on-reflection-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1897 Re: gg: RE: West Side Story - 96bit Digital Remaster gg: Re: more digital audio mania than most people can stand gg: Tech talk; liquor store; Didier L; Johnson noise; power; Under Construction; BBB&B; a rabbit Re: gg: GG: About Gentle Giant gg: New Newbys; testing 123; J-Tull.com; the GG videos; prog evangelism Re: gg: Ladder's tour Re: gg: Under construction Re: gg: About Gentle Giant Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear Re: gg: no GG: Re: mastering question; Phish concert gg: Welcome!; digital gang-wars gg: Re: Carpet crawlers gg: Re: The phsycics of music gg: how many filaments did Edison try before he found the right one? Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins &; Chessman; a tree; Material; Gary C gg: Deep Purple and the London Symphony Orchestra - Concerto for Group and Orchestra 30th Anniversary Performance - Royal Albert Hall, London, England 26/9/99 RE: gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins&; Chessman gg: re: Dropping some NYC gg: music of one's youth gg: Yup, Phillip! S:^) Re: gg: More SuperStar Re: gg: Pablo; Yes; banjo/Fleck; Earthworks; Bruford Re: gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins&; Chessman; a tree; Material; Gary C Re: gg: Re:FM gg: Two Weird Comments... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:25:51 PDT From: "Dan Weese" Subject: Re: gg: RE: West Side Story - 96bit Digital Remaster Known variously >as 'The Theoretician', 'The Weesemeister' or 'Johnson noise Dan' he is >known >to have links with other gangs with similar sympathies. Chief amongst these >is the so-called Don of the >Tillman family. Best known for their tactic of extreme intimidation, it is >believed that the Tillman clan were responsible for placing an anti-phase >filter in the bed of popular musician Alan Benjamin. Question: If you strapped a slice of buttered bread to the back of a cat, which way down would it land? [Well, here's an explication of that question...] I'm glad you asked this question. IF WHEN YOU DROP A BUTTERED PIECE OF BREAD, IT DROPS BUTTER SIDE DOWN AND A CAT ALWAYS LANDS ON ITS FEET. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU TOOK A PIECE OF BUTTERED BREAD, STRAPPED IT ON THE BACK OF A CAT (BUTTER SIDE UP) AND DROPPED IT OFF SEARS TOWER? Even if you are too lazy to do the experiment yourself you should be able to deduce the obvious result. The laws of butterology demand that the butter must hit the ground, and the equally strict laws of feline aerodynamics demand that the cat can not smash its furry back. If the combined construct were to land, nature would have no way to resolve this paradox. Therefore it simply does not fall. That's right you clever mortal (well, as clever as a mortal can get), you have discovered the secret of antigravity! A buttered cat will, when released, quickly move to a height where the forces of cat-twisting and butter repulsion are in equilibrium. This equilibrium point can be modified by scraping off some of the butter, providing lift, or removing some of the cat's limbs, allowing descent. Most of the civilized species of the Universe already use this principle to drive their ships while within a planetary system. The loud humming heard by most sighters of UFOs is, in fact, the purring of several hundred tabbies. The one obvious danger is, of course, if the cats manage to eat the bread off their backs they will instantly plummet. Of course the cats will land on their feet, but this usually doesn't do them much good, since right after they make their graceful landing several tons of red-hot starship and pissed off aliens crash on top of them. >The average man in the street however remains nonplussed, they don't >understand what it's all about. Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. (note the eensy weensy bit of Johnson noise emitted from the outboard mommacat) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:47:37 PDT From: "Dan Weese" Subject: gg: Re: more digital audio mania than most people can stand >You say you've heard it, please tell us what you've heard. Is your >work mostly in the building of test gear, the operation of the test >gear, the construction of the tests, or the evaluation of the >results? I believe that we're easily fooled......now I want to >understand the conclusions that you've reached so that I can better >understand your position about this. Also, please describe the >controls in the environment. > >Thanks Dan. > Near the booming muhtroppolis of Lanta Georgia, screwdriver factories abound, screwing together things like cell phones, pagers, stereo equipment and tellavishions, at astonishingly productive rates. My robots pick these articles up, poke em with p-noo-matic