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Jesus in the Talmud

Jesus ,Mary, and Joseph in the Talmud and Hebraica

 

Anyone Seeking historical evidence of Jesus Christ will eventually come upon the rabbinical writings that allegedly refer to him.

Jewish stories containing historical evidence of Jesus are found in rabbinical writings, particularly the Talmud ,Midrash and  "Toldoth Yeshu" [Tale of Yeshu], which is a sort of anti-gospel.  

 

This Page

Toldoth Yeshu

  Judas of Kerioth

  Other Hebrew References

  Censored/Disguised References

  Balaam as Jesus

Non Jewish References

  Panthera Tombstone

  Balaam  as Jesus

  Book of Elxai

  Mandaean and Johanite

  Mehgheehlla Scroll

Mary in The Talmud

  Mary Magdalene

Conclusion

Translations / Etymologies

Footnotes

 

Christian Origins

Historic Jesus

Jesus Barabbas

Jesus- Myth Transference

Jesus in Historical records

Jesus- Insurrection at Gethsemane

The True Identity of St. Paul

Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ

Buddha and Christ

Horus and Christ

Mithra and Christ

Legend of Tammuz

 

 

The Jewish Encyclopedia admits that legends concerning Jesus are found in the Talmud ,Midrash and Toledot Yeshu.  The Talmud stories , written from a medieval Jewish perspective are slanted to show Jesus in a negative light, in the same fashion that the Gospels are written/rewritten with a slant favorable to the Roman Church / The Vatican.

"It is the tendency of all these sources to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to Him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. "   Nesta H. Webster  Secret Societies and Subversive Movements  

 Toldoth Yeshu

In the same fashion that early Christian writings and the Gospel narratives are so overwhelming bogged down in mix and match mythology and Allegory from cults ingested into the Christian fold in its formulative years , the rabbinical writings of Jesus in the Talmud are similarly steeped with a Zionist anti-Christian slant.  Neither the Hebrew or Christian versions represent a neutral historical record of Jesus.

 

Some believe that the Toldoth Yeshu is nothing more than a parody of a lost gospel.  Hugh J. Schonfield argued that it was  closely connected to the now lost Gospel of the Hebrews, a more likely candidate would be the lost book Mar Yesu Toldoth Yeshu is only traceable as far back as the 4th to 5th Century which tends to add weight to the argument that it is a parody or medieval literary device used by the Rabbinic Community to comment on their relationship to and with early Christians.   

That the names Yeshu ,Yeshua, Yehoshua and various similes are Hebrew / Aramaic equivalent of the Greek Ioesus / Jesus are irrefutable [13], no serious scholar denies this . The Toldoth Yeshu translates to the Tale of Jesus or Generations of Yeshu.  There are several slightly varying versions of  the Toldoth Yeshua - The Florence manuscript, The Munich manuscript, The Paris manuscript, The Genizah Manuscript fragments found in Cairo are probably the earliest Jesus in the Talmud stories. [See: The Earliest External Evidence to the Talmud: Jesus Stories ] [Genizah text Toledot Yeshu] .

 

 

 

 


 
  

In  the Toldoth Yeshua, Yeshu ben Pandera was a Jew who went to Egypt, became proficient in their magical arts , returned to Judea, went about healing many people and incurred the hostility of the religious upper echelon -the Sanhedrin.

He was stoned to death at Lud [Al-Lud or Lydda] , and his body was "hanged on a tree" on the eve of Passover.

The Toldoth Yeshua begins with, John of the house of David, getting engaged to Miriam, originally from Bethlehem, the daughter of a neighboring widow. A certain Pandera also had desires for Miriam. On a Sabbath night he came to Miriam during her period ,raped her, and Yeshu was conceived.

Miriam thought Pandera was her husband-to-be and yielded to him after a struggle, greatly astonished at the behavior of her fiancé'. When the real fiancé, John, came she made her anger clear to him. He immediately suspected Pandera and told Rabbi Shimon Ben Shetah of the incident. Miriam became pregnant, and since John knew that the child was not his, but was unable to prove who was guilty he fled to Babylon.

