t62secsofclarity: hey
Atheist142
: hiya
t62secsofclarity
: got your email
Atheist142
: oh coolish
t62secsofclarity
: still gotta read it all
Atheist142
: heh, it's a bit heavy...
t62secsofclarity
: not really
Atheist142
: oh good
t62secsofclarity
: ok
t62secsofclarity
: so spontanteously
t62secsofclarity
: matter appeared
Atheist142
: and antimatter
t62secsofclarity
: well would it not all be antimatter
t62secsofclarity
: if nothing were there?
Atheist142
: no, antimatter is some weird stuff that I don't really understand much because it's really very complicated, all I know is that it cancels out matter
t62secsofclarity
: ok
t62secsofclarity
: well according to science
t62secsofclarity
: matter cannot just appear
Atheist142
: yes, actually, it can
t62secsofclarity
: something must create it
Atheist142
: did you read my bottom part on evidence?
t62secsofclarity
: and for something to create it, doesnt the something have to be there first
t62secsofclarity
: its a chicken and the egg question
t62secsofclarity
: i think i just deleted your email
Atheist142
: did you read the bottom part on evidence?
t62secsofclarity
: dont htink so
Atheist142
: ummm...
Atheist142
: well, would you like me to tell you now?
t62secsofclarity
: ya
Atheist142
: it has been shown that small bits of equal amounts of matter and antimatter can spontaneously appear in a partial vaccuum
t62secsofclarity
: parital
t62secsofclarity
: key word
t62secsofclarity
: partial
Atheist142
: LET ME FINISH PLEASE
t62secsofclarity
: sorry
Atheist142
: they quickly disappear because it's not a true vaccuum, and it seems to fit in with all of the physics junk because the matter and the antimatter cancel eachother ot, so the total mass is 0
Atheist142
: if the total mass is 0, then it would take no energy to create, and it gets rid of the need for a creator
Atheist142
: from all readings, the total amount of matter in the universe is about 0
Atheist142
: so it fits :-)
Atheist142: there, sorry about that.
t62secsofclarity
: so
t62secsofclarity
: if the total amount of matter is 0
t62secsofclarity
: how can there be matter to build something
Atheist142
: well, there is matter to cancel out the antimatter
t62secsofclarity
: but if the total is 0
Atheist142
: err, antimatter to cancel out the existing matter
t62secsofclarity
: there is nothing
Atheist142
: example:
t62secsofclarity
: please
Atheist142
: if you look at the equation 2 - 2 = 0
Atheist142
: there is a "2"
Atheist142
: there is a "-2"
t62secsofclarity
: not at the end
Atheist142
: yes, but that's just if they were both together
Atheist142
: if the matter and the antimatter werre added together, you'd get about 0
t62secsofclarity
: if you want to talk about the answer to how the universe was created, you must look at the answer
t62secsofclarity
: right
Atheist142
: but they're not together now, they're seperate entities
t62secsofclarity
: but still
t62secsofclarity
: its a continuing cycle
Atheist142
: really, how?
t62secsofclarity
: ok
t62secsofclarity
: youve got amtter and antimatter
t62secsofclarity
: you add them together
t62secsofclarity
: you have nothing
Atheist142
: pretty much
t62secsofclarity
: that is what you get
t62secsofclarity
: well if you have added them together
Atheist142
: if they are added together.
Atheist142
: but right now they're not together
t62secsofclarity
: how can they be seperate entities?
t62secsofclarity
: how can they be together when its convenient for you and separate when its not?
Atheist142
: how did I say they were together?
Atheist142
: when you add them together, you get a total of 0
t62secsofclarity
: you said that the combined and it happened so fast it jus started a sorty of explosion
Atheist142
: no, I never said they combined
Atheist142
: I said that they appeared and then expanded to fill the nothingness and vaccuum that was around
t62secsofclarity
: then how could they create
t62secsofclarity
: if they didnt combine
Atheist142
: what do you mean?
t62secsofclarity
: not sure
t62secsofclarity
: i have this thing
t62secsofclarity
: were i always contradict myself
t62secsofclarity
: i know what im talking about
t62secsofclarity
: but i seem to not be clear when i sate it
Atheist142
: there is also probably a lot of important physics junk that I don't understand that I'm leaving out...
Atheist142
: :-P phooey, I wish I werre a rocket scientist
t62secsofclarity
: well
t62secsofclarity
: how did the first matter get there
Atheist142
: it spontaneously appeared due to a quantum fluctuation
t62secsofclarity
: and what is the evidence
Atheist142
: hmm, well right now I'm using an online interview with a particle physicist for most of what I'm saying
Atheist142
: hang on a sec and I'll get you the URL
Atheist142
: http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/stenger1.htm
Atheist142: it's somewhere in the middle
t62secsofclarity
: well hold that thought
t62secsofclarity
: i must go
t62secsofclarity
: later
t62secsofclarity signed off at 3:03:35 PM
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