fingers in a most salacious fashion, (turning em on), lowering leetle microphones down on em, and speakers, too. Then I strobe a cheezy little sampler to disgorge reference tones into the cell phone mic, so other cheezy sampler gear can pick up the same dulcet tones being routed through the switch gear. Computers sedulously pore over the results using statistical process methodologies, determining if this cell phone is worthy. If not, the robot ignominiously routes the hapless device to the reject line. The whole sordid cycle occurs at a 34 second interval, in an atmosphere of grinding monotony and curious factory personnel. And there I am, sitting on my folding chair, with paper booties o'er my shoes, and a hideous little lab smock, with my keyboard in my lap, looking at signal profile data in the test gear. An Egyptian prima-donna hardware engineer, (an evil brown dwarf whose bidding I must do), builds these things, and I, alas, do the systems integration and software. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:49:07 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Tech talk; liquor store; Didier L; Johnson noise; power; Under Construction; BBB&B; a rabbit >Subject: gg: tech talk, you're on the air Hey Babe, first-time caller. Hit me with a tire iron. >Which probably explains why I'm running a liquor store instead of playing music for a living... I just have found the perfect girl. I cannot ask for more. She's deaf and dumb and oversexed And runs a liquor store. - Woody Woodbury. >n.p. Didier Lockwood "Surya" Fusion brethren unite in the glory that is Lockwood. >For a bit of Johnson noise, please visit: www.raconteurprod.com Perfect! A word from our sponsor. >What we need is power...pure, clean power. Unadulderated with absolutely no distortion. Wait until your fifth tankful. >I've never heard of "Under Construction". Was it a compilation? Yes sir. Some studio efforts and some live efforts. Disk 2 had a collection of samples on it that was used for Knots, the electronica compilation. Under Construction is highly recommended. >Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms -- that was virtually what they gave me for food in the sixties. No thanks, couldn't eat another hemidemisemiquaver. >The man appears to be drawing a rabbit from his rectum. This is a variant on an old joke about a rabbit and a bear taking a dump out in the woods - have you heard this one? Oh OK, you have? - S. np: Earthworks, Stamping Ground scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:50:46 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: GG: About Gentle Giant hail all; re: DE Johnson wrote: > > Mems of Old Daze really screwed with my head when it came out. It was > like they were looking back on the past while they were creating its > demise. Pictures of the future with mems of the recent past... As some of you know, I'm taking the choo choo into the GORGG; at least until the intersection comes for the mooched ride to the mooched digs. :-) sine it's a long train ride, I need to decide on a book. I'm torn between some SF I've got that I've not read, and Orwell's Coming Up For Air, which, as we all know, is the inspiration for this song. Thoughts? still, dg np: Fripp & Summers: I Advance Masked ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:17:45 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: New Newbys; testing 123; J-Tull.com; the GG videos; prog evangelism >As anyone can tell from the subject line, I'm new to the list and I'd like to introduce myself. Glad you did. Welcome! >Hello again. Do you read me? Loud and clear sir. > * Jtull.com is growing on me rapidly. However contrary to previous posts Hot Mangoe Flush is the BEST song followed closely by El NINO.... These songs are Great. I must return to this CD. It has gotten crowded out of my recent playlists by: Goodman Smith Levy Burbridge MO1 - The Trident Sessions ProjeKCt 4 Live in SF and an Idris Muhammad reissue that sounds like my marching band. >Hello fellow Giants! Add another newbie to the list! Mammienun has provoked me to un-lurk :) Outstanding. A great de-lurk. Please speak up early and often. >First album bought was In a Glass House. Mine too! I think there are very few of us. >Having never seen them in concert, are Richard Blouin's videos worth getting? Yes! They are quite educational. >n.p. the lawnmower We can tell by the way you walk. >I ended up recommending some beginning Crimson- I suggested Lizard or Discipline as starting points- and evangelizing GG a bit in the process! Great going Rev Diana! - S. np: Jesters marching band, recorded live on KMHD-FM scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:19:21 -0300 From: "Pablo" Subject: Re: gg: Ladder's tour I went to see Yes' concert because I'm a