ANTI INC:
A)BARBED WIRE #1 - The installed "not forsaking" (Heb 10:25-27) doctrine
of Felix Manalo. This is the
number one barbed wire created by Felix Manalo. According to this doctrine,
all members must not miss
the twice a week worship service or else the forsaker will be consigned
to the lake of fire.
PRO INC:
Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as
the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]:
and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
I see no problem with this verse at all. What is he trying to imply here? His argument on this on is totally null!
ANTI INC:
B)The "not forsaking" command did not come from the apostles but is
only a command of Felix Manalo
created by twisting the Scriptures. If we will start reading the verse
from Verse 24, it will be clear that
there is no command to attend an informal gathering:
C)"24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good
works
25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner
of some, but exhorting one
another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching." - Hebrews
10:24-25 NKJV
PRO INC::
Again, what are his arguments here? It is clear in these verses that
it refers to the Assembly or Gathering or Worship service!
ANTI INC:
What Felix Manalo had done is to hide Verse 24 which is the beginning
of the sentence by not reading it, but starts reading only on Verse 25
onward to Verses 26 & 27 (these two verses belonged to another paragraph)...
PRO INC:
Ill qoute the verses below:
Hbr 10:24
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love
and to good works:
Hbr 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as
the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]:
and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the
knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,...
LIE!! The verses Hebrews 10:24-26 ARE RELATED! Note that verse 24 ends
with a COLON, and not with a period!
See that poeple? The guy is twisting something here.
ANTI INC:
In the true church, there is no mandatory gathering, but there is liberty.
Let's read the teaching of
Apostle Paul:
"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." - 2 Cor 3:17 NKJV
PRO INC:
Wrong! This guy has twisted the verse he qouted. Remember 'taken out
of context'? Yes, he used it on this one.
Allow me to qoute the verses here!
2Cr 3:15
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their
heart.
2Cr 3:16
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall
be taken away.
2Cr 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is],
there [is] liberty.
The topic on these verses is NOT THE ASSEMBLING, but the Law of Moses. You can easily decipher that! Sad, your shallowness is now exposed!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #2 - Use of the willful sinning verse (Heb 10:26-27). Let's read the verse:
"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there no longer remains a
sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment,
and fiery indignation which will devour
the adversaries." -Hebrews 10:26-27 NKJV
In most instances, these verses (belonging to another paragraph) are appended to Heb 10:25
PRO INC:
Lie! The verses Hebrews 10:24-27 are connected, please refer to the qouted verses above
The verses Hevrews10:25,26,27 are under Verse 24! and verses 28 onwards belong to another paragraph. What does he think of us? Idiots?!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #3 - Through the use of Hebrews 10:38 (Drawing Back). Let's read the verse:
"Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul
has no pleasure in him." - Hebrews
10:38 NKJV
Through constant repetition by the Iglesia that members have already
received the true faith, if they
later on draw back, or retreat, or get away from the INC faith, then
God will not be pleased. Of
course, members do not want to displease God, therefore, they will
not draw back or leave the Iglesia
faith or membership in the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
PRO INC:
This guy is obviously innocent. You can tell by the way he argues,
he is already negating himself.
ANTI INC:
What is this phrase, "the just shall live by faith," about? The Iglesia
being not given the mystery does
not know about this. Apostle Paul will shed light on this, let's read:
"We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing
that a man is not justified by
the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed
in Christ Jesus, that we might
be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for
by the works of the law no flesh
shall be justified." - Galatians 2:15-16 NKJV
PRO INC:
Aaaah, FAITH ALONE CONCEPT! This guy is probably one of those protestant
factions around
However, we already know the Epistle of Jude, 'faith without works is dead...'. You cant fool us with that dude!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #4 - The use of Vine and Branches Parable of Jesus Christ. Let's read this verse:
"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me,and I in him,
bears much fruit; for without
Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out
as a branch and is withered,
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
-John 15:5-6 NKJV
Using the verse, the INC minister will conclude: "It is very important
to abide as a branch or member of
the Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo) because if you don't, you
will be cast out and wither and you
will be gathered and thrown into the lake of fire. You can not do anything
to save yourself if you are
outside the Iglesiia Ni Cristo."
TAKE NOTE that it is Jesus Christ who is speaking in the verse, therefore,
the vine is Jesus Christ NOT
the Church of Christ. The Iglesia is a HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY for making
Christ the same as the
Church of Christ. To replace "I am" with "Church of Christ" is clear
perversion of the gospel.
PRO INC:
Is he aware of Colossians 1:18? That the Church and Christ are made
as One?!!! How naive can he get?!!
An innocent being exposing himself ON THE WEB!
ANTI INC:
The connection between Christ and the believers is the words of Christ.
