Pikahobbes: how far u get in g2?
BigGamerX: nowhere......
BigGamerX: was playing fighting games lol
BigGamerX: (I got Vf4 and Tekken TAg)
Pikahobbes: lmfao
Pikahobbes: u havent even tried yet?
BigGamerX: 6 games I think I got
BigGamerX: nope, not even in yet lo
Pikahobbes: lmao
BigGamerX: I opened the box though
BigGamerX: ;-)
BigGamerX: lol, it automatically makes a smiley
BigGamerX: ;  )
BigGamerX: without a space becomes this ;-)
Pikahobbes: GOOD JOB!!! U OPENED THE BOX!!! lol
BigGamerX: lol, like Al Bundy when he was installing the satelite dish
BigGamerX: they work for hours and come in, "the box is open!"
Pikahobbes: !!
BigGamerX: Na, I just opened a few boxes at once, I just never got to g2
Pikahobbes: lmao
Pikahobbes: u should try it now
BigGamerX: tekken sucks, but it was 19 brand new
BigGamerX: so was grandia
Pikahobbes: lol
Pikahobbes: vote for link first http://www.gamefaqs.com
BigGamerX: vf4 was fool price, but I had to take socom back so it was a safe pic
BigGamerX: full price lol
Pikahobbes: oh
BigGamerX: I got my good Enclave, now I got unload the crappy ver on the next game I get lol
Pikahobbes: :P
BigGamerX: It locked up agian in the middle of a round ; (
Pikahobbes: : (

BigGamerX: but the good one is freeze-free
BigGamerX: I swear there is a nick in the bad one
Pikahobbes: 8-)
BigGamerX: when I opened it, it wasnt even sitting in that thing like it was supposed to, it was loose, sliding around
Pikahobbes: o
Pikahobbes: that happened 2 me b4
BigGamerX: thats why I think it is bad
Pikahobbes: we took it back
BigGamerX: good
BigGamerX: I never go to microplay again
Pikahobbes: : )
BigGamerX: those idiots store their used games with no covers in a drawer
BigGamerX: sliding all over as they open it lol
Pikahobbes: LMFAO
BigGamerX: Thats why I rarely buy used disk based games
BigGamerX: people just dont take care of stuff, they are so fragile
Pikahobbes: yeah
Pikahobbes: actually
BigGamerX: I can't wait until cart like formats come back
Pikahobbes: i bought a lot of used dreamcast games
Pikahobbes: huh?
BigGamerX: you see, in the future they might not use disks anymore
BigGamerX: when solid state devices advance, we might go back to cart like stuff again, which will rock
BigGamerX: you know digital cameras?
Pikahobbes: o ya i no i no
BigGamerX: the same technology those little cards use, will someday hold enough info for games
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: and be cheap enough, then we have 0 load time again, no matter how a game is made
Pikahobbes: : )
Pikahobbes: super monkey ball 2 rulz
Pikahobbes: u must buy it
BigGamerX: you see gc seems to have short load times.......
Pikahobbes: yep
Pikahobbes: but it has them
BigGamerX: but try a game like halo or enclave on there.......
