Free Goa: More Hot Air?
Message 11303 GoanCauses
From: AAssoc4994@a...
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: GOANS FIRST - Prakash
Dear Prakash,
We have always on goancauses taken a peaceful way stand to demand Freedom of Goa. Your approach is a militant way, it will take innocent lifes of the people like East Timor. Subashchandra Bose had similar approach unlike M. K. Gandhi a non-violent way.
I agree with you India will not simply run away from Goa as it will lose its vital economic interests in Goa besides its political turmoil with Punjab, Tamil, Nagaland, etc.
Goans have realized that they won't be able to fight against Indian Indutrial giants that employ mostly non-goans in Goa on pretext that Goans are not suitable for employment as they are not qualified enough and skilled. Those are the lies spread by Goan Corrupt and Indian politicians.
The bottom line is here our Goan youth suffers as they have been robbed their future by non-Goans on our own soil. It's hurting.
Goan people are catching fast and they know Liberation of Goa has paid a price in the benefit of India and its Union survival by sending influx of non-goans in Goa for employ. Besides sooner Karnataka will divert Madei river that will stop Mandovi river flowing. Karnataka is a giant state than Goa they will get what they want, unless Goans take on to the street soon enough.
I'm a brave man, and also non-violent, we Goans are civilized people, bloodshed is not in our vocabulary. We got to do everything peaceful way. As someone said "Faith can move mountains away". So as our message of Freedom to Goa will deter any Indian Army acting against the wishes of our people. As I've always said give our people more time to realize, and they will find out
themselve.
We here on our goancauses.com showing Goans under "Conheca a nossa Goa?" Do you know our Goa once had its own culture, identity, and history. Do you that is being destroyed by our own Goan corrupt people and Indian government?
So no need to get worked up. One can be a brave man without arms. Yes, of course a Goan militia armed with self defense tools is necessary if Indian Police start shooting at us to disperse peaceful protests. As they shot at our goan Heroes during META Strips protests.
Besides San Francisco Xavier is watching over us. We don't have to be afraid of.
Agnelo Gomes
Message 11300 GoanCauses
From: AAssoc4994@a...
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Dear Senhor Camilo,
Welcome to Goancauses Group. I like your message that sounds very much like me in you. It reverberates the rhythm of "GOENKARANCHO EKVOTT MOVEMENT". My name is Agnelo Gomes, better known as Goan Paclo. Born and raised in Comba, Margao and now settled in USA. I'm one of those guys orders others please, dare not to mess with motherland Goa and its native people of all creed, race and religion.
Yes, you're right it's easy to be said than done to FREE GOA from the Indian Occupation and Annexation. Although many of us moved abroad, but there are still few of us who have not forgotten their roots, you may verify yourself, if you have time to log in online our archives saved by the courtesy of Yahoo Goancauses Group.
Yes Sir, as Mr. Tony Dias, Secretary of Goa Su-Raj party indicated in his message to you and others, I tried to help Goa Su-Raj party in the last mid term elections, but it did not help, the Party was rejected by Goans outright. The question still remains to be answered. Do we have a deliverer born in Goa whom Goan people would put their trust as he's the honest person and shall listen to their cries of survival.
We were told by our so called Freedom Fighters and Scholars that Indian Army gave us Liberation in 1961 on silver platter. But they never admitted that Indian Army also occupied us and raised Indian Flag instead of Goan Flag. Lot of falsification and Fraud. Isn't it?
Don't get me wrong, I've full trust in your message. I'm a beggar of Freedom who doesn't have much choice and time of testing someone's testimony, rather than accept it blank. As there are very few brave men like you come front and chant for FREE GOA FOR GOANS ONLY.
Yes, I agree with you by calling on complete boycott on merchants and facilities that employ ganthies and sell non-Goan merchandise, we should be able to grasp control, as Hitler did it in Nazi Germany against Jews; as they have done in other states of India, although it's unconstitutional, according to the Indian Constitution that allows all Indians to buy property anywhere in India and settle, except for few States like Kashmir, Sikkim, Nagaland, etc.
To achieve our goal of complete boycott in Goa, first we will have to drive all ganthies including governor of Goa and all IAS Babus out of Goa. Drive all ganthies employed in all government agencies and departments that control government administration in Goa and deprive Goans. This is not easy to implement it will take an Army to fight against the occupied Indian Army.