When you abide with the
words of Christ, you are connected as a branch. To supplant INC in
place of Christ is clear
masquerading as Christ.
PRO INC:
As if we are stupid enough to believe that so easily.
Christ said:
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Was it an invisible church then, you are attacking not only INC but a great majority of the 'so called' Christianity?! shame on you!
ANTI INC:
"For false christs and false propherts will rise and show signs and
wonders to deceive, if possible, even
the elect." - Mark 13:22 NKJV
PRO INC:
That refers to your pastor, or you pastor, and the rest of the vicars
of Peter,err... i mean Christ. I dont remember any Great Signs and Wonders
i.e. sun brought down on earth, petals with images, statues bleeding, statues
perspiring, etc... performed by Brother Manalo.
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #5 - The use of 1 Corinthians 5:13 (Outsiders). Let's read the verse:
"But those who are outside God judges. Therefore, "put away from yourselves
the evil person." - 1
Corinthians 5:13 NKJV
The Iglesia brainwashes members that outsiders are non Iglesia while
insiders are Iglesia members.
Therefore, the Iglesia scares all members of sure judgment by God once
they become separated from
the INC.
The verse assumes two groups of people -- those outside (of the world,
1 Cor 5:10) and those inside
(brethren,1Cor 5:11).
PRO INC:
His limited knowledge unfolds further! This isnt worth my time to answer though, its pathetic!
ANTI INC:
Basically, what the verse says is that outsiders or people of the world,
are not
within the jurisdiction of the Saints or believers because it is God
that has the jurisdiction over them.
It is only the brother that the Saints have jurisdiction.
PRO INC:
He destroyed his own argument! :-)
ANTI INC:
"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named
a brother, who is sexually
immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or reviler, or a drunkard, or
an extortioner--not even to eat with
such person." - 1Cor 5:11 NKJV
Did we read in the verse any one who is a forsaker of the worship service,
or someone who did not
vote for the candidate chosen by Apostle Paul,...
PRO INC:
Have you read your bible mister pastor? You know very well that this is not the be all and end all of the apostle's warnings and admonitions aren't you? Or is this just another ploy to make an idiot out of yourself on the web?! I admire you for your courage Couldn't do more
ANTI INC:
or anyone who did not bear fruit of converts, or
anyone who did not give thanksgiving offerings,
PRO INC:
No member of the church ever was kicked by the reasons he typed above ;^) sorry to spoil your fun
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #6 - The use of Ephesians 2:12 (Being Aliens). Let's read:
"that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth
of Israel and strangers
from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the
world." - Eph 2:12 NKJV
The Iglesia minister will elaborate:
"Brethren, before you became Iglesia Ni Cristo members, you were members
of the Catholic or
Protestant churches. You were called aliens. Aliens from the covenants
of promise without any hope of
salvation. Not only that, you were also without God. It does not mean
that there is no God, but, God
does not recognize you as His children. Therefore, if you leave the
church (INC), and go back to your
former religions, you become again aliens without promise and without
hope of salvation."
PRO INC:
HE IS DESTROYING HIS CREDIBILITY AND REASONING ONLINE!
Geez, this is unbelievable! The verses he qouted literally left his
argument in ruins!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #7 - Using Colossians 1:23 (Grounded, Steadfast, Unmovable). Let's read:
"If indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are
not moved away from the hope
of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature
under heaven, of which I, Paul,
became a minister." - Colossians 1:23 NKJV
The Iglesia uses the art of chiding the member's NEGATIVES to prop the
members to do the
POSITIVES. The minister will chide the members:
"BRETHREN, DO WE HAVE A WEAK FAITH? ARE WE EASILY MOVED AWAY BY THE
GOSPEL OF OTHER
RELIGIONS? IF SO, BRETHREN, WE ARE NOT YET GROUNDED AND WE ARE NOT
YET STEADFAST TO THE
TRUE FAITH THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED."
PRO INC:
Incredible! He cannot refute the verses he qouted!
Get outta here! You can do better than that!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #9 - Use of 2 Peter 2:20-22 (Being a Dog or Pig). Let's read:
"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome,
the latter end is worse for them
than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have
known the way of
righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment
delivered to them. But it has
happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his
own vomit," and, a sow, having
washed, to her wallowing in the mire." - 2 Peter 2:20-22 NKJV
This is again the use of the NEGATIVES to prop up the resulting POSITIVES
in the members. The
minister will conclude...
PRO INC:
Incredible! He cannot refute the verses he qouted!
Get outta here! You can do better than that!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #10 - The Iglesia becomes a Christ Impostor using John 6:66-68. Let's read:
"From that time many of his disciples went back and walked with Him
no more. Then Jesus said to the
twelve,"Do you also want to go away?" But Simon Peter answered Him,
"Lord, to whom shall we go?
