on-reflection-digest Wednesday, September 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1844 gg: on-reflection-digest V1 #1843 -Reply Re: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations Re: gg: RE: "AtT"/"Hex"/"Low Flying Aircraft"/"In The Land of Grey and Pink" gg: abbr. no gg: Renaissance gg: You can't be serious gg: Free Hand is next; you are me and I am you gg: AtT impact; Crimson in 1969 Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! gg: RE: Mammiepoll gg:now Yes gg: Spank Me? gg: Copious flow of lachrimal fluid Re: gg: EGBDF gg: junior brown Re: gg: EGBDF gg: no GG: first album? / my new e-mail address Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! Re: gg: Mammienun Poll. gg: Re: Cool Shows in Chicago gg: No GG: Stop me before I abbreviate again! gg: your latest point Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! Re: gg: no GG: first album? / my new e-mail address Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery gg: Re: Mammiepoll results (so far) gg: first album Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! gg: Yes Close To The Edge Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery gg: First album Re: gg: your latest point Re: gg: Spank Me? Re: gg: abbr. Re: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations gg: RE: First album gg: Yes Edge gg: Re: Mammienun Poll. Re: gg: RE: First album Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery gg: This should get your attention. gg: RE: First album...Help!!! gg: Virgin Vinyl gg: New Tull Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:55:59 +0100 From: Bill OReilly Subject: gg: on-reflection-digest V1 #1843 -Reply Bill O'Reilly is on Leave from the 1st to 17th September. If you have any problems please either contact Adeolu Olusanya Ext 5243 or Nick Nicalou Ext 5196. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, JohnEric wrote: > > > --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > > Do I abbr. exc.? If so I'm unaware.IMO. BTW..I find this to be annoying > > too. If you can't spell it out...don't spell it at all. GG, AtT, TF, > > etc. Can you imagine...Now that my H's are F from the ties, etc.? Help > > me off the floor, Ez > > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:06:06 -0700 (PDT) > > From: JohnEric > > Subject: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations > > To: "Gentle Giant"_Group > > > > This may seem petty to some of you, but I do not enjoy wading through > > e-mails employing excessive use of abbreviations. Eventually, I do > > figure > > them out ... but why make us waste valuable time going through the > > motions? Go ahead and smirk, make snide comments, and flame me if you > > wish. From now on, I am going to glance at the e-mail, and if there is > > an > > excessive use of abbreviations, I won't bother with them. I apologize > > to > > those of you that use them a lot, but my time is limited. > > > > Thanks for listening > > > > JEE So what does JEE stand for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: RE: "AtT"/"Hex"/"Low Flying Aircraft"/"In The Land of Grey and Pink" On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Nick wrote: > I was a latecomer to "Acquiring The Taste" -- probably my 4th or 5th Giant > acquisition; My "life-changing" prog record was probably The Moody Blues > [stop laughing! I was 12 OK?] "On The Threshold Of A Dream". I'm not laughing. I discovered "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" at about that age, too ... at the public library! Illegally taped their copy along with the Bad Co. debut. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:59:18 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch Subject: gg: abbr. WTF? Steffen - -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:03:08 -0400 From: "Jerry McCarthy" Subject: no gg: Renaissance Julian Belanger, DDS-by-marriage-one-day-perhaps-maybe wrote: > I need some Renaissance info. I own 3 Renaissance recordings. They are : > > "Turn Of The Cards"(my favourite)-"Scheherazade & Other Stories"-"Novella" > > Should I buy the follow up to "Novella" called "Songs For All Seasons"? I > heard the sound was pointing the way to the decline of Renaissance...is this > true or is it as good as the ones above? In true O-R fashion, I feel compelled to offer you my opinion which, naturally, will contradict much, but not all, of what Julius and Dan Claudio opined, thereby leaving you worse off than if you hadn't asked us at all! ;-) A Song For All Seasons (78) is a better album than Novella (77), on which much of the music was becoming less than inspired and