on-reflection-digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1876 gg: Sapphire bullets of pure love gg: PtF booklet gg: RE: Sapphire bullets of pure love Re: gg: Re: Herb Alpert Re: nogg: Chess the Musical gg: GORGGed! gg: Your tape... Re: gg: PtF booklet gg: GORGGe: D Re: Nogg: Your tape...and Kafka/FZ Re: gg: GORGGe: D RE: nongg: Passport gg: Voivod; butcher cover; Firesign; Noel vs Jimi; Dunlop; Doldinger Jubilee; Focus; Alpert gg: Re: RE: mea culpa RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM no gg: A&M RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM gg: Bawdy album covers gg: Re: Bawdy album covers nogg: KC in Mexico file format gg: Arrangements, HTM, Hands gg: No GG: Movin' to Montana Soon gg: Re: Herb Alpert's Cream gg: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce Re: gg: Arrangements gg: Re: t-shirts gg: Fw: pH tour Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM gg: Re: Bawdy album covers gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts gg: Yule Is His? (or Jimmie, Vlad, and Hermie) gg: Re: Re: Bawdy album covers gg: Re: Bawdy album covers gg: RE: t-shirts Re: nongg: Passport Re: gg: HTM, Hands Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers gg: Bawdy album covers nongg: Books Re: nogg: They were coming to take me away but I was at work... Re: nogg: MIM Re: gg: PtF booklet Re: gg: Bawdy album covers gg: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content! Re: nogg: MIM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:28:58 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: gg: Sapphire bullets of pure love At 5:59 AM -0700 9/22/99, Tindall wrote: >Lottich wonders about Whipped Cream: > ><< Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this?>> > > Yup. Me. I bought it myself, being a trumpet-learning kid, >and grokking Herb & the Brass. My dad did allow me to buy it, >though, giggling and saying "Wait 'til your mother sees this!" In fifth grade, I played trombone in a band called "The Teenie Weenie Brass" with 4 other like-aged guys. We did all that stuff..... And yeah, Dad had the Whipped Cream album, and all their others. I think John Weathers played drums, and Tijuana Taxi had a mellotron on it at 2:43. Best, Rich - - "My mind's a tomb inside my skull" - "Cabin John", by Reid Genauer, Strangefolk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:30:38 +0100 (BST) From: Rik Beck Subject: gg: PtF booklet Hello aGGain, During my attempts to catalogue my music collection on my PC (hey, can anyone help me with Microsoft's 'Access'?), I rediscovered my copy of Playing the Fool. Inside the sleeve was a small booklet in black and white (with a bit of red) with about 12 pages of history and photos. In a quiet moment here at work, I looked for mentions of it on Dan's Website, but couldn't find anything. Without wishing to sound completely naive, is the existence of this booklet common knowledge? Does anyone want further details? rb P.S. The new Yes CD opens well, but lacks something thereafter. There are nice references to previous songs here and there, which are fun, but I'm not sure about it as a whole. Any other comments? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:57:50 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: gg: RE: Sapphire bullets of pure love Rich, "Surfin' Senorita" Hilton wrote: << And yeah, Dad had the Whipped Cream album, and all their others. I think John Weathers played drums, and Tijuana Taxi had a mellotron on it at 2:43.>> No way, man. Coco Roussel played drums, and the Mellotron at 2:43 is in Cantina Blue, pretending to be a marimba. I can prove it. It was a model GG-ixnay. Very potent keyboard, but terrible spitvalve problems on the road. What a bunch of great tunes, eh? Partial to Sol Lake's stuff, myself. Adios, Mi Corazon, Bill T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Re: Herb Alpert On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Steve and Terry Lottich wrote: > At 10:49 AM 9/21/99 +0200, Frank B. Carvalho wrote: > >>Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also > >>listened to. In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was > >>one of the first (For those who don't know, the album featured a > >>brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and > >> -David Eric ...mmmmm! My parents had that one too! Frank > > Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this? My Dad didn't have it. I had to listen to his Vanilla Fudge albums instead. He did have a whole series of Oscar Brand "Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads," with subject matter concerning everything from heavy drinking and whoring to voyeurism, and a delightful Western ditty called "Blinded By Turds," which I enjoyed. I also got a lot of visual mileage out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage.... David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:34:14 -0400 From: "Marc P. Guilbert" Subject: Re: nogg: Chess the Musical Noticing a few postings about "One Night in Bangkok" on here. I didn't care for the song when it came out on radio, but a few years later I bought a used copy of the 2 LP "Chess" musical it came from. What a pleasant surprise! It's the one "musical" I'd recommend to prog fans. There's a LOT of music crammed into this, many different styles get played (like a good nod to Deep Purple at near the end of the 3rd cut, and some GG-style vocal counterpoint on the fourth track "Quartet"). Also surprisingly keyboard based, albeit mostly DX-7. Noteworthy synthesized harp on the instrumental track "Chess" with full orchestra backing it up. Thoughtful libretto by Tim Rice, also, even though the Iron Curtain premise is now hopelessly dated. True, it IS a musical, so some parts drag, but I still play the C-60 cassette I culled from the 90 minutes of the album. Be aware, though, that there are 2 "Chess" musicals: the European version with a black cover, and the American production with a white cover. This recommendation is for the black cover; I haven't heard the white covered one. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: gg: GORGGed! My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today! I can attest that they are absofuckinglutelytotally awesome!!! Maybe even fab. Maybe even gear. Thanks, guys. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: Your tape... is now out of my hands and into the capable and competent ones of the USPS. Actually, one of the names I came up with for the band was Psycho Postmen...the name is probably more apt for the OR list! Anyway, after the GG ends on the 2nd side I included some mammoriginals for your listening pleasure. The 1st is a rather tedious insrumental entitled Crimes that osMoosIs and I collaborated on...it runs about 20 min. and was recorded appx. 10 years ago. The 2nd is one my cousin wrote that I helped to arrange and record called Back to Reality. I helped with the backup vox on that one. The 3rd tune is cowritten by my cousin and I. That's me singing lead if you can call it that! These 2 songs were done maybe 5 yrs. back. You can always tape over this stuff if you find it offensive to your ears...as I'm sure you will. Later, mammie. Let me know what you think when you get a chance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:12:39 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: PtF booklet hail! re: Rik Beck wrote: > Hello aGGain, > > During my attempts to catalogue my music collection on my PC (hey, can > anyone help me with Microsoft's 'Access'?), I rediscovered my copy of > Playing the Fool. Inside the sleeve was a small booklet in black and > white (with a bit of red) with about 12 pages of history and photos. In > a quiet moment here at work, I looked for mentions of it on Dan's > Website, but couldn't find anything. You lucky stiff! This is the first British pressing of PtF and that booklet was only in something like 1500 copies, or so I'm told by hawkers in the dealers' rooms! Of course, the content has been reproduced in the BGO twofer booklet, but, oh, to have the original... > P.S. The new Yes CD opens well, but lacks something thereafter. Well, it's nice that they at least made it easy to get it out of the case. :-) still, dg np: Shawn Phillips: Furthermore rp: Sandy Denny: The North Star Grassman and the Ravens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:19:26 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: GORGGe: D "David J. Loftus" wrote: >My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today! Egg salad majente! >I can attest that they are *bs*f*ck*ngl*t*lyt*t*lly *w*s*m*!!! > >Maybe even f*b. > >Maybe even g**r. Yes, but do you _like_ them...? (heh) DJ Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:25:51 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: Re: Nogg: Your tape...and Kafka/FZ mammienun@webtv.net wrote: >is now out of my hands and into the capable and competent ones of the >USPS. Actually, one of the names I came up with for the band was Psycho >Postmen...the name is probably more apt for the OR list!...Later, mammie. >Let me know what you think when you get a chance. (D)Thanx for the laffs, mamms! I'm guessing you don't intend on sending this (J)tape to 300+ people though, right? (D)Yes, and I'm 'proud' to have made the same embarrassing mistake myself... (J)...at least once. DJ (D)P.S. Just finished re-reading "In the Penal Colony" by Kafka...now I'm (J)ready to listen to...you guessed it! Again, after all these years... ...FZ we hardly knew ye... Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: GORGGe: D On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, DE Johnson wrote: > "David J. Loftus" wrote: > >My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today! > > Egg salad majente! > > >I can attest that they are *bs*f*ck*ngl*t*lyt*t*lly *w*s*m*!!! > > > >Maybe even f*b. > > > >Maybe even g**r. > > Yes, but do you _like_ them...? (heh) > > DJ Ehhhh...