Contra-Asheesh Shah: Part II
©Lucio Mascarenhas.
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[See also
Contra Asheesh Shah: Part I &
Part III]
Asheesh
You are trying the patience of Goans rather sorely. Try to get over your brattishness and act grown up.
It is none of your concern what our names are.
You have a great deal of arrogance to talk of names. Before your ancestors came into India, there were other cultures existing here, of which remnants survive. Maleghat in the South Khandesh is one. There the aborigine tribals, starving in deprivations were being told by the Indians: "Why are your names foreign?" That is the height of arrogance, conceit, impudence, impertinence and hypocrisy. That is what you are once again throwing at us.
Don't over do it. There is a limit to patience.
You are so stupid that you do not know the proper name of George Fernandes, your "fiend". This is a man who is a Mangalorean Concannim, a descendant of those who had emigrated from Goa five hundred years ago, at the invitation of the King of Bednore, in order to open up forest lands in Mangalore District (District of South Canara) for agriculture and thus to augment his tax base, Goans having a reputation as excellent farmers in that time.
George Fernandes is not either a Goan nor a Christian; he is (or was) an Atheist and a Communist — a Marxist. However, if he was a traitor to Christianity earlier, he had progressed in his treason by asscociating himself with the Indian Hitlerists, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), becoming their stool pigeon.
Ironically, during the Emergency, when Indira Gandhi was hunting for him, it was Christian Churches, schools and orphanages, at great risk to themselves, that sheltered him and moved him from place to place to avoid discovery and arrest by Prime Minister
Madame Indira Gandhi's police, paramilitary and volunteer thugs. I know this, not only from history, but also personally, for I was then in one of the Church-run schools that was hidding him at the time, before he went north to Gujarat, where he was arrested some months latter for an act of attempted terrorism, the Baroda Dynamite Case.
[He lived like a rat, not even daring to show us school-boys his face. We only knew he was there but never saw him.]
Yet this is the same man who has repaid this by betraying the Christians in India by whitewashing the BJP's programs of pogroms against Christians all over India, when he was the Defence Minister in the last Hitlerite ministry of Eternally-Bihari Vajpayee. George Fernandes denied the obvious systematic campaign and hysteria against Christians, and pretended that the incidents of rape of nuns, murder of priests, destruction of churches and burning of bibles were isolated incidents.
And this is the man who lives openly with the wife of another man, with his concubine and whore, Jaya Jaitley.
And so, since this fiend is your "friend", allow me to congratulate you on this your companion: Under his tutelage, you will progress rapidly into becoming an even more profound misanthrope and malefactor.
You asked:
"Are Indians born in potugal in sufficient large a number allowed to start a new country?".
I ask you: First, sit down, and write out "Portugal" and "Portuguese" a hundred times till you get those names right.
Second, tell me, are the Bangladeshis born in India allowed to have themselves a new country carved out of your India?
What about the Nepalese? Subhash Ghisingh and his Gorkha National Liberation Front (GNLF) wanted an independent Gorkhaland in Darjeeling for the Nepalese colonists in that area, which historically belonged to the Sikkimese, being the homeland of the Lepchas and Bhutias. Why are you keeping the poor chap in tenterhooks? Especially since India has annexed Sikkim, north of Darjeeling, based upon the "rights" of Nepalese citizens in that country to exercise "democracy"?
In Sikkim, the Nepalese colonists outnumbered the natives, and so you used them to annex Sikkim. Yet in the District of Cachar in Assam, comparatively bigger than the Kingdom of Sikkim, the Bangladeshis, who dominate it demographically, want to make it a part of Bangladesh. Why do you hinder them?
Or, hypocrite that you are, do you have one set of rules for yourself and another for others?
You asked:
"Do areas which have a majority that wish to remain in India partition themselves from Goa or is its integrity beyon reproach?"
My answer: You are nothing but a meally-mouthed hypocrite.
Remember, you started this exchange by your "outrage" over Goans demanding that India quit its criminal occupation, which in your mind is "secession". That is evident that you can only accept that India can add territory, but not accept that territory can go out of India's control.
