Prabhupada’s Lecture, which can CLEARLY refute the “The Final Order Book by Krishna Kant”

By Vijay Kumar (02-August-2006)

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A piece from The Final Order:

Reporter: What will happen to the movement in the United States when you when you die?

Srila Prabhupada: I will never die

Devotees: Jaya! Haribol! (laughter)

Srila Prabhupada: I will live from my books and you will utilise. (SP Press Conference, 16/7/75, San Francisco)

Here was a clear opportunity for Srila Prabhupada to lay out his plans for the M.A.S.S. were that to be his intention. But instead of saying his disciples will succeed him as diksa gurus he says he shall never die. From the above exchange it can be understood Srila Prabhupada is a living spiritual master who continues to impart transcendental knowledge (the main constituent of diksa) through his books; and that this will continue for as long as ISKCON exists. The role of his disciples being to facilitate the process.

The quote presented by Krishna Kant above in The Final Order, was on 16^th of July 1975. And here is a lecture of Srila Prabhupada that is delivered 6 months later in December of 1975. Explaining the above quote, Krishna Kant assumes that this quote establishes that Prabhupada will remain the sole diksa guru of ISKCON, and will continue to accept disciples for next 10000 years. My argument is that Prabhupada has not made any clear statements like this sort in the above quote; and the FINAL ORDER is ONLY a one-sided interpretation by the author, which I have already proved from my main article http://www.geocities.com/dtfo2006/dtfo.hml.

I am proud that my first article against the Final Order has not yet been refuted by the author of Final Order or any of his supporters. What I have received from them, are some passionate responses against me, that’s all, & there is no CLEAR EXPLANATION or ACCEPTANCE OF THEIR MISTAKES happened for the last 4 months. I have been waiting for 4 months to see one HONEST PERSON who can accept his mistakes (from the Ritvik supporters), but could not find even one… And this is no wonder for me…considering the explanation provided in the Final Order, and the people who accept such explanations…It looks like a bunch of cheaters & the cheated…

Anyway, let us understand the wishes of Srila Prabhupada from this lecture…

Lecture of Srila Prabhupada at Sanand, December 25, 1975

Prabhupada: So if you have to translate, why not translate from English? That will be easier for me, and they will also understand. Tike? If he has to translate, then why not let me speak in English so that they will also understand?

Indian: I will translate.

Prabhupada: So Bhagavan means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Absolute Truth is realized in three phases. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate. Absolute Truth can be realized in the beginning as impersonal Brahman, which is the objective of the jnanis, and next, Paramatma, which is the objective of the yogis, and at last, the last word in the absolute understanding is person, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Ultimate issue is the Supreme Personality of Godhead just like we understand that in the sun globe there is the Supreme Person or the surya-narayana or the chief person within the sun planet. His name is also given in the Bhagavad-gita, Vivasvan.

The Lord says in the Fourth Chapter, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam: "I first of all explained this science, this yoga system of Bhagavad-gita, to Vivasvan, the sun-god." Vivasvan manave prahur manur iksvake bravit. And Vivasvan, the sun-god, he explained to Manu, and Manu explained to his son. In this way, by the disciplic succession the knowledge has come down. So when we speak of jnana, knowledge, it must be learned from a person. So Bhagavan, the last word in the understanding of Absolute Truth, He says in this Bhagavad-gita. So Vyasadeva specifically means here, bhagavan uvaca. He does not say, krsna uvaca, because sometimes Krsna is misunderstood by the fools. So bhagavan uvaca, this word, means whatever He says, there is no defect or deficiencies For ordinary person like us there are four defects, bhrama pramada vipralipsa karana-patava. Vipralipsa, cheating. Vipralipsa, cheating. So in the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna or self-realized person, servants of Krsna, those who have understood Krsna, for them there are no deficiencies. They are perfect. For this reason Krsna gives the instruction, tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya, upadeksyanti tad jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah. One who has actually seen or actually realized the truth, you have to take knowledge from there.

In the same DISCIPLIC WAY, the knowledge will also go down to the succeeding generations…And not the way given by the author of Final Order. It seems we should not accept knowledge from the ordinary person, with 4 defects, but from them who have realized the Absolute Truth.

So we have to approach such person. Otherwise, if we approach some speculator, we cannot get real knowledge. So those who are speculators, they cannot understand what is God. Therefore they commit mistake that "God is like this," "God like that," "There is no God," "There is no form." All these nonsense things are proposed because they are imperfect. Bhagavan therefore said, avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritah. Because He comes for our benefit in the human form, the fools and rascals consider Him as ordinary person. If Bhagavan says, aham bija-prada pita, "I am the seed-giving father," so we, every one of us, we know that my father is person, his father is person, his father is person, and why the supreme person or the supreme father should become imperson? Why? And therefore we have to learn from Bhagavan, the Supreme Person, full knowledge. This Bhagavad-gita is therefore full knowledge from the full Personality of Godhead. We cannot change even one word in this Bhagavad-gita.

