Another cool p/RF conversation...
Destiny vs. Free Will:

RectalFetus(21:25 PM) : 
you know what i was thinking the other day...
RectalFetus(21:25 PM) : 
you konw how john edwards says he can talk to deads
RectalFetus(21:26 PM) : 
and how he says the dead know what youre doing
pocket(21:26 PM) : 
yeah...
RectalFetus(21:26 PM) : 
well what if you wre adopted, would your dead biological 
parents know who you are
pocket(21:27 PM) : 
probably
RectalFetus(21:27 PM) : 
i think he should be tested
pocket(21:27 PM) : 
how do you test something like that?
RectalFetus(21:28 PM) : 
yo have to know someones dead biological parents, then 
that person, and that person cant know
pocket(21:28 PM) : 
oooh.. that would be a good test
RectalFetus(21:29 PM) : 
you ever see that one guys site, where he is putting up a 
million dollars for anyone who can prove anything 
supernatural?
pocket(21:29 PM) : 
yeah
RectalFetus(21:29 PM) : 
thats a good site
RectalFetus(21:30 PM) : 
that woudl be a good test for john edwards
pocket(21:30 PM) : 
I thought I read somewhere that he asked edwards to be 
tested or something, but he refused saying that.. oh wait.. 
it was on a john edwards show one time..
RectalFetus(21:31 PM) : 
seeing that he woudl pass up an easy millon  with that..id 
have to think hes a fake
RectalFetus(21:31 PM) : 
probalby
pocket(21:31 PM) : 
he was explaining why he never let people like that test him..
RectalFetus(21:31 PM) : 
he called gloria sylva, and she agreed, but never showed up
pocket(21:31 PM) : 
cuz he says if they're skeptical, they're going to be skeptical 
no matter what.. and that he doesn't have to prove it to them
pocket(21:31 PM) : 
oh.. she's good
RectalFetus(21:32 PM) : 
i used to like her
RectalFetus(21:32 PM) : 
but i dont believe her anymore
pocket(21:32 PM) : 
you seem very skeptical these days
RectalFetus(21:33 PM) : 
no more than usual
pocket(21:33 PM) : 
I just think it's hard to prove stuff.. and it's easy to pinpoint 
some little thing and make it seem like they're fake
RectalFetus(21:33 PM) : 
i onlly believed some of tha tstuff cause i saw nothing saying 
it was false
pocket(21:34 PM) : 
what about big foot?
RectalFetus(21:34 PM) : 
nah, if it was real, its just as easy
RectalFetus(21:34 PM) : 
well tahts different
pocket(21:34 PM) : 
how so?
RectalFetus(21:35 PM) : 
well bigfoot is physical
RectalFetus(21:36 PM) : 
i just though of a good reason, but then i forgot it right 
afterward
pocket(21:36 PM) : 
well, as far as psychic stuff goes.. people can "prove" stuff 
over and over and over and over.. and they're not satisfied.  
maybe it's not an exact science.
pocket(21:36 PM) : 
cuz see.. maybe the psychic stuff is something that "comes" 
to them, and not something they can control.. so they can't 
always give what the people are asking for
RectalFetus(21:37 PM) : 
but theyll always give the truth, ive seen stuff on gloria's site 
that she didnt even bothher to change, and was way off
pocket(21:38 PM) : 
yeah, i saw some crazy stuff there.. but what if her "contacts" 
sometimes are just playing around with her.. or maybe it was in 
the cards the way things were going, but people can change 
what's in store for them.
RectalFetus(21:39 PM) : 
nah, i dont buy that
RectalFetus(21:40 PM) : 
if "see the future" youre seeing ...the future, not what could 
happen, thats the same as guessing
pocket(21:40 PM) : 
nah.. see.. the future is mutable
RectalFetus(21:40 PM) : 
i dont believe that
pocket(21:41 PM) : 
if everything keeps going the way it's going, certain things are 
probable to happen and will happen in this course.. BUT.. if you 
change a little something, you're writing a whole other course of 
events.. slightly altering certain things
pocket(21:42 PM) : 
that's what I think.. the future is probabilities.. definate lines of 
probability
RectalFetus(21:42 PM) : 
its like, if i put a dime in your hand, then next time you looked 
at it, it was a quarter, that doesnt happen... a good story woudl be 
with nostradamus and the king's pigs
pocket(21:42 PM) : 
tell me
RectalFetus(21:44 PM) : 
ok, well the king was skeptical about nostradamuses powers, so 
he invites him over for dinner, and he says "predict the color of 
pig we are going to eat", nos says "black"..so  the day of dinnner 
comes, the king tells the chef to prepare the white pig, so the 
chef prepares the white pig, but while its being prepared, it gets 
knocked to the floor, and they end up cooking the black insted.
