HANS F. LORENZ
CALGARY, AB
From: "Rt. Rev. Dr. Hans F. Lorenz, OFM min, STD, CD"
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Fwd: Fw: The Way Forward
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 06:44:54 -0700
My Dear Brethren in Christ,
Pax et Bonum
I am assuming that Prakash is some sort of title, am I correct?
At first I thought that you might be a Priest in the Madras India Catholic Church, which was founded by the Apostle, St Thomas the Doubter, since I had heard, that when the Jesuits went to south tip of India, much to their surprise they found Catholics, who had a Mass and vestments much the same as the ones which the Jesuits wore, boy were they surprised, since the Jesuits had expected to find "Heathens," not Catholic Christians.
Yet the Madras Catholics had kept in touch through caravans, which passed their area from Europe to trade for AMBER, which was considered to be more valuable than diamonds or rubies, and second only to pearls, so the Jesuits with the Knights Templar, controlled this precious commodity very strictly.
I fully agree with you that we must get rid of the baggage, which we have had since the True Pope Pius XII passed away, so first we must stop the name calling, and then we must start to dialogue (talk) amongst all the groups, which you mention in your email, which separated in 1886, because of minor misunderstanding of wording, yet in their Statements of Faith they professes almost the same as Catholics do.
They agree that the the two Doctrines, namely of Infallibility and Immaculate Conception, only they could not understand the full purpose for the need of the Doctrines.
I have the Statements of Faith, published by the Tridentine Rite Catholics, and it states, "We do not ascribe to the Heresy known as Jainism, but we accept all the Councils of the Roman Catholic Church from the beginning of the Church, and we do not accept any of the heretical changes wrought by the false Vatican II Council, which had no basis in Catholicism, because their plans had already been outlawed by Vatican I, namely Modernizing the Church, because it was already modern, and therefore did not need to be modernized, we further do not accept the changes which were made to the Mass of Pope St Pius V or the Sacraments, for they mock the Age Old Practices of Holy Mother, the Church, We fully accept the Doctrines of Infallibility of the Pope and the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, as these were taught since the beginning,"So in that statement, they state that they wish to be Catholic, but not Vatican II sect Catholic.
I believe that their Statement of Faith is actually the same as most Sedevacanist, also I believe most of us should be able to clarify and stop bickering about trivialities to get together in one major endeavor, which is to bring the True Church back to the Catholic People, who have had "The Wolves in Sheep's Clothing," running and ruining the Faith of Our Fathers.
We must watch out for the Lefebvre Catholics aka SSPV, because as we know they claim to be traditional Vatican II Catholics, which is an oxymoron statement, because you are either Traditional or Vatican II, but you cannot be both, for you cannot serve God and Satan at the same time.
Your brother in Jesus & St. Francis,
+Hans F. Lorenz, OFM(min), STD, CD
Dear Sir,
I don't quite know what to make of your letter: I am terribly confounded. Let me ask you: are you, by any chance, an "Old Catholic"? What is this division of 1886 that you talk of?
I would like to point out that Prakash is my first name and not a title; it means light. I do not know of any Madras Indian Catholic Church, and the Portuguese did not find any Catholics in India when they first arrived here under Vasco da Gama. There were communities of Nestorians, a heretical sect having its headquarters in Nineveh, Assyria (modern Iraq), strung all along the west coast of the Indian Peninsula. Though their descendants form a large number today, my ancestors were not from among them, but were from pagan stock who were converted during the first missions in Portuguese India, by St. Francis of Javier and others of various religious orders.
Your remark about Templars and Jesuits vying for the control of the Amber trade originating in India is mystifying. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Templars were abolished by Papal Bull as of 22 March, 1312, while Pope Paul III authorized the Society of Jesus by the Papal Bull "Regimini militantis ecclesia" of 27 Sept., 1540.
You should also be aware that the chief Lefebvrist organisation is the Sacerdotal Society of St. Pius X, SSPX, not the rival SSPV, which was founded by Clarence Kelly, Daniel Dolan and others when they seceded from Lefebvre over the question of 'una cum'.
Yours sincerely in need of clarification,
Prakash John Mascarenhas
Note on Above Exchange
I could not find this exchange immediately, but luckily found it tucked away on my office computer.
Hans Lorenz did not get back to me and clarify as sought. This was the first and last I had heard from him.
Take his telltale allusion to some group he calls 'Tridentine Rite Catholics' and its ingenious and unnecessary disclaimer on the Jansenist heresy.
[Jansenism is NOT the same thing as the Indian pagan religion of Jainism, is it? Should we presume that these people are so ignorant that they do not know Christian history? Actually, this is just an ingenious stratagem, designed to make these people look innocent of Jansenism!]
I have been visiting these 'Old Catholic' groups on the net, and they are all very anxious to affirm and to reassure us that there is nothing separating them from the Roman faith, aside from some misunderstandings (on the part of Rome, obviously) and that they were certainly 'Traditionalists.'
It is customary among 'Old Catholics,' particularly the Dollingerites who separated because of their rejection of the Vatican Council, 1869-1870, and its proclamation of Papal Infallibility, that "They agree with the the two Doctrines, namely of Infallibility and Immaculate Conception, only they could not understand the full purpose for the need of the Doctrines." That Lorenz repeats this is a dead giveaway!
That is merely bait to hook the unwary and the gullible.
Taking all things together, then, it is obvious that Lorenz is, indeed, an 'Old Catholic' and a pretty ignorant one at that!
- Prax Maskaren. 14th April 2003. >