fan of them. I hadn't heard The Ladder before the concert. I only heard the new songs during it. I think the best song of the concert was "awaken". Pablo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:19:21 -0300 From: "Pablo" Subject: Re: gg: Under construction JohnEric: Under construction is an excellent album for GG fans. It is a box with 2 CD and a little book, released in1997. It has unreleased songs of whole their career, demos and live versions. The book has photos and interviews to the musicians. Pablo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:34:08 -0300 From: "Pablo" Subject: Re: gg: About Gentle Giant Mark: I agree with you about Three Friends. I don't have it YET. There are few CD shops selling GG CD's in Buenos Aires!. Many times I have to ask for them. Anyway, my brother has it and I have a tape copy. I'll get it soon! On Saturday I bought "Out of the fire": is excellent! Pablo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:39:34 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear hail; finally i can contribute something to this conversation! re: Richard Hilton wrote: > Let me ask you something Dan: how is it that bees can fly? > Supposedly, it's aerodynamically impossible. I have read that it is > not currently explainable by any currently known conventional > scientific data. Is it the "psychic gravity-resistor's network" or > what? This was mentioned in an essay on the mechanics of Superman flying by comic writer and artist John Byrne. He made the scientific point about wing position recently made elsewhere on list, and then talked about how the US government supposedly built an aircraft based on the wing design and wing motion of bees- and it flew, which it shouldn't have, given the square-cube law. His conclusion was that if something worked even when our understanding of physics said it could not, possibly our understanding is what is at fault. Therefore, according to him, bees (and Superman, were he real) CAN fly! still, dg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:49:52 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: no GG: Re: mastering question; Phish concert hail; re: Dan Weese wrote: > Old Zen koan: if the tree falls in the woods, will anyone hear its timbre? Remember the small flap about the exploitation film produced by Phil Gramm in the 70s, "Truck Stop Women"? Well, my old friend John Sinks showed that film at UW-Madison in '76 or '77, and I got to read the press kit. Press kits are usually full of boring hype about the film, but this one was quite surreal. One section is burned into my memory: "Who are these women? How do they stop trucks? Or are teh trucks stopping them? If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it really fall or did the Earth just tip on its side?" having a head full of stuff like this is the reason I'm of limited use in a scientific debate. still, dg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:56:07 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Welcome!; digital gang-wars >Hail & well met, fair gentles, all. First exposure to GG, college, 1975, title unknown, although by 78 I acquired a tape of Playing the Fool, w/excerpts from Octopus. Now have all the original releases on CD except Interview. Welcome to the list! You'll be returning to the store to get Interview pretty soon then? >Vicious gangs on opposite sides of the digital domain sampling rate debate tore apart the Heartland Brewery as the Nyquists and the Psycho-Acousitics squared off to each other. Police said that the so-called 24-Bit turf wars were the worst they had to deal with since the Bloods and the Crips. ROFL! That's perfect. - S. np: Tribal Tech's amazing rendition of Actual Proof, the Herbie Hancock song. scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:01:16 -0300 From: "Pablo" Subject: gg: Re: Carpet crawlers I heard the new 99 version of carpet crawlers in a broadcast called "the musical box" on last Saturday. I agree with Julius Saroka about it! If you want you can hear the excellent broadcast anytime by internet: www.themusicalbox.com.ar Maybe you don't understand the talk but you'll understand the music! Is the only broadcast of progressive rock in southamerica. Some people have called from Italy and Spain! Pablo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:47:10 -0400 From: Toby Trott Subject: gg: Re: The phsycics of music Wacky racontuers Rich H. responded to Dan Weese about the technology and physics of sound: >>The highest audible frequency, 20 kHz, is actually beyond the range >>of most humans > >There is a lot of discussion about human perception exceeding the >theoretical 20k limit. I think you know this.....there are many >tests that have been done with the filters in digital systems that >lend credence to the idea that people do perceive above 20k. > >>In short, though there might be some benefit in capturing the >>non-hearable parts, you can't hear it. Well, sounds are made up of not only primary wave forms but many secondary waveforms or "harmonics" (except the pure tones produce by electronics), and some of these harmonics may actually exceed the 20kHz range of human hearing, but at least some theories suggest that we still "sense" these harmonic frequencies to the extent that we can tell when they are missing, therefore, the lack of "brightness" or some similar thing with some instruments on some CD recordings. I am certainly no expert, but I did stay at Holiday Inn once :-) This does suggest some value in maintaining ALL frequencies, even the ones that "only dogs can hear" supposedly. My daddy WAS a physicist who specialized in acoustics so I ain't entirely a dilitant in this discussion. (for non-US-ers, and those who never watch TV, there is a string of commercials where somebody jumps in and behaves like an expert doctor or physicist or engineer, and when somebody asks if they are qualified they reply "No, but I did stay at Holiday Inn" and that makes you feel pretty damned smart, apparently.) Toby "the erudite ersatz physicist" @work call me trott@sas.com, but other than that, I'm just ordinary, casual, laid back tjtrott@mindspring.com - ----------------------------------------------------------- ...world's a stage...play their parts...I have chosen multiple harmonic intervals to add depth and luster to my part...look...see it? Sooo lusterous. No! Don't touch...just look! Oh, never mind....go away! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:12:05 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: gg: how many filaments did Edison try before he found the right one? >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:50:06 PDT >From: "Dan Weese" >Subject: Re: gg: "but it still moves" Galileo LOL......great subject line, Dan. >Tell you what, Rich, I won't lecture you on physics. A great mathematician, >Bertrand Russell, said that music was counting without numbers. Enough >said. Yeah, my advanced calculus teacher in high school used to say that stuff too. Trouble was, he wasn't a musician and wished he was - he told me this in another context...... I'd like to see anyone play Zappa without "numbers". Just "feel" it.....start with "The Black Page". Then switch to GG and play "As Old As You're Young" and "So Sincere" for an encore......then over to "Dance of the Maya" by Mahavishnu...... >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:53:04 -0500 >From: DE Johnson > >(D)In the end, all of it won't amount to much. Just a bit of sandbox play. >(J)So...let's have some FUN!! I echo this sentiment. I'm having a ton of fun. This weekend, I'm gonna have even more fun at GORGG! >(D)Though we may or may not hear above or below certain assumed freqs., >(O)those freqs. still, I believe, play an integral part in the timbre of >(U)the sound/colorations. With no defined science to explain/justify/pacify/cajole? How can this BE? (he asked......tongue in cheek.....) >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:10:37 -0700 >From: "Scott Steele" > >Does anyone have Tales from the Acoustic Planet Vol 2? Yup. Best, Rich Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc. http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:13:46 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear At 12:39 PM +0000 10/4/99, Diana Green wrote: >His conclusion was >that if something worked even when our understanding of physics said >it could not, >possibly our understanding is what is at fault. I think we can all applaud the wisdom of that statement. Can't we? Best, Rich Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc. http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Barrett Subject: Re: gg: showing is proof, proving is nothing but fear >...how is it that bees can fly? Supposedly, it's aerodynamically >impossible. I have read that it is not currently explainable by any >currently known conventional scientific data. FYI, this is just an urban legend. (And it's usually said of bumblebees.) http://www.ginko.de/user/acl68/hum2.htm http://www.escape.ca/~acc/reading/bumble.html http://www.urbanlegends.com/ (search for "bumblebee") Not that this has anything to do with the topic under discussion. :-) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett Creator, The Gentle Giant Web Site | | dbarrett@blazemonger.com http://www.blazemonger.com/GG/ | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:54:16 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins &; Chessman; a tree; Material; Gary C > n.p. original music only Hey Mark Hans, where can we hear this