Jesus in Egypt: Discovering the Secrets of Christ's Childhood Years
Yeshu later became a student of Rabbi Joshua Ben-Perachia ,was taken to Egypt where he studied magic. He later returned to Israel and  The story continues with the adult Yeshu stealing the "Shem ha-Mephorash"[6], or the name of God "which must not be pronounced", from the Temple's Holiest of Holies, and utilizing it to perform miracles. 
Yeshu is imprisoned , escapes and flees to Antioch and Egypt to learn more witchcraft. He later returns to Jerusalem ,to steal the secret name of God which he had lost.
 

Judas of Kerioth [8]  informed the leaders of Jerusalem of this and said that he would kneel down before this Yeshu so that they could distinguish him from his disciples, who were dressed in the same colors of clothing. Yeshu was taken captive and sentenced to be hanged on the Friday before Passover.

Judas: The Man from Kerioth
 

 After being buried, a gardener took his body and hid it in a ditch in his Cabbage patch [12]. His disciples failed to find the body in the tomb they told Queen Helen that he had risen from the dead, and so she wished to put to death all the Sages of Israel. Rabbi Tanhuma Bar Abba [5] - [possibly simile to Barabbas], however, found the body, which was then tied to a horse's tail and dragged to where the Queen was. Nevertheless, Yeshu's disciples spread the story of Jesus amongst the Gentiles. These disciples included 12 apostles who were said to be arduous persecutors of the Jews.

Toledoth Yeshu Version of the Toldoth Yeshu dated to the sixth century

 

 

 

 

 

 It is apparent that certain Allegorical elements of this story are literary devices which draw almost as much upon the Christian version of Jesus/Yeshu as they do upon Hebrew lore. 

One entry in particular , "The 12 apostles" is more than likely a later addition to the tale as Yeshu was initially said to have had only 5 disciples.

Stealing the "Shem ha-Mephorash", or the name of God is an allusion to the Christian deification of Jesus/Yeshu.

The Characters mentioned in the Talmud were not all contemporaries of one another. This naturally creates problems reconciling the dates that Yeshu lived with the timeframe that the Gospels claim that Jesus lived. Some claim that the Christian Jesus, and Yeshu the disciple of  Rabbi Joshua Ben-Perachia are too distinct persons.

Rabbi Joshua Ben-Perachia began his Rabbinic career Circa 150 BC

Rabbi Pappas Ben Jehuda  140 BC

Rabbi Tanhuma Bar Abba  Circa 350 AD

Alexander Janneus  106 BC - 79 BC

Rabbi Simon Ben Shetach  Circa 70 BC

Herod the Great 70 BC - 4 BC

 

 

Rabbi Joshua Ben-Perachia

  Rabbi Joshua Ben-Perachia lived several generations, a Century earlier, than the Gospel Jesus. He was dead and buried long before Jesus was even conceived, whether it be immaculately or otherwise.

 The Sanhedrin was lead by two Rabbis, One held the title of Nasi [Prince or President] and the other basically served as Vice President, but more in a Parliamentary form wherein the Vice president was head of the Opposition or served as a sort of Devils advocate.

  1. -Perachia and Nitai of Arbela, served during the reign of John Hyrcan into that of Alexander Janneus.
  2. -Juda b. Tabai and Simon b. Shetach,  served during the reign of Alexander Janneus and Queen Salome.
  3. -Shemaiah and Abtalion, served during the reign of Hyrcan II.
  4. -Hillel and Shamai, served during the reign of King Herod, and during the timeframe that History seems to dictate that Jesus lived .

 That the Toldoth Yeshu lists Ben-Perachia as the teacher/guardian of Yeshu, I believe is either an error echoed and parroted version after version, or a deliberate obfuscation in an attempt to disguise the identity of the principle character -Yeshu.  The original version of the story probably states that Yeshu became a student of the leader of the Sanhedrin [Nasi] , he was a Nasarene.  At the time of Jesus the leader of the Sanhedrin was Hillel.

