Session Start: Tue Jan 30 19:33:25 2001 *** Now talking in #nc-rst *** ChanServ sets mode: +nt *** ChanServ changes topic to 'NC RST Discussion Group (Used to discuss story, approvals, and other things not related to the rules) - For official clarifications and rules, contact the RST at ncrst@camarilla.org - Office Hours (Usually every Tuesday 8pm - 10pm CST: 30-Jan-2001, 5-Feb-2001)' *** soze has joined #nc-rst <<< snip >>> that should be ok The task of a domain officer has a differant perspective than a chapter office - basically, it's the first line of managers. A chapter can and is encouraged to have a directed viewpoint. A domain has to balance all of the views within it. Let me know if this is getting too much or something... IRC has a tendancy to lack a lot of body language. ... people make up for the lack of body language with some sillieness. Such as... * busybody_ooc slaps soze around a bit with a large trout ok I understand looks for his own trout One moment... -> [soze] VERSION You're using MIRC (that was from me.) I agree, and Peter is going to bring in some good ideas and Alisen is going to be extra crafty *** Reverend_ has joined #nc-rst *** Reverend_ is now known as Rev_OOC Right click my name and select "slap" Hi, Lloyd! * soze slaps busybody_ooc around a bit with a large trout funny I'm doing some simple explanations of IRC and the like... You can prefix a message with /me and it'll come out in that purple. Example: * busybody_ooc nods to himself. Hey, howdy... You forgot to mention the One True Client in your email, Brian. ircII * busybody_ooc shrugs. "I don't do much with IRC, sorry. I grew up with fidonet and that ilk." (of course, most of what you're talking about doesn't show up in ircII -- it doesn't support colors, for instance.) I'm joking, actually -- I hate ircII but I'm using my Unix shell at the moment, so it's all I have. Question: When do we find out a> what the OOC schedule is for NCRE and b> what the IC place/time/event is for all venues? Rick and I (Rick meet Lloyd, Lloyd meet Rick) are both using mIRC, so I'm showing him a few shortcuts. The thing to remember is that most can be done with text commands, but the menu isn't too bad. Avoid the menu. Use the command line. The OOC schedule is pretty set. I can post the beta of the gaming schedule here if you're patient. That'd be great. coolness I just have to arrange travel stuff I'll be there First try, simple cut and paste (I think it's going to look messed up.) Friday 10am-4pm Dealer room & IC/OOC Registration noon-12:30 Opening Ceremonies 12:30-4pm Changeling Primary 6pm-10pm Sabbat Primary 10pm-late Cam-Anarch Secondary Saturday 10am-4pm Dealer room & IC/OOC registration noon-4pm Garou Primary & Changeling secondary 6pm-10pm Cam-anarch Primary 10pm-late Sabbat secondary Sunday noon Garou Secondary 4pm Closing Ceremonies Wow. That looked better than I thought. CA shuts down at 10? Cool, that allows plenty of time for the main thing I want to do in Denver: RHPS at the Esquire! We're working with the hotel and have contingiency plans on contingiency plans for stuff. The schedule revolves around 10pm for that reason. Who's up for RHPS? (IC even if you like -- my Tremere is going IC most likely) KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS A FINAL BETA SCHEDULE. THE COORDINATORS MAY CHANGE IT. RHPS? But they'll have to go thru me first The Rocky Horror Picture Show. If you don't go see it, I may belt you around the mouth.... or mouth you around the belt. (from an old radio ad) ohhh ok, never actually heard it abbrv. The IC location for Cam Anarch is the same as the OOC location. Typically that matches up with one of the venues and the other venues are elsewhere. I am likely not to make it myself for RHPS. Love to, but not when I'm doing doing stuff, y'know. I understand. I'm a huge RHPS fan, though... It changed my life. *** bbstmoc has joined #nc-rst 'Allo! Bryan, right? *** Tyler_OOC has joined #nc-rst yup Hi, Tyler! how do? One question that I keep getting conflicting answers on and I can't seem to find it in 5.1: New Thaum Rituals -- RST or NST approval? The idea here is to provide a venue for informal questions and the like... Such as Rev's... New mechanics requires the NST to approve and THEN set an approval level which could be any level. Hey Brian Rev needs to get off the computer soon -- he's at work and shouldn't tie up the line. kill the tremere...er ummmm I mean never mind The place for the new mechanics rules are in Prime, chapter 3 Cute... So, what do you put the odds at for getting any new rituals approved by Wade? From what I see on the Tremere list, he must've given out a bunch in other regions. which brings up the point of what needs approval and by whom list Most of the odd rituals you've seen are from 5.0 approvals and by RST's. So far, none have been done under 5.1. After Mage 5.1, after Gaoru 5.1 and after MET V:ST Guide, then conversions from tabletop. Then... And should I use the database for my Thaum ritual app? Rick - could you expand on the "by whom list"? Yes - use the approvals database/website for that. so by the year 3001 they should have this all figured out? I gots go go, all... I'll be back on in about an hour or a little more. Bye! *** Rev_OOC Quit (Quit: Leaving) Bye... *** ChipmuckCannuckooc has joined #nc-rst list for things that are not mentioned in 5.1 merrits ect. 