sounding a bit tired. Though I love the "classic" Dunford/Tout/Camp/Sullivan/Haslam Renaissance sound, on "Song" they went to a much more then-modern sounding approach, adding electric guitars to augment Dunford's acoustics and adding up-front synths to Tout's predominantly piano repertoire. Although there *are* a couple of short "poppier" things on it, I felt the changes breathed fresh life into the band on longer pieces like Opening Out/Day Of The Dreamer and the great title track and restored a bit of bite. I recommend getting it. [Interesting that almost no one ever dumps on Scheherazade & Other Stories (75) even though it contained The Vultures Fly High, which certainly sounded like a singles attempt (if not a typical pop song) to me.] On the other end, however, if you loved Turn Of The Cards (74) -- also my favorite Renaissance album, Julian -- you should work backwards and definitely get Ashes Are Burning (73) as well. It is also excellent and much in the same vein as "Cards." It's also full of some very fine plagiarism, as are *all* Renaissance (and ELP) albums, as we are constantly reminded by other O-R list members. ;-) I agree w/Julius that Azure d'Or (79) has some worthwhile things (though the closing track, The Flood At Lyons, is the only one that really had a pronounced proggy feel to me), and that the two 1980s "new image" attempts Camera Camera (81) and Time-Line (83) were rather abysmal affairs overall, best left undiscovered. From a live standpoint, Live At Carnegie Hall (June 75 NY performances) could have had better production IMO but it is a fine double album if you like their Prologue---> Scheherazade period. It marks an important milestone for the band and provides a very accurate representation of what their live show sounded like. I was rather disappointed by the sound quality of the two recent (97) King Biscuit (October 77 London performances) releases and I also feel the band sounds rather nervous in spots and wasn't at their best that night, but I seem to be in the minority in that opinion. (Of course, having seen the band 10 times live in person, I'd go with my opinion on this. :-) Part 2 does contain an excellent till-then unreleased studio cut ("You") which has since surfaced on the Songs For Renaissance Days (97) collection. Serving your Renaissance needs, - --Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:35:18 +0200 From: "Jan Dubbe" Subject: gg: You can't be serious DE Johnson wrote: (D)Since then they have been my fav band. This has never changed. I have (O)heard some decent bands and several very good performers, but have never (U)come across the same kind of magic that GG had. I'm sure I have posted (G)this b-4, but, when I heard that GG had broken up and C was their last, (E)I wept. No joke. Make fun of me if you will. They meant that much to me. Anyone who feels like making fun of you because of what you were so brave to tell us readers, does not really have the right to be on this list. I cried every time I saw our Boys (4 times, no way wishing to brag, please!) and regularly still do, because their music touches me. Surely this can't be unfamiliar to anybody reading OR? Jan Dubbe np Nick Drake- Way to Blue (handkerchief within reach, seriously) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:41:42 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Free Hand is next; you are me and I am you >>So, which ones do you already have, and which ones are next? >I have Power and the Glory, Acquiring the Taste, Three Friends, and Octopus. Freehand is next. Very good! You are so lucky to have Interview, Glass House, and Playing the Fool yet to discover. Just to single out three. (or is that tripling out three. Whatever.) >In other words...you are me and I am you and we are we and... Maybe you know you know zai zao tai tao mai mao now. - S. np: The sounds of silence - time to get out there and slam some computers. scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:57:16 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: AtT impact; Crimson in 1969 >I've never been so blown away by any album as when hearing AtT for the first time. It was utterly different from any rock music that had been made up to that time. Can we conclude that AtT hits with a harder impact if it is the first GG record one hears? or at least early in the canon? >.... and seeing King Crimson in concert in 1969. They played in my town in 1969, but I would have had to sneak into a bar (Whisky a Go Go) at the age of 14. (Oh, and I would have had to have been aware of King Crimson at that time. A minor detail.) - S. np: still nothing scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! No No No! Read the original post from Him, Her, and the mangy mutt. He's not refering to Zappa's Universe or the Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life. This was a recent tribute performance by ex-Zappa players. It happened in Berkley, CA on Aug. 27, 1999 (Oops, I abbr.) and was called Banned From Utopia. I can only hope that someone out there knows what's going on here and can provide more info. Bill..get ahold of Keneally and find out what he knows...stat. Later, mammienun. BTW...Elvis is dead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:11:36 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: gg: RE: Mammiepoll Oh alright, << When did you 1st hear GG?>> 1973. Octopus. <> More than like. I fell head over teakettle in love. << Did you run right out and start buying their recordings?>> Yup. Mostly imports back then. I'm surprised every once in a while at how great that ancient vinyl still sounds. <> I was 15. I'm not 15 anymore, but I still love GG. Funny thing. My name is BillT and I come from Rohnert Park ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:27:55 +0100 From: Bob Taylor Subject: gg:now Yes In message , "David J. Loftus" writes > >I think for many prog fans (as well as plain old rock 'n' roll fans!), >the question "what was missing" is the wrong one, because the problem was >not anything missing (other than that vast, anthemic sweep of something >like "Heart of the Sunrise" or "Karn Evil 9") but that there was TOO MUCH >-- too many styles, too many moods, too many different kinds of music for >the average fan to assimilate. I mean, suppose the first five GG tunes >you heard were, say: "Peel the Paint," "Inmate's Lullabye," "Raconteur >Troubadour," "Knots," and "Funny Ways." Can you think of any of these >tunes being characteristic of the GG sound the way "Roundabout" is >dead-on Yes? They're ALL characteristic of GG!!! The band did just >about anything just as well as anything else, and I think it may have >been difficult for the average fan -- even the average prog fan -- to settle >in with a band that would not settle in, itself. > > >David Loftus This just about has it nailed! The way that a GG album _demands_ to be listened to is crucial, and the resolute way that the band avoided the ordinary. You will find very few relaxed, obvious passages within GG - and even the slower tracks make the listener work! From Yes, who managed themselves to pack in prodigious amounts of novelty and tough playing, there are safer passages, based on some shorter, orthodox melodic phrases - in both major and minor. Lots of "serious" bands are heavily dependent on the minor (includes GG). As a listener I do find that Yes (at their best) are more uplifting, in general, than GG. I prefer GG on those occasions when I want the music to keep me fully absorbed (or provoked would be the best way to describe it; similar to the effect of much classical music, in fact). Bob - -- Bob Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:02 +0100 From: Bob Taylor Subject: gg: Spank Me? In message <19990901051722.2182.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>, JohnEric writes >Spank me! > > > >--- drj_saro wrote: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JohnEric >> >.....but my time is limited. >> >> >> but not so limited that you can't post this petty whining! >> Thankyou for your whine and confrontation. Bob - -- Bob Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:33:42 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: gg: Copious flow of lachrimal fluid Jan Dubbe scribed: << Anyone who feels like making fun of you because of what you were so brave to tell us readers, does not really have the right to be on this list. I cried every time I saw our Boys (4 times, no way wishing to brag, please!) and regularly still do, because their music touches me. Surely this can't be unfamiliar to anybody reading OR?>> Not to this subscriber, Jan. I get touched deeply by music, and I think most of us do. Many's the time that a beautiful solo or cadenza (or is that credenza? ;) has brought a tear to my eye. Remember that thread about "What music makes you cry?"