on-reflection-digest Friday, August 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1827 nogg: RE: Butcher cover gg: Listen to Magma on the net Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe no gg: CCR gg: R&R/LL RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe gg: Spock's skin Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe gg: 'ELP! I need somebody!/Steely prog?/Apple Pie & Eugene Levy/Metal no gg: Where's MINCER? Where's BENJAMIN WILLIAMS? gg: GG guitar tabs gg: Roy Harper/Gillan/Fripp's Red House/Dio gg: Re: Morte macabre Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead? + Don't call me Ska face. gg: Re: Sky Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre gg: Re: Spock's skin Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux; analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Johnny Handle Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre Re: gg: Re: Sky Re: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux;analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe gg: Re: September GGetogether Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre gg: Tool gg: Ion Pass Play and the KaCey LowDown (or Brutes on Red Ranches?) Re: gg: Tool gg: And Tie The Sis of Prawns (or Mt. Progloditus?) gg: Re: Gorggmail: Which airport should you fly into? gg: Re: Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:51:16 EDT From: Biffyshrew@aol.com Subject: nogg: RE: Butcher cover Scott Steele wrote: >>I remember seeing it for sale in that neighborhood -- one of those places just off >>11th and Burnside, I think -- a few years back. Why do you think the value has >>fallen, Scott? > >I think the market has fallen a bit - people who want those kinds of things already >have them. I could be wrong - anybody look at the ads in Goldmine lately? The Butcher Cover commands a very wide range of prices depending on condition, mono/stereo configuration and "state" (never pasted, pasted over, or pasted and peeled). There's a framed first-state copy on the wall at Amoeba in San Francisco with an asking price of $10,000; a Goldmine ad for the Good Rockin' Tonight auction recently listed copies with minimum bids of $8,500 and $20,000 (the latter being a mint, still-sealed, first-state stereo). Judging by GRT's track record, these probably sold for well above the minimum. On the other hand, I often see peeled copies at record conventions for around $150. Love me do, Biffy the Elephant Shrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:36 +0200 From: Yehuda Kotton Subject: gg: Listen to Magma on the net Gifford wrote: > >BIG NEWS!! > >KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!! Once you've done downloading Crimson you may want to change pace and cool down with some soothing, mellow music by Magma. The June 1st Magma show from "The house of blues" in LA is archived and available for listening at: http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/990601magma/ have fun, Yehuda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:29:33 EDT From: SPBrader@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe Ginny asked: << What's a gamy leg?>> Lame. As in the condition, not the question :-) <> Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush. Si n.p. Greenslade Live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:34:08 -0400 From: "Jerry McCarthy" Subject: no gg: CCR Ant wrote: > Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters? No, The Labia is a Genesis song from one of those 70s concept albums that may or may not have any filler, depending upon how LOUDLY you type. ;-) > Ah well there's your problem. Creedence! yes that's it! You have to step > into your wardrobe and sing 'Born on the Bayou' three times and it opens up > the route to Italy via lower Cucumberland, past Banarnia and through where > the Yorkshire puddings grow. I am loathe to admit this, but... Sometime during July I was forced/coerced/guilted into attending a concert that I had no desire to see, something that rarely happens to me but this time couldn't be helped. It was a Beach Boys/Creedence Clearwater Revisited pairing at the Jones Beach Amphitheater in Wantagh, Long Island, NY. And although the BB show was every bit as painful to endure as I expected it to be (Mike Love, obviously auditioning to be the Perry Como of the Dawning Millennium, looks like he'll require a walker soon), I have to admit that the CCRevisited show turned out to be great fun. Although no one would take their current frontman to be the second coming of John Fogerty, he *did* do a pretty good job of sounding like him most of the time, and the unexpected (by me, anyway) appearance of ex-Cars Elliot Easton -- a Long Island native, incidentally -- on lead guitar made the proceedings more interesting than they might've been otherwise. The band played with a lot of spirit and it really didn't feel like they were just going through the motions as I had feared. It was good to hear those classic Creedence songs performed live by half of the original group for once (the only live CCR I'd ever heard had been by bad wedding and/or bar bands), and during those moments when I was able to block out that eerie Ghost-of-the-Fogerty's feeling from my mind, I actually enjoyed it a lot. I tried to escape to the parking lot during the intermission but my fiancee retrieved me by the scruff of the neck and made me come back to sit through the Beach Geezers ... er, Boys. Half a nice evening, anyway. "Help me, Rhonda, yeah, get her outta my walker..." - --Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:37:07 -0500 From: "Lottich, Steve" Subject: gg: R&R/LL MTO: > In other words... Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die? I go by a very narrow definition of "Rock and Roll". To me, it means the earliest form of Rock from the 50's and early 60's (also those newer forms which emulate it, like Rockabilly). Everything newer is just "Rock". _ _ _ Ant: > >the triangle created by the slice resembled labia. > > Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters? Yes, she's the lippy one. Slotster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:58:53 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe Si says: << Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.>> What's a "cistern"? Some Leamington thingummy? Bill T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, William Tindall wrote: > Si says: > > << Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.>> > > What's a "cistern"? Some Leamington thingummy? Feminine form of "brethren." No wonder they flush when you yank. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: Rik Beck Subject: gg: Spock's skin A propos nothing at all... I picked up a recent copy of 'Classic Rock' yesterday, together with the free CD featuring the new epic from YES. Very good stuff, although I've downloaded another track from the internet which is not so good (called 'Lightning Strikes'). Anyway, there's a track on there by Spock's Beard called 'Skin' which I am disappointed with. SB is currently about number 7 on my ever-growing list of bands' CDs to buy, and if this track is representative, I don't think I'll bother. Pop with keyboards. Is anyone here familiar with this track and, if so, how representative of the band would they say this particular track is? (it's from 1999, and could be a forthcoming release, I don't know) BTW, according to my computer thesaurus, a synonym for yank is jerk. Where does that leave our transatlantic cousins :-) sorry rb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:24:49 PDT From: "Dan Weese" Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe >What's a gamy leg? A limp, a bad leg. >Who's Johnny Handle? A folk singer who writes about the Midlands. http://www.pipemedia.net/users/jeffd/folkw07.htm _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:57 EDT From: "Reginald Dunlop" Subject: gg: 'ELP! I need somebody!/Steely prog?/Apple Pie & Eugene Levy/Metal Bonjourno Geants! The Biffster wrote about ELP: >Odd that they didn't do Dave Brubeck the same courtesy. Speaking of Brubeck..., I listened to "Time Out" on the weekend for the first time in about 2 years. What an amazing jazz album it is! Not one stinker of a tune on the entire album. A true jazz classic. Joe Morello is a god. Scott Steele wrote: > >Q: Does Steely Dan count as prog? > >Nope. No mellotrons. ;) But it counts as music with brains. I dunno Scott, "Countdown To Ecstasy" has quite a few proggy moments. I love the tune "Boston Rag". I just bought the new remaster here in hoserland. The sound is quite an improvement from the other issues. Diana Green wrote about Apple Pie: >true, true. One salient detail is omitted, however. the apex of the >missing pie piece (right at the center where the two cuts meet) more than >vaguely and quite deliberately resembles a vagina in full lubrication. ...and didn't Eugene Levy catch his son performing an *act* on that apple pie? ;) "Just like warm apple pie" his friends told him. Please turn to the middle section of "Shaved"...this magazine I'm not too familiar with. :) On the Relayer, Heavy Metal thread, pull up Gentle Giant Power & The Glory >(import) - it's heavy metal too! I guess Cog in Cogs is some kick-ass >heavy >metal. I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy Metal Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD called "Symphonic Holocost". My friends and I are were listening to this on the Ohio Turnpike on the way to Cleveland to see Porcupine Tree a few months back. My best friend("Mike") said it was the heaviest piece of music he'd heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :) > >np: Arthur's copy of Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways ...sometimes I feel like a fist. ;) Ranting, REGINALD DUNLOP np: ANACRUSIS - "Manic Impressions" up next: VOIVOD - "Killing Technology" on deck: QUIET SUN - "Mainstream" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:56 +0200 From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn" Subject: no gg: Where's MINCER? Where's BENJAMIN WILLIAMS? Hi folks, Where's BEN WILLIAMS? Groggmail to him fails. You have another address for me, Ben? Where's THE MINCER? Gorggmail to him/her fails. You have another address for me, Mincer? Bandwidth sorries in abundance, Virtual Bert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:45:24 +0200 From: Yehuda Kotton Subject: gg: GG guitar tabs I've transcribed some bits and pieces from GG songs and written them down as guitar tabs. For those who don't