-Vader and Mugwump-in-General of Alice-in-Blunderland, and humbly begs leave to write to you as follows:

For starters, you leave me with the persistent feeling that you are NOT all there.

However, beggars must not be choosers, and we must be satisfied by the Court-Jester of Traditionalism, at the least.

1. You call yourself a Catholic Bishop but care nothing for Common Courtesy and for the Christian requirement for Charity and Justice.

You will remember that you had written to make accusations of fraud against H.H. Pope Michael I and that I had asked you to either substantiate or to withdraw those claims. You failed to do.

As I was obliged to, I then forwarded those libels to H.H. Pope Michael.

H.H. Pope Michael and Mrs. T. Stanfill-Benns wrote you asking for substantiation or withdrawal, but again you refuse to answer.

You have a strict obligation to Christian Charity and Justice to do this what we three asked you, and not because we asked, but because you owe it before God.

Nevertheless, you insolently ignore this, and pompously inflict yourself and your idiotic 'ideas' on us, and you expect us to take you seriously?

2. You assert that women could not legitimately participate in the election of H.H. Pope Michael and that therefore his election is nullified.

As is usual with you, you talk through your hat, proudly flaunting and reveling in your ignorance.

Christianity does not admit women to the Sacred Ministry, and forbids them to speak, preach, prophesy, etc., in Church and during the Sacred Public Liturgy of the Church.

However, Christianity not only does not forbid the participation of women in the normal activities of the Church, such as the Sacred Liturgy, but actually demands that they participate, as much as men are required to.

Now, because a normal Conclave is composed of Cardinals who are necessarily clerics, there cannot be in a normal Conclave any woman.

Likewise, if the pope had been elected by an Acephalous Ecumenical Council, such as those of Pisa and of Constance, which Council is also necessarily composed of bishops - a category that necessarily excludes women, no woman could legitimately participate in such a Council.

However, in the case at hand, the assembly was not legally a Conclave of Cardinals, as such, nor an Ecumenical Council, but purely and merely an assembly of the laity.

And as such there is no basis for excluding women.

If we were to admit your assertion that women could not attend one such assembly, then by extension we must understand that they cannot be present and participate in assemblies celebrating the Holy Mass either. The same rationale holds in both cases.

Obviously, you are just being pompous and asinine, as usual.

3. Again, even if we exclude the three women, and if we count only the four men, the action is still valid and binding in conscience on all who would be Catholics, with all the usual penalties for refusal.

This is because the organizers of this assembly set out to notify all the Catholics they were aware of, and invited them all to attend and to participate, and in their failure, those who did attend were legally fully within their rights to proceed nevertheless and to fulfil their obligation by electing the pope.

4. You will remember that I had objected to your taking Pharisaical Scandal at the participation of women in the good standing of the Church when you yourself arrogantly and contemptuously put yourself forward to receive Orders at the hands of heretics and sectarians.

That objection remains, and you have in nowise addressed it.

Nor do I seriously expect any genuine answer: You are not only self-important, but you are also a brazen hypocrite!

You make a big show of being concerned about Tradition; then you go off contemning the Church and fraternising with heretics and schismatics. Why should we, who spent so much energy in rejecting and avoiding the Antichuch and its Modernist heretics, do as you suggest and fraternize with Old-Catholics and Protestants?

5. You assert that you are not an Old-Catholic. I say: Fine, prove it!

You will remember that you had taken the initiative of writing me a letter and in that letter you had put forward the Old-Catholic line. When I asked you, you did not bother to reply.

It seems that Mr. Gordon Bateman is personally acquainted with you, and he says that you did go over to the Old-Catholics in Switzerland and solicit and receive Orders from them.

In the light of the above, I ask: How are we to take your bald assertion that you are NOT an Old-Catholic?

6. You claim that you are a Catholic Bishop. Be assured that if this is so, we would be more than glad to have you amongst ourselves and would receive you with open arms.

It is therefore required of you to prove this claim.