 The Mehgheehlla Scroll Discovered near Lake Tiberius in 1882 supports this theory . Yeshai and Judas ben Halachmee were the illegitimate twins of a young girl called Stadea. They were taken in, raised and educated by the religious order of Essenes . One of the boys became a student of a Rabbi Hillel , and the other became the leader of the Essenes. The Scroll also states that an elder Essene named Joseph became Yeshai's 'religious father' and guardian.   Further research on Hillel reveals that he was a carpenter. [See Jesus Twins]

 The Mehgheehlla Scroll bears little trace of the later myth transference and religious / political agendas which obscure most texts dealing with Yeshua and is probably the most accurate narrative of Jesus that we have..

 

 



 

Talmud and Rabbinical entries referring to Jesus

Besides the Tol'doth Yeshu, there are several other passages in various sections of the Talmud and  other ancient writings that may contain portions of the Historical Jesus proto-type to whom the God-man legend has attached itself to in the current age.

Babylonia Sanhedrin 43a   "On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu (of Nazareth) and the herald went before him for forty days saying (Yeshu of Nazareth) is going forth to be stoned in that he hath practiced sorcery and beguiled and led astray Israel. Let everyone knowing aught in his defense come and plead for him. But they found naught in his defense and hanged him on the eve of Passover." .Jesus was "hung/crucified" on the eve of Passover as per the Gospel of John.

The Toseft states,  "Once, I was walking on the upper street of Sephoris and found one of the disciples of Yeshu the Nazarene, by the name of Jacob, a man of Kefar Sechanaya. He said to me, "It is written in your Torah: "Thou shalt not hire a harlot, etc." How about making with it a privy for the high priest?" But I did not answer him at all. He told me. Thus did Yeshu the Nazarene teach me: 'For the hire of a harlot has she gathered them, and unto the hire of a harlot shall they return," from the place of filth they come, and unto the place of filth they shall go." And the utterance pleased me.." ." .

II MOED, I Schaboath 104b: The “whore son practiced Egyptian magic by cutting into his flesh”. “ this whore-born son of Pandera.

In the Amoa, written in the late 3rd Century it records "And do you suppose that for Yeshu there was any right of appeal;?  He was a beguiler, and the Merciful One hath said: 'Thou shalt not spare neither shalt thou conceal him,' It is otherwise with Yeshu, for he was near to the civil authority."   - This passage could refer to Yeshu, as well as many other personalities appearing within various parts of the Talmud and related texts

III NASHIM, IV Gittin 57a: “Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in hot semen. Notrim (Nazarenes=Christians) are boiled in shit.”  [In context See Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.]

 

 


 

Corroborating Non Jewish References

Early Christian references

Bingerbrück Panthera Tombstone

Mandaean and Johanite References

Book of Elxai

 

In addition to the Jewish References to Yeshu/Jesus there are many non Jewish sources which draw a portrait of Jesus quite different from the Gospel narratives which can only be traced as far back as the second and third Centuries AD.

 

Pre Gospel Christian writers , having access to the Talmudic and other Hebrew sources which we lack today apparently seized upon this reference to Pandera/Pandaros and having adopted and Westernized it they viewed it as a surname. Pandera [Panthera] appears in several deviant pre-Gospel genealogies of Jesus and Mary ,  as the Grandfather of Jesus.    The fact that early Christian Genealogies, outside the later Gospel Genealogies, attempt to link the personages of Jesus and Pandera as Grandfather and Grandson placing them 2 generations apart , or approximately One Century could very well tie in with the theories placing " Jesus: One Hundred Years Before Christ "

 

1.] Epiphanius  the Bishop of Salamis (315-403) In the 4th century is said to have given a genealogy in which Panthera is mentioned as the grandfather of Jesus. He is also credited with the following statement : "Jesus was the son of a certain Julius whose surname was Panthera.