know, tab (tablature) is a form of music notation for fretted musical instruments, sort of like "playing by numbers". If anybody wants them then reply to me. This what I wrote down so far: Experience - The opening keyboard bits which are also the accompanyment to the verse. Sort of hard to play but fun. Proclamation - The opening keyboard part and the keyboard accompanyment to the verse. Cogs in Cogs - Many of the riffs from the song So Sincere - Opening chords (easier to play on guitar than you would expect) and a few other bits Wreck - A few bits 'n pieces Excerpts from Octopus - The part of the guitar duet from "Acquiring the Taste" Talybont - An arangement for guitar that I play that is somewhat different than the original have fun, Yehuda np: Univers Zero - Uzed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:51:52 EDT From: "Reginald Dunlop" Subject: gg: Roy Harper/Gillan/Fripp's Red House/Dio Bonjourno Geants! Bob Angilly wrote: >Other Controversial covers: > >ROY HARPER -- HQ (cover has Roy walking across water, wouldn't play well >in the Bible Belt), album >was renamed "When An Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease" with a different >cover entirely (Roy with a >Cricket Bat and the rules on the back). This is the one with Bill Bruford on drums right? Man..., I've been looking for "When An Old Cricketer" for years, never realising the title of the album was changed to "HQ"(which is very much available on CD). Thanks for this tip! Off to by Roy Harper's "HQ". Roy is a super cool(and weird) guy in which I had the pleasure to drink several Molson Canadians with the man for 4 days in the Spring of 1993. Scott Steele wrote: >How about Ian Gillan on I Lost My Head? How about Ian Gillan on "Why Not?" and "Think Of Me With Kindness"? Good call on the "I Lost My Head" though. :) >Then you missed his(Fripp) solo on Red House. Twisted twisted twisted! Yes indeed...He blew all the spandex nancy-boys away! :) Tomas wrote: > >How about Ronnie Jame Dio for Derek's parts? Ha! Ha! Ha! Dio rocks! :) This made my day. Later, REGINALD DUNLOP np: VOIVOD - "Killing Technology" next up: QUIET SUN - "Mainstream" on deck: GNIDROLOG - "In Spite Of Harry's Toenail" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:53:07 +0200 From: Yehuda Kotton Subject: gg: Re: Morte macabre Reginald Dunlop wrote: > I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy Metal > Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD > called "Symphonic Holocost". My friends and I are were listening to this on > the Ohio Turnpike on the way to Cleveland to see Porcupine Tree a few months > back. My best friend("Mike") said it was the heaviest piece of music he'd > heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st > Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :) "Symphonic Holocaust" and a few other Morte Macabre tunes are "on rotation" on the Yursttunes shoutcast channel: http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/play.pls?addr=216.32.166.89:20088&file=filename.pls you can see the playlist for the channel updated in realtime at: http://yursttunes.etonnant.com/ have fun, Yehuda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:58:30 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead? + Don't call me Ska face. - -----Original Message----- From: Claudio666@aol.com >I agree that the whole industry has become segmented, but that's the >industry's own fault. It's called "niche marketing". Rock and Roll, for me, >but I WOULD include Reggae, Ska, Blues (as R&R's parent), punk, new wave, >metal, thrash, alternative, space music and prog. What's in a name? I always thought it was a bit funny when as a teenager I heard American DJ's or people on US TV shows use Rock'n'Roll as a generic term for beat centred music. In Britain Rock'nRoll was the name for what was done in the 50's by those guys with drainpipe trousers and long jackets. Eddy Cochrane, Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry were Rock'n'Roll. Rock was the generic term but that became a name for heavy metal and the like. Ska BTW is Rock'n'Roll's mutant brother. It's earlier form, Bluebeat was born around the same time as those late 50's rockers were inverting the beat of the blues (from 2&4 to 1&3) to make R&R. On the islands in the Carribean sea, the Blues became danceable using cheap, found and improvised instruments. Hence Blue Beat and the vocalised percussive noises where someone was trying to emulate a cymbal, sounded like you were singing "Sssssskkaaa" so that's what it became known as. Ant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:33 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: gg: Re: Sky - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Bartlett >I quite enjoyed, with tracks culled from their imaginatively entitled Sky 1, >Sky 2, etc. I recently bought 3 Sky CD's as I had warm and fuzzy memories of them. The reality didn't live up to the memory however and I ended up giving them to my mother. She always liked Sky. >I had this idea that JW and co could reform and, instead of doing classical >rehashes, they could do >the aforementioned number, "Match of the Day", "Pot Black", "Horse of the >Year Show", etc. >Following in their tradition of naming the albums, they'd have to call it >Sky Sports. Ho, ho, ho! Well actually, they did do one called 5 Live. Ant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:52:56 PDT From: "Dan Weese" Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre > > I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy >Metal > > Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD > > called "Symphonic Holocaust". Yep. My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish tendencies is Tool, Aenima. The best feedback noises since KC Red, imho. The CD has some muy wack graphics using MultiImage technology. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:36:35 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: gg: Re: Spock's skin Richard, haven't heard the single version but the whole album was not up to scratch compared to their previous. In fact they have gone poppier over the last two. They are playing at the Astoria on 2nd Oct so I guess you won't be interested. Jerry Bartlett and myself will be there. Also Caravan are there the night before if you care to join me & Steve there. Ant - -----Original Message----- From: Rik Beck To: on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:45 Subject: gg: Spock's skin >A propos nothing at all... > >I picked up a recent copy of 'Classic Rock' yesterday, together with the >free CD featuring the new epic from YES. Very good stuff, although I've >downloaded another track from the internet which is not so good (called >'Lightning Strikes'). Anyway, there's a track on there by Spock's Beard >called 'Skin' which I am disappointed with. SB is currently about number >7 on my ever-growing list of bands' CDs to buy, and if this track is >representative, I don't think I'll bother. Pop with keyboards. Is anyone >here familiar with this track and, if so, how representative of the band >would they say this particular track is? (it's from 1999, and could be a >forthcoming release, I don't know) > >BTW, according to my computer thesaurus, a synonym for yank is jerk. >Where does that leave our transatlantic cousins :-) > >sorry > >rb > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:47 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe - -----Original Message----- From: SPBrader@aol.com >Ginny asked: > <> > >Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush. Nah! surely it's the knob on a Durex machine. (Oh No not more Transatlatic double meanings) Ant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:46 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux; analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks >On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play? I do! I do! >BIG NEWS!! >KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!! This has not worked for me yet. I will continue to try to download the concert. >Rock n' Roll is about many things. One of the Roche sisters on League of Gentlemen: "Rock and roll is about Fucking!" >QUESTION OF THE DAY: In the current context of market segmentation, will Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"? That's a possibility. >>At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a short time at the used record store. I don't think it's that valuable anymore. >Guess again. There was one on ebay recently that went for $301 and this was one that had the new cover applied over it. Yes but that could have been the E-Bay phenomenon, where people gather to pay outrageous prices for things they can't find as easily anywhere else. But I am open to the idea that I guessed wrong originally too. >OK while we're on national stereotypes, is it true all Americans have analysts? I should either increase the visits Bill, or stop going altogether. He's probably nuttier than you. It's better than that: all Americans *are* analysts. You can tell that immediately when you think about how anal we are. >Talk with a test tube in your mouth do you? Is that a test tube in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? >Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters? Stop it, I'm laughing too hard! I can't breathe!! >the copy of Double Fantasy that Lennon signed to Mark Chapman earlier the day he was killed by him. I know a fellow from the McLaughlin list whose name is actually Mark Chapman. He went to see Remember Shakti in NY and Sean Lennon and the girl from Cibo Matto were sitting behind him. He said he had to resist the urge to introduce himself by name! Troublemaker. >> np: Happy the Man, Live >sure, rub it in... ;-) The Circular Motion! This should be readily available at Wayside at least. >Personally, I feel the term "yanked" is appropriate because us "Yanks" are the only ones who do it. If you know what I mean. Imagine the disappointment of the creators of There's Something About Mary, and American Pie, and the like, as they realize that no one on the continent will get the jokes! >And I applaud our O-R friends from all over the globe who endeavor to speak the most difficult language in the world. I could never begin to speak yours, and it is my loss! I feel the same way! - S. np: Gone Orch rough mixes from last Tuesday night! scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:32:29 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Johnny Handle - -----Original Message----- >>Ginny