We need at least a militia of Goan people to come on the street. I think given Indian Police looking over us with Goan Corrupt Politicians of Congress, BJP, MGP, UGDP, etc., besides them, it will be an intimidating task to take on for our people. But nothing is impossible, it can be done, in my opinion and as you said and I quote "This group would have to be people who have no other objective other than making Goa better for Goans".
What it takes is the will of the people to overthrow any fascist regime like the Indian/Corrupt Goan unaccountable regime in Goa that works against the wishes of the people who voted them in power. It does not take whole lot of money, but it takes a new breed of self less brave leaders like yourself to be in front to face up the challenges.
Regards.
Agnelo Gomes
Message 11297 GoanCauses
From: "Prax Maskaren" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 11:40 am
Subject: Re: GOANS FIRST
Goa, like every other such causes, needs both a military front and a political front. eg. Basque, North Ireland, etc.
Prax Maskaren
Message 11295 GoanCauses
From: "Prax Maskaren" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 11:35 am
Subject: Re: GOANS FIRST
Dear Camilo & Ivor,
I am not merely 'barking', and I am not a pacifist.
A few years ago, at the height of the Konkan Railway agitation, I went out of my way to try and acquire military training, sabotage, arms, etc., from an unfriendly neighbour of the Indian Union, but failed to get it, because the people I approached said that there should be others with me, and despite my best efforts, no one is willing to stand up. My 'patrons' offer stands, as of date.
By doing this, I put myself at grave risk from the Occupation. I only cite this as proof that I do not merely bark, but am very, very willing to bite.
I am not a pacifist: I respect the option that some take to try for our ends by peaceful means; but I am a realist: I do not believe that a people who gratuituously invaded without provocation and hold us as conquest, will just as gratuituously get up and go away, just because we politely ask them to...
If there are any Goans who want to stop barking and start biting, pls. get in touch with me. The Indian Union has many enemies who will gladly arm and train us! And we have zero moral or legal obligations towards the Indian Union.
The Indian Union has very many weak points - but none as vulnerable as the Konkan Railway... Take it out at five or six places and you make a huge psychological point. And there are a hundred other things that can be done...
Is any fellow Goan willing to bite?
We need finance, arms, training. And we would prefer that it be provided by Goans and allied peoples - Portuguese, Brazilians, etc.
A few days back, a Geraldo Fernandes had posted, and among other things he posted was the astonishing claim that the Indian Union's Supreme Court ruled that Goa belongs LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY to the Indian Union by RIGHT OF CONQUEST. Geraldo was a Soldier for the Indian Union. I ask: What self respecting man tolerates his country and his people being humilated and raped, and rejoices in it, is not only unashamed but is actually proud of it?
Prax Maskaren
Message 11294 GoanCauses
From: "iirian" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Camilo says: Even if we are living abroad we can still make an impact on how Goa is run. Imagine starting a new party with leaders in Goa and abroad. This group would have to be people who have no other objective other than making Goa better for Goans. Education & Medical assictance should be first priority. Also I.D. cards for Goans.
Camilo has suggested to start a new party with the above objectives.
A new party called Goa Su-Raj party was started with all the enthusiasm of its Founders, & I was one of them, to fulfill some of these ideals for Goans.
In the last elections in May 2002, the fledgeling party had contested with 8 candidates. Mr Agnelo Gomes' organisation called 'Goenkarancho Ekvott' supported our election efforts by underwriting all the costly Advertisements which the party issued in the local papers. These Ads created overnight a tremendous effect & persons came to contest elections on our party ticket, whereas previously no one knew us. But due to lack of funds to carry thru, the whole effort died down. This is what happens when we dont get support from all Goan diaspora in spite of appeals for help.
No one from abroad, other than Agnelo & some donation from Gabriel, bothered to heed our cry. So we ended up by putting our hands in our pockets, we who stay here in Goa and earn statistically less than $450 per annum per capita. It is worth knowing this recent history as history repeats itself.
So it is worth pondering whether this is again only long winded speeches or time for supporting some action.
Today Goa Suraj is in shambles & needs dynamic leaders. The enthusiastic founders - 16 good men today seemed to have folded up into their cocoons. A majority of them are old & had no personal stakes to gain. Their bio datas were on party website for more than a year. I am myself 65 yrs of age.
So Camilo's idea that the new party should have leaders from Goans abroad as well as in Goa is worth thinking about. Whether Goa SuRaj can be resusciated under a new avatar like the proverbial Phoenix is for every one to decide, because it has contested last elections & so has created some awareness infrastructure and is known in Goa since it has been registered since Aug 2000. Registering a new political party is not easy at Delhi.