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:46:33 -0700 From: Aldo Ballestrasse Subject: RE: nongg: Passport Peter write: Hi all! Sorry Dan, you're not right. The album you mentioned is called "Doldinger Jubilee '75". Anything else is correct, but my LP is Atlantic ATL 50 186. I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070). This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars: Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete York. Tracklist: Handmade / Freedom Jazz Dance (a killer version!) / Schirokko / Rockport / Rock Me Baby / Lemurias Dance. The Passport members on both have been: Klaus Doldinger (Saxes, Synth) Kristian Schulze (Keys) Curt Cress (Drums) Wolfgang Schmid (Bass) Both vinyls are avaiable on CD published by WEA in 1990. I made a compilation of my vinyls on cd-r. BTW: Passport was one of the best live bands I have ever seen! c-ya p.g. :-) Yes indeed Passport was very good the one time I saw them live. We were a bit worried as the auditorium was half empty. Should have been promoted more. Thanks guys I just ordered Jubilee'75 and Looking Through ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:02 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Voivod; butcher cover; Firesign; Noel vs Jimi; Dunlop; Doldinger Jubilee; Focus; Alpert >Voivod is not a dumb group... aaaaah - just a bunch of hacks. ;) >Remember the discussion of whether the Beatles' butcher cover was still all that valuable? The still sealed copy that was recently up for auction from Good Rockin' Tonight sold for $38,500...the highest price ever paid for a record at auction. Good lord. >"Well, you boys fight it out amongst yourselves." >"Okay, Mother." >"Objectivity is subjective!" >"Not when it transcends a rational plane of thought!" What a special comedy group the Firesign Theatre are. >Bottom line, Noel Redding believed that Jimi Hendrix should have been working for him! If I had dropped that much acid I might have been equally insane. >Hey Daniel,be careful what you say about VOIVOD,you could feel the wrath of the Dunlop dude,he can be very nasty if provoked... He really had it under control in his reply don't you think? Amazing. I really liked the part where he said you might not like Voivod if you don't like heavy metal. That's really true. >6 tracks: Compared To What/Albatros Song/Abracadabra/Jadoo/Ready For Takeoff/Angel Wings I love this record. Philip Catherine is The Man. >I've been meaning to get Hamburger Concerto for years on disc! Where did you find it?? 1974 was a very good year! I've forgotten but I'll try to remember for you. They were about $15 apiece, not too bad. They are mid-line remasters (by Mike Vernon, the guy who originally recorded them) on EMI and were imports. >Bill "Where's my spoon???" T Just use your fingers! >You can find it at Rockhouse The CD can be backordered. It's called '2 in 1: Live at the Rainbow/Hamburger Concerto' and it goes for US$ 21.25 plus S+H. It's the cheapest I could find. I got two separate ones for $15 apiece - this sounds like a better way to go. >Later in life, my preference was The Baja Marimba Band over Alpert. I liked them better too. A good Alpert chart was called "Slick" - was that on Whipped Cream or one of his other albums? - S. np: NetRadio acid jazz channel scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:03:43 -0700 From: "Frank Lauria" Subject: gg: Re: RE: mea culpa From: Richard Hilton >>At 9:14 AM +0200 9/22/99, Frank B. Carvalho wrote: >>Well, I went and close listened the section on PtF. It is in the >>Octopus medley >>from 6:30 to 6:41. But I am now in doubt. It could in fact be a >>lousy amplified >>violin through a phaser. > >That's Minimoog, probably through a phaser, played by Kerry with his >right hand. Yeah, but *which fingers*??? P-Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:31:15 -0400 From: Toby Trott Subject: RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM Wacky Racontuers, dashthecat@webtv.net mused re: "One night in Bankok": > hmmm, it's early and I'm half asleep. That's from a musical.... Miss > Saigon? Or which one, I can hear the voice in my head singing it >snip< and the Krautmeister responded: >Well, of course it was half-Abba's musical "Chess" - with Murray Head singing >the great One Night In Bangkok. Not quite prog though, is it? Really? I thought "Chess" was yet-another-Andrew-F*&^ing-Lloyd-Webber thing. I agree, though...not quite prog. - --- I'm so glad to see the "did Kerry use a Melotron" and "Could Fat Matress have opened for Jimi Hendrix" threads...we needed some good debates around here to get the excitement going again. Have at it boys. :-) - --- Not that my opinion matters, but re: Boxing, Hockey, and most other sports that involve bleeding, they just never appealed to me for entertainment. Somehow the Henry Cow line "Violence completes the partial mind" speaks to me. The rest of you are welcome to enjoy whatever bloody thing you like, but it ain't my cup-o-tea. - --- All this talk about first records, and first concerts: - -My first non-orchestral concert: at age 12, my mother took me to see Herb Alpert at Royal Albert Hall (before they knew how many holes it took to fill it). She was soooo good that she got us seats ON STAGE behind the band so that I could watch the drummer...since I was a drummer in my Jr. High school band. - -My first concert without Mom: Almond Bros and Santana in Atlanta, 1968. I was 16. - -My first albums: Rolling Stones "High Tide and Green Grass" (their first "best of") and "Kicks" from Paul Revere and the Raiders. I was 12. - -My first single: Impossible to tell...my brother had his own little radio station so he collected all sorts of stuff. I think I may have bought "They're coming to take me away ha ha" but I'm not too sure. The first single I played a lot was some folk group doing "The Man on the MTA" about some guy stuck on the Boston Subway because he lost his ticket...his wife brought him sandwiches every day and handed them to him through the window. I would have been about 4 or 5. "He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. He's the man on the MTA!" - --- How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a talented guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? Not that I'm a really big Kotke fan, but I have enjoyed his music, and he seems to have the chops. - --- And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM? Eh? Mammienun...you should know what with the nuns knowlege of Latin and such. - --- NP in my head: Slapp Happy/Henry Cow "Desparate Straights"...ahhhh Dagmar! "Can hats favour fire? Can a hat aspire to higher things?" Toby @work it's trott@sas.com and @home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com - ------------------ ...world's a stage...play their parts...I have chosen "Badge Madge" apparently. So, what the heck is a "Madge"? eh? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:42:17 +0200 From: "Jan Dubbe" Subject: no gg: A&M At 10:49 AM 9/21/99 +0200, Frank B. Carvalho wrote: > >Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also >listened to. >>In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was one of the first >> (For those who don't know, the album >>featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and >> For a 12 year old, it >> -David Eric ...mmmmm! My parents had that one too! Frank Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this? SteveL Well, my dad still has'n got this one and I doubt he ever will, having turned 80 this year, but he still enjoys all of the great stuff by Burt Bacharach, Anita Kerr, HiLo's, etc. Anyone know Bill Evans (I mean the pianist, famous for introducing the Fender-Rhodes with his truly great, but totally unnoticed album "From Left to Right" - 1970)? There is still so much to be discovered....And don't we all know that? nd: Glen Ord single malt np: Daryll-Ann - Happy Traum (great new album by Dutch band!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Toby Trott wrote: > -My first single: Impossible to tell...my brother had his own little > radio station so he collected all sorts of stuff. I think I may have > bought "They're coming to take me away ha ha" but I'm not too sure. By Napoleon the ... 24th? Damn, I can't remember his number. > The first single I played a lot was some folk group doing "The Man on > the MTA" about some guy stuck on the Boston Subway because he lost his > ticket...his wife brought him sandwiches every day and handed them to > him through the window. I would have been about 4 or 5. > > "He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. He's the man on the > MTA!" Kingston Trio, I think. "Charley and the MTA." David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:05:35 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers > I also got a lot of visual mileage > out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several > peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage.... > David Loftus So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?" I've got a picture disc single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed topless. Who's next???? -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, David and Stacey Shur wrote: > > I also got a lot of visual mileage > > out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several > > peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage.... > > David Loftus > > So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?" I've got a > picture disc single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on > Blonde, who posed topless. Who's next???? -David Eric Well, now that you mention it, I recall picking up a copy of Humble Pie's _Thunderbox_ that had a (if you'll pardon the expression) stiff inner sleeve with warm color photos of young nudes in Penthouse- or David Hamilton-style soft focus. The cover itself looked like a wooden door with a huge keyhole cut in the middle of it to reveal the soft folds of the lap of one of the sweet young thangs. I listened to the album once. Maybe parts of it twice. The cover was by far the best part of the album, and it wasn't that good. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:10 -0400 From: Toby Trott Subject: nogg: KC in Mexico file format Wacky Racontuers So, I finally managed to download the King Crimson Mexico file to my PC here at work, and I somehow figured it was MP3, but it says it is a special format that can only be played with that Windows Media Player which is NOT available for Macs. It figures ...it's a Microsoft product...they would never be so kind as to use any standard transportable format, or allow a Mac to be able to use the file. So, does anybody have a clue how this concert might be converted to an MP3? Short of that, I suppose I'll have to hook up a my cassette recorder to my work computer just to have a portable version of this concert to enjoy...I can't do much serious music listening at work on a job that involves answering the phone at random intervals...can't really crank it up, and can't use head- phones. Life is sooo cruel. Toby @work it's trott@sas.com, and @home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com - -------- ...world's a stage...play their part...I have chosen Microsoft disparager or File Format Convert-ador ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:22 -0400 From: "Jerry McCarthy" Subject: gg: Arrangements, HTM, Hands Gang-- One of the things I've always liked best about GG was their ability to re-arrange their compositions to varying extents for