RectalFetus(21:45 PM) : 
see you can change the future, but if the psychic is real, they 
see what IS going to happen
RectalFetus(21:45 PM) : 
if i say tomorrow, im going to get gas on teh way to work, it 
might or it might not happen, but if a real psychic says i am..
then i am
pocket(21:46 PM) : 
but that's a short future.. maybe they're easier to get correct 
cuz there's less opportunity for change
pocket(21:46 PM) : 
and maybe it depends on the strength of the psychic
RectalFetus(21:47 PM) : 
but saying that "the future i see can change" is just an excuse 
for a bad psychic
pocket(21:48 PM) : 
sure it could be.. but maybe that's the way it is, too.
pocket(21:49 PM) : 
so you're saying that you believe the future is set no matter what
RectalFetus(21:49 PM) : 
yes
RectalFetus(21:49 PM) : 
no
RectalFetus(21:49 PM) : 
well..
pocket(21:49 PM) : 
haha.. which is it?
pocket(21:50 PM) : 
if you want the psychic's to be 100% correct every time.. 
then that means the future is concrete
RectalFetus(21:50 PM) : 
im saying YOU can do whatever you want, YOU are in 
control of your future, PSYCHICS see THE ONLY future
pocket(21:50 PM) : 
that's an oxymoron
RectalFetus(21:50 PM) : 
no
pocket(21:51 PM) : 
if there's an ONLY future, then you're not truly in control of 
what you do
RectalFetus(21:51 PM) : 
yes
pocket(21:51 PM) : 
huh?
RectalFetus(21:51 PM) : 
you are in control, and that is your future
RectalFetus(21:51 PM) : 
if you want to do x, psychic will see x
pocket(21:52 PM) : 
what if you change your mind?
RectalFetus(21:52 PM) : 
that is a part of x
pocket(21:52 PM) : 
then no matter what you do, you'll arrive at x
pocket(21:52 PM) : 
then you're not in control of your future
RectalFetus(21:52 PM) : 
yeah
pocket(21:52 PM) : 
it's already set
RectalFetus(21:52 PM) : 
right
RectalFetus(21:52 PM) : 
no
pocket(21:52 PM) : 
hahaha
pocket(21:53 PM) : 
you think you can change little things, but not the 
big things?
RectalFetus(21:53 PM) : 
no
RectalFetus(21:54 PM) : 
its hard to explain
pocket(21:54 PM) : 
so how do you explain psychics who get 90% of everything 
right, but a few things wrong?
pocket(21:54 PM) : 
luck?
RectalFetus(21:55 PM) : 
a psychic will see what will happen, and what the physic 
sees is the truth, but you are in control, and you make the 
choices, psychics will see those and what tehy see and 
what you do are teh same thing
RectalFetus(21:55 PM) : 
yeah
pocket(21:55 PM) : 
okay wait..
pocket(21:55 PM) : 
I see that what you are saying is that we do control our 
future, and the psychic sees what we are going to do.. but...
RectalFetus(21:56 PM) : 
just human error i guess, if the psychic is real, which im 
skeptical about anyway
RectalFetus(21:56 PM) : 
its like, if you see something, you describe it to me, you can 
never describe it perfectly to me
pocket(21:57 PM) : 
if the psychic HAS SEEN what we are going to willfully 
choose to do.. they've already seen it.. then it's already mapped 
out.  to me.. that says we're not actually controlling it, but 
just thinking we are
RectalFetus(21:58 PM) : 
well if thats how you want to think of it
pocket(21:59 PM) : 
well.. if someone can read "our will".. then.. isn't it mapped out?  
even if we're the ones who's mapped it?