Parrikar has just 3 MLAs from UGDP and he thinks 10 times before antagonising them. So a political party who can field MLAs into the Legislature can definitely bring about changes faster than NGOs taking Rallies which are soon forgotten.as real action takes place also in the
Legislature. Maybe this is the reason why Agnelo 's Goemkarancho Ekvott supported Goa SuRaj. - Tony Dias, Gen Secretary Goa SuRaj.( Su-Raj means self Governance.)
Message 11292 GoanCauses
From: "Ivor" <project.fir@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 7:17 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Hello Camilo,
Your input is very important towards this historical march to an independent GOA. It is important that a serious discussion is conducted. In this way we can feel the pulse of the people as to how best we begin to formulate this march into an effective result oriented goal for an independent homeland.
My idea would be along the lines to have a group of committed goans abroad and a group of activist goans in Goan in joining hands to spearhead a peaceful struggle and dialogue with the Indian authorities to bring about this reality for an independent homeland.
There will be many who will castigate doubts if this just a fantasy. There will be others who will choose to throw cold water on all of this discussion. And of course there will be many on the sidelines waiting to want to join the bandwagon. And they will only do so after gaining
confidence in us and the goal that we have set out to achieve for an independent homeland.
Let me emphasize we are not trying to create 'UTOPIA" thru' our discussion. We want to create a real homeland and thru' our hard work build a model state to which our neighbours in Asia can emulate from. This is a dream and a dream that has tremendous propotions of becoming real.
VIVA GOA - THE MARCH IS ON TO AN INDEPENDENT NATION!
Ivor (Samora)
Message 11291 GoanCauses
From: Camilo D'Sa <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 2:57 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
There are those who bark and there are those who bite. If Goa is truley to become free we have to start bitting back. Now how many of you are truley ready to take some real action or are these just long winded speeches.We can all scream and yell all the things we want to say. It is those who will take the time to make things happen that will make the difference. Many of us have moved abroad and forgot our roots. Even if we are living abroad we can still make an impact on how Goa is run. Imagine starting a new party with leaders in Goa and abroad. This group would have to be people who have no other objective other than making Goa better for Goans. Education & Medical assictance should be first priority. Also I.D. cards for Goans.
Boycotts on merchants and facilities that promote non-Goan programs. We need to start supporting our fellow brothers and sisters. Lets make Goa the way it should be. One people,one fight, one cause a FREE GOA FOR GOANS.
VIVA GOA - THE MARCH IS ON TO AN INDEPENDENT NATION!
Message 11290 GoanCauses
From: "Ivor" <project.fir@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 3:34 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Well Agnelo,
The people who do not agree with us may seek asylum in India. Hey they can go to India and do all they want there. Let me see whether Indians are going to accept them on the same footing as they would accept their ilk!
Surreptitously, believe me, every Indian gazes at us Goans to be another breed of people and that is - NON INDIANS!
VIVA GOA IS ON THE MARCH TO AN INDEPENDENT HOMELAND CALLED INDEPENDENT GOA!
Ivor (Samora)
Message 11289 GoanCauses
From: "Ivor" <project.fir@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 3:22 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Thank you Prax. Well said. Yes, it is time that we all begin to sing the same tune!
VIVA GOA - THE MARCH IS ON TO AN INDEPENDENT NATION!
Ivor (Samora)
Message 11288 GoanCauses
From: "Ivor" <project.fir@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 3:20 am
Subject: Re: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Agnelo Bab,
Thank you. We need our Goan brothers and sisters to know it is time to get our heads out of the sand and look at the reality as it now stands before it is too, too late.
GOA FOR GOANS FIRST IS WHAT THE MOTTO GOT TO BE FOR A LONG TIME FOR ALL GENERATIONS TO COME!
VIVA GOA - A MARCH IS ON TOWARDS AN INDEPENDENT NATION WHICH ONCE WAS! MOTHER GOA AND MOTHER INDIA WERE IN FACT TWO SEPARATE NATIONS. BUT THEN AGAIN, GOA AS A NATION EXISTED BEFORE INDIA WAS BORN!
Ivor ( Samora)
Message 11287 GoanCauses
From: AAssoc4994@a...
Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:51 pm
Subject: [goancauses] Re: GOANS FIRST
Well said it Senhor Prakash. We're the champions the originators of this Goenkarancho Ekvott Movement, as Goa for Goans only. Those Goans who cannot tolerate our message, they have no place in Goa, bunch of traitors. Quit Goa and move to Maharashtra with your marathi or any places in India of your choice.