This explanation of Prabhupada confirms with the ritvik vadis, because they have speculated so much, that they have deviated from the standard parampara-system, and when some one tries to show them the WORDS from the Bhagavad Gita (EVAM PARAMPARA PRAPTAM – that this transcendental knowledge must be received from the bonafide disciplic succession), THEY (Ritviks) NEGLECT THE WORDS OF BHAGAVAD GITA.

But ritvik vadis think that ‘THEY ARE the PERFECT SPECULATORS’, and their speculation is not mistake.

The fundamental idea is that all human beings have 4 defects, and thus the RESEARCH with their senses & mind (ritvik vadis) will always be imperfect. So knowledge must be received from the perfect source, the Vedas, the puranas & the Bhagavad Gita.

That is folly. So our this Krsna consciousness movement is following this principle. We don't manufacture any concocted things. We simply distribute the message given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And this is becoming effective practically.

I need not explain the sun-light words of Prabhupada.

You can see practically these Europeans and Americans, Australians, all over the world. They did not know four or five years ago, or say ten years ago, since I have begun this movement, they did not know what is Krsna. Although Bhagavad-gita was being presented by so many swamis and yogis, not a single man became a devotee of Krsna. So our, this presentation, because it is pure without any adulteration, it is acting very nicely. Even the Christian priests, they become surprised when they see that these boys, their boys... They were Christians or Jews. They becomes suprised that "These boys were never coming to the church. They were never interested in understanding what is God. Now, since this Krsna consciousness movement is there, how these boys have become so mad after God?" The only reason is that we are presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is. We preach that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krsna says also in the Bhagavad-gita, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya. So this is being effective, that if we really want to understand Bhagavad-gita we must understand as it is presented by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Our, this Krsna consciousness movement is the movement which was given to us by Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instruction is this. He says, amara ajnaya guru hana tara ei desa. So He is asking everyone, especially bharatiya, bharata bhumite manusya janma haila jara, janma sarthaka kari kara para upakara. So this Krsna consciousness movement is being conducted or was started by single-handed, myself. If all the Indian sages and saintly person, they take Bhagavad-gita As It Is and preach all over the world, there is great, great demand for it.

Here Prabhupada is not worried about who is to become guru & who is not. He is only concerned with the few HONEST devotees who will preach the message of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu without adulteration.

Unfortunately, so many persons go there. One big swami, he said that "Krsna means black, and black means unknown." Of course, nobody cares for his speech. Krsna is going on, forward. Everyone is accepting Krsna. But this is the most unfortunate thing, that our men go there to deprecate Krsna. Therefore we should very carefully try to understand Bhagavad-gita as it is presented by Krsna. Krsna says, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya. This should be preached, that Krsna is the supreme, ultimate. Aham saravasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate. Even Brahman, Paramatma, has also come from Krsna. Krsna is ultimateq. He says, aham adir hi devanam. He is the supreme of all the demigods. There is no need of worshiping any other demigod. Krsna says, kamais tais tair hrta-jnana yajanty anya-devatah. Hrta- jnana. Hrta-jnana means who has lost his intelligence. How he has lost his intelligence? Because they get from these demigods some temporary benefit.

Krishna also said “Evam parampara praptam”, this transcendental knowledge must be received from the succession of bonafide disciples of the parampara through the process of hearing from them & making valid inquiries & serving them. And this should not be changed. If you have not yet found any pure devotee; you can take advantage of hearing from Srila Prabhupada from his audio available in the form of cassettes & CDs; and follow this instructions. By being sincere in following Prabhupada, Sri Krishna will certainly lead us to a pure devotee from whom one can take more siksa (& diksa) in the devotional service to Sri Krishna.