BigGamerX: and it will choke
Pikahobbes: nah
Pikahobbes: rogue leader
BigGamerX: no detail
Pikahobbes: yah it does
BigGamerX: just a few ships, nowhere near the size of a  halo level
BigGamerX: dont even mention enclave, that has real detial
Pikahobbes: hmmm
BigGamerX: and not that premade fixed camera junk, its free roam
Pikahobbes: hold on while i think of a decent retort
BigGamerX: lol u cant
Pikahobbes: starfox adventures
BigGamerX: simple fact is.......i'll give you a link to the tech specs give a min
Pikahobbes: i know
Pikahobbes: dude
Pikahobbes: xbox and gc use different types of processors
BigGamerX: gc = 2.0- 3.25 MB/sec transfer rate
Pikahobbes: gc risc
Pikahobbes: xbox cisc
BigGamerX: dude processor aint the cause of load times
Pikahobbes: or something like that
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: then why u bring it up/
BigGamerX: anyway, gc=2.0-3.25 MB sec transfer rate
Pikahobbes: look
Pikahobbes: neither system has been pushed to limit yet
BigGamerX: xbox=2.5-6.25 MB sec
Pikahobbes: i mean
BigGamerX: and games are written so the 6.25 gets used first
Pikahobbes: shenmue looks better than anything either system has to offer
BigGamerX: but it has twice the ram to fill
Pikahobbes: and dc is like less than them
BigGamerX: so thats why it seems like it is slower
BigGamerX: but its faster
BigGamerX: shenmu I have, and it dont look better, wait for xbox ver of shenmu lol
Pikahobbes: i know
Pikahobbes: exactly
Pikahobbes: u need the programmer's skill
Pikahobbes: not the hardware
BigGamerX: both, the good programmer on xbox will get more out of it
BigGamerX: dude this debate is old
BigGamerX: xbox 1
BigGamerX: gc 2
BigGamerX: ps2  3
Pikahobbes: no
Pikahobbes: ps2 rulz f00
Pikahobbes: lmao
BigGamerX: in terms of power, its facts not opinion
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
BigGamerX: its like saying a .45 is more powerful than a 9mm
Pikahobbes: is anything true?
BigGamerX: it just is, deal with it
Pikahobbes: everything i tell you is a lie
Pikahobbes: uh
Pikahobbes: how does the philosphy go again?
BigGamerX: i see the specs from actuall sources, not peeps opinons
Pikahobbes: the things are bigger than the words we use to describe them
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
Pikahobbes: if its not from m$
Pikahobbes: or Nintendo
BigGamerX: the process type for instance......
Pikahobbes: or sony
Pikahobbes: it still could be false
Pikahobbes: btw i know ur right
BigGamerX: it dont matter cause on xbox the graphcs processor does all the work on graphics
Pikahobbes: but i'm on philisophical mode
Pikahobbes: so i can write this essay
Pikahobbes: nothing is the truth
BigGamerX: the cpu just does A.I.
BigGamerX: but the cpu on gc has to do both.......
Pikahobbes: why
Pikahobbes: ??
BigGamerX: and its not as powerfull as you think
Pikahobbes: no
BigGamerX: xbox cpu is actually more powerful in some ways
Pikahobbes: gc's design is in elegance, not brute strength
Pikahobbes: why do you think sony and M4$ give raw estimates
BigGamerX: dude, look at this link.....
Pikahobbes: and nintendo gives in game figures
Pikahobbes: i know you're right
Pikahobbes: but are you right?
BigGamerX: this link gives figures from a smart man, not any company
Pikahobbes: i trust the companyt
Pikahobbes: for their own figures neway
BigGamerX: http://pcvsconsole.com/features/consoles/
Pikahobbes: hold on
BigGamerX: notice xbox has vertex and pixel shading processors, other machines dont even have them
Pikahobbes: i'm doing something stupid on a message board
Pikahobbes: that's nice...do developers know how to use them?
Pikahobbes: notice how halo is much better than other xbox games?
BigGamerX: yep, to make the most realistic water ever, look at enclaves water
Pikahobbes: maybe because bungie is directly linked with M$?
BigGamerX: bungie has said that halo 2 will make halo 1 look like crap
Pikahobbes: hahahah yeah right
BigGamerX: it will
Pikahobbes: they wish
Pikahobbes: all games have their good parts
Pikahobbes: halo has so many
Pikahobbes: it could never be not fun
BigGamerX: yup, one of the best games ever
BigGamerX: i meant halo 2 will LOOK way better
Pikahobbes: you havent gotten my elegance think yet have you?
BigGamerX: it will move more polys, have better lighting ect.
Pikahobbes: wow...it moves more polys?
BigGamerX: much more
Pikahobbes: you know, the gc version of soa is supposed to be signifcantly better in terms of graphics
BigGamerX: soa?>
Pikahobbes: I can't tell the difference
BigGamerX: oh, star fox
Pikahobbes: no
BigGamerX: its cartoony thoough
Pikahobbes: SKIES OF ARCADIA
BigGamerX: oh
BigGamerX: even star fox it looks great
BigGamerX: but the colors dont look "real" like on xbox games
Pikahobbes: starfox looks better than j00 f00
Pikahobbes: really?
