Produce a couplet like this: A counter challenge!
 

This article is addressed to Submitters in response to "Challenging the Quran: Suras like it"
at
www.submission.org/challenge.html


    Quranic scholars have traditionally interpreted the challenge to produce a "Sura like it" found in the Quran as something to do with its eloquence, its moral and spiritual message. The submitters at www.submission.org/challenge.html claim that it is the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran which has to be taken into consideration. Though I am happy that at least some one has come out with some objective rules for the challenge game, I feel your challenge is rather unrealistic (please read further).

Problems in meeting the challenge
    Your article says: "You can write it in either Arabic, English or any other language of your choice". I appreciate your consideration for other languages, but in the end you also insist that "Any produced sura to be considered (sura like it) should fit in the Quran amid its other suras without disturbing any of its mathematical miracle criteria". This can never be met in any language, leave alone in Arabic. Let me explain the reason behind this.
    (i) If I produce a sura with 19 sentences and 114 words, and with key words like God, Law and Messenger in it (as you have insisted), my sura may not still contain those same 10 letters (from A to Q) in multiples of 19! Conversely it may contain many other letters in multiples of 19!
    (ii) Secondly, I do not understand why words like Law and Messenger should occur 5 or 7 times only! I wonder if you would disqualify a Sura if it contains the words Law and Messenger, 19 times instead of the required 5 or 7!
    (iii) And also, if I use Tamil as the language to create a chapter like the one you requested, I will never be able to produce words with letters Q and H, as they DO NOT exist in Tamil. It is just like asking others to produce a verse/chapter with Tamil letter "
zha" () in them. This letter is unique to the Dravidian family of languages, particularly Tamil and Malayalam!
   (iv) And lastly, we now know that the criteria you have laid down for the Sura are only hypothetical and no Sura in the Quran itself meets your own criteria!. So the challenge, as far as the Sura is concerned, remains null and void.

What about the Christian claims?
     You have made the task an impossible one because your criteria are not a set of general conditions but something very specific to the Quran. To illustrate this with an example, I would like you to refer to the Christian claims in the first Biblical verse:

    At least 11 of the 30 mathematical combinations based on number 7 have been described from this verse. Some of these mathematical combinations are so unique that it will be futile to try and produce verse of that type. Grant R. Jeffrey in his book "The Signature of God" says: "When professors on the mathematics faculty at Harward University were presented with this biblical phenomenon, they naturally attempted to disprove its significance as a proof of its divine authorship. However, after valiant efforts these professors were unable to duplicate this incredible mathematical phenomenon".
    So the point we have to realize is that the mathematical combinations in Genesis 1:1 and Quran 1:1 are unique to themselves. Trying to imitate these verses and at the same time expect the verse to have the same combination of mathematical miracles will be a futile exercise, even if it is in their respective languages, Arabic and Hebrew!
    It is therefore not a surprise that you have also ended your article with a similar note like Jeffrey's:
"To this day, 3 February, 2000, for over 7 months now, there has been no single attempt to meet the challenge, not even with a "Verse Like it." We are still waiting".

Verse like it: My Counter Challenge!
     I hope you will appreciate my point better when you read my `COUNTER CHALLENGE' below. I will be sending copies of this article to few of my friends so that they can be a witness to my Counter Challenge.

A Counter Challenge: Produce a "Couplet like this"! 

    I have discovered an amazing series of mathematical miracles based on number se7en in a Tamil sacred text called Thirukkural (100-300 A.D.). To know more about Thirukkural, please visit these sites  to view this famous work in Tamil ( , * ) and these sitesfor good English translations of the same (* , *). The verses in Thirukkural are in the form of couplets (poetry of just 2 lines) with 4 metrical feet in the first line and 3 metrical feet in the second (4+3=7). The results of my research will appear on the Net by January 2001, coinciding with the birth anniversary of Thiruvalluvar (the author of the work Thirukkural). 
    Here I challenge you to produce a verse of this nature in any language. The conditions listed below are based on my findings in the very first verse in Thirukkural from Chapter 1 "Prayer" or "Praise of God".

          All alphabets begin with letter-A;  
          So does the Universe with primordial God.  
          akara muthala ezuthu ellaam aathi 
          pagavan mutharrae ulagu.