'Allo, Mike! I've got a textfile of merits not in 5.x * ChipmuckCannuckooc waves and sits quietly listening Ditto for flaws and the like. Most of the characters that are in play right now should have already been converted over and gone through that. Hmm. I could try cutting and pasting that list (but it's a bit long.) Rick - do you have any questions with the website and stuff? not yet, I haven't checked it yet Found the textfile of merits and flaws. Anybody mind if I cut and paste it here? (This is a list of merits and flaws not in 5.x) nope Nope shoot Ability Aptitude +2 -> +1 Absent-Minded (lost) Allergic (lost) Baby Face -> Blush of Health Bad Sight -2 -> -1 Beserker (lost) Blase (from Toreador/Daughter-only -> DST & Toreador-only) Boon +1..+3 -> Prestation Gift +2..+6 Can't Cross Running Water -2 -> -3 Clan Enmity (lost) Clan Friendship (lost) Code of Honor +1 -> +2 Compulsion (lost) Confused (lost) Danger Sense (lost) Deaf -3 -> -4 Destiny -> not allowed Diabolic Sire (lost) (recommend Infamous Sire) Double-Jointed (lost) Driving Goal (lost) Faerie Affinity (lost) Guardian Angel (lost) Hatred (lost) Higher Purpose (lost) Illiterate (lost) Inoffensive to Animals (lost, but see LotN:CG) Insane Sire (lost) (recommend Infamous Sire) Intolerance (lost) Jack of All Trades (lost) Low Self-Image (lost) Magic Susceptibility (lost) Metamorph +3 CST->Gift of Proteus +3 RST Metamorph +5 CST->Gift of Proteus +3 RST Notoriety (lost) Occult Library (lost) One Arm (lost) Overconfident (lost) Paraplegic (lost) Pawn (lost) Phobia - Mild (lost) Phobia, Severe -3 -> Phobia -2 Pitiable (lost) Reputation (lost) Selective Digestion (lost) True Love +1 -> +4 Twisted Upbringing (lost) Vengeance -> Vengeful Wyrm Tainted (lost) ... Some of those aren't lost, but change. This is still a 5.0 list, but it's pretty easy to see what it means under 5.1 * busybody_ooc ponders is "Notoriety" actually lost as well? * busybody_ooc mutters "Drat." * busybody_ooc wonders if he's driven his fellow channel members insane or not... I've got a list of rituals lost, but I'll spare you the torture. Please note that the above list is for vampire... I'll be glad to email anybody who wants a copy. *** Sander_LK has joined #nc-rst 'Allo, Travis! Hi brian Got any questions? Is there somewhere Brian where you could find a converted merits and flaws...combo powers...ect....from otehr regions...so a person that wanted one could use that instead of converting themselves? Converted from TT books that is. Someone is already on that. Ree - who is the ANST Admin - is compiling such a list. She's been going to all of the region's site and looking. This isn't a strict ST question but who is the ARC solitary chapters? Last time I checked that position was vacant, so it defaults to the RC. some of the clan webpages list stuff like that also... like the Lasombra homepage lists Merits/Flaws/Combos What the ANST admin is going to do with the list (i.e. publish it someplace) is another topic. I think they are going to regularize all of them under 5.1 (no big deal with anything in play, you see.) * ChipmuckCannuckooc nods, Yup Brian ok thanks Ravnos list I believe is working on the merits and flaws as well Is there a ETA on the sanctioning of the remaining clanbooks? It was supposed to be a month to two months after the release of the book. I think that Mage 5.1 will be out first. Followed by other stuff. I haven't heard an actual date yet. I can speculate if you'd like *** soze Quit (Ping timeout) go for it Mage 5.1? is there really a demand for that? in Wichita everyone just kinda looks around at each other trying to figure out what to do with a Mage... WW should be realising LoA in early Feb. Mage 5.1 in late February. * busybody_ooc is paused answering the phone. I personally dont like Mage. Never got into it LoA??? Laws of Antideluvians? :) * busybody_ooc notes that Kansas City seems really psyched up about running Mage 5.1 Laws of Ascenscion...Mage Larp dont even say that Tyler er BBSTMOC LOL Problem with our domain is finding time to have another game standard problem, i think Here's my question Brian. I have two players who are spending influences and taking the time to get two authentic Japanese Katana's. One is willing to send it up for RST approval using the stats from Laws of the East. Is that a viable approval? * busybody_ooc is wrapping up the phone call. So who is