Your interpretation of "democracy" is when Goa will permit
"areas which have a majority that wish to remain in India partition themselves from Goa" and merge themselves into India, but "democrary" in your India means that
"areas which have a majority that wish to NOT remain in India" such as Nagalim, Tamilnad, etc., are not permitted the same right to
"partition themselves from" India!
This is the height of hypocrisy. Or, to use a
Saddamism, the
Mother of all hypocrisies!
Before talking to us this nonsense, show your honesty by agitating for the right of people who wish not to be part of India, to be allowed to erect themselves and their homelands into independent countries or to merge themselves into other countries. Only when you have succeeded in incorporating that provision in your Indian Constitution, come back to us with that query. We will then consider you worthy of a reply.
Yours truly,
Lucio Mascarenhas
From: Bernado Colaco
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:41:57 +0100 (BST)
Living in a democracy! Where do you live mate? Or does your top have loads of sawdust?
B. Colaco
From: Asheesh Shah
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:38:13 +0000
THEN WHY DO YOU ALL HAVE POTUGES NAMES???
From: Elias Monteiro
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
Asheesh,
By the way, who are you to be a friend of George Fernandes? First of all, George Fernandes is NOT goan. His birth place is in Karnataka where he was born in 1930. His portuguese-catholic name does't make him a Goanese (goenkar). The portuguese name that he bears is due to his ancestors acceptance to be converted from hindu to catholicism after shaving the xhendis! He was a Terrorist Chief Defense Minister and only Christian minister in the Vajpaee's government. He fougth Indira Gandhi's rule from the underground. He was involved in Baroda Dinamite conspiracy case. Raised funds for Tamil Tigers, etc. etc.etc. Real goans don't get involved in this kind of activities, so don't ask any goanese to meet a terrorist.
Elias
From: Asheesh Shah
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:43:17 +0000
Dear Errol
I have no problems with that. You live in a democracy so why not stand for election or are you concerned that you may not win ? When you find time please do contact my other Goan friend for details, Geroge Fernandes.
My questions in the last e-mail are still unanswred. Please help, are Indians born in potugal in sufficient large a number allowed to start a new country? For that matter lets say we have you referendum, do areas which have a majority that wish to remain in India partition themselves from
Goa or is its integrity beyon reproach?
Kindest regards
Asheesh
From: Camilo D'Sa
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
Asheesh,
"You do not have to put up with any of this Indian nonsense. Please pack your bags and go back to fucking potugal. Simple!"
Why the sudden change in your mannerism?
"As for the first gentleman who wrote about UN recognition, please read a bit more history. The portugese military junta took the matter to the World Court ... and lost."
No it is you who needs to go read a bit of history. It never went to the World Court. It was brought to the U.N. Security Council. Russia vetoed the resolution for a free Goa part of fear it would become a NATO base.
Goa is a beautiful place. Only under a true democracy can her people be free. Nehru flat out lied to the Goans. If a vote was held today I can guarantee Goans would Vote to be free from any occupiers. Goa is a diverse community in which the Indian government has raped the benefits of this unique culture of east meets west. Just for your info Goa is the most visited place on the Indian Subcontinent.
We are niether Portuguese nor Indians.
We are Proud GOANS.
V/R
Camilo D'Sa
Proud Goan
From: Errol Rodrigues
Subject: Re: Free Goa - Bharatis are the ones going to Portugal
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Asheesh,
"Portuguese! Portuguese! Portuguese! Portuguese! Portuguese! Etc"
I was born a Goan, that does not make me French, Pakistani, Russian etc or anti anybody. I was born a Goan and I would like to die a Goan.
We Goans were never given the choice, and held up at gunpoint. The invasion and occupation of Goa without a mandate from the people of Goa was a complete Injustice. Where is the Referendum on Goa? We are not enemies of India, just seeking justice. We do not support colonialism, invasion and occupation from any quarter.
Regards,
Errol
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