2.] In the Genealogy of Christ by St. John Damascene -Panthera and the Son of Panthera are mentioned.

"Born then of the line of Nathan, the son of David, Levi begat Melchi and Panther: Panther begat Barpanther, so called. This Barpanther begat Joachim: Joachim begat the holy Mother of God" .--An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith by St. John Damascene  [The prefix "bar" also denotes the "son of " ]

 

   Middle English Legends of Women Saints

3.] "...tellyth how Joachim cam of the kynde of David. For David hadde mani childron, and among alle he hadde on that was callyd Nathan, of the whyche was ther on Levi, and of this Levi was ther on Panther, and of Panther was ther on Barpanther; the wyche Barpanther was Joachymes fadur, and he was fadur to Mary, Cristis modur, ....Mari, scheo bare oure Lorde Jhesu Criste. "

 

 

4.] in On the True Doctrine: A Discourse Against the Christians , anti-Christian philosopher Celsus, claimed in 178 AD that he had "heard from a Jew that Jesus’s mother had been divorced by her carpenter husband, after it had been proved that she was an adulteress. She wandered in shame and bore Jesus in secret. His real father was a soldier named Pantheras, possibly a Moor to judge by the name."

 

5.] The Gospel of John seems to include an accusation of illegitimacy in a debate with Jesus:

41"You are doing the deeds of your father " They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God."    [in Full context see: John 8:37-41]   The insinuation being that Jesus was born of fornication

 

6.] The Acts of Pilate which is included in the Apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus.  After accusing Jesus, in the presence of Pilate, of breaking the law, the Jewish elders also accused Jesus of being a bastard.

"Annas and Caiaphas say to Pilate: “We with all the multitude say that he was born of fornication, and that he is a magician; but these ... disciples.... testified that Jesus was not born of fornication, Lazarus and Asterius, Antonius and James, Annes and Azaras, Samuel and Isaac, Finees and Crispus, Agrippa and Judas.'
 

 

There are many other references which draw from, mirror or corroborate elements of the Toldoth Yeshu and other rabbinical writings these are only a small sampling.

 

 

 

Links

Jesus Outside the New Testament

 

Bingerbrück Panthera Tombstone

"The existence of a Roman soldier Panthera was confirmed by the discovery of a tombstone at Bingerbrück in Germany. The engraving  reads: "Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera,  an archer, native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9AD was transferred to service in Rhineland" note that The name Panthera was  a common name in the first two centuries [cf. L. Patterson, "Origin of the Name Panthera", JTS 19 (1917-18)"

A tombstone discovered during railroad construction in Bingerbrück, Germany bears the following inscription:

Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera, an archer [11], native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9AD was transferred to service in Rhineland ....

Jesus the Magician By Morton Smith

 

 The link between the Talmudic Panthera/Pandira/Pandera and Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera was suggested in a 1966 book La vita di Gesù. The lifeframe presented on the tombstone would place Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera in Palestine as a young man at the time of Jesus' conception.

 There a two problems with the tombstone inscription

1.]  "9 AD" The A.D. denoting the Latin "ano domini"  or 9 CE as is now fashionable to say the "Common Era" or "Christian era"

The use of these terms did not begin until Pope Gregory XIII  [January 7, 1502 – April 10, 1585]  instituted the Gregorian Calendar.

 

2.] The term "Rhineland" is not believed to have been in use at the time the tombstone allegedly hails from.
 

 

 

Mandaean and Johanite References to Jesus

Mandaean Book of Adam

Jesus was the son of a devil, a perverter of the true doctrine, who disseminated iniquity and perfidy over the whole world.

 

The Mandaeans: Ancient Texts and Modern People  The Mandaean Book of John which predates and was incorporated into the modern “Gospel of St. John” used by Templar and Johanite Masonry. The Templars believed that Jesus was the Thief on the Cross pardoned by God; after his side was pierced, he repented his claim to being the “King of the Jews” and God forgave him.