everyone here? Bryan Blalack of Wichita, KS, chapter Masque of Corruption Travis Page DST Shadowed Peaks Colorado Springs CO * busybody_ooc phone call is over! ::insert cheering sound:: *** Stu_the_tribeless has joined #nc-rst Tyler Bryan ARST Gl Region.... FIFO queue on the questions... Hi, Shawneese! hello all FIFO? I am thinking Garou 5.1 maybe April. Last clanbook published by WW early May, clanbook updated in late May. *** Stu_the_tribeless is now known as shawnesse FirstInFirstOut. ahh * busybody_ooc notes that food is here. IRC and food whatta combo... your silly brian Yeah food. * bbstmoc thinks the RST has been distracted by outside influences brian one of the other players on irc was have what tribe their purebreed is from does this need to be done and how is this determined? Katanas - yeah, that would take an application for High approval, but I would really want to see why and the story and I'm disinclined. I'm all for a katana which has been authtenticed and is worth a bit and has a history and just is ran as a broadsword. * bbstmoc note to self... food equals RST-buy-off i have tried that bbstmoc * busybody_ooc appends to note (only if wife brings it .) * bbstmoc scratching out note to self Travis - want to give an opinion on the pure breed stuff? *** Disconnected Session Close: Tue Jan 30 21:05:34 2001 Session Start: Tue Jan 30 21:05:38 2001 *** Now talking in #nc-rst *** Topic is 'NC RST Discussion Group (Used to discuss story, approvals, and other things not related to the rules) - For official clarifications and rules, contact the RST at ncrst@camarilla.org - Office Hours (Usually every Tuesday 8pm - 10pm CST: 30-Jan-2001, 5-Feb-2001)' *** Set by ncrst on Mon Jan 29 12:31:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Rawlins *** busybody_ooc Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) (from the players) Any particular reason why the stats for Katanas require such approval, "a great sword is just as bad" (replying with what the players asked) +3 traits, no negatives and a base 3 damage? ah *** Rawlins is now known as busybody_ooc that's what I thought Unless there is a really really solid story and reason, I am more likely to suggest "as broadsword in Prime". I am more than willing to register a real ungodly early century rare work of art as a katana. *** soze has joined #nc-rst what levels of influence would you recomend to try and get one of the "real ungodly early century rare work of art as a katana Hey, Rick! im back one hell of a story You could do the cash thing to purchase it in an auction and cover the financial tracks with some financial influence. You could use some burearcracy to have one confiscated from a collector who for some strange reason didn't have the proper license. You could use... (the list goes on and on and on...) I mean levels since it would be gotten from Japan if the player is going to try, I am going ot make it difficult I figure at least level 7 * bbstmoc chokes on something A lot of katanas were looted, y'know. If you want to deal with Japan, I'll point you at the VPST office people Japan?? that would be great thanks brian * Sander_LK notes that this can turn into an intesting little storyline that would make an interesting storyline Hey - summarize the storyline. Might be interesting to do a redux on it... now? mach snell *** Tyler_Bowen has joined #nc-rst ok basics Evening everyone... Hi, Tyler! trouble Hey Brian... hello tyler Vincent Tortelli, who is currently seeking to become an Archon, (has established communication with James Wu) is becoming very interested in certain antiques, and weapons. He has asked Several IC weaponsmiths about purchasing a Real Katana Hey Shawnesse hmmm would one of those weaponsmiths be Sander? * busybody_ooc notes "For next time, I'm going to take topic suggestions on email (or perhaps early in the office hours). Sometimes the focues is good." He is using the money left to him by Tarl Bristol to fund research into them. That's it so far HAve I missed anything interesting? Katana's Leaving the storyline for a moment (considers auctions and the like...) a lot of weapons can be defaulted back to something in prime. Qatar as a knife, scimatar as a fencing rapier or broadsword for example. Flavor, but normal approval weapons. * busybody_ooc decides to adverise website, http://go.to/ncrst is much easier to remember than http://dppw.tamu.edu/camarilla/chapters/NC/RST/ Katanas should mostly be defaulting to broadswords. I'd be happy to suggest a piece of art which happens to be katana. Made by weaponmaster so-and-so in the early part of 18th century near such-and-such town. Neat flavor, but standard mechanics as in Prime. Probably worth a mint as well - using it would probably lessen it's value and don't give it to a Brujah... CRACK vincent is a brujah *** shawnesse is now known as Vonscheihagen *** T_Bowen has joined #nc-rst * busybody_ooc keeps hearing swords breaking 'Allo, Dave! * Sander_LK nods Hey dave Hey... I hate the phone lines up here!!! Ha ha Cable modems a possibility? (and quickly dodges divergent topics .) We've got new venues starting in some areas - Lincoln ran it's first changeling game I understand last weekend... *** Tyler_Bowen Quit (Ping timeout) has anyone come across having someone from out of town have influence in their city? yes * busybody_ooc waves by to Dave. Sure did. Went fairly well. Players enjoyed themselves and were very eager. It was listed as DST approval in 5.0. I can't recall what in 5.1 (and I think that changed.) Dave is still here I just wanted to know if it is going smoothly * busybody_ooc starts to see double and then just gets an insane grin. hehe We are used to seeing that from you Brian... I knew you were insane It is going well, ther is only one, and it is minor levels no he is not insane he is brian ::perusing 5.1:: It looks like normal approval, but I would say it definitely was both local and remote CST approval to get influences like that. to-may-toe... to-ma-toe cool, I have some inquiries to omaha and my character actually wants to do it in Lincoln Thats the problem with making influnces City specific. I undestand the focus on vampires being city specific. The other venues haven't been as influence heavy (exlucding the natural of glasswalkers in the garou venue.) I think it is good, especialy for police influence *** repoman has joined #NC-RST *** repoman is now known as Reverend_ 'Allo, Lloyd! I agree with Rick. Some local things can't be that easy to screw with. I've noticed some ST's basing their character in nearby chapters (hi, Dave!). Nice way to do it - does that tie in with the influence question? i would think that it helps wwith plot in the other cities just wanted to know if it was becoming common and easy to deal with I'd say that it's obvious that the ST local to the influenes needs to be the one dealing with them. The home ST should know about them for tracking purposes. Such influences should represent an investment of time and effort in the remote city. *** Reverend_ Quit (Client closed connection) I remember a time when we had it like this before....and I had a character with Influence in 3 cities. Thats alot of xp and tracking. could someone take their 5 background traits and spend 3 on, say, Police INF. in Wichita and 2 in KC... at character creation Yeah - under 4.1 the interpeation was a bit looser and some regions allowed it (and some didn't.) It's possible to split up the starting character's influence that way, but you are probably looking at some delays while you justify to the remote ST's why your charater should have the influence. * busybody_ooc notes "No matter where the influences are, still limited by total attribute traits." nods * Sander_LK makes note to buy more influence retainers *** Rev_OOC has joined #NC-RST *** Vonscheihagen is now known as shawnesse_ooc * busybody_ooc waves to Lloyd Oops. Got disco-ed. * shawnesse_ooc nods *** T_Bowen Quit (Ping timeout) 5 police in Wichita and 5 police in KC is 10 right? 10 points on your character sheet. It is still two seperate level 5 influences capable only of up to level 5 actions in LotN:Rev * bbstmoc would hate to do that tax return... * Rev_OOC tries to remember all the questions he usually has -- OK, here's one: What is our source for pre-reset history? * busybody_ooc waves bye to Dave (and is fairly sure he's right *this* time) BRB -- gots to make a phone call. *** Rev_OOC Quit (Quit: Leaving) Let's save Lloyd's qeustion until he gets back... brian do you want to discuss purebreed for garou characters? Sorry - I knew I was forgetting something. Purebreed as a mechanic is not tribal specific. But I've seen players and ST's in the game use it to provide ancestral clues. You have Pure Breed because your charater resembles some ancestral hero. i can wait *** Disconnected Session Close: Tue Jan 30 21:43:46 2001 Session Start: Tue Jan 30 21:43:51 2001 *** Now talking in #nc-rst *** Topic is 'NC RST Discussion Group (Used to discuss story, approvals, and other things not related to the rules) - For official clarifications and rules, contact the RST at ncrst@camarilla.org - Office Hours (Usually every Tuesday 8pm - 10pm CST: 30-Jan-2001, 5-Feb-2001)' *** Set by ncrst on Mon Jan 29 12:31:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Rawlins *** busybody_ooc Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) *** Rawlins is now known as busybody_ooc Yi. That's hasn't happened before - IRC is being quirky. Anyways... Your character could certainly resemble some ancestral hero, and if it is in certain tribes that adopt a lot (CoG) that may not be your current tribe (or have other backstory.) i can wait if you want Go ahead Shawnesse... if you want I can use my CoG to help with that I can