Fact 1. The verse should be a couplet (a couplet is a verse in two short lines) with even number of words (preferably 8), but containing se7en root words. (i.e. one of these 7 root words occurs twice).
Fact 2. It should contain these 3 key words: "God, World & Alphabet".
Fact 3. The first two words should be composed of se7en letters and the last two words should also contain se7en letters.
Fact 4. The first and last words of this verse together should also contain se7en letters.
Fact 5. The total number of letters in the couplet (either in contracted or split form) should be divisible by se7en. [
If the couplet is a combination of contracted words, it could be split into individual meaningful words. For example, the words BISMI in the Bismilla verse can be split into BI (meaning "In") and ISM (meaning "Name")! (Usually, the number of letters increase when contracted words are split).]
Fact 6. The Numerical Values of all the letters of the verse in contracted form should add up to a figure which is divisible by se7en.
Fact 7. Similarly, the Numerical Values of all the letters of the verse in split form should also add up to a figure which is divisible by se7en.
Fact 8. The sum of Numerical Values of the first and last letters of every word (preferably 8 words) should also produce a total which is divisible by se7en
Fact 9. The number of letters in every alternate word, i.e. words at odd positions (1,3,5,7) should add up to a total which is divisible by se7en

Fact 10. The sum of Numerical Values of these words at odd positions should also be divisible by se7en.
Fact 11. Similarly, the number of letters of words at even positions (2,4,6,8) should also add up to a total which is divisible by se7en
Fact 12. So also the sum of Numerical Values of these words at even positions be divisible by se7en.
Fact 13. The sum of Numerical Values of the two middle words (4th & 5th) should also be divisible by se7en.
Fact 14. The Numerical Values of the three key words "
God, World & Alphabet" should also have a combined Numerical Value divisible by se7en.
Fact 15. Two of the 8 words in the first couplet (one is God), have never been used anywhere in Thirukkural. The sum of their Numerical Values is divisible by 7. So I expect two of the 8 words (one must be God) to have a combined Numerical Value which is divisible by se7en.
Fact 16. Two of the remaining 6 words (one is
Alphabet) occur only once outside this first couplet in Thirukkural. Their Numerical Values also add up to a total which is divisible by 7. So I expect the sum of Numerical Values of two of the remaining 6 words (one should be Word) also to be divisible by se7en.
Fact 17. Two of the remaining 4 words (one is World) have been used multiple times in Thirukkural. They occur exactly 56 times each (7x8) in Thirukkural! The sum of their Numerical Values is also divisible by 7.  So I expect the sum of Numerical Values of two of the remaining 4 words (one should be World) also to be divisible by se7en.
Fact 18. The remaining two words (
first) are the only words which occur twice in the couplet. They should together contain exactly se7en words.
Fact 19: Any couplet produced should fit into the Kural without disturbing its following mathematical miracle: i.e. the 7 different root words employed to compose the first verse occur in various forms exactly 133 times (7x19) in the Kural. It thus becomes imperative for those who attempts to produce a couplet of my criteria to not only have the 3 key words
"God, World & Alphabet" in it (underlined) but also the remaining 5 words "First (twice), All, Primordial & Letter-A"! (marked in green).

    The letter-A is the first of all alphabets;   
    So does the primordial God, the first in the World.

(Note: Alternate words for First is Begin, Alphabet is Written/Word, Primordial is Eternal)

As you also insisted, the couplet produced should not only be a masterly composition of great spiritual message, but also grammatically and linguistically correct.

Unique ones
     I hope you would have by now realized that it is impossible to create a couplet of my specifications! This is in spite of the fact that the criteria I have laid down do not demand complicated Insertions or Replacements of Sequence Numbers like yours!
    In spite of their impressive mathematical claims, the sum of Numerical Values of 19 letters in Bismilla (which is 786) and the 28 letters in Genesis (which is 2701) are not divisible by 19 and 7 respectively!!

"Do not put your faith in what statistics say
until you have carefully considered what they do not say"

(William W. Watt)

However, I appreciate and fully understand that Bismilla and Genesis qualify in other aspects, which are unique to them. So also my findings about the first couplet in Thirukkural.


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