Majority of Goans from Goa, they have always agreed with me Goa for Goans only.
The East African ganthie net like Goanet, the Poonawalla/Bahama ganthie net TGF, and Kuwaiti ganthie net Goa-world.net they sent a wrong message on Goan Internet world by unsubscribing me, that Goa is part of India, and nothing can be changed. Bunch of fools.
Agnelo Gomes
Message 11286 GoanCauses
From: "Prax Maskaren" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: GOANS FIRST
Amen! I reject the idea of the 'Goa Hit Rakan Manch' that 'Goa for Goans' is fascism, and so prefer the slogan 'Goans first'. Goa belongs to Goans and to Goans alone; Indians do not belong, let them get lost!!!
And any 'Goan' who cares for India, is free to relocate to that country! Good riddance to bad rubbish!
'Goa for Goans ONLY' and 'Roman Script Konkani with Portuguese' as the only official languages, (with English tolerated) is our defining slogan.
Viva Goa! Delenda India!
Prax Maskaren
Message 11283 GoanCauses
From: <project.fir@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: GOANS FIRST
IT IS TIME THAT GOANS TOOK CONTROL OF GOA AND DUMPED OUR GOAN TRAITORS AND KICKED OUT ALL NON GOANS. GOA FOR GOANS FROM NOW ON AND FOREVER!
Ivor (Samora)
Message 11279 GoanCauses
From: AAssoc4994@a...
Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:04 pm
Subject: [goancauses] GOANS FIRST
GOANS FIRST
Did you know that the population of Goa in 1961 was about 7 lacs and today it is 13.4 lacs?
that there are atleast 6 Andhraites and more Kannadigas in atleast two Departments of Goa University?
that Maharashtra with a population of 8 crores insist on knowledge of written Marathi as a precondidtion for employment?
that Karnataka has a watch dog committee with a Minister of Cabinet rank to ensure that jobs go out only to Kannadigas?
that atleast in the Village Panchayat of Sancoale of the 11 panchas six are non-goans? that a tabla player recently recruited in Kala Academy was from Belgaum sidelining a Goan who taught there for 25 years?
that most of those 18 years and above who were in employment post liberation are due to retire on attaining the age of superannuation 58 years in the year 2006;
that according to the Chief Minister of Goa under the first Voluntary retirement Scheme around 4500 government employees retired?
that thereafter another 1000 followed suit?
that on an average 100 employees of the Goa government and allied services retire on the age of superannuation each year?
that under the pre-employment training scheme while the need for knowledge of Konkani is compulsory and knowledge of Marathi is desireable the requirement of 15 years domicile is not mentioned in the application form?
that the government printing press has been instructed to print 1,00,000 forms and distribute them in the 11 talukas of Goa solicit applications from those upto 35 & 40 years of age to fill up vacancies?
that under the same scheme in the past of the total 311970 applications only 1880 have been taken up for training thus far since the BJP coalition came to power two years ago?
that the articles of the Constitution of India the sacred book guiding the destinations of the citizens of India, are not violated if the safeguards of mother-tongue and domicile are insisted upon to protect the interest of the state in matters of employment;
that in Sikkim Nagaland of the North Eastern States land is not permitted to be sold to outsiders unlike in Goa?
that in the absence of an employment, industrial and tourism policy the interests of Goans cannot be protected?
that the 106 long coast line of Goa has been saturated with hotels but unlike in the past where traditional fishermen had their abodes today one finds Kashmiris, Keralites, Lammanis etc, and Goans have vanished from traditional occupations?
These were some of the facts laid thread bare by speakers of "GOA HIT RAKHAN MANCH"(protectors of Goan identity) a margao based forum, headed by Prashant Naik, Bahujan Samaj ex student leader and teacher hailing from Loliem, in Canacona, to the over 2000 strong gathering of mostly women from Canacona, Sattari, others of the Bahujan and non Bahujan samaj and smattering of Catholic Goans and nuns, on 27th February, 2003 at 4.00p.m onwards at the Azad Maidan grounds Panaji, Goa at their first public meeting since formation of the Forum to demand in matters of Employment it is GOANS FIRST.
However, unlike in the past during the 1986 movement the Catholics who were in the forefront were not around.
Apparently disillusioned by the denial of Konkani in Roman script.