Jesus was the disciple of the Devil, who fooled John the Baptist. The “liar” Jesus tricked John into baptizing him by use of a satanic ruse that seemed to come from heaven. “Yahya (John) baptized the liar in the Jordan”, he baptized “the false prophet Yishu Meshiha (Jesus the Messiah), son of the devil Ruha Kadishta.”

(sidrad ‘Yahya): {Jews of Mesopotamia; the Nasonians, Sabaens, Subbi, or Johanits who practice water-baptism and venerate John the Baptist.}

 

Mar Yesu and the Book of Elxai  [Elchasai]

The Book of Elxai

By G R S Mead

In 1415, the Roman Church ordered destroyed all copies of two second-century Jewish books that it said contained "the true name of Jesus Christ". Singled out for destruction was a secret Latin treatise called Mar Yesu, and all copies of the Book of Elxai.

 

Mar Yesu is believed to have been a simile of the Tol'doth Yeshu

 

No editions of these writings are known to presently exist, but Church archives recorded that they were once in popular circulation . Knowledge of these writings survived from quotations made by Bishop Hippolytus of Rome (176-236) and St Epiphanius of Salamis (315-403), along with references in some early editions of the Talmud of Palestine and of Babylonia. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts in high esteem, for they were comprehensive original records of the Historical Jesus.

See:

Elxai -Apostles & Prophets of the Great Life    Elcesaites- Wikipedia

 


 

Censored and Disguised Talmud entries

 

Morris Goldstein, former Professor of Old and New Testament Literature at the Pacific School of Religion, relates:

"In 1631 the Jewish Assembly of Elders in Poland declared: ‘We enjoin you under the threat of the great ban to publish in no new edition of the Mishnah or the Gemara anything that refers to Jesus of Nazareth... If you will not diligently heed this letter, but run counter thereto and continue to publish our books in the same manner as heretofore, you might bring over us and yourselves still greater sufferings than in previous times."

At first, deleted portions of words in printed Talmud's were indicated by small circles or blank spaces but, in time, these too were forbidden by the censors. He was at many instances referred to as "Such-an-one"

 

  ** See Also Balaam  as Jesus


 

Balaam  as Jesus

  

The Talmud Balaam Jesus Stories Some scholars have argued that Balaam is a Talmudic euphemism for Jesus. However, not all Talmudic passages mentioning Balaam refer to Jesus .

 

Balaam is actually a mysterious character from the Old Testament Book of Numbers [Numbers 22]  whom possessed unusual powers, but was answerable to God, the same God of the Israelites although he was not an Israelite.

 

From Balaam to Jonah: Anti-prophetic Satire in the Hebrew Bible Talmudic entries referring to Jesus have the tendency to present Jesus and his family and followers in a negative fashion by ascribing to them/him undesirable and unrespectable traits. The traits ascribed to Balaam in the Talmud and Old Testament generally do not follow this pattern. 

 Balaam held a highly exalted position among the Gentiles, as much as that of Moses among the Jews.

The Talmud states that when the Law was given to Israel, a mighty voice shook the foundations of the earth, so much so that all the World trembled. In their fear and confusion the Kings of the World turned to Balaam, inquiring whether this  portended a second deluge, the prophet assured them that what they heard was Gods voice giving the sacred law to the Israelites (Talmud, Zeb. 116a).
 

The pseudonym Balaam is believed by some to denote Jesus

Sanhedrin 106a R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer.  Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."

Rav Papa adds a parable : "Consider a woman who is married to a powerful ruler who leads their people out into battle. She is used to being the wife of someone strong, whose powerful hands can skillfully manipulate a sword and overcome any opponents. If her husband were to die she would still want to marry someone in a similar position of leadership and strength. Even if this widow is continually passed over by those she wishes to marry, she will still strive for her former glory, and will even marry a carpenter who, while not leading his countrymen out into battle, still must skillfully handle tools. Even when the ability to reach her old glory is obviously absent, she will still try everything possible to reach any position that remotely resembles it."