Antavat tu phalam tesam tad bhavaty alpa- medhasam. So our real problem is that we... Every one of us, we are the spirit soul, part and parcel of Krsna. We are struggling for existence within this material world. So manah- sastanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati, struggle for existence. Therefore Krsna says that "Your real problem is janma mrtyu jara vyadhi duhkha dosanudarsanam." We are eternal. We understand from Bhagavad-gita, na hanyate hanyamane sarire. So if I am eternal, nityah sasvata, then why I am accepting death? This is real question. But foolishly we are thinking, "I am this body." Therefore we remain as an animal. So we should be interested to understand actually "What I am," aham brahmasmi. That is real solution of all problems. This is called knowledge. But sometimes we are misled by misleaders; therefore we still remain in darkness in spite of cultivating knowledge. But actually, when we cultivate knowledge under the guidance of real guru, then we can understand vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah. This is confirmed in the Vedas, Brahma-samhita, isvarah paramah krsnah sac cid ananda vigrahah, anadir adir govindah sarva karana karanam. So spiritual knowledge means to become Krsna conscious. This is the sum and substance, to understand Krsna, what He is, not that concocting, manufacturing that "Krsna is this. Krsna is that." No. As Krsna says, as sastra says what is Krsna, you have to understand it like that. So sadhu sastra guru vakya. It is said that we have to accept knowledge through saintly person. Through sastra and guru we have to understand.

Here is one more important point that ritviks have deviated. They never taken any inputs from other devotees (sadhu) even though they are valid. They blindly stick to their own INDIRECT/ONE-SIDED arguments & ideas.

So Krsna is accepted by all the sadhus and acaryas. Sankaracarya, Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Nimbarka, Visnu Swami, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu--all of them accepted Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So acarya means one who has learned, taken knowledge from the sastra, authoritative sastra, Vedas. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is recommended, acaryopasanam. you want real knowledge, then you must take knowledge from the acaryas or the acarya-parampara. Then there is knowledge. Otherwise it is ignorance. So under the circumstances, whatever Krsna says, Bhagavan says... Sri-bhagavan uvaca, mayy asakta-manah partha. The real business is to increase your attachment for Krsna. This is your real business. How we can increase our attachment for Krsna, that is explained by Krsna. Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. The asakti, attachment, it has to be done according to the system, adau sraddha. First thing is sraddha, little faith, that, "Let us go to this Krsna consciousness movement, and let us hear what they say." This is called sraddha. Then, if you become interested, then sadhu-sanga. Those who are actually devotees of Lord Krsna, you have to associate with them. And who is sadhu? Sadhu is described by Krsna in the Bhagavad- gita. Api cet suduracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak, sadhur eva sa mantavyah. He is sadhu who is... So, the fact is, sadhu means unalloyed devotee of Krsna.

He is sadhu. Suddha-bhakta. Anyabhilasita-sunyam jnana karmady anavrtam, anukulyena krsnanusilanam bhaktir uttama. One who has no other desire than to serve Krsna favorably, he is sadhu. So we are sending all these sadhus all over the world, these European and American sadhus, because they have taken to Krsna consciousness without any doubt. And it is becoming effective. Because we have got so many expansive centers all over the world, it is not possible for me to go everywhere, but these boys, because they have taken to Krsna consciousness very seriously, they are doing very nice. And it is not difficult for them because we have given this English translation of this book. We have got at least eighty books of four hundred pages, and they are preaching very nicely. And by the grace of Krsna... You'll be surprised to understand that we are selling books, not less than one lakh of rupees per day. So the preaching is going on very nicely. We request all Indians to take part in this Krsna consciousness movement and be yourself happy, be yourself guru and deliver all other persons

who are in ignorance.

And to become guru is not very difficult. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana tara ei desa, yare dekha tare kaha krsna upadesa. You become guru. It is not very difficult. How? Now, because you have to simply repeat what Krsna has said. That's all. So Krsna says everything in the Bhagavad-gita. Man-mana bhava mad bhakto mad yaji mam namaskuru. These four things if you accept, to think of Krsna always, to become devotee of Krsna, to offer obeisances to Krsna and to worship Krsna, these four things if you do, you become Krsna conscious, a devotee of Krsna, and you can preach all over the world. It is not at all difficult. So if you become sincere, seriously Krsna conscious, then there will be no difficulty because Krsna says, tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti- purvakam, buddhi-yogam dadami tam. If you constantly, twenty-four hours remain Krsna conscious, man-mana, then--Krsna is there within your heart--He will give you instruction, "Do like this."

So Bhagavan is not far away from you. Isvarah sarva bhutanam hrd dese arjuna. He is staying within the core of your heart. But if you qualify yourself as devotee, He'll speak with you. But if you commit offenses, thinking Krsna as ordinary man, then Krsna will never give you instruction. So our request is, this Krsna consciousness movement, that you study Bhagavad-gita. You don't require... Because Bhagavad-gita is the essence of all Vedic knowledge. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyam. Vedas means if you actually a student of Veda or Vedanta, Veda-Vedanta, then the ultimate goal is to understand Krsna. And if you cannot understand Krsna, however big Vedantist you may be, you remain a fool. This is the conclusion of Bhagavad-gita. Thank you very much. (end)