? Almost everything does for me. I either weep a bit because I'm touched, or I cry because the music is such complete crap I can't believe there isn't a law against it. Just kidding, folks. I only get teary at the good stuff, but it's true; teary I get. A recent example is the first time I heard Radiohead's "OK Computer". I dang near became a pool of tears. Just a pool of tears. Bill T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:39:43 EDT From: SPBrader@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: EGBDF Dave Loftus wrote: << I'm not laughing. I discovered "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" at about that age, too ... at the public library! >> EGBDF, along with 'The Age of Atlantic' was the first album I ever bought. Still have it. Si n.p. Yes : The Ladder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:00:20 EDT From: PilgrimX@aol.com Subject: gg: junior brown For those who can stand country guitar, follow the links in the shiny new All-Music Guide website to see my Junior Brown interview, which just got published today. http://allmusic.com/ (main site) http://allmusic.com/zine/ (Allmusic zine) http://allmusic.com/zine/jrbrown_set.html (interview) Take care, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: EGBDF On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 SPBrader@aol.com wrote: > Dave Loftus wrote: > > << I'm not laughing. I discovered "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" at > about that age, too ... at the public library! >> > > EGBDF, along with 'The Age of Atlantic' was the first album I ever bought. > Still have it. Coolness. The first album I ever bought precedes that discovery of EGBDF at the library by about five years. It was either "More of the Monkees" or "We're The Banana Splits," aged 8, at Hiron's Drug Store in Eugene, Oregon. Fortunately, my Dad had bought Sgt. Pepper and Vanilla Fudge's "Renaissance" so I listened to those, too. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:23:07 -0400 From: Bert Rubini Subject: gg: no GG: first album? / my new e-mail address > The first album I ever bought precedes that discovery of EGBDF at the > library by about five years. It was either "More of the Monkees" or > "We're The Banana Splits," aged 8, at Hiron's Drug Store in Eugene, > Oregon. Potential new thread here? What's the first album you ever bought? (I don't think we've ever done this one before). As for me, the first album I ever bought was Deep Purple's "Machine Head", when I was in 2nd grade. (the first album I ever *OWNED*, I got for my birthday a few weeks prior, was ZZ Top "Tres Hombres"). Of course, it would have been the Beatles or the Stones, but I didn't have to buy those because my big sister already had them! BTW (this stands for "by the way", for the abbreviationally challenged), I wanted to let everyone on the list know that my email address has changed to: rubini@hcc.cc.fl.us bert np: Kate Bush "the Sensual World" - -- My homepage - now updated with even more boring photos and mindless tedium!: http://www.hcc.cc.fl.us/services/faculty/bertrubini/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:51:48 +0300 From: "Mikko Pellinen" Subject: Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! >No No No! Read the original post from Him, Her, and the mangy mutt. He's >not refering to Zappa's Universe or the Best Band You Never Heard in >Your Life. This was a recent tribute performance by ex-Zappa players. It >happened in Berkley, CA on Aug. 27, 1999 (Oops, I abbr.) and was called >Banned From Utopia. I can only hope that someone out there knows what's >going on here and can provide more info. Bill..get ahold of Keneally and >find out what he knows...stat. Later, mammienun. BTW...Elvis is dead. No no no, you read the original post. And then read my last post more carefully. This was the news story about the 1999 tribute in the original post: >A loose, motley looking bunch onstage (group coalesced for a Zappa tribute >in Germany in 1995), all are consummate, in-demand >players It says quite clearly that the project in Germany is the same as the project in Berkley, CA. And that's what I'm talking about. (to coalesce: to come together into one; to fuse; to blend). Again, from the original post: >Presented inhouse. Band: Arthur Barrow, Bruce Fowler, Walt Fowler, Ralph >Humphrey, Ed Mann, Kurt McGettrick, Robert Martin, >Tommy Mars, Mike Miller. Opened and reviewed Aug. 27; closed Aug. 28, 1999. Yes, it was basically the same bunch in Germany in 1995: except Mike Miller and replace Ralph Humphrey with Chad Wackerman. Then drj_saro wrote: >does anyone know if there is any recorded output from this ensemble? Yes. I have the cd. I also have The Best Band... from 1988 (released in 1991) and Zappa's Universe. And I know what the difference is. Trust me, I know my Zappa. I know what is going on here!!! No more frustrating head banging, thank you. Cheers, Mikko PS: No reason to contact Keneally, he wasn't in this one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 