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
Pikahobbes: have you played it?
BigGamerX: trust me, you saw i have all machines on my same tv
BigGamerX: xbox simply looks more real, more detailed than any other
Pikahobbes: xbox looks more real?
BigGamerX: gc looks cool in its own way, just not as "real"
Pikahobbes: i thought the games would look more real
BigGamerX: yep, thats the big thing about it
BigGamerX: nothing in this gen will look "real"
BigGamerX: thats MANY years away, not even next gen
BigGamerX: i said more real, as in closer to real, not actually real lol
Pikahobbes: hmmm
Pikahobbes: that's obvious
BigGamerX: next gen should look kinda like a good gc movie
BigGamerX: cg i mean
Pikahobbes: listen you didnt get my point about SoA
BigGamerX: its a port.....
BigGamerX: thats why it wont look much better
Pikahobbes: The mainstream can't tell how many polys ur pushing
Pikahobbes: they don't care
Pikahobbes: they need immediately visual flash
BigGamerX: thats waht the xbox suffers from now, most games dont even come close to pushing it
BigGamerX: i like both......
BigGamerX: hey gameplay rules......
BigGamerX: but if graphics didnt matter we wouldnt need new machines
Pikahobbes: Skies of arcadia legends (GC) is not a port
Pikahobbes: they are changing the whole damm story
BigGamerX: look at 2600 grahpics, what could you do with them?
Pikahobbes: adding a new main character for the majority of the game
BigGamerX: good
Pikahobbes: its being handled by overworks
Pikahobbes: its supposed to be supremely better than the dc version
Pikahobbes: aside from gilder's hand
Pikahobbes: i cant tell the difference by eye
BigGamerX: thats cause they are using certain graphic techniques
BigGamerX: not the type that would push the gc
BigGamerX: btw star fox is on 2 disks
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: isnt it?
Pikahobbes: i mean i know
Pikahobbes: wait
Pikahobbes: dont change the subject
Pikahobbes: they are using better lighting effects
BigGamerX: listen, it might have new chars..
Pikahobbes: they are having more polys
Pikahobbes: there's no difference
BigGamerX: but overall it wont look much better
Pikahobbes: not to me
Pikahobbes: not to the guy next to me
BigGamerX: cause they dont want to change everything
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
BigGamerX: when it looks good already
Pikahobbes: they already remodeled vyse
BigGamerX: what all consoles do you have?
Pikahobbes: depends
BigGamerX: dont care if they are emu or not
Pikahobbes: i know i'm biased but that's not the point
Pikahobbes: i'm saying better lightinng effects and polys wont do anything to the mainstream
BigGamerX: if you had xbox you wouldnt argue about its power, that is all
Pikahobbes: i've seen it
Pikahobbes: and yes
BigGamerX: no they wont
Pikahobbes: if they pushed it
Pikahobbes: it would be the most powerful
Pikahobbes: and most obvious
Pikahobbes: but more polys and lighting isnt how they're gonna push it
BigGamerX: doa3 pushes the most polys i believe
BigGamerX: more textures too
Pikahobbes: bitmapping is one of the things that will
BigGamerX: and BIGGER textures
Pikahobbes: does the mainstream care?
BigGamerX: xbox used larger size textures, thats why it looks more real
BigGamerX: yes, cause it looks better
Pikahobbes: we're not selling a console to computer freaks
Pikahobbes: we're selling it to the mainstream
Pikahobbes: to the ppl who mainly own PS2
BigGamerX: listen, when they actually see xbox, they all agree it looks better
Pikahobbes: will they?
Pikahobbes: i know many who don't
BigGamerX: i was testing enclave in the store
BigGamerX: they were all like WHOA !
BigGamerX: what game is that!