considering father was a bsd kinfolk (mom was raped) what tribe do i show oooo, icky characters mom was unkown black fury kinfolk Stu, right? yes do i show that he is part bf and bsd or do i show all of one tribe Stu could show practically any tribe as the BSDs are composed of many tribes, but I'd recommend checking with the ST chain before doing "White Howler" i was not thinking like that (thanks brian) His Pure Breed could show him as the spitting image of (make up a name here...) "Sarina Slays-the-Leech" renowned BF ahourn in the 1800's. Of course, Stu is male, but sure... *** soze has left #nc-rst i think josh and i should talk but right now i think i will show all bf Travis - wanna take a stab at the pure breed thing? You know Garou pretty good yes travis *** Rev_OOC has joined #NC-RST Hey, Lloyd! Could you repeat your question? * busybody_ooc notes that they've been tearing through pure breed and IC explanation of it, sort of... Yeah -- what is the source for pre-reset history? I've been told a> all the TT books, b> LOTNR *only*, c> LOTNR and LOTNGTTC only, and d> there is no IC history -- different accounts of the past are held by different PCs, and none is "truer" than another. sure * Sander_LK was on the phone and stuff for bit Answer isn't simple and that's a project that I may want to compile a bit. Basically, we track with WW's material up to about 1900 with a few interesting exceptions. Like? The Tremere Inner council is different from the TT. and Ravnos hasn't been killed by the Cathayans and Technocracy yet. (especially, since I didn't see this before today, 'coz my PCs had been playing off of "everything was just like in the books until 1997") Yeah, but the Ravnos thing is post-reset, so it wouldn't come into our continuity. The thing to keep in mind is that there is no absolute information. In other words, treat pretty much everything in any book like what you read in a random clanbook. In other words, yeah, that's what is said, but maybe there is a slant. (and I didn't know that the Tremere council was different -- my guy doesn't have the Lore to have even the basics of a clue) true enough, but there are changes touche' Of course there's a slant, but if I'm to play a PC older than reset, I need some objective idea of what "really happened" in his lifetime. nods, misinformation as to "truth" of chronicle history has always been a part of our game The other matter is that most of the info in the modern "City by Night" books is out as it's post 1900. Even some of the older info in those books is out. The Chicago ST's know about the history of Chicago as well as the RST. Because he should remember -- there's a plotline playing out right now on the list where PCs are openly contradicting each other regarding events and practices that they should all remember. Which event? It's some kind of prestation argument -- I think that one of the players is named "King." OK, let's make this easy. Real history source or not: LOTNGTTC? As flavor and theme, LotN:CG is in - but muddied by the Protocols. One current solution is to decentralize the info to the geographic area. If I wanted to deal with ancient WoD history in India, there is an ST I can talk to. * busybody_ooc notes that ST is currently in the VPST office. So, to use my example, PCs should notice that Conclave post-reset is very different from Conclave pre-reset, right? or not? They really shouldn't notice much of a diffence. The Conclave at ICC 1999 may have been considered an aberation. Anyone see the conclaves at 98,99 and 2000 to offer another POV than mine? What part was an aberation Brian? Umm, '99 wasn't a Conclave, it was a press conference. From what I've been told, no Conclave in play has done any business what soever as a deliberative body. I think what most people think is the conclave in 1999 was actually the Oath Chapel. The conclave there was the Princes meeting. ICC 97 turned the Setites down as an 8th clan in the Camarilla. that was 96 in houston At least I seem to remember that (as compares and constrats with the ICC 96 conclave.) I noted it because we seemed to repeat ourselves pre and post reset. Conclave by definition is open to all Camarilla Kindred, according to LOTNCG. Exactly why I commented as an aberration... I was at the 98 and 99 conclave Prestation worked similarly but the effects were the same. boons were still handled by harpies and was determined by status and age *** shawnesse_ooc has left #nc-rst I remember the Conclave of 97....don't remember one at the 98 But, I was told that the Conclave as a body never did anything, in '97, '98, '99, or '00... Is this not the case? 98 was Veroja correct. yeah Or even better, how's this for an obscure history source -- the original VtM -- is it good for history/setting or not? 98 was veroja Business was offered in 2000, but declined. Business was on the table in 1997. Declined? You