stuff? >In fact, I specifically said that I would not take a position of that whole conundrum (it really doesn't matter, as the vinyl LP has already gone the way of the Edison cylinder). I saw a turntable for sale at the local superdupermarket yesterday (Fred Meyer). The superdupermarket sells groceries and clothes but also has a pharmacy, a garden section, and an "electronics" section - when we go there, the kids gravitate toward Nintendo/Playstation World while I check out the stereos and CDs. >np: Bill Frisell - Good Dog, Happy Man Dok, I love your playlist! Frisell comes to Portland when I get home from GORGG. >I have chosen caucais-a-tuer honky-a-dor Honquador? Que quiere decir "honquiador" en Espanol? >Think of me with kindness. . . Wish you were there Nick! >the best Loggins & Messina record in 20 years, and better than anything on "The Ladder". I look forward to listening to David Loftus's copy! ;) >As Peter Gabriel pointed out, "with a perfume, you can bottle all you make" Caryl Chessman sniffs the air and leads the parade. He knows, in-no-cent, you can bottle all you made. >Old Zen koan: if the tree falls in the woods, will anyone hear its timbre? If a tree falls in Brooklyn, did it fall off a log truck or is it plastic? >Also, the band Material used lots of spoken word by William S. Burroughs on their CDs (esp. "Seven Souls", in which Burroughs appears on most of the tracks). Material is a very good band: Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins and Bernie Worell are all involved on this project. Seven Souls is a great world music record. Hallucination Engine is a great fusion record. Buy these now. >Also, lots of people on this list are fans of Ken Nordine and the spoken word albums he did in the 50s (and 60s?). Yeah baby! Pass the bong. >I'm picking up Geir Hasnes at the airport Tuesday night. Gary, you are the man. >The Mets just swept the Pirates and are guaranteed at least a playoff game for the wild card. How many miracles can I take in one week?! You need one more (tonight). >(I hope Geir from Norway likes baseball! :-) ) After prolonged exposure to we Colonials, how can he not? >I also have "You're the Guy I Want To Share My Money With" that features Laurie Anderson, John Giorno, and Burroughs. Is this worth owning? Drew enthused about the WBK. >The band specializes in the horn section's precision instrument flailing and interrupting pieces by Kurt Weil and George Gershwin with non sequitur blasts of circus noises." Sounds like the Gone Orch only more through-composed? >However, I strongly feel that earnestness should be tempered with humor and modesty. If people think I'm being irreverent, fuck 'em." This guy is my hero from now on. >From: Barney Rubble He's back! Howzitgoinmann? >PS: Once for Rick Butler, I believe that was all. Once for Rick Butler, always for Rick Butler. >Last week, I heard an amazing CD of Bulgarian Wedding Music. Yeah, but try dancing to it. I dare you. ;) - S. np: Weather Report, first album scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:25:34 +0100 From: "Mark L. Potts" Subject: gg: Deep Purple and the London Symphony Orchestra - Concerto for Group and Orchestra 30th Anniversary Performance - Royal Albert Hall, London, England 26/9/99 Greetings Troubs! Thor here just wanting to post a little review of the Purps RAH bash. Also I wanted to see if I could take the record for the longest subject line! Anyhoo, here it is ... (and Carsten you don't need to bother scrolling down, mate!) First up was The London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Paul Mann (or is that Mann-ic?). They did a 20 min spot of four Scottish dances. Then, each member of Deep Purple did a solo spot. Jon Lord was first up playing a couple of pieces from his recent recording with special guests Sam Brown and Miller Anderson. Roger Glover was next up with a couple of tunes from Butterfly Ball with guest vocalist Ronnie James Dio and Eddie Hardin on Piano. Ian Gillan treated us to Via Miami, from Accidentally on Purpose (with The Rog and Steve Morris) and That's why God is singing the Blues from Dreamcatcher. Steve Morse, ably assisted by the superbly talented Dave LaRue and Van Romaine treated us to Night meets Light and a truly stunning (and most unexpected) Take it off the Top. Ian Paice and the Kick Horns rounded off the first half of the show with a jazz treatment of Wring that Neck. Following the Interval - very civilised, The Royal Albert Hall, darlings - the combined masses of the LSO and Deep Purple launched into the Concerto. Not as the record because the original scores had been lost for many years. A very dedicated fan had recreated the scores for Jon Lord by listening to the record and watching the video and, as best as he could, tried to figure out