I have already written in refutation of the claims you made about the non-existent and duplicate Mr. Joseph Zhong Huai-De or Pius XIV at http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/morezhong.html, and await your response.

7. Typically, some chap will procure 'consecration' from some Old Catholic clown of a 'bishop' for a fee of about fifty or so dollars, and then he will go and found some fantastic sounding church of himself, his pet dog, his pet cat and his dike; then name himself Senior Bishop, Archbishop, Ethnarch, Eparch, Metropolitan, Catholicos, Primate, Patriarch, Grand High Mugwump, etc., etc.

I was wondering about that long string of degrees you flaunt: "STD, ThD, DD, CD". Now, as if you were not 'learned' enough, you add a LTh. Woe is me! Your sheer academic brillance blinds me!

This ignoramus can recognize just a few of your innumerable - and Impressive! - list of degrees: ThD, Doctor of Theology, and DD, Doctor of Divinity.

Awkwardly, the only STD and CD I am aware of are Sexually Transmitted Diseases and Computer Disc. Sad, the ignorance of this peasant.

You must have spent about two to three decades of hard and rigorous studying in some prestigious universities to have acquired such a distinguished list of degrees, right Herr Professor Doktor Hans von Lorenz, PhD., MD., DLitt, MArch., etc., etc.?

I beg you to kindly lay-off poor Academia, or poor peasants like me aren't going to get a chance to get some piffling degree or the other, what with you monopolizing the whole lot.

(I think I had better lay off a while at this point, Your Richness, or I am going to die laughing off in the aisle.)

It is typical of sects and their leaders to be pompous and to outdo each other in attributing the most ridiculously high-sounding titles to themselves.

This attitude recall that of a class of men who stood at street-corners blowing horns to attract public attention before strewing alms to beggars, widows, orphans, etc.

A simple, sober and unpretentious Msgr. or Bishop is insufficient to puff up your ego and to impress fools, so a long list of titles is necessary.

I notice that where you flaunt a long list of degrees and titles, other more mainstream and sober clerics, such as Robert McKenna, Pivarunas, Oravec, Dolan, Sanborn, Taylor, Sebastian, etc., etc., do not. May I ask why?

Are you more intelligent and studied than they are?

You come across to me as a rather pompous and idiotic ignoramus - ignorant of the most basic history, facts and of reason.

How is this possible when you are the Jewel of Academia?

Or did you purchase those degrees?

8. In your recent letter, you give yet another evidence of your fabulous ignorance: Your extra-ordinary claim that "At the time (of H.H. Pope Innocent II) there were only a small amount of Catholics, maybe 25,000 or 50,000 in all, and they all lived within about 300 to 500 miles distance from the Mediterranean Sea. "

I am awed: Where do you get these brainwaves?

Forgive this ignorant peasant asking you, but are you sure that those "25,000 or 50,000" didn't all live in a duck pond?

9. I do not know where you got this fantastic idea that all those Pentecostals and Crackmatics are all secret Traditionalists under their shirts.

10. And these "5000 priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals etc."

Excuse me: Can I go get myself an umbrella? It is raining clergymen!

Are you sure that that "5000" is not a typo? Shouldn't it be 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000?

11. "We need to stop all the name calling, and to look at the faith of the person, not their qualifications, or their justification."

We do not care for name-calling, unless it is (sometimes) necessary - like our Lord calling your forefathers 'A brood of vipers'.

Nor are we concerned much about a persons qualifications - which is why we are not obsessed with having a long list of titles and degrees behind our names! We will bother about a man's qualifications only when it is pertinent to the issue.

But we certainly make it our business to look at the faith of a person and the justification for his beliefs, etc., as the Church requires.

We refuse to have anything to do with heretics as heretics, though we extend them full Christian Charity that seeks their salvation.

12. Poor me. I was not at all aware that it was name calling etc that provoked the poor mocked Protestants to rebel and revolt against the mocking Catholic Church.

You do have a habit of talking through your hat, don't you?