Sanhedrin 106b  A sectarian said to R. Chanina: Do you know how old Balaam was? [R. Chanina] replied: It is not written. However, since it says (Psalms 55:24) "Men of bloodshed and deceit will not live out half their days..." he was 33 or 34. [The heretic] said: You said well. I have seen the chronicle of Balaam and it said "At 33 years Balaam the lame was killed by Pinchas (Phineas) the robber."  [Pinchas [phineas] is believed to denote Pontius Pilate]


Talmud Gittin 56b-57a [Onkelos Bar Kalonikus] called up Balaam from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Balaam] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Balaam] replied: (Deut. 23:7) "You shall not seek their peace or welfare all your days." [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Balaam answered]: In boiling semen.
[Onkelos] called up Yeshu from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Yeshu] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Yeshu] replied: Seek their good. Do not seek their bad. Whoever touches them is as if he touched the pupil of his eye. [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Yeshu answered]: In boiling excrement. As the mast said: Whoever mocks the words of the sages in punished in boiling excrement.


Balaam is raised from the dead and being punished in boiling hot semen. Those who mock the words of the Jewish sages and sin against Israel are boiled in hot excrement. Simon, M. Trans. (1936). 57a Gittin. London. Soncino Press.

 

"...As Balaam the magician and, according to the derivation of his name, "destroyer of the people," was from both of these points of view a good prototype of Jesus, the latter was also called "Balaam."  Jewish Encyclopedia

Balaam - Wikipedia     The Talmud and Bible
 


 

 

Mary in the Talmud

 

Ben Stada

Mary Magdalen

Mehgheehlla Scroll and the Halachmee twins

The Talmud Ben Stada Jesus Stories

Another figure mentioned in the Talmud is Yeshu "Ben-Stada" , possibly the same person as Ben Pandera. Yeshu ben Stada was the illegitimate son of a woman originally named Miriam bat Bilgah who committed adultery with a Roman soldier. The name "Stada" in Aramaic comes from "Sta Da" - "she deviated."   Many believe that Stada was the Historical Mary, the mother of Jesus/Yeshu.

"Also referred to as ben Sotera or ben Sitera. Which may be the Hebrew-Aramaic form of the Greek name Soteros. The forms "Sitera" and "Stada" seem have arisen as misreading and spelling mistakes (yod replacing vav and dalet replacing reish). Since there was so little information concerning ben Stada, many conjectures arose as to who he was. "

"...the Toledot Yeshua relates with the most indecent details that Miriam, a hairdresser of Bethlehem, affianced to a young man named Jochanan, was seduced by a libertine, Joseph Panther or Pandira, and gave birth to a son whom she named Johosuah or Jeschu. According to the Talmudic authors of the Sota and the Sanhedrim, Jeschu was taken during his boyhood to Egypt, where he was initiated into the secrets doctrines of the priests, and on his return to Palestine gave himself up to the practice of magic.  The Toledot Yeshua, however, goes on to say that on reaching manhood, Jeschu learnt the secret of his illegitimacy, on account of which he was driven out of the Synagogue and took refuge for a time in Galilee." (treatise Sabbath, folio 104, treatise Sanhedrim, folio 107, and Sota, folio 47).

 

In addition to being described as "stada" - [She who deviated] Sanhedrin 106a states  "She who was the descendant of princes and governors and played the harlot with carpenters."

