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Noises from Petrol Tanks
Petrol Fumes
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Noises from Petrol Tanks

Sprint Jun96
. . . Almost from new we have experienced a noise from the rear of the car when cornering at speed. This got progressively worse and was eventually diagnosed as loose baffle plates in the petrol tank. The only cure for it was to have a new tank fitted. Being of a nasty suspicious nature I was pleasantly surprised to detect no smell petrol in the boot when the car came back.

This was not to last. The seal used on the sender unit was either a reused or wrong part and the pressurisation of the fuel tank caused it to blow, filling the boot with Messrs Tesco's Finest Unleaded. Added to this, the trim used in the Chimaera's boot is a man made material which is now showing signs of melt down where it has been soaked in fuel.

Another interesting noise we have experienced is a loud, sudden thump from the rear of the car, usually after driving for an hour or so (but not always). I assumed that this was a sudden expansion of the fibreglass base of the boot caused by heat from the exhausts. Our dealer reckoned it was the fuel tank pressurising and causing the sides of the tank to pop out slightly. Another theory is that water from condensation is getting trapped in a carbon filter where the breather from the tank routes back to the front of the car. If this filter is cleared the noise stops. The Griffith appears to suffer from this too. Can anyone else shed any light on the subject?
Chris Morgan & Judy Williams

Internet Mailing List Oct 96
As I put the Griff in the Garage last night after a blast through the countryside, I heard a slight hissing coming from the boot. Knowing that there were various poisonous snakes at large at the moment I opened the boot with some trepidation, to find the petrol cap was making the noise. I opened the cap, it sucked some air in and stopped hissing. Is this normal? If it is not where is the breather pipe?
David Donnan

Internet Mailing List Oct 96
I think the fuel piping layout in the Griff is the same as in the Chimaera. I had the same problem some time ago. At the back of the filler pipe runs a small hose. You can find that by carefully removing some of the carpeting on top of the tank. This hose runs down to a so called purge valve ( black round thing ). This valve opens at a certain rpm to release some or all of the petrol vapour into a carbon filled container in front of the car. This is to meet emission regulations. So either the valve does not open or the carbon tank is filled with water. Another possibility is that some of the hosing is obstructed (a tight bend or something like that). The result is that the fuel pressure is building up in the tank with the hissing sound as a result.
Paul Schoenmakers

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Petrol Fumes

Oct 93
Some cars built between January and October 1993 had a breather pipe on the fuel filler neck fitted incorrectly, which could leak petrol fumes into the cabin. This should have been rectified at the next dealer service, and it's easy to check whether it's been done. The pipe is a rubber hose from the filler neck to the rollover valve, and it should bend up into the boot hinge recess before going down to the valve behind the tank. If there is no upward bend it is wrong and a new longer hose is needed.

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Fuel Pump

Internet Mailing List Jan 97
I have recently purchased a 1996 Chimeara which is an insurance total loss. The plan is to repair it and put it back on the road.

I have sorted out some electrical problems that the car had, but one remains. There is no power going to the fuel pump. I have assumed that the immobiliser is not causing this because I have obtained a new transmitter unit and successfully set it up so that the engine is willing to crank over and start if I apply power directly to the pump. I considered that it could be something as straightforward as a fuse, but I don't know which one. Can anyone tell me the exact location of the fuse in the fuse box (so I don't have to check every one) and offer other advice as to what the cause could be.
Matthew Johanson

Internet Mailing List Jan 97
Don't know if you have similar laws over there, but in US we have a rollover law that cuts power to the fuel pump to prevent fires in case of a rollover. There is a reset device located somewhere on the car, usually in the trunk, which must be reset to energize the fuel pump after it has been shutoff by the rollover. Maybe this is the problem? This is usually called out in the owners manual over here, if you got one with the car?
Anon, Detroit

Internet Mailing List Jan 97
This is quite likely to be the cause, particularly if the car has been involved in an accident. It mentions the fuel cut-off device in the owners manual.
Steve Powell

Internet Mailing List Sep 97
Seems like my fuel pump packed up over the weekend. Went to start the car, it turned over no problem, but wasn't firing. Tried again and noticed that I couldn't hear the fuel pump when switching on the ignition. I can't see any reference in the handbook to any fuse which might have blown, causing the failure and because of a CD multichanger installed above the tank, I couldn't get to the tank to check the wiring and connections. Does anyone know if there is something obvious and easily rectified which is causing this failure or do I need to arrange transport to the workshop to have this looked at?

The MIL light doesn't come on and I can't find the reset switch anyway (it's not on the inside of the passenger side wing like it says in the handbook, then again, a lot of things aren't like it says in the handbook). I do have a suspiscion that it might be related to the alarm (the alarm immobilises the fuel pump) since I've had a couple of alarm control boxes in as many months and am getting a sneaky feeling that they might not be that reliable!
Robert Pearson

Internet Mailing List Sep 97
The fuel pump is usually outside of the body strapped to the chassis where it can remain relatively cool. It is worth checking that the electrical connections are still OK. I believe that the unit is *normally* fused through the ignition/ECU fuse. It is worth checking all the fuses just in case. The fuel pump is controlled from the ECU, judging from the V8S circuits I have. While you are checking the connections, make sure that you are getting +12 volts from the car with the ignition etc on. If not, this does point the finger elsewhere! The fuel pump is also inhibited by the alarm and if this has been playing up, then I would be very suspicious indeed. You could try using the alarm key to disable the unit to see if that makes any difference. If not, it could involve tracing through the wiring with a multimeter to find out where the problem lies. The reset switch could be in the battery space in the footwell as well.
Steve Heath

Internet Mailing List Sep 97
Robert, it could be the fuel pump relay switches and not the pump itself, or it could even be that one of the leads has fallen out of the ECU. The former happened to my Chimaera, the latter to the Griff.
Andrew Derodra

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Pinking

Intenet Mailing List Sep 97
With the run-in period just completed, I've only now started harder acceleration, and...

Has anybody had any experiences with Griff500's pinking under acceleration? Mine has done about 2,700 miles, and uses super unleaded from the nearby Esso. Yet with a heavy right foot, it can start pinking at 3,500-4000 rpm. I've run out of road before I can see if it stops when I get to higher revs. And I've never gone past 5000rpm yet. The garage says this is fairly normal and can make a small adjustment.

Any clues out there?
Andrew Derodra

Intenet Mailing List Sep 97
I am having similar experiences with my Griff 500. In this part of the world, the best grade fuel in Malaysia assures 96 RON, and it pinks. However, the best we can get at home in Singapore is 98 RON, and the engine runs beautifully. In my experience therefore, the fuel grade makes a difference to how much ignition advance is tuned in. The higher RON fuel used, the more advance, and hence more power.
Kenny Heng

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