Pikahobbes: dude
BigGamerX: and it was the crappy looking level lol
Pikahobbes: the mainstream does that to any game
Pikahobbes: u could be playing kabuki warriors
BigGamerX: my sis has ps2
Pikahobbes: and they'd be like COOL THAT RULES
Pikahobbes: u have ps2 too
BigGamerX: and when she saw xbox.......she was like dam
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: that llooks alot better
Pikahobbes: but thats not the mainstream i'm talking about
Pikahobbes: the guys who dont play video games
BigGamerX: she is mainstream lol
BigGamerX: she dont either
Pikahobbes: then ones who bought one for no reason
BigGamerX: its her daughters
Pikahobbes: ah
BigGamerX: she only bought cause daughter wanted it
BigGamerX: cause of the"kids at school said it was cool"
BigGamerX: if thats not mainstream what is?
Pikahobbes: 12-24
Pikahobbes: sega said it themselves
Pikahobbes: 12-24 that isnt mainly a gamer
BigGamerX: well ms has plenty of money
BigGamerX: and i like it.......
Pikahobbes: duh
Pikahobbes: duh
BigGamerX: so it dont really matter
Pikahobbes: i like their games too
Pikahobbes: but i'm different
BigGamerX: it like it all
BigGamerX: I just would hate to see the machine with the most power go down due to the consumers ignorance
Pikahobbes: dude this is a long conversation
BigGamerX: we would all lose out
BigGamerX: yes it is
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
Pikahobbes: what if M$ bought nintendo?
BigGamerX: that would rule
Pikahobbes: not for me ;-)
BigGamerX: they treid to......but japanese are biased
Pikahobbes: yeah
Pikahobbes: they tried to buy sega too
Pikahobbes: japanese rule man
BigGamerX: how does that make you feel that they wont buy something you made/
Pikahobbes: they lifted this industry after the atari crash
BigGamerX: we did too.......we buy the stuff
Pikahobbes: a lot of ppl dont want to buy the stuff i made
Pikahobbes: i dont care
Pikahobbes: its shit
Pikahobbes: *mys tuff not xbox
Pikahobbes: newayz
Pikahobbes: m$ knew they were launching against the japanese prejudice
Pikahobbes: and they did pretty well too
BigGamerX: but with usa market, its all you really need
Pikahobbes: no
Pikahobbes: europe market is bigge
Pikahobbes: *bigger
BigGamerX: japanese developers are getting old
BigGamerX: its smaller
Pikahobbes: no
BigGamerX: not by mucy, but it is
Pikahobbes: never ignore the euros
Pikahobbes: they are a bigger market
Pikahobbes: everyone ignores them
BigGamerX: they get it all last for a reason
Pikahobbes: yeah...because nobody cares about them
Pikahobbes: not because they're smalledf
Pikahobbes: *smaller
BigGamerX: listen you are young
Pikahobbes: bias, again
Pikahobbes: duh
BigGamerX: you will learn that the only constant is change
Pikahobbes: and you shouldnt be arguing with me
Pikahobbes: yep
BigGamerX: it wont always be japanese, it will all spread out, and become diversified
Pikahobbes: or course
BigGamerX: mark my word
Pikahobbes: *of course
Pikahobbes: but not yet
Pikahobbes: i'm not arguing who will own the market in 2050
BigGamerX: already usa and eu developed games are overtaking them
Pikahobbes: i'm talking now
Pikahobbes:    really?
BigGamerX: what is the most popular game now?
Pikahobbes: tell me
Pikahobbes: what's the top selling nintendo game
BigGamerX: we all know waht it is.......
Pikahobbes: madden?
BigGamerX: no, popular on all platforms.......
BigGamerX: maybe that, but non sports its GTA3
Pikahobbes: that's my guess
Pikahobbes: duh
BigGamerX: made in the usa....
Pikahobbes: in the US
Pikahobbes: not in other markets
Pikahobbes: and BTW
BigGamerX: enclave, eu
BigGamerX: halo, usa
Pikahobbes: how about for Nintendo?