According to the Jewish Tractate of Talmud, the Chagigah a certain person had a dream in which he saw the punishment of the damned. In the dream,  "He saw Mary the daughter of Heli amongst the shades..." John Lightfoot, Commentary On the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica

 

 

 

Mary Magdalen

Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.  "the hairdresser" translates to Megaddela  which some have compared to Magdalene .  [Also In the Talmud, Magdala is a town called by its Aramaic name, Migdal Nunaiya (Pes. 46a). meaning  "Tower of Fish." which reflected the basic commerce of the town, not necessarily a ref. to "fishers of men" etc.. ]

From the Catholic Encyclopedia :   "Mary Magdalen was so called either from Magdala near Tiberias, on the west shore of Galilee, or possibly from a Talmudic expression meaning "curling women's hair," which the Talmud explains as of an adulteress. "

So here we have two possible Talmudic simile's to Mary Magdalene as the mother of Jesus, whom Christian tradition does not teach was the Mother of Jesus. Although Christian tradition does not teach that Mary Magdalene was the mother of Jesus, many devout Christian scholars have speculated on the topic . Once again from the Catholic Encyclopedia - New Advent: 

The Greek Fathers, as a whole, distinguish the three persons:

the "sinner" of Luke 7:36-50;
the sister of Martha and Lazarus, Luke 10:38-42 and John 11; and Mary Magdalen.
On the other hand
most of the Latins hold that these three were one and the same. Protestant critics, however, believe there were two, if not three, distinct persons. It is impossible to demonstrate the identity of the three;"

 

 

Conclusion

  Despite the irreconcilable conflict of dates there are undeniable parallels in the Talmudic Jesus and the Christian Jesus.  His mother is Mary [Miriam] , he had a stay in Egypt to avoid persecution,, he was of Davidic descent, he performed miracles [Magic], he was excommunicated by the Sanhedrin, he was executed on the eve of Passover.

 

 The accepted timeframe given by Rome for the existence of Jesus Christ was parallel with the Birth of Apollonius of Tyanna, it was also parallel with the Birth and presumed Death of a certain member of Hebrew Royalty, a claimant to the Title "king of the Jews" .

 

 During the timeframe Jesus is said to have lived, there was a family of Noble descent, both Davidic and otherwise who are actually represented within the Christian Gospels, generally under varying similes and pseudonyms.  They were a branch of the Herod family that bore a Davidic bloodline as well, the desposyni . The Matriarch of said family was Miriam [Mary] who was later exiled to the south of France.....

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Translations and Etymologies

Pandera  [As in Yeshu Ben Pandera], The prefix "Ben" denotes  "The son of ".   Son of could denote 

  1.  The actual genealogical son of a certain person, -or-

  2. "Ben"  could also denote a descriptive accolade of a person such as in plural form- the "Sons of Italy" or in the feminine tense [bar] the "Daughters of the American Revolution".  As well as describing a particular relevant trait about a person , such as the son of a bitch or son of a gun.

     

 There are several variant interpretations as to the meaning of the word Pandera .  Given the context in which it is utilized,  it is my opinion that Pandera  is used as a descriptive accolade denoting Yeshu as a traitor to the Hebrew people.

 

 Robert Eisler has suggested that Pandera is a generic name for a betrayer. He argues that in the Iliad, Pandaros betrays the Greeks by breaking an armistice confirmed by sacred oath. His name was used as a generic term for a betrayer similar to the use of the names Judas, Brutus and Benedict Arnold .

 

 

footnotes

1Niddah (Hebrew-English Babylonian Talmud) also known as Ma'se Talui, roughly translated as 'The Acts of the Crucified

2 St John Damascene. Born at Damascus, about 676; died some time between 754 and 787

3 [This semen anecdote relates also to Balaam an Old Testament character but is also a possible codified rabbinical allusion to Jesus]

 

4 Queen Helen :

  1. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus relates the conversion of Queen Helene of Adiabene to Judaism in the 1st cent. C.E.. for further data on this person see http://www.christianorigins.com/mead/ch16.html
  2. The Talmud has a passage which says that in the early days "the rule of all Israel was in the hand of a woman, who was called Helene."
  3. Some Christian Scholars speculate that the Queen Helen of the Talmud actually refers to The Mother of Emperor Constantine

 

5 Tanhuma bar Abba, one of the most prolific writers in Jewish literature, he lived in the fourth century C.E. and was active around 350-375 AD

 

6 Shem ha-Mephorash -

  • An epithet of the 72 letter name of God derived from the book of Exodus by medieval kabbalists. The name is believed to be 'missing' from the time of the destruction of the Temple in the first century. Before that, various claimants on the title of the Hebrew Messiah (including Jesus ) claimed knowledge of it.