pocket(21:59 PM) : 
who are actively mapping it
RectalFetus(22:00 PM) : 
but its not like some magic being says "mr x will become a 
millionare" so that just magically happens one day, its more 
like mr x works his ass off , and becomes a millionare, and the 
psychic can predict that, if mr x chose to be a lazy slob, the 
psychic woudl say
RectalFetus(22:01 PM) : 
well i think youre just thinking of it differently, like putting it 
in a bad light
pocket(22:01 PM) : 
I understand what you're saying.. but I don't like the idea of my 
stuff being mapped out already
RectalFetus(22:01 PM) : 
well its mapped out in the way you will chose to go
pocket(22:01 PM) : 
hey.. i just thought of something
RectalFetus(22:02 PM) : 
what
pocket(22:02 PM) : 
so if it's already mapped out (by the way I will choose to go) 
then.. how the hell is it already mapped out?  have I already 
been there and done it?
pocket(22:02 PM) : 
or is it like an internal map I was born with?
pocket(22:02 PM) : 
and who planned it out?
RectalFetus(22:03 PM) : 
i dont know...but NO ONE PLANNED IT, thats the main part
RectalFetus(22:03 PM) : 
my theory is..
RectalFetus(22:04 PM) : 
like how we use radio waves...but then found light is faster,  
there is another energy that is existant all at once
pocket(22:05 PM) : 
ahh.. so you mean light was there all along, we just didn't 
see it
pocket(22:05 PM) : 
know it
RectalFetus(22:05 PM) : 
right
pocket(22:05 PM) : 
so you're saying our future exists at the same time as now, 
we just don't see it
RectalFetus(22:05 PM) : 
like how years ago we would have never though of everything 
being made of molecules, theres stil lots we dont know
RectalFetus(22:05 PM) : 
kind of
RectalFetus(22:06 PM) : 
like how on a record...all the music is there, but you only 
listen to one note at a time
pocket(22:06 PM) : 
the whole record is already planned
pocket(22:06 PM) : 
hahaha
RectalFetus(22:06 PM) : 
right
pocket(22:06 PM) : 
so our lives are planned
pocket(22:06 PM) : 
or taking place simultaneously
pocket(22:06 PM) : 
><
RectalFetus(22:06 PM) : 
no
RectalFetus(22:07 PM) : 
there is no PLAN
RectalFetus(22:07 PM) : 
dont think PLAN
pocket(22:07 PM) : 
then how is there a record?
pocket(22:07 PM) : 
okay.. map
RectalFetus(22:07 PM) : 
ok map is better
pocket(22:07 PM) : 
there's a map.. with no thinking behind it
pocket(22:07 PM) : 
are we born with this map?
RectalFetus(22:08 PM) : 
the map exists
RectalFetus(22:08 PM) : 
and you control what you do, however your choices have 
already been plotted on the map
pocket(22:08 PM) : 
is everyone on the same map, and just different roads for the 
different lives?  is it one big map?
pocket(22:08 PM) : 
who's map is it?
RectalFetus(22:09 PM) : 
we only said map for metaphorical reasons
pocket(22:09 PM) : 
well i have to understand it somehow
RectalFetus(22:09 PM) : 
its a myscial map that is so complex you can never 
comprehend it
pocket(22:09 PM) : 
I don't like that
RectalFetus(22:09 PM) : 
well thats part of life
pocket(22:09 PM) : 
we can comprehend it, if we can get the tiniest sense of it, 
then it's comprehesible
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
no
pocket(22:10 PM) : 
who did this?
pocket(22:10 PM) : 
all this map making?
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
no one
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
nothing
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
it exists
pocket(22:10 PM) : 
then why is it here?
pocket(22:10 PM) : 
how is it here?
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
it has always existed
RectalFetus(22:10 PM) : 
i dont konw
pocket(22:10 PM) : 
I want to know
RectalFetus(22:11 PM) : 
well you never will, and you cant
RectalFetus(22:11 PM) : 
think of it like this..
RectalFetus(22:11 PM) : 
you know how sat analogies(sp) work?
pocket(22:11 PM) : 

no sir, explain
RectalFetus(22:12 PM) : 
ok, they do these on the SATs and conan does them...
pocket(22:12 PM) : 
this is to this how this is to this?