You have the words of eternal life, "Also we have come to believe and
know that You are the Christ,
the Son of the living God." - John 6:66-68 NKJV
These verses are read in order to emphasize the apostles' attitude to
be followed in reaction to
Christ's asking them if they will go away. The minister will expound
the verses:...
PRO INC:
Christ and the Church is One! Colossians 1:18 One body and One head.
As for the rest of his gibberish above?
This i gotta type!
Incredible! He cannot refute the verses he qouted!
Get outta here! You can do better than that!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #11 - Through use of highly emotional and explosive COACHED
PRAYERS led by the
minister:
"OH GOD! HERE ARE YOUR PEOPLE. WE ARE STANDING IN THY HOLY SIGHT. WE
ARE ASHAMED O LORD
TO FACE YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN UNWORTHY. ...
PRO INC:
Incredible! Hilarious! Preposterous! What are you arriving at with these
foolish sampling of yours?!
Funny man, you remind me of someone i know...
hmmmm... nEVERmind!!!! Nope, ur not Eli, but you
have some similarities!lol.
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #12 - Use of Hebrews 13:17 (Obedience to the church administration). Let's read:
"Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out
for your souls, as those who
must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for
that would be unprofitable for you."
- Hebrews 13:17 NKJV
Through continuous teaching of this doctrine, the Iglesia is able to
perpetrate unquestioning obedience
to Erano and Eduardo Manalo, the Administrators who rule the Iglesia.
PRO INC:
Incredible! He cannot refute the verses he qouted!
Get outta here! You can do better than that!
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE #13 - Use of Hebrews 10:23 (Wavering from faith). Let's read:
"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He
who promised is faithful."
-Hebrews 10:23 NKJV
The Iglesia ministers reminds the members not to waver in their faith
of being an Iglesia Ni Cristo
because only the faithful will receive the promised salvation.
TAKE NOTE that the wavering is about the confession of our hope. The
Iglesia's linking of confessions
of hope to membership in the Iglesia is clear twisting and perversion
of the verse.
PRO INC:
This is getting boring man. Can you do better than this?! Its not challenging anymore ;0(
ANTI INC:
ACTUALLY, the
confession of our hope is about our drawing near to God by means of
Jesus Christ who was appointed
high priest forever by God whom people can approach boldly to obtain
mercy and find grace (Hebrews
4:14-16 NKJV).
PRO INC:
Let me qoute the verses then:
Hbr 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is
passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us
hold fast [our] profession.
Hbr 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched
with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points
tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
Hbr 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace,
that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time
of need.
And what of the Profession or Calling? or being called into the Fold? on verse 14?
What is wrong with you?! You are so disappointing!
This is beginning to irritate me! lol.
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE # 14 - Use of Hebrews 10:36/Matt 24:13 (Need to Endure). Let's read the verses:
"For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will
of God, you may receive the
promise." - Hebrews 10:36 NKJV
"But he who endures to the end shall be saved." - Matthew 24:13 NKJV
After reading the verses, the minister will expound, "Brethren, as the
verses say, we have the need for
endurance. We need to endure until the end. Therefore, we need to remain
as members of the Iglesia
Ni Cristo until the end. There are two ends: the end of the world or
the end of our lives whichever
comes first. We need to endure my brethren because only by enduring
until the end will we attain our
salvation.
The Iglesia has no shame to pervert the Scriptures. The endurance is
not about being member of the
INC, but is about the struggles and sufferings for being made spectacle
by reproaches and tribulations
and plunderings of goods (Heb 10:32-34 NKJV).
PRO INC:
Let me qoute it again:
Hbr 10:33
Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by
reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became
companions of them that were so used.
Hbr 10:34
For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took
joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in
yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an
enduring substance.
I ADDED:
Hbr 10:35
Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath
great recompence of reward.
Clearly, something's gone bad with this person's central nervous system.
Its a shame that he had to expose it on the web ;(
You can see on verse 35 that it has something to do with 'your confidence';
it refers to the calling to the fold.... Aaaaah! This is tiring! Nevertheless,
the detractor probably deserved his blindess at this.
ANTI INC:
BARBED WIRE 15 - Prohibiting separation from the INC church through
forced linking of verses. The
verses used:
"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined
to his wife, and the two shall
become one flesh."
"This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
-Eph 5:31-32
"So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has
joined together, let not man
separate." - Matthew 19:6 NKJV
This is one of the boldest attempt by the Iglesia to stop any member from leaving the church.
PRO INC:
HOW LAME CAN YOU GET?! WHERE ARE HEADED FOR WITH THIS? YOU ARE DESTROYING
YOURSELF ONLINE! lol.
Ok people. i GOT to go, this man is really sick. ;o)