sexyguy162003: and im sure that u know everything in the bible that has
to happen has
sexyguy162003: can u explain this
Atheist142: what do you mean?
sexyguy162003: and it's not coincedence
sexyguy162003: well thier was a bible written before jesuses time that
stated events in the future
sexyguy162003: and so far evey one of those events has happened
Atheist142: I doubt that.
sexyguy162003: well wether u doubt it or not it's true
Atheist142: I'm sorry, my computer disconnected me.
sexyguy162003: so have u believed in god and jusus at one time in ur life
sexyguy162003: jesus*
Atheist142: yessir
sexyguy162003: but then u started asking questions and u eighter weren't
getting the right answers or u weren't getting ne answers at all, therefor u
started disbelieving
sexyguy162003: well questions just confuse people
Atheist142: basically
sexyguy162003: and u probably weren't even asking the right questions in
the first place
sexyguy162003: so whats ur theory about the after death?
sexyguy162003: or do u not have one?
Atheist142: I don't have one
sexyguy162003: oh
Atheist142: probably we go 6 feet under and worms eat our brains
Atheist142: :-)
sexyguy162003: yep
sexyguy162003: our bodies do
sexyguy162003: but not our souls
Atheist142: what is a soul?
sexyguy162003: thier u go again asking meerly impossible questions that
only god could answer
Atheist142: well I can't believe in a soul if I don't knwo what it is.
sexyguy162003: well...
sexyguy162003: what is space then
sexyguy162003: u must believe in that
Atheist142: what kind of space?
sexyguy162003: questions? questions? questions?
Atheist142: like outer space, or like a three-dimensional area?
sexyguy162003: well it's not about space it's the point i was trying to
prove
Atheist142: what point?
sexyguy162003: that just becuz u dont know what sumthing is doesn't
mean it's not thier and/or u dont believe in it
Atheist142: if I don't know what something is, I cannot believe in it
sexyguy162003: do u believe in love
Atheist142: yessir
sexyguy162003: well u