7:39:29 +1000 From: Michael_Taylor@rta.nsw.gov.au Subject: Re: gg: Mammienun Poll. Hi >>Gosh, you must have done. You are able to listen to two albums at the same time. I'm impressed! I don't know why but I feel that I have to clear up a wrong impression that when I typed NP it was taken to mean "Now Playing" I guess this fits in with the current thread that shows a fair amount of intolerance that is filtering through at the moment. NP was meant to "New Purchase". I apologise for the confusion. Mick NP Nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:34:13 -0600 From: Michael Eisenberg Subject: gg: Re: Cool Shows in Chicago Hi all, Here is a quick reminder of some very cool shows in the near future. The first two are at Schubas, 3159 N. Southport in Chicago. The phone number is (773) 525-2508 and tickets can be purchased in advance through their web site at http://schubas.com/info.html September 7th-NeBeLNeST with RED SHIFT: 8pm INTENSE is the word for this young French quartet of guitar, bass, drums and keyboards. Dabbling in dark, menacing moods and smoldering red hot prog grooves this band is certain to please anyone with a King Crimson or Magma fixation. Opening up will be the local three piece instrumental fusion outfit RED SHIFT. September 11th-QUARKSPACE with NOVA SONIC DOWN HYPER SPACE: 10pm Definitely not your average space rock band, QUARKSPACE is at times jazzy and flowing, never being afraid to slam the listener upside the head with extremely powerful and edgy Berlin style assaults. These guys were a big hit at the "Strange Daze" space rock fest a few weeks ago. The following two shows will be at Martyrs', 3855 N. Lincoln Ave. Chicago. Phone number is (773) 404-9494 September 16th-THINKING PLAGUE with TUB RING November 11th-PROJECT LO featuring Bon Lozaga, Happy Rhodes, Hansford Rowe and Bob Muller More about these later Cya there Michael Eisenberg - -- Outré Music Music Beyond Boundaries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:25:52 -0500 From: Jim Klocek Subject: gg: No GG: Stop me before I abbreviate again! Ahem... If one wants to be gr. correct, e-mailese terms are actually acronyms and not abbr. That is, if one wants to. Long live Jambe. L.S.M.F.T. Jim n.p. Br. Cockbrn. Stealg. Fire n.d. M.G.D. Lgt.(3rd) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:04:44 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: your latest point no, sorry...i won't rise to the bait. i humbly acknowledge you as the Master, the master-baiter, that is. thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! I get so excited when it comes to anything Zappa. Yes yes yes. Thanks Mikko for pointing out the similarities between the tribute that OsMoosIs spoke of and the '95 German show. You mentioned that you had a cd from the '95 gig. Is that available commercially? I will now assume that noone on list has any knowledge of the CA show. Thank you for your dime and abbreviation. Later, the happy flying mammienun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: no GG: first album? / my new e-mail address 1st album....Led Zeppelin II. 2nd...Aqualung. 3rd...Led Zeppelin IV. 4th...Thick as a Brick (1972, I was 11 yrs.). After these 4 I don't remember buying anything of importance to me now until Free Hand in '75 except maybe Yessongs or Song for America (also purchased in '75). From then on I listened to progressive rock almost exclusively. Of course as the years went by the drug consumption increased makng it much harder to pinpoint what material I obtained or in what order during subsequent years. But I'm sure all of you have gone through this phase at one time or another. q;^()> Sniff...cough...glug. Later, mamcygufdtdcxacmienun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery Peel the paint Mr. Class N. Quality! Businessman/artist ? Or is it Artist/businessman? Later, mammieworkingalldaynun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:20:45 -0400 From: "dr" Subject: gg: Re: Mammiepoll results (so far) All right, here's mine... First contact ( Three Friends) was at the age of 15 when I was into Deep Purple, Pink Floyd and ELP. Did'nt get into it, thought it was boring... That was around 1973. Then a friend of mine bought Octopus and I thought 'Hey, that 'Knots' thing is cool ! ' so I went to the store and bought TPATG ( intriguing cover). Was hooked. Just in time to get the last available tickets to see the '74 tour in Quebec City. Was knocked out by the concert. Haven't recovered yet . DR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:29:55 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: first