Vinder
Vinder really amazed me!
As soon as the first tones and riffs of "Visions Of Time" debouched from
my CD player, I was trapped in their world and the story goes on this way
ever since. I trully believe that these guys have managed to give birth
to one of the greatest albums for this year, an album that could be even
characterized as a classic piece of work... Read this very interesting
interview and dive into Vinder's world!
1. HELLO! FIRST OF ALL “VISIONS OF TIME” IS
A VERY GOOD ALBUM. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? HAVE YOU FOUND ANY WEAK PARTS
ON THE ALBUM OR ARE YOU COMPLETELY SATISFIED?
Thanks a lot! We are very glad to hear that
you like the album. We finished the recordings of the songs around March
2005. For that point in time I think it was a solid piece of work. And
we are still happy with it. We involved also Martin Winkler from Stormwitch
into the production process and Tolis from Sleaszyrider gave the production
for the final Mastering to R.D. Liapakis from Mystic Prophecy. This man
did an awesome job. We were really surprised listening to the final master.
After recording the album we started to present the material live. Playing
all the stuff live certainly you start rearranging things and now – almost
one and a half year later there are things you would have recorded slightly
different. But playing with bands like Metal Church, Chinchilla and My
Darkest Hate the band improved on stage from gig to gig and we still like
to play the songs. And the other thing is, a recording always is a kind
of snapshot and especially the roughness of the production in some part
is correlated to exactly that period of time. In summary, yes we are really
completely satisfied with that album, but the 2006 material is tighter
and heavier than ever, especially Nick Winkler on vocals is doing a really
good job and he is much more involved into the songwriting than for the
first release.
2. OLI AND RALF, WERE PREVIOUSLY MEMBERS (AND
AS I READ IN THE BIO FOUNDERS) OF THE WELL KNOWN METAL BAND TYRAN PACE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU DIDN’T DECIDE TO REFORM TYRAN PACE AND YOU
FORMED VINDER INSTEAD?
Yes, Oli and Ralf were founder members of
Tyran Pace. By the way Ralf Scheepers joined the band later. Shortly before
the first Tyran Pace release Ralf left to join Sinner (they were a really
big name that time in Germany and Mat Sinner is currently reforming Sinner
again). Now for the actual question, Tyran Pace was, starting with the
first release, always associated with the name Ralf Scheepers. Therefore
it makes absolutely no sense to reform Tyran Pace without him. And Ralf
Scheepers has absolutely no reason to leave Primal Fear at the moment.
3. IS THERE A CHANCE IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO REUNITE
AS TYRAN PACE IN ORDER TO DO SOME LIVE SHOWS? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL
THESE REUNIONS OF 80’S METAL BANDS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE LATE YEARS?
They did! On last years Rock For One World
charity festival, which was headlined by Primal Fear and Mat Sinners side
project Shiva, Tyran Pace reunited for one song and we all had a lot of
fun and there were a lot of people we haven’t met for years – What a party.
The guys are still good friends and just a few days ago they met at a private
birthday party of an old friend to perform eye to eye and jam along a few
other songs. But at the moment there are no plans to extend these activities
for a wider audience. We all want to keep the memories in the good old
days, everybody has his own projects now and it’s better to face the future
and leave the past behind.
4. IS VINDER A STABLE BAND OR A PROJECT? I AM
ASKING THAT, BECAUSE OLI AND RALF ALSO PLAY IN OTHER BANDS…. WILL YOU CONTINUE
PLAYING IN OTHER BANDS OR IS VINDER YOUR ONLY PRIORITY NOW?
Vinder is a stable band. And all the members
have the main focus on Vinder. But playing with other bands always expands
your mind – and sometimes it’s just for the money as Huyz is playing also
in a Judas Priest Cover band called Just Priest.
5. I READ IN YOUR BIO THAT YOU HAD A COLLABORATION
WITH PRIMAL FEAR FOR THEIR ALBUM “DEVIL’S GROUND”. CAN YOU TELL US MORE?
DO YOU PLAN IN A FUTURE VINDER RELEASE TO ASK A MEMBER FROM PRIMAL FEAR
TO DO A GUEST APPEARANCE?