live performance. Some may disagree, but I've always believed that the live arrangement of On-Reflection qualified it as GG's most heavily rearranged song for the stage (not counting medleys), and hearing it again recently got me to thinking. I've heard live versions of O-R that were performed very soon after the release date of Free Hand, so I'm assuming for this discussion that the song was never performed live using the FH studio arrangement (if this is incorrect, I know someone will tell me! :-). As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot. If that was the case, why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the first place? I've heard of instances of bands playing studio arrangements live and, finding over time that they just weren't working, eventually changing the arrangement for concerts. I'm not sure that I'm aware of any other example where the studio version of a song was never even attempted live. Of course, I'm not complaining that GG issued the studio version that's on FH. In fact, I love that there are essentially two O-R's for us to enjoy. Just strikes me as a little strange, that's all. Composers/musicians (which is most of you), please discuss. Thanks! Jim Klocek wrote: > > ... (For those who don't know, the album > > featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and > > looking into the camera with THAT look in her eyes.) For a 12 year old, > > it was an eye opener.... -David Eric > > Hoo-boy...parallel adolescence! Gimme a spoon and I'll bring the pudding! "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" - --- A question re: the Happy The Man remasters just out on One Way: This probably applies only to a small (or nonexistent?) group, but if anyone who already had the Japanese reissues of Happy The Man and Crafty Hands has also gotten these new remasters, can you please provide a review/comparison? Thanks. - --- Brad (New Daddy) Oldham wrote: > Last I heard, Hands was reforming and was going to play at, I believe, > Progfest. Anybody know any more about that? Jerry McCarthy, do you know? Don't know. Haven't been in touch with Michael Clay since the Spring. There had been a June release date for a new Hands album but that seems to have gone by the boards. I presume the Progfest date did as well. Too bad. Can anyone confirm? Has anyone heard from Michael? I know Kiirja has tried but to no avail. I hope he returns to us soon. I now return you to today's episode of "Find the Mellotron"... - --Jerry (NP: Nathan Mahl - The Clever Use of Shadows) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:38:29 -0500 From: Jim Klocek Subject: gg: No GG: Movin' to Montana Soon <> "Yes, I am." Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:44:12 -0500 From: Jim Klocek Subject: gg: Re: Herb Alpert's Cream << Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this? SteveL>> 'Twas my Mom's record. She had big plans for my Dad. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:41:52 -0500 From: Jim Klocek Subject: gg: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce <> Was it a pilgrimmage to the sacred Neptune NJ, birthplace of the Boss, or in Philly? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:53:14 +0200 From: Yehuda Kotton Subject: Re: gg: Arrangements Jerry McCarthy wrote: > As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was > to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be > so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot. If that was the case, > why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the > first place? I've heard of instances of bands playing studio My thoughts on this was that they changed the arrangement because Kerry didn't/couldn't/wouldn't sing his lead vocals live. It probably wouldn't have worked out for Derek to sing Kerry's lead: "I'll remember the good things how can you forget..." so they arranged that part for string quartet (or whatever that is). Yehuda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:40:39 -0400 From: r-n-kworthy Subject: gg: Re: t-shirts I got home from work today and lo and behold 2 fantastic t-shirts were in my mailbox. Thanx Nick. they are worth double what you asked. My wife saw 2 and said Oh you got me one too. I looked at her and said Nope they're both mine. Then I proceeded to duck so the pan wouldnt hit me. Once again Great job Nick and many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:08:30 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: Fw: pH tour - -----Original Message----- From: Saroka, Julius To: 'ph7@arastar.com' Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: pH tour >i have the oppotunity to try to convince a local venue to add a Hammill show >to their schedule. >i would like to get some idea of if it is worth the effort that it will take >to try to set this up. >will anyone that is willing to come to the Cleveland/Akron OHIO area in >early November for a pH-show please send a _private_ e-mail to my account >at dr_jstrange@hotmail.com by the end of next week, so that i can show the >booking agent that there _is_ enough interest to try to do this. > > >thank you for your time and attention; >Julius J SAROKA >Test Development Engineer >Aironet Wireless Communication, Inc. (MFG) >91 Springside Drive >Akron, OHIO 44333 >phone: 330-664-7369 >fax: 330-664-7855 > thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:13:34 