album First "rock" album- Herman's Hermits, featuring Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter, with Peter Noone in a penciled in balloon. I was 7 in 1963. Is that when it came out? Or was it a year or two later? Prior to that, I had various classical albums- given to me to play on my grandfather's RCA Victrola (this is 78 RPM speed) and I liked the Romantic composers the best, Peter I. T., Schubert, Grieg, and Rachmaninoff. First rock single was I Get Around by The Beach Boys, backed with Don't Worry Baby. I ended up liking the B side better. It was only around 34 years ago....... uch..... -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:28:12 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! i've finally been accumulating Zappa (albeit slowly) ever since Laether came out, which got me re-jazzed on FZ. i'm currently waiting for a shipment containing Hot Rats, WakaJawaka, and Grand Wazoo (the latter of which i have _never_ heard before) , as well as a "music by FZ" disc by a classical wind ensemble (who's name i can't remeber right now.). thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO - -----Original Message----- From: mammienun@webtv.net To: Mikko Pellinen ; on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: Re: gg: Re: ZAPPA LIVES! I get so excited when it comes to anything Zappa. Yes yes yes. Thanks Mikko for pointing out the similarities between the tribute that OsMoosIs spoke of and the '95 German show. You mentioned that you had a cd from the '95 gig. Is that available commercially? I will now assume that noone on list has any knowledge of the CA show. Thank you for your dime and abbreviation. Later, the happy flying mammienun. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:51:06 +1000 From: Michael_Taylor@rta.nsw.gov.au Subject: gg: Yes Close To The Edge Hi I was just wondering if any body else is reading/ has read the Yes Bio "Close To The Edge". I have a friend who has been kind enough to loan me this book. I thoroughly recommend this to anybody who is a Yes fan . It is well written and well researched, In my opinion only I think that it is a better read than the Tull Bio by David Rees. Any comments? Mick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery I don't know, the abbreviation thing bugged some folks. Perhaps I am only a rascal. JEE - --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > Peel the paint Mr. Class N. Quality! Businessman/artist ? Or is it > Artist/businessman? Later, mammieworkingalldaynun. > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: First album My first LPs were In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, American Woman, and It Ain't Easy (3 Dog Night). As yet, no prog rock. JEE === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: your latest point I am gratified by your time and attention. JEE - --- drj_saro wrote: > no, sorry...i won't rise to the bait. > i humbly acknowledge you as the Master, > the master-baiter, that is. > > thank you for your time and attention. > > Julius J. SAROKA > drj_saro@neo.rr.com > Cuyahoga Falls OHIO > > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Spank Me? Just a little happy bantering between drj_saro and myself. Enjoy. JEE - --- Bob Taylor wrote: > In message <19990901051722.2182.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>, > JohnEric writes > >Spank me! > > > > > > > >--- drj_saro wrote: > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: JohnEric > >> >.....but my time is limited. > >> > >> > >> but not so limited that you can't post this petty whining! > >> > > Thankyou for your whine and confrontation. > > Bob > -- > Bob Taylor > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: abbr. Well, it was a dry snob joke directed at the fact that there are so many abbreviations being used in this group. Guess it was too dry for some. Oh, well. I enjoyed it ... JEE - --- Steffen Barabasch wrote: > WTF? > > Steffen > -- > Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations David, I've met you ... surely you read my post with a wry smile of understanding the jest. Didn't you? Crom. Oh, the name is John Eric Ellison. JEE - --- "David J. Loftus" wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, JohnEric wrote: > > > > > > > --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > > > Do I abbr. exc.? If so I'm unaware.IMO. BTW..I find this to be > annoying > > > too. If you can't spell it out...don't spell it at all. GG, AtT, TF, > > > etc. Can you imagine...Now that my H's are F from the ties, etc.? > Help > > > me off the floor, Ez > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:06:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: JohnEric > > > Subject: gg: Excessive use of abbreviations > > > To: "Gentle Giant"_Group > > > > > > This may seem petty to some of you, but I do not enjoy wading > through > > > e-mails employing excessive use of abbreviations. Eventually, I do > > > figure > > > them out ... but why make us waste valuable time going through the > > > motions? Go ahead and smirk, make snide comments, and flame me if > you > > > wish. From now on, I am going to glance at the e-mail, and if there > is > > > an > > > excessive use of abbreviations, I won't bother with them. I > apologize > > > to > > > those of you that use them a lot, but my time is limited. > > > > > > Thanks for listening > > > > > > JEE > > > > So what does JEE stand for? > > > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:49:20 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: gg: RE: First album Snow, I don't even remember who asked this, so I apologize, whoever you are. My first LP was Rubber Soul. That may explain a lot. Bill T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:03:45 +0200 From: "Jan Dubbe" Subject: gg: Yes Edge Mick wrote: Hi I was just wondering if any body else is reading/ has read the Yes Bio "Close To The Edge". I have a friend who has been kind enough to loan me this book. I thoroughly recommend this to anybody who is a Yes fan . It is well written and well researched, In my opinion only I think that it is a better read than the Tull Bio by David Rees. Any comments? Mick great book, just reading the titles of some albums made me want to hear them again. Did you read on page 247: Billy Sherwood says: I met the guys through Derek Schulman (spelling as in the book) of our mutual record company." Here we go again... Greetings Jan Dubbe np. Baby Grand, Ancient Medicine (these guys could really rock before they co-wrote an played on C. Lauper's Time After Time and later became Hooters) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:15:33 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: Re: Mammienun Poll. the year was 1976. i had started college the previous year and had been working on the student radio station (not a _real_ radio station, just closed-circuit to the campus) (as well as the newspaper, where i eventually did some record reviews, including one quite memorable one for "Playing the Fool"- i know i have a copy _somewhere_, i'll post it if i ever find it again) and featured almost exclusively prog and art-rock on my show. i knew all of the easy ones (Yes, ELP, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull) and had started to explore a bit further afield (Strawbs, Renaissance, PFM, some of the German synth stuff) and luckily caught the ear of a couple of the other DJs who were also playing prog (and in case they're lurking out there, i'd like to say "high" to Bill Gullo, Bill Ross, and John Charlillo) who became my mentors (as well as life-long friends) and taught me that there was more to Genesis than "i know what i like" (which was the only thing that i had heard by them....and _didn't_), introduced me to the Canterbury Scene, and fusion, and more to the point played me GG for the first time. the weapon of choice was "Octopus". and boy did it work! these guys _really_ couldn't be compared to anyone-else (a really important point, in my book)(my personal theory was that if i'm paying a professional, i won't fork over the dough for something that any schlub could do). they played hop-skip-and-jump for the first couple of songs to set the hook, starting with 'Knots' and then 'A Dog's Life" then played the whole album from start to finish. i _needed_ to hear more right away, so then came IaGH - i was just about paralyzed! ( the only other album to _ever_ hit me that hard was "Still Life" by VdGG, which i played all the way through 4 times in one sitting the day it came out) i started buying the albums immediately, but i don't really remember what order (except that i put off buying "Interview", which was the new one at the time, because i didn't like it as much - it sounded "unfinished" compared to the others). saw the band twice, once on the tour promoting PtF (on a bill with Mr. Big (!?!) and Renaissance, it was sooo cool when everybody hated Mr. Big but instead of booooing them, the crowd was _completely_ silent - they slunk off the stage in embarrassment after only about 20-30 minutes!) and once on tMP, passed up what would have been my last chance since i though GfaD and Civilian both sucked. thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: RE: First