13. Lastly, it would make more sense for you to change that hypocritical "Your brother in Jesus & St. Francis" to a more appropriate "Your brother in Pinochio and the Brothers Grimm."

And while on it, might I suggest that your vocation would be better served if you turned yourself over to the Walt Disney Co as a Cartoon Bishop? Believe me, you will certainly find your true calling there and your job satisfaction too.

Playing the Court-Jester to Catholic Traditionalism is a pretty unrewarding job.
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However, to come back to serious issues: I would like to once again warn you that the course you are following is going to precipitate you into eternal unhappiness. I have repeatedly implored and begged of you and your associates in the Zhong fairy tale to come clean and to repent, but as yet without any real, sincere response.

It seems that you are determined on your course of self-destruction.

Instead of taking stock and repenting, you go off on your fantastic Sherlockian, Quizotic ventures to attack the innocuous and uninvolved Pope Michael.

Once again, I remind you that you need to come clean and stop this charade, for your own soul's salvation. Only you can help yourself, only you can damn yourself. God gives all of us His Grace, but it is up to us to correspond to it or to fail Him.

That choice is ours.

Yours sincerely,

Prax Maskaren
(Out of regard for your feelings, I am not sending this harsh letter to the others who are in on this subject - for the next three days, so that you have a chance to come to your senses. I will only send it out to H.H. Pope Michael I)
From: "Hans F. Lorenz" [email protected]
To: [email protected], [email protected]
CC: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Michael
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:47:32 -0700

My Dear Brethren in Christ;
Pax et Bonum, Pax Dominus sit semper vobiscum

I fully disagree with accepting "Pope Michael" as Pope. Sure six people voted for Pope Innocent II, but at that time there were only a small amount of Catholics, maybe 25,000 or 50,000 in all, and they all lived within about 300 to 500 miles distance from the Mediterranean Sea.

When you really look at the facts, you will see that women were never allowed, by Catholic Traditions, to vote for the Pope, and therefore actually only 3 people voted for David. No I am not against women voting. Chauvinist is not my style, but tradition has been accepted as the way to rule the Church, and tradition should not be thrown out for the need to get something done.

If Jesus wanted, he could have installed Mary His Mother, Mary of Magdella, Mary of Caephus, and made them into Disciples, Priests, or Bishops, instead of just helpers to the Disciples. He could also ordered that the great woman Saints should all have been Ordained, but no, he kept them as advisors to the Clergy.

At the present time we have Catholics all over the world, and out of about 300,000 to 500,000 lay-people worldwide, and at least 300 or more clergy, yes, some of them have questionable orders, because there were no acceptable bishops to ordain them, who all claim to be Catholics, so 3 legal people voting for the POPE are not a conclave of all Catholics.

In my opinion, due to the fact that David has claimed, by his own words, that he does not even have an acceptable Baptism, how can we accept him as the POPE?

We need to get more Catholics involved, and I would not be surprised if you look under the carpet, that there are actually about 2,500,000 people, and at least 5000 Priests, Bishops, and Archbishops, who still doubt the actions of Vatican II, some of which have gone over to the Pentecostal movements, such as the Charismatic, and would be glad to see the TRUE PAPACY returned to the Faith. Odds are that many would even return to the Church, if a legitimate Pope was elected.

We need to stop all the name calling, and to look at the faith of the person, not their qualifications, or their justification. You may say that this sounds a bit away from the Faith, but that is a main reason for the Protestant rebellion of the sixteenth century, and do we need another situation such as that one.

Your brother in Jesus & St. Francis
+Hans F. Lorenz, LBSF, OFM(min),
Rt. Rev. Dr. Hans F. Lorenz, LBSF, OFM(min), LTh, STD, ThD, DD, CD, A Bishop of the Catholic Church, and no I am not of Old Catholic stock.

We adhere to Traditional Roman Catholic Doctrines of Pre-Vatican II. We refuse to accept the Novus Ordo Services or sacraments. We do not accept the Vatican II Popes, nor their teachings. We are sedevacantist.

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