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM >--- >How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a talented >guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? Not that I'm a >really big Kotke fan, but I have enjoyed his music, and he seems to have the chops. >--- i'm a big Kottke fan - if you ever get the op to see him live GO! he is a _real_ comedian too - the first time i saw him, he told a story about some German Count who had an ether jones and i almost collapsed a lung laughing. thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:15:25 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers there was a band called Mama Lion that had a buxom wench playing wet-nurse to a real lion cub, and then Roxy Music "Country life", and that's all that cum to mind right now.... thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO - -----Original Message----- From: David and Stacey Shur To: David J. Loftus ; Steve and Terry Lottich Cc: Frank B. Carvalho ; casglatze@t-online.de ; on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail) Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers >> I also got a lot of visual mileage >> out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several >> peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage.... >> David Loftus > >So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?" I've got a picture disc >single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed >topless. Who's next???? -David Eric > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:26:59 +0000 From: Toby Trott Subject: gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts Wacky Racontuers, I came home to find a package from Nick in my mail this evening. I must have looked like a kid at Christmas ripping the package open right there at the mailbox, and sure enough inside were my two GORGG T-shirts. Huzzah and Kudos to Nick for an excellent design and a great job on these wearable collectors artworks. This is O-R at it's best: talented folks sharing their talents with a very appreciative audience. NYC ain't gonna know what hit them! np: Star Trek Voyager...hey, I can't help myself...it's the season premier and the conclusion to last years cliff hanger. Toby @home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com, @work it's trott@sas.com - ---- ...world's a stage...play their part...I am Beau Brummel in my GORGG T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:30:59 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: Yule Is His? (or Jimmie, Vlad, and Hermie) I can not aGGree with the statement that "Ulysses" is the best book _ever_ written in the English language, because I have not read all of the boox written in the English language. Also, I prefer several other authors to Joyce. His style worx on many levels, but is not satisfying enough to me. As I have stated before, I prefer several other authors to Joyce, Nabokov and Melville being among them. Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:53:50 -0400 From: "Drew W. Eaton" Subject: gg: Re: Re: Bawdy album covers How about Juicy Lucy? Drew - -----Original Message----- From: drj_saro To: David and Stacey Shur Cc: *On Reflection Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:51 PM Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers >there was a band called Mama Lion that had a buxom wench playing wet-nurse >to a real lion cub, and then Roxy Music "Country life", and that's all that >cum to mind right now.... > >thank you for your time and attention. > >Julius J. SAROKA >drj_saro@neo.rr.com >Cuyahoga Falls OHIO > >-----Original Message----- >From: David and Stacey Shur >To: David J. Loftus ; Steve and Terry Lottich > >Cc: Frank B. Carvalho ; casglatze@t-online.de >; on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail) > >Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:17 PM >Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers > > >>> I also got a lot of visual mileage >>> out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several >>> peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage.... >>> David Loftus >> >>So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?" I've got a picture >disc >>single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed >>topless. Who's next???? -David Eric >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:46:39 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers Let's not forget the English Hendrix album version of Electric Ladyland. I also have the Roxy Music Country Life album. Forgot about Mama ion. -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:08:32 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: gg: RE: t-shirts Haha! I got mine today, too, but I told Steph that one of them was hers. Time will tell...I'm not *that* dumb. Jeez, Rich, honestly. ;^) Thanks, Nicko. Them raisins done ya good. "Skratch..skritchity skritchity skritch skritch". Nice work, man. Bill "As dumb as I look" T - -----Original Message----- From: r-n-kworthy Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:41 PM To: William Tindall; 'on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail)' Subject: Re: t-shirts I got home from work today and lo and behold 2 fantastic t-shirts were in my mailbox. Thanx Nick. they are worth double what you asked. My wife saw 2 and said Oh you got me one