album I believe it was the honorable Bert Rubini who posed the question "What was your 1st album?" I took this to mean the 1st album I owned. My older Sister Tricia had all the Beatles and Monkees albums...Cat Stevens, lots of 45's. My parents had the 5th Dimension, Carole King, Herb Albert...I remember my Mother Superior and aunt getting a kick out of the line from TaaB.."your sperm's in the gutter..." Ez ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery Some animation will go up tonight, at around 9 PST. I do hope I will garner interest from some folks from the GG group to submit works of their own. JEE - --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > I thought you were serious about the ....Abbreviations. I wasn't about > to respond any differently had I saw through your little plan...you > trickster. Anyway...I get to view your artwork on a 31" jumbotrak via > webtv...and it drops down rather quickly. It looks great...I'm not just > saying this to kiss your ass. Good luck with your art...I don't think > you'll need it. Later, Mammie > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: This should get your attention. Please answer the following 2-part question. 1st part) Is Gentle Giant your favorite band? If your answer is yes that's it! You're done! 2nd part) For those 'others', please answer the multiple choice/fill-in-the-blank question. Why are you on this list? A) The people are ______ (friendlier, smarter, cooler, etc.) than the people on the ______ (Yes, Genesis, Nirvana, other) list. B) My favorite band doesn't have a list so this is better than nothing! C) I have my reasons and I don't have to explain or justify them to a ______ ( compliment, expletive, etc.) nun! D) I'm an ______ (escaped, deranged, recently released, etc.) mental patient. E) Other. (Please explain) Thank you for your timely response and attention to detail. Ez ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:21:18 EDT From: WhytePunk@aol.com Subject: gg: RE: First album...Help!!! In a message dated 09/01/1999 9:56:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mammienun@webtv.net writes: << I believe it was the honorable Bert Rubini who posed the question "What was your 1st album?" I took this to mean the 1st album I owned. My older Sister Tricia had all the Beatles and Monkees albums...Cat Stevens >> Dang!....Cat Stevens.....I seem to remember 1974's "Buddha and the Chocolate Box" being my first album (because prior to that I'd bought 8-track tapes) and I could have sworn the copy I bought had "Another Saturday Night" on it. Yet when I go to CDNow and search that title it only appears on his 1975 ''Greatest Hits"? This totally blows my mind because I seem to remember even reading the lyrics to that song inside the ''Buddha" album. According to the search that I did that song is only on the "Greatest Hits" release and doesn't appear anywhere on any other cd???...Does anyone have a better recollection of this than I do? I had only just started getting stoned in 1974!!! LOL Neil p.s. Then again for some reason I thought the track "Ghost Town" was "Bean Town" for some odd reason...Did he use "Bean Town" in any of his lyrics on that album??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:29:24 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: gg: Virgin Vinyl As I was the 4th child in the family, I had been exposed to my older sibs' records (Beatles/Beach Boys/various other beach bands/and all those 45s scattered around the family room. Oh, to have them now...) but, as a well-paid paperboy, I finally got my own AM/FM/Turntable unit. My first purchase was the Beatles' "Abbey Road" in 1969 (I was 14). As I recall, Iron Butterfly & Moody Blues were next... Dan n.d. New Belgium Porch Swing Ale n.p. TPatG (still my fave GG) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: New Tull What's the verdict on the new Tull? I've held off buying only because of the price ($18 at Borders). I'll wait for a sale ... yet I'd still enjoy your reviews. JEE === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: OOPS, try again ... Night Sky Gallery I'll watch for it. JEE - --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > OsMoosIs scanned the logo for my group, Slick Woody. It was designed by > the drummer's kid. I'm not sure...he may have it up on his wiseasses > site...I'll have him send it to you. Not that it's great or anything, > but I'd get a kick seeing it on the jumbotrak. Plus...I could transload > it to my geocities files. > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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