what had originally been there. Certainly parts were different - Ian Gillan's vocal was certainly extended (well he had only written the lyrics on the way to the original performance) and naturally Ol' Baldy's guitar parts had been amended slightly to suit Steve Morse - but not greatly. Ian Paice's tremendous drum solo on the original was not, I felt, recreated here but what he did do was excellent. I always felt that his original drum solo was awesome and one of the finest I've heard and as always Shi drumming was faultless throughout and he exuded a real sense of authority and his class shone through. A great professional IMHO. At the end of the 3rd Movement the standing ovation was instantaneous and lengthy. There was lots of back-slapping, swapping spittle and pissing in each others boots. Now I'm not one for displays of emotion of that type but I have to admit to a very warm fuzzy feeling and undeniable pride at being present at what was a truly historic event. Not having bought a program, I thought that was it - but, for once, I was wrong. A very heavy version of Ted the Mechanic by the band alone, was followed by Sometimes I feel like screaming and Watching the Sky - with varying accompaniment from the LSO and Kick Horns. Then with full Orchestral accompaniment an absolutely unbelievable and stunningly beautiful version of Pictures of Home brought about the third standing ovation of the night (Jon Lord had one at the beginning). If that wasn't enough, the LSO, Deep Purple, the Kick Horns and all the various guests crowded onto the stage for what I can only describe as - no I can't describe it, you had to be there - the most unbelievable version of Smoke on the Water ever performed - and believe me I have seen it performed live enough by various Gillincarnations to know. Ian Paice and Van Romaine on drums, Rog and Dave LaRue on basses, RJD and IG on vocals, Steve Morse and Steve Morris on lead guitars, Jon Lord on Organ, Mickey Lee Soule and Pete Brown (yes that Pete Brown!) on Pianos and every one else I've already mentioned. And, yes you guessed it another standing ovation as it took a hell of a long time for everyone to get off the stage!! All in all it lasted three hours. It took me 4.5 hours to get there and three hours to get home again. God, am I glad I went though. The video, MD, CD, DVD is out early next Century. Well worth the price of admission. Oh yeah, the T-shirt is purple (so is the program). Well, I'm signing off now for the rest of the week. Van Morrison in Manchester on Thursday (ably supported by Chris Farlowe and Stockport's finest - and an acquaintance of mine from the past, Norman Beaker. Friday sees me in London for Colosseum at the Astoria and Saturday Jeff Beck at the Shepherds Bush Empire. Next Tuesday takes me to Wolverhampton to see Mike Monroe (remember Hanoi Rocks anyone?), Glenn Hughes and Michael Schenker. I was to see Pat Travers on Wed but he cancelled. Well, I could do with the rest - I'm not getting any younger! Send for the Sinister Minister, Mark L. Potts The God of Thunder np: Golden Earring - 2nd Live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Barney Rubble Subject: RE: gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins&; Chessman Hey all, >> In fact, I specifically said that I would not take a position >> of that whole conundrum (it really doesn't matter, as the >> vinyl LP has already gone the way of the Edison cylinder). > I saw a turntable for sale at the local superdupermarket > yesterday (Fred Meyer). The superdupermarket sells groceries > and clothes but also has a pharmacy, a garden section, and an > "electronics" section - when we go there, the kids gravitate > toward Nintendo/Playstation World while I check out the stereos > and CDs. Actually, that isn't the only place. Catalogues from Sears Canada have been carrying special leaf inserts for the past two years now, advertising a budget-priced stereo system with a three-CD carousel, two tape decks, and a record player, for $699 Canadian (that's about $5.99 US... Just kidding. More like $499 US). Now, whether or not I would trust my Jimi Hendrix remasters and MoFi vinyl is another story. (Deep thoughts: would it be possible to 'scratch' a Edison cylinder, much like DJ's 'scratch' as record? S;^D) >> From: Barney Rubble > He's back! Howzitgoinmann? Apart from Chris Gaines overload (I tell you, the media blitz is worse than the New Kids on the Block, the Backstreet Boys, N-Sync and Britney Spears combined!), I'm doing dandy. (No hard feelings, Nick, eh? S:^S) Technically, I never left, it's just my mailbox that got overstuffed (grew to 280% its' limit size) over the summer, meaning I can't receive any more mail. After playing country/rock throughout the summer with a band leader with whom life