too. I looked at her and said Nope they're both mine. Then I proceeded to duck so the pan wouldnt hit me. Once again Great job Nick and many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:34:28 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: nongg: Passport In a message dated 9/22/99 10:03:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, peter.gelhaus@debitel.net writes: << Sorry Dan, you're not right. The album you mentioned is called "Doldinger Jubilee '75". Anything else is correct, but my LP is Atlantic ATL 50 186. I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070). This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars: Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete York. >> Damn! That's TWICE this year I've been wrong! This one I've never seen. LOVE Auger on the Hammond & Rhodes. I'm gonna have to go find this one! Thanks for the info Peter! Dan 66 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:09:23 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: HTM, Hands In a message dated 9/22/99 4:37:54 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jerry@aip.org writes: << This probably applies only to a small (or nonexistent?) group, but if anyone who already had the Japanese reissues of Happy The Man and Crafty Hands has also gotten these new remasters, can you please provide a review/comparison? >> Well, I have only the vinyl, but Wayside states: "Previously available only as pricey Japanese imports, the sound has been reworked for improved listening." So I'm sure they'll be very nice (and @$10, a mega-bargain!) but it's been my experience that one just can't compete w/the Japanese on these things... Dan 6666 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers I always thought the sleeve from Alan White's Ramshackled was really cool. Mammbo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:23:39 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers > I always thought the sleeve from Alan White's Ramshackled was really > cool. Mammbo. Description, please. -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:14:56 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: nongg: Books If anyone is interested in HARD Sci-fi, micro-biology, genetics and evolution theory, check out my current read "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear. This thing sometimes reads like a textbook but has a compelling storyline. Bear is a monster. Dan 3x2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:04:03 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: nogg: They were coming to take me away but I was at work... In a message dated 9/22/99 4:14:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dloft@netcom.com writes: << By Napoleon the ... 24th? Damn, I can't remember his number. >> Napoleon the 13th as I recall... Dan (XIII - VII) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:02:13 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: nogg: MIM In a message dated 9/22/99 3:56:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time, trott@wnt.sas.com writes: << And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM? >> For all you Roman Numeral fans, it's my understanding that you can use the "I" in front of the X, V, L or C but not the D or the M. Dan VI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:58:36 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: PtF booklet In a message dated 9/22/99 11:17:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, dgreen2@earthlink.net writes: << You lucky stiff! This is the first British pressing of PtF and that booklet was only in something like 1500 copies, or so I'm told by hawkers in the dealers' rooms! Of course, the content has been reproduced in the BGO twofer booklet, but, oh, to have the original... >> That number sounds low, as I got one as an import upon release in Colorado when I was working in retail vinyl. I ordered 5, and all of em had one...but maybe I was just another lucky stiff! Dan 2x3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Bawdy album covers Alan White's solo lp had a really nice piece of artwork on the sleeve..not the jacket. It's a picture of an old man...a profile bust if you will. His head is made up of nude women. Not really bawdy...more artsy. My jap import cd (which BTW is autographed by AW) has the picture on a separate insert. The artist was Henry Hodgson. Wish I could give you a better descript...mammiedon'tknownun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:35:18 -0400 From: "Nick" Subject: gg: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content! David J. Loftus explains the secret of life: >. . . .my Dad didn't have it. I had to listen to his Vanilla Fudge albums instead. And much is explained! But seriously a small part of me is certain that hearing "You keep me hanging on" was a small, but significant life-changing experience, at least in regards to music -- Wow -- dig that Hammond! NP: Blinker The Star - new CD on DreamWorks - their third and jumping up into my top ten for the year rapidly. Now to dig out the old ones again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: nogg: MIM Even if I were well versed in Latin, it woudn't have helped me nun here. They're Roman numerals...duh! MIMienun. ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1876 ************************************