mean the Justicars tried to get the Conclave to debate and vote, and it wouldn't? The earlier editions get degraded as far as history and setting. Some stuff in there is still extremely good. But should always counter check... (sounds like a Chapter meeting) 98 conclave had a the veroja to deal with and the justicars were preoccupied with that.. Remember that Styles and (insert Toreador justicar) were dealing with that The Justicars inquired for business from all all of the clans in 2000. None of the clans had any business to bring up. yeah, magistratum was pissed no one said anythign I rembember the French Prince sought help against the Ventrue Justicar at 97.... :) While his interpretor insulted eveyone. We're doing an annual conclave. 2000 had an actual sealed conclave, much to the Nosferatu clanhead's dismay Nor did any individuals? What do you mean, sealed? There was a Justicar called hunt based on business brought up by an individual. Some are calling that "red-listed". Perhaps some are confused I can't remember if it was 97 or 98 in which danton was redlisted Of course, that would be telling if they are actually confused. I wish I'd been there -- I keep meaning to make a character who'll try to get the Conclave to censure the Oath. but that was part of the conclave Burbank this year Sealed as no one in, and no one out while business is being conducted. Strangly enough, the emisarries would able to leave, but they were a special case. (One of my minions wasn't able to enter under psychic projection - poor sot.) Cool. I guess I mis-spoke, then, Brian. It's just that I'd had it on pretty good authority that '99 was exactly how they were all supposed to go. If they're being run per source, I've got nothing to complain about. French Princes asked for assisantance in 1997. Setites wanted to join in 1997 but were turned down (but I think that was the J's preempting the qeustion.) *** Sander_LK Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) (the explosion of Noddism, OTOH, strikes me as weird, but I haven't had anybody try to tell me that Noddism was always a big proselytizing cult) *** ChipmuckCannuckooc Quit (Quit: "Everything you say to me takes me one step closer to the edge and I'm about to break...shut up when i'm talking to you..." One Step Closer-Linkin Park) They are being ran CLOSE to source, due to our medium. We learn in play what works and what doesn't. Right, but PCs do remember Conclaves per source -- makes me wonder if there's been an IG explanation for the yearly Grand Conclave. *** TravisP has joined #nc-rst back what did I miss To be perfectly honest, I know that a number of players are confused with the 99 conclave. It may not have actually been a conclave. The main business that took place was done at the Princes meeting that year. Was that the conclave? Good question. *** TravisP is now known as Travis_ooc Didn't miss much - basically a question on Noddism that I'm going to get some explanation on... Explosium of Noddism?!? don't forget the secret meetings that were going on then to But, I thought that it was official that a Conclave had been announced, and that the site named was where we ended up. Ah Nod. I wanna hear this I don't know - you've got me curious enough to ask. Everybody and their small dog is a Noddist nowadays -- Source kindof indicates that it was an underground cult in the past. It was announced but whether anything was "officially" done or not is different * busybody_ooc remmebers many PC's calling the archon called meeting at NCRE1 a conclave I know how many Noddists are in NC region in the cam_anarch venue. Or are you talking about characters who believe in parts of the Book of Nod? IIRC, at '99 several PCs were killed outright on the Conclave floor by the Justicars for daring to express an opinion. Hardly source-compliant, unless that wasn't really a Conclave. Thats screwed up Lloyd... Most Noddist are in the Sabbat. unless they are part of a Gehenna cult. define Nodists Brian, official clarification of what a Nodist is Exactly. I am not kidding, Tyler. Easily 25% of local PCs are open noddists, and the rest don't mind. The Cam supposedly is supposed to suppress Noddism and belief in Gehenna Suppress belief in Antedeleviuns and Gehenna, yes. Yeah, but in the past three years, that stopped. Why? Publically, that is. Privately, they are all agog with it. I gotta go -- y'all gonna be on later tonight, or is this the end? Start having the harpy strip status for foolishness. Those who are public could start being targetted.... Basicaly, it's a local theme thing. Harpy does that, Harpy dies. not necessarily Harpy needs to be strong enough or smart enough to do it. That's the pattern, and it ain't just our Chapter. Drew indicated that that is common in Denver and Springs. depends on the harpy and what they can get away with Harpy hasn't died in some time in Springs