is happier without, you can't believe how relieved I am to be able to kick back, relax, use the computer and get _paid_ for a change. S;^D >> PS: Once for Rick Butler, I believe that was all. > Once for Rick Butler, always for Rick Butler. Remember when people thought he'd created me? S;^D (Then again, "We had peace under the pleasant skies of Arcadia" does not usually sound like a newbie's first words to a mailing list..) Ah, those were the good old days... Back when it was okay to say you love the Partridge Family S;^D Glen (aka Barney Rubble) PS: Did whoever who had a copy of the Guess Who's "Wheatfield Soul" ever listen to it again? - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:01:26 +0100 From: "Mark L. Potts" Subject: gg: re: Dropping some NYC Hey Y'all, Just wanted to say... All of you going to New York this coming weekend have a great time and I'll be there with you in spirit if not in body. Roll one for me! Mark L. Potts The God of Thunder np: Yes - The Ladder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:09:04 EDT From: "Virginia Landgraf" Subject: gg: music of one's youth Doug Johnson wrote: (D)Perhaps that's a thread...what kinds of bands were you in when you were (O)younger...what are you doing now...how did that influence who you are (U)musically (listening and performing) today...do you wish you would have (G)done anything differently...what one thing would that be...am I asking (J)too many questions? Perhaps that's plaid instead. Church choirs, from age 7. Classical piano duets ages 8-11 or so; classical chamber music (mostly me on flute & my mother on piano, but there were some woodwind ensembles) from age 10. School band & orchestra from age 10. I quit taking piano lessons around age 12 but continued to improvise. In 9th grade our French class put on the rock opera _La Révolution Française_ by Boublil & Schönberg. I played some flute and piano on one song (Robespierre's solo) because I could actually hear the piano part and figure out what to do. But for the rest, my piano playing was hopelessly un-rocking, and they had a 10th-grade alumnus of the class who knew how to do it right. I opted out of marching band (and was therefore ineligible for orchestra) in high school because it conflicted with advanced placement history. I have never regretted that decision one minute since AP history was one of the richest, most useful classes I took in high school. I continued to have a rich musical life since I was still playing flute (my teacher gave me lots of 20th-century stuff such as Hindemith & Poulenc). I started listening to rock radio and found that I could transcribe the chord progressions of quite a few songs that I liked. Since flute is monophonic, I started playing rock songs by ear on the piano alongside my improvisations. But since my technique wasn't (and isn't) that great, I never learned an idiomatic way to play rock on the piano. I tended (and still do) to play rock on the piano as rhythm guitar. In college I didn't do a lot of instrumental work except for the semester I took "Projects in Performance and Composition" (believe it or not, this was the title of an improvisation class), where I got to not only play flute but run around and scream. I sang in a really good church choir (mostly not running around and screaming). I was a college radio DJ and learned about all kinds of music that was written for instruments I didn't play. Sometimes I would be running around the studio trying to think of the perfect song for the segue, and some music would occur to me and I'd realize that it wasn't somebody else's music -- it was something I was imagining that would sound good after the music that was on. Then I went to Thailand and started learning instruments again, and that changed my life. Instead of feeling frustrated that a lot of music I liked was not idiomatic for the instruments I knew how to play, I would play with an instrument and try to think of what combinations of sounds would be good on it. But some instruments were easier for me to learn than others (anything organized as a woodwind or around discrete finger motions was analogous to what I'd done as a flute player, pianist, or typist; the 2-stringed fiddle was easy to make a melody on but hard to make sound good). When I came back from Thailand I played in several different kinds of ensembles: a trio consisting of a pianist who played on the inside of the piano & with a rack of Asian percussion, a mountain dulcimer player, and me on winds; a quintet with 3 guitarists, a drummer, and me; and church choir & Sacred Harp singing groups. If I hadn't gotten into grad school I would have undoubtedly played with other permutations. Whenever I'm on the West Coast during the summer I try to go to a music camp where