RectalFetus(22:12 PM) : 
cat : dog  kitten : ????    
pocket(22:12 PM) : 
puppy
RectalFetus(22:12 PM) : 
and thats said "cat is to dog  as kitten is to...??? "
RectalFetus(22:12 PM) : 
right
RectalFetus(22:12 PM) : 
ok..now
RectalFetus(22:13 PM) : 
monkey : human  complex trigonomitry : what you 
want to know
RectalFetus(22:14 PM) : 
a monkey can learn basic sign language and math..but 
somethings, they just can not comprehend
pocket(22:14 PM) : 
our brain has more potential than is being used
pocket(22:14 PM) : 
we can comprehend, we just have to open our brain
RectalFetus(22:14 PM) : 
no
RectalFetus(22:14 PM) : 
how big are monkey brains?
RectalFetus(22:14 PM) : 
ape brains?
pocket(22:15 PM) : 
I don't know.. fist size?
pocket(22:15 PM) : 
our size?
RectalFetus(22:15 PM) : 
almost as big as ours, and look how much less they know
pocket(22:15 PM) : 
yeah, but we only use 10% of ours
pocket(22:15 PM) : 
if we can figure out how to hotwire the rest...
pocket(22:15 PM) : 
who knows
RectalFetus(22:15 PM) : 
maybe
RectalFetus(22:16 PM) : 
id like more resarch on taht first
RectalFetus(22:16 PM) : 
like how much animals use
RectalFetus(22:16 PM) : 
wha tparts are used for waht, and which parts are not used
pocket(22:16 PM) : 
hotwiring our brains should be our top priority
pocket(22:16 PM) : 
that's like self evolution
RectalFetus(22:16 PM) : 
that really should be top priority
RectalFetus(22:17 PM) : 
like those people who are against SETI...
pocket(22:17 PM) : 
stupid people who can't think towards the future
RectalFetus(22:18 PM) : 
think about it..seti searches like 1/1000000 of the universe or 
whatever..well there is some funds from us government gooign 
twoards it..and people would rather have that money searching 
for proof where its easier to find..here on earth
pocket(22:18 PM) : 
we should have funds for both rather than trivial things
pocket(22:18 PM) : 
like.. stuff
RectalFetus(22:19 PM) : 
yeah
RectalFetus(22:19 PM) : 
well the government doesnt want to prove anythign about 
aliens
pocket(22:19 PM) : 
then they are satisfied with being monkeys
pocket(22:19 PM) : 
that's the difference right there
RectalFetus(22:19 PM) : 
no, thats the right choice
pocket(22:19 PM) : 
not proving aliens?
RectalFetus(22:20 PM) : 
yeah
pocket(22:20 PM) : 
:(
RectalFetus(22:20 PM) : 
what do you think pepople would do if the government 
admitted anyting
pocket(22:20 PM) : 
freak out
pocket(22:20 PM) : 
throw out religion
pocket(22:21 PM) : 
at first.. but that's just reactionary
RectalFetus(22:21 PM) : 
everyone from your fanatic religious folks, to regular psychos, 
to normal people would all go into freakout mode x 100
pocket(22:21 PM) : 
afterwards.. the growth happens
pocket(22:21 PM) : 
growing pains
RectalFetus(22:21 PM) : 
i doubt that
pocket(22:21 PM) : 
Columbus and the new world
pocket(22:21 PM) : 
they thought he was crazy
pocket(22:22 PM) : 
what if he just quit
pocket(22:22 PM) : 
and everyone still believed the world was flat?
RectalFetus(22:22 PM) : 
some religions would form, some would change/ reread 
the bible to include aliens and it would get worse
pocket(22:22 PM) : 
I don't like having to wait for the world to be ready for things 
to change.. the world moves too slowly
RectalFetus(22:23 PM) : 
and 98% of the followers will still be there
pocket(22:23 PM) : 
so.. I don't care if some people choose to be dumb
pocket(22:24 PM) : 
as long as others are learning the truth
pocket(22:24 PM) : 
whatever it is
RectalFetus(22:24 PM) : 
well thats easy to say..but its not goign to happen without 
funds that those people possess
pocket(22:24 PM) : 
ahh.. so it's about money and religious power 
pocket(22:25 PM) : 
religion runs the world.. cuz like you said.. without it.. 
mass chaos
pocket(22:25 PM) : 
it's the world's way of controlling the people
RectalFetus(22:28 PM) : 
exactly
RectalFetus(22:29 PM) : 
welll, im goign to bed now
RectalFetus(22:29 PM) : 
night pocket
pocket(22:29 PM) : 
goodnight