Those accused otherwise of holding the monopoly of Konkani Devangiri script were not seen on the dais but amidst the audience albeit in the first row.
They also did not speak but left it to those on the dais who were mainly from the Bahujan Samaj and Catholics inculding a priest and others from Pernem, Curchorem, Sattari, Ponda, & Canacona the otherwise stronghold of Marathi protgonists. The whole set up was arranged in such a way that it was gave an impression of representation to all talukas, of Bahujan, non Bahujan Catholics.
The forum was formed after the "Konkani Porjecho Avaz" accomplished its goals of recognition of Konkani (Devnagiri script) as the mother tongue, grant of Statehood to Goa and the inclusion of Konkani in Eight Schedule of the Constitution.
But it is till date seen as promoted by those who have the monopoly over the Konkani (Devnagiri script ) and have been beneficiaries of all Government jobs and allied services especially in the field of Education, while the Bhaujan Samaj and Catholics are being used to bolster their interests.
The speakers thus admitted that there was some merit in the apprehensions that Konakni in Devnagiri script was the monopoly of some and therefore alienated by the Marathi protoganists or the Bahujan Samaj, but they appealed to the gathering that united alone we can withstand the onslaught of outsiders.
They took strong exception of the CM's contention at a recent Marathi Literary function that he did not know to read Konkani in Devnagiri script.
Considering that he is the first Hindu Brahmin Chief Minister of Goa it was apparent that the IIT aluminus was playing to the galleries to appease the marathi protagonists. He had also assured that if his party was given a majority he would make Marathi the official language as well. They even acccused him of giving patronage to marathi by sanctioning liberal funds for literary functions . They warned the gathering that Maharashtra with eight crores of their population declaring Marathi as second official language will amount to usurping local jobs and making Goans stranger in the their own land. Hence time was ripe for every Goan be it from far flung Canacona to Pernem or Panaji to Sattari to ensure that 15 year domicile rule was
strictly implemented in letter and spirit and that knowledge of Konkani be strictly assessed at the time of recruitment. Remo Fernandes sang a Knonkani medley and Quepem Kirnam also composed and song promoting the cause of Goans.
One thing that the speakers made special mention is that while the slogan GOA FOR GOANS tantamounts to a fascist demand, the ideal demand was GOANS FIRST which implies Goans have no hatred towards non Goans but while in Goa it should be the Goan first. They demanded that the industry before being granted the letter of intent should also train the personnel
required as it takes three years before the industry is set up. They gave examples of how the hardware unit in Verna Industrial estate is recruiting 99% Goans. They accepted the fact in super speciality field and top Management there could be non Goans but with a justification. Especially in class C & D which will account for over 10,000 jobs by 2006 there should be no
compromise on Goans First. They warned the Non Goan industrialists who are not Goan
friendly that their alibi of Goans as "susgad" and interpreted in tehir terms as lazy is a cover up for their employing cheap labour under wages of exploitation.
Nowhere in the Country will any state compromise in matters of employment as Goans have done in the past allowing for the demographic composition to reduce us to minorities. Goa will no longer be treated as a corridor or a back yard the speakers warned.
Therefore 15 year domicile a must (though no cut off year was announced) and knowledge of Konkani essential with Marathi desirable would be strictly adhered too and appointment of a steering committee to ensure checks on this score as the employment policy of Goans First.
Yes the meeting come as it did after a long gap sounded the death knell for the politicians to either come up with Goan friendly employment policies are quit. This they warned would be the third agitation after Opinion Poll Konkani as the Mother tongue and now Goa for Goans. Ironically the speakers message was so clear that the Chief Minsiter was seen near a
prominent Hotel just as one of the speakers was making a vaciferous appeal for Goans First.
However what is shocking revelation is that Goans in every village have provided their houses on hire to non Goans as an easy source of income. ? Goans also sell land to the highest bidder it does not matter whether Goan or non Goan emotive issues are set aside wher money? Catholics for example do not know the Devnagiri script but this could be overlooked in matters of Goan First principle.
Hence the Goa Hit Rakhan Manch would do well to also publicly announce that they will also insist that ONLY ONE GOVERNMENT JOB PER FAMILY. This way they will overnight win the support for the cause of Goans first from the Bahujan Samaj as presently only the non Bahujan Samaj Konkani Devanagiri script votaries have had the benefits of government employment and meteoric career progression and even extension in service.
godfrey j. i. gonsalves
B-F-4 Hillside Apartments.
St Joaquim Road
Borda Margao Goa India
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