Pikahobbes: *gamecube
BigGamerX: they are dwindling slowly
BigGamerX: i heard rumors GC is their last console
Pikahobbes: dude
BigGamerX: then they do like Sega
Pikahobbes: everyone heard that
BigGamerX: which would rock
Pikahobbes: no u didnt get their point
Pikahobbes: they're gonna be idiots
Pikahobbes: and stick with gc for like 10 years
BigGamerX: and if they do that, they will slowly die
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: and not be a factor
BigGamerX: anyhoo, ms and sony
BigGamerX: are the only ones with enough $$$
Pikahobbes: eventually sega will be back
BigGamerX: to win the next war
Pikahobbes: and so will other companies
BigGamerX: maybe.......
BigGamerX: but then again EA is worth about 7 billion
Pikahobbes: i heard about a chinese company who's gonna launch a console
BigGamerX: and they just make games
Pikahobbes: no they learned their lesson...3d0
Pikahobbes: they might make one in some time
Pikahobbes: but i'm not gonna argue who's gonna be leading the market in 2030
BigGamerX: it was an offshoot of ea
Pikahobbes: i know
BigGamerX: ea backed it, but it really wasnt 'theirs"
Pikahobbes: it was their former president's
BigGamerX: trip hawkins
Pikahobbes: yep
BigGamerX: ARM60
Pikahobbes: ?
BigGamerX: 12.5 mhz
Pikahobbes: oh yeah
BigGamerX: 32 bit, 3do lol
Pikahobbes: bah
BigGamerX: had good sound
Pikahobbes: oh u have it
Pikahobbes:  >_<
BigGamerX: and a killer cd screen
BigGamerX: used to have it
Pikahobbes: lol
BigGamerX: and jaguar
Pikahobbes: and saturn
Pikahobbes: lol
BigGamerX: and 2600, and lynx
BigGamerX: i have saturn
Pikahobbes: u sold saturn?
BigGamerX: yet
Pikahobbes: oooo
BigGamerX: i got.......i mail ya pic
Pikahobbes: listen...the market will diversify....but it won't be only american companies
Pikahobbes: nintendo will still be a factor later...tehy're too stupid to leave the market
Pikahobbes: i actually beileve the market will still be owned by sony years from now
Pikahobbes: they have the best brand name for games as of now
BigGamerX: the best hype
BigGamerX: lol
Pikahobbes: hype?
Pikahobbes: they have the best games
Pikahobbes: *best assortment
BigGamerX: sony = hype
BigGamerX: not for long
Pikahobbes: nintendo still has the best games...but they're all platformers
Pikahobbes: and i HATE platformers
BigGamerX: lol
BigGamerX: but what about mario
Pikahobbes: bahj
Pikahobbes: *bah
Pikahobbes: super monkey ball 2 is better
BigGamerX: what about ramen?
BigGamerX: what about me?
BigGamerX: pc is actually most popular lol and we always forget it
BigGamerX: almost everyone has one
BigGamerX: after all, isnt it fun playing emus?;-)
Pikahobbes: not for gaming
BigGamerX: try that with any console!
Pikahobbes: everyone has a pc for games
Pikahobbes: i meean work
Pikahobbes: *work
BigGamerX: i dont
Pikahobbes: *mean
BigGamerX: what would i need it for?
Pikahobbes: yeah but ur screen name is 'biggamer x'
BigGamerX: i got it cause i wanted one
Pikahobbes: yeah
BigGamerX: and to get on the 'net"
Pikahobbes: but most ppl buy it for work or the net
Pikahobbes: if u polled ppl
Pikahobbes: and asked them how many of them bought for games
BigGamerX: but I always end up playing games too, or looking up game info with it lol
Pikahobbes: i'd say less than 40%
Pikahobbes: duh
Pikahobbes: btw
Pikahobbes: DC has emulators too
BigGamerX: but still, thats more than people have ps2
Pikahobbes: are you sure?
Pikahobbes: go find some figures
BigGamerX: 40 percent of pc market is still bigger than any console
Pikahobbes: a lot of ppl have ps2
Pikahobbes: dude
BigGamerX: you just know it is
Pikahobbes: 40% was my own little guess
BigGamerX: not that many
Pikahobbes: probably even smaller
BigGamerX: and i bet its higher than 40
Pikahobbes: right
Pikahobbes: but our bets mean nothing
BigGamerX: nope
Pikahobbes: :P