That’s a funny and simple story. Oli had recorded
a demo with Pandora’s Box and did send it to Ralf Schulz for the lyrics
(Ralf Schulz was responsible for most of the lyrics on Visions Of Time)
but he had some problems to find the melodic lines so he did send the track
to Ralf Scheepers from Primal Fear. Scheepers placed the melodic lines
and liked the song that much that he wanted to take the song for the Devil’s
Ground album. The song name changed to Sacred Illusions due to Scheepers
lyrics and that’s it. For Nick it was hard, because we did not allow him
to listen to the Primal Fear song until he recorded his vocals on Pandora’s
Box. We did not want the Scheepers version to have any influences on Nick’s
melodies. Now we have to versions (remember Mechanix from Megadeth :) )
By the way, Pandora’s Box is available for download on www.vinder.de
in two Vinder versions, one live track and the other from the Visions Of
Time album.
6. BY THE WAY WHAT DOES THE NAME VINDER MEAN AND
HOW DID YOU CHOOSE IT?
Oli is a guy who always said that he wants
a name that does not exist in the real world. Thinking of all the internet
search engines that is no bad idea because a name as bulldozer won’t help
you find the band with google. Later we found out that Vinder means Winner
in Danish. And we found a story about a Roman guy named Julius C. Vinder,
who wanted get a piece of land from Nero. He used a sort of cumin that
made his face look very pale and then he went to Nero. Nero gave him the
piece of land because he thought that man will die soon anyway. But I think
he lived quite well for another 20 years or so. That’s a funny story that
tells you that sometimes you have to choose unconventional ways to reach
your goals.
7. ALTHOUGH YOU ARE FROM GERMANY, A COUNTRY THAT
IS CONSIDERED AS THE CAPITAL OF EUROPEAN METAL YOU’VE DECIDED TO COLLABORATE
WITH A GREEK LABEL LIKE SLEASZY RIDER. WHICH WERE THE REASONS THAT LED
YOU TO SUCH COLLABORATION? ARE YOU SATISFIED SO FAR WITH THE PROMOTION
OF THIS LABEL?
We got the connection to Tolis from Sleaszyrider
through Klaus Sperling (ex-Primal Fear, My Darkest Hate and now recording
the new Sinner album) and everything sounded really promising. We had some
problems with the press factory in Greece so the only really bad thing
at that time was that the release had a delay of about 6 months after the
mastering was finished…
8. IN THE BIO THAT YOUR LABEL SENT ME, THEY CHARACTERIZE
YOU AS A TEUTONIC METAL BAND. WHICH DO YOU BELIEVE IS THE TRUE MEANING
OF THIS CHARACTERIZATION? HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOUND?
I think that the description Teutonic metal
has a more geographically driven meaning. It’s a term that was brought
in by Tolis I think – from the Greece perspective. I think in the 80s we
used that term to characterize bands such as Accept, Faithful Breath, etc..
We think our sound has of course traditional metal elements and we cannot
deny that we grew up with the metal in the 80s but we have a good portion
of modern thrash influences.
9. I BELIEVE THAT HERE IN GREECE THERE ARE MANY
PEOPLE THAT WILL LIKE THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY. SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO
VISIT US HERE FOR A LIVE SHOW? WILL YOU DO ANY LIVE SHOWS IN GENERAL, IN
ORDER TO SUPPORT YOUR DEBUT ALBUM?
We had a couple of live shows with Metal Church,
My Darkest Hate, Chinchilla and Donnerkopf (ex-Thunderhead) to promote
the new album in 2005. All dated for the planned release so it was a pity
that the CD was released after the shows. Currently we are preparing for
some gigs for the second half of 2006. We are looking forward to playing
in Greece perhaps at the end of 2006 or early 2007 but nothing has been
fixed right now. Everybody in the band would be very happy to play in Greece
as it is a beautiful country and there is a huge metal scene. At the moment
it is not that easy to find a lot of good locations to play in Germany.
And we all have to plan it because we have some dependencies because of
the things we do for our living.
10. WHICH WAS THE WORST COMMENT THAT YOU READ
ABOUT THE BAND AND HOW DID YOU REACT?