myriads of different kinds of international folk musicians jam together. I play kaen on what fits and flute on the rest unless the flute doesn't fit either. What would I have done differently? Well, besides that it occurs to me that my musical background reflects the fact that I was a social loner as a child and didn't know how to get together spontaneously with people my own age -- I would have learned some kind of stringed, note-bending instrument in addition to the flute & keyboards. That would give me something else to play with that I don't have on flute, kaen or keyboards. Would it make much difference now if I'd been more in tune with the tastes of other kids my age and started listening to rock earlier? I don't know. Some of my favorite rock music was released before I knew much about rock at all, although I was alive and musically aware in my own fashion at the time. If I'd have been aware of rock groups as a child I might not have had as much space for the other interesting things occupying my brain. In 1981 I wished very much to have been able to see tours of _A Passion Play_, _Selling England by the Pound_, _Dark Side of the Moon_, etc. But now it doesn't matter much to me. If I get to go to a show, it's gravy. If I don't, I can lose myself on a bench with a kaen. Ginny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Barney Rubble Subject: gg: Yup, Phillip! S:^) Hey Phil (and all), >> Actually, that isn't the >> only place. Catalogues from Sears Canada have been carrying > >> special leaf inserts for the past two years now, advertising a >> budget-priced stereo system with a > three-CD carousel, two >> tape decks, and a record player, for $699 Canad ian (that's >> about $5.99 US... Just kidding. More like $499 US). Now, > More like 475 Glenn > > Phil That's right, I'd forgotten where I was posting. S;^D Glen (aka Barney Rubble) - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:46:30 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: More SuperStar In a message dated 10/4/99 8:38:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, r.beck@umds.ac.uk writes: << I'm off work today, 'cos I'm recovering from the 'flu. It's given me a bit of time to continue with the translation of the Italian 'SuperStar' collection, something I've been doing for the last 20 years (or it just feels like it). >> Wow! Great stuff and thanks for the translation! Dan 66 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:24:42 -0700 From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Pablo; Yes; banjo/Fleck; Earthworks; Bruford What is the CD called. I'll buy it! Forgive me asking if you told me on another post. JohnEric Scott Steele wrote: > No no no no no, I'm not the banjo player I was talking about. There is a banjo solo on the McLaughlin record that I want John Eric to hear. > - -- Fugazi --- Any opinions? http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:32:51 -0700 From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Original; vinyl is alive; Frisell; honquiador; Nick P; Loggins&; Chessman; a tree; Material; Gary C Scott. Yes, this release is worth having. Also, I notice that you like the first Weather Report. This is a wonderful album. JohnEric Scott Steele wrote: > >I also have "You're the Guy I Want To Share My Money With" > that features Laurie Anderson, John Giorno, and Burroughs. > > Is this worth owning? > > np: Weather Report, first album > > scottst@ohsu.edu - -- Fugazi --- Any opinions? http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:21:01 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Re:FM In a message dated 10/4/99 8:34:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jtapia1@yahoo.com writes: << --- Reginald Dunlop wrote: > > np: FM - "Direct To DIsc/Headroom" And Jesus asked: Is this a new FM release? Is this the same FM I'm thinking of? >> This is technically their 1st (1977) and was recorded in a novel "Direct-to-disc" format, that is live to master disc. No tape, no overdubs, no etc. Obviously, many takes were done and many master discs created, but the best 2 discs were used in the pressings of Sides A&B for this LP. Dan 42/7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:22:58 -0400 From: Jonathan Roberts Subject: gg: Two Weird Comments... As I said, I'm getting caught up on threads... Someone mentioned Coryell & Mouzon? One of the worst shows I ever saw was one they did. A knife fight broke out several rows in front of me during the show and they didn't even stop. Utter garbage. Someone else mentioned Jeff Beck. He's got a sister named "Bada," no? Best, -- Jon jonathan roberts \ the region of where guitar:synth:notes \ mailto:nartsegg@pobox.com ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1897 ************************************