    The name is drawn from Exodus by arranging 3 verses of Exodus  containing 72 letters each to arrive at the 72 three-letter 'names of God.' The number 72 was significant to the kabbalists because it was the sum value of the name YHVH when arranged in a tetraktys. Curiously, several of the names derived are names of God in other cultures.

8  Judas, from Kerioth {Judas Iscariot - Heb. "a man of Kerioth =Ish Kerioth , Kerioth is a city of Judah (Joshua 15:25).  Judas from Kerioth translates to Judas Ishkerioth -Judas of Kerioth being a simile of Judas Iscariot }  ,offered to betray Yeshu to the powers that be, and he also stole the "unpronounceable name" and performed miracles. A version contained in an Aramaic fragment from Cairo says that Yeshu and Judas "flew in the air". Judas flew higher than Yeshu and made him fall by "polluting him with his semen, at which both became unclean and fell to the ground"., who led Israel into immorality and whose punishment, according to the Talmud, was that "he was sentenced to be cast into a cauldron of boiling semen". }
 

9  Numbers 1-25 1 While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immorality with Moabite women, 2 who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate and bowed down before these gods. 3 So Israel joined in worshiping the Baal of Peor. And the LORD's anger burned against them.
4 The LORD said to Moses, "Take all the leaders of these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the LORD, so that the LORD's fierce anger may turn away from Israel."  5 So Moses said to Israel's judges, "Each of you must put to death those of your men who have joined in worshiping the Baal of Peor."
 

10. Two compilations of the Talmud exist: the Palestinian Talmud, sometimes called the , and the . The contents of the Palestinian Talmud were written by Palestinian scholars between the 3rd century AD and the beginning of the 5th century; those of the Babylonian Talmud, by scholars who wrote between the 3rd century and the beginning of the 6th century. The Talmud, from which the Tol'doth Yeshu is drawn, is a collection of Jewish civil and religious law, including rabbinical commentaries .
 

11.  Pandaros (Pandarus), one of the most distinguished archers of the Trojans, originally from the Ida mountain, to whom Apollo had given a bow (Homer).  Pandera ... ben Pandera.  Pandera is used as a descriptive accolade denoting Yeshu as a traitor to the Hebrew people.


12.
  The Book Of John mirrors elements of Jesus of the Talmud in relation to the Garden Burial.

John 19:41-42  At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

John 20:14-16  "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"  Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him."

Also Cited as a possible origin of the Cabbage Patch Myth as young Children are often told that Babies come from the Cabbage patch in varying Western societies . Relevant to resurrection and rebirth.

 

 

13  In Greek, "Jesus" was  "Ioesus" there was no "J" in Greek or Latin languages. The "J" was  introduced in  the 2nd millennium when Germanic and Anglo cultures influenced the translations.  "Jesus" [Yeshu] is derived from the Greek Ιησους [Iēsoûs] found in the Greek text of the Gospels, and is assumed to be translated from Aramaic or Hebrew (Yeshu, Yehoshua ,Yeshua other Alternative spellings/translations include Jehoshua, Jeshu). The Greek to English equivalent would be Joshua. The Greek is a Hellenized form of the Aramaic name Yeshua (ישוע), a short form of Hebrew Yehoshua (יהושע). Christian Arabs to this day refer to Jesus as "Yasu' al-Masih"   [Yeshu - Interpretations of the name]   "Christ" is a theological title, from the Greek Χριστός [Christos], in the Hebrew Mashiach (משיח), meaning "the anointed one", referring to the belief that Jesus was the Messiah.
 

 

 


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