I think it was a review of the second live
performance of the band when someone did write the band is acting “stiff
in the hip”, which means they have no stage acting. Well that was the second
gig – that evening everybody was more concentrating on the song material.
But when we calmed down we agreed on that comment and in the other gigs
we had more focus on stage acting and I think now people get what they
expect. Nick is doing a fabulous job communicating with the audience. But
we are far away eating bats on stage or doing some other silly thing on
stage. It’s Rock and Roll and we practice what we preach.
11. WILL YOU SHOOT ANY VIDEO CLIPS FOR YOUR DEBUT
ALBUM? IF YES WHICH SONG WILL YOU CHOOSE AND WHY?
We had no plans to shoot a video for the first
CD. For the second CD which has the working title “Vitruvian Man” Stani
and Nick are working on some themes to realize it visually. The current
plans are more in the direction of an experimental film that will use one
or two Vinder songs that correlate lyrically as a soundtrack. There are
already some existing demo sequences with multiple perspectives displayed
at the same time showing the same scenes on one display slightly delayed
so that you do not know what the sequence that happened is and what the
sequence that will happen is. The current moment, the presence is the only
point in time you can not describe. Once you start – it has passed, it’s
past. Enough –you’ll see :)
12. WHO WRITES THE LYRICS? CAN YOU TELL US IN
A FEW WORDS WHICH THE THEME OF EACH SONG THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDED HERE IS?
WHAT DOES THE INITIALS (F.U.C.K.) IN THE TITLE OF THE 4TH SONG MEAN?
Most of the lyrics for Visions of Time have
been written by Ralf Schulz and the rest of it by Oli Kaufmann. Using the
abbreviations in F.U.CK. is based on an idea of Oli respecting the legal
situation in the United States where you can get some trouble using words
like this. So there is no meaning behind it – it’s just used to not use
the word fuck. Now to the songs of Visions of time:
Dust to Dust – This song mentions that
the evil forces are no creation of mankind but existed a long time before
a human being or any other creature populated the planet. Mankind just
discovered these forces and used them from the beginning of their existence.
Especially the Catholic Church instrumented these forces for a certain
period of time, that’s what we want to cover with the line Ashes to ashes,
dust to dust. The Old Testament is really brutal. People don’t have the
choice; there is only black or white – not much space in between.
Demon’s Hate – This song continuous
the foreshadowing of Dust to dust with the bad influences the Catholic
Church had on mankind in the middle age.s People like you and me where
really trying to live the way the church wanted them to. But the church
did not rest and increased the pressure on people, so no matter how they
believed in god they were forced to find power from other sources to be
released from their pain.
Trash Of society – A variation on young
and useless from Thunderhead if you want. Once you reached a certain level
in our society near the social bottom the following direction is almost
clear. Useless for our commercial driven capitalistic society you are useless.
Not only that you have to face a really hard live – no the society will
not stop to show you that they don’t give a damn. The result of this can
be something we have seen in France some weeks ago when all the young people
in the suburbs where really hard to tame.
F.U.C.K. this – We have all these TV
casting shows that create bands that will be pushed by labels to simply
earn money for a short time. Our criticism is that first of all the music
they produce for the masses just sucks and that the big labels have no
long breath to let a band grow. There are a couple of bands from the 60s
and 70s that just needed some time to grow and they became heroes – not
for one day but for a really long time and we still hear the influences
of these bands nowadays. In the 60s the British government invested a lot
of money into – we don’t know how you call it, youth centers or something
like this, where young people met. So that they could play music the government
spent money and of course rooms where the young ones could play. That’s
one reason for the boom that had its origin in Great Britain. Eric Clapton,
Jimmy Page and all these guys have the same roots. Today Sweden has some
concepts to support young musicians and bands for 2 or 3 years financially
so the bands can grow without pressure and look – they have a lot of really
good bands and a really solid foundation for metal.
Mr.Knowitall – It’s all about the guy
who owns our rehearsal room and we can tell you – this guy thinks he knows
everything, is proud of himself and his mouth never shuts: “Talk yourself
to death, Mr. Wonderful”.
Slave – Express yourself, play your
music no matter if House or Metal as long as it comes from your heart.