asked: >> <> OK Apparently he's a folk artist from Newcastle who plays piano, Northumbrian pipes, accordian and sings. You can book him by phoning +44 1207 543873. How'bout that for info! Ant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:01:18 +0300 (EET DST) From: Ville V Sinkko Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre > > heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st > > Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :) > You got me interested. where can I find the latter one? - -- 65 Zn NP Art Zoyd - "Divertissement" (creepy as HELL) 30 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:32:00 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: Re: Sky hail; re: Ant wrote: > I recently bought 3 Sky CD's as I had warm and fuzzy memories of them. The > reality didn't live up to the memory however and I ended up giving them to > my mother. She always liked Sky. I'm a Sky junkie and I don't care who knows it. The only one of theirs I've found on CD so far is Cadmium, but I do have everything through The Great Balloon Race (something of a disappointment) on vinyl, and I've yet to see the Mozart album in any form. Also have one of their concerts on vid, and solo albums by Kevin Peek, Williams (of course), and Monkman (of course!) > > > >I had this idea that JW and co could reform and, instead of doing classical > >rehashes, they could do > >the aforementioned number, "Match of the Day", "Pot Black", "Horse of the > >Year Show", etc. > >Following in their tradition of naming the albums, they'd have to call it > >Sky Sports. I always thought they should do an album covering all those anthony Braxton compositions with mathematical formulae as titles, and call it "Pi in the Sky". still, dg np: Nessa Glen: Wearing the Wind as Rings ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:38:32 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux;analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks hail; re: Scott Steele wrote: > >On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play? > > I do! I do! Most of it's ok, but I'm not a big fan of it or TaaB. > > > >QUESTION OF THE DAY: In the current context of market segmentation, will Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"? > > That's a possibility. A reality on VH-1. > >OK while we're on national stereotypes, is it true all Americans have analysts? I should either increase the visits Bill, or stop going > altogether. He's probably nuttier than you. > > It's better than that: all Americans *are* analysts. You can tell that immediately when you think about how anal we are. From an old National Lampoon: "you can't spell analysis without A-N-A-L." > >the copy of Double Fantasy that Lennon signed to Mark Chapman earlier the day he was killed by him. > > I know a fellow from the McLaughlin list whose name is actually Mark Chapman. He went to see Remember Shakti in NY and Sean Lennon and the girl from Cibo Matto were sitting behind him. He said he had to resist the urge to introduce himself by name! Troublemaker. there was also an actor who was slated to play Lennon named David Mark Chapman. when they realized it, they pulled him off the show - some TV movie. Rather unfair, I thought. He did resemble him a bit. He got a job as the mad scientist in the live action version of Swamp Thing, which still shows sometime or other on the SF Channel, I think. still, dg nessa glen plays on.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:32:17 EDT From: "Virginia Landgraf" Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe Si wrote: [Johnny Handle] <<< Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.>>> Bill Tindall wrote: <> David Loftus wrote: Gives a whole new set of imagery to stanza 4 of this Isaac Watts psalm paraphrase often sung to Timothy Swan's wonderful tune "Rainbow" in Sacred Harp singing: <> That would be some high-powered nitrogen fertilizing, wouldn't it? ;-) Ginny _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: Re: September GGetogether LaborDay weekend is out for me, but virtually everything else is fine. JEE - --- Scott Steele wrote: > Too bad we have to reschedule but I think we should wait until all can > make it. Most Sundays are good for me, and I will send another note > when I get back to my own desk which has my own calendar on it. ! - S. > > >>> "David J. Loftus" 08/19 2:34 PM >>> > > > We've now lost Jonathan Ayers and James Takahashi from the proposed > Sept. > 12 get-together -- two of the players who missed the first GG fest in > late July. That seems unfortunate to me. > > Scott, perhaps we should cancel this gig and look for a date that's more > > suited to everybody's needs? > > Why don't the rest of you pass in your weekends or individual weekend > days that are preferred and totally out? > > > David Loftus > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:02:10 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre In a message dated 8/19/99 11:08:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, danweese@hotmail.com writes: << My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish tendencies is Tool, Aenima. >> Really a good CD except for the gratuitous profanity. Not that I'm any G**da**** fu***** puritan, but I just found it totally unnecessary. Claudio n.d. Left Hand Sawtooth Ale n.p. Seahawks/49ers. Preseason football is better than no football at all... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:50:29 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Tool > In a message dated 8/19/99 11:08:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > danweese@hotmail.com writes: > << My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish tendencies > is > Tool, Aenima. >> Good call, Claudio and Dan Weese. Tool's Aenima is an amazing album, particularly the bass and drums. As Claudio points out, there is a lot of unnecessary profanity. It is a most violent album. Worth listening to, IMHO. -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:06:53 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: Ion Pass Play and the KaCey LowDown (or Brutes on Red Ranches?) "Scott Steele" wrote: >>On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play? > >I do! I do! (D)Passion Play is and has alwaze been my fav Tull album. Then follows (E)Minstrel in the Gallery, and Songs from the Wood. I have yet to deal (J)with TaaB for various reasons. Time is a funny thing. >>BIG NEWS!! KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!! >This has not worked for me yet. I will continue to try to download >the concert. (DJ)I've tried it once, too, but I wasn't successful. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:14:39 EDT From: WhytePunk@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Tool In a message dated 08/19/1999 11:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dshur@erols.com writes: << Good call, Claudio and Dan Weese. Tool's Aenima is an amazing album, particularly the bass and drums. As Claudio points out, there is a lot of unnecessary profanity. It is a most violent album. Worth listening to, IMHO. -David Eric >> I think all of Tool is worth listening to!!! "Undertow" had their "hits" (Sober and Prison Sex) but the whole cd is quite moving and has a cool spoken word break by singer/actor Henry Rollins. The ep "Opiate" is very nasty and violent and contains one of my favorite Tool songs called "Hush"....I never did check to see if they'd released anything after Ænima...Hmmm, now I'll have too! Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:33:23 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: And Tie The Sis of Prawns (or Mt. Progloditus?) (DJ)Lest we forget El Duce'...R.I.P. Disgusting and Nasty little man... Doug P.S. ...und Sparx ist sehr painless... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: Re: Gorggmail: Which airport should you fly into? I'm in the process of checking maps, public transportation, etc. Newark is definitely closer to the hotel than JFK or LaGuardia. There are buses that run between the Port Authority and the Hotel. The guy from Quality Inn faxed me a bus schedule but it's difficult to decipher at best. The line is the 192 Clifton-New York. I'll try looking around on the net to see if I can find some more info...if not I'll make some calls. Later, Ez BTW...since I can't save that ever burgeoning list of names, everyone gets this! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:41:33 -0400 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: gg: Re: Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock >In other words... Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die? >Or is it just "fading away"? > >What's Your Opinion Anything that's 40-50 years old... I'll put it this way" Rock's Grand fathers are approaching Social Security age, are they still Rock-Roll? Think About the Who and what they once/now meant/mean. What most "post-grunge" Popular acts (say anything on the American Pie soundtrack) are about is their generation's interpretation of what Rock-N-Roll means to them. That completely validates what THEY are doing, since part of the R-N-R definition is that "coming of age, f*ck with the system" aesthetic. But it isn't really anything new. (And of course, f*cking with people will never go out of fashion!) Certainly the Sex Pistols were calculated effort, and a million punters followed. Punk's adherents are typically teenagers, and male. Their angst every generation will express that angst. But I will assume that this topic is really about Music. Grunge could be considered the last "new thing" to come out of R-N-R". As for the Music Industry, the nativity has been lost forever by most accounts, but certainly since Nirvana caught them off guard, everything since is Completely calculated. I don't think Prog was - in its early days - that calculated. I'd love to see Radiohead put out an album like Close To The Edge! (This is also my fascination with group's first records from that late sixties, early seventies early - they were developing their formulas...) Look at the analogy with Jazz: Given Jazz was born in the 20's, Free Jazz in the late finites, and Fusion in the late sixties... Who would be the Tony Williams' Lifetime today? I for one would propose that Music made entirely with computers and samplers is the "New Form" of Rock-n-Roll since it disregards all "Beat Combo" methods i.e. of creating music. IMHO, of course! :) charles ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1827 ************************************