And if someone wants you to do anything you do not want to, spit in his
face or walk away but don’t do it, don’t be his slave.
Pandora’s Box – Sometimes you are suffering
for things and you know exactly that in the end it will turn out bad but
you can’t stop it. Sometimes certain feelings are a mixture of pain and
pleasure and that‘s exactly what this song describes. For example being
in a relation with a clear knowledge that you get betrayed, you know this
hurts but you cannot stop it because of the pleasure you can participate
and the lust you feel getting her back. Or you know exactly where you could
end up touring around with some friends starting drinking – sometimes it
really turns out bad and headaches are the smallest problem, but you know,
some days later you want to open the box again …
TV Kid – It’s about hanging around in
front of the television, you are watching all the crap, confronted with
violence, you stop living the moment you turn on that thing.
Visions of Time – This is the oldest
song on the album. Ralf Schulz wrote the song when he was playing in a
band called Double-D. The lyrics did change a bit and the title that time
was Dr. Dolphin. The song is on a more abstract level now and mentions
all the pain mankind brought on this planet. Killing around not only human
beings but also all the animals for no reasons. We think there is a big
difference in killing animals for your needs or just for fun. There is
no excuse killing animals for fun. The other aspect of the song is the
non-existence of any emotions by time. Time has no feeling and there is
no natural justice that will keep all these crimes in mind. The sea is
red the moment the dolphin is shot but just a few hours later the sea is
blue and there is no sign of the crime to see. We’ll extend these thoughts
on the next album, talking about the presence that is only a virtual point
in time whereas past and future describe a period. There is certainly an
exact moment when the dolphin dies but this moment is infinitely small
that if the surrounding conditions allow it nobody will recognize it. Currently
a lot of people die on this planet each day. And in the western world the
conditions are in a way that we simply don’t care about it. Our health
is based on the pain of these people.
Whore Babylon – We think this is the
best song on the album – Ok, not all members of the band agree, but most
of them. “Praise yourself and money”, this is exactly the thing we live
with. As we mentioned before we do not care as long as we don’t have to
suffer. We are not in the position to decide whether we do it right or
wrong. We lack the Meta level to have a view on our behavior from an outside
point of view. Natural Sciences had the same problem for a long time; they
could only describe things they saw. In the meantime they calculate multidimensions
and nobody can ever see these dimensions. We hope that mankind once will
have the ability to reach this meta-level to judge in a more objective
way before it is too late.
13. YOU PLAY MUSIC DEEPLY ROOTED IN THE 80’S.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE STILL YOUNG METALHEADS OUT THERE THIRSTY TO
LISTEN TO SUCH MUSIC OR DO YOU THINK YOUR SOUND APPLIES MORE TO THE OLDER
METALLERS?
On the concerts the biggest part of the audience
are young metal heads. What we think is, the older metallers still support
the scene buying CDs and everything going to the bigger festivals, open
airs and the young one tend to go to the club gigs. It’s always a question
of the money you have. For the big festivals as Rock am Ring you pay about
100 EUROS and that’s a lot of money.
14. NAME 5 CLASSIC METAL SONGS THAT YOU LIKE A
LOT AND YOU’D LIKE TO HAVE COMPOSED YOURSELF…
Not so easy, with 5 guys, so each got one
song: Young and Useless – Thunderhead, Cowboys from hell – Pantera, Fast
as a Shark – Accept, Hells Bells – AC/DC, Children of the damned – Iron
Maiden.
15. LET’S SAY THAT YOUR MUSIC IS A PAINTING. WHAT
WOULD IT SHOW AND IF IT WAS AN EMOTION WHAT WOULD IT BE?
Hey, our Logo is not so bad. Let’s say it
is a silhouette of a randy bull face. The emotion then would be positive
aggression. Not aggression that will hurt but the aggression to fulfill
you desires with a positive result for everyone involved.
16. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME! I REALLY
LIKE YOUR ALBUM A LOT. THE LAST LINES BELONG TO YOU AND PLEASE LEAVE A
MESSAGE TO THE READERS OF OUR ‘ZINE…
Thank you and we hope to meet you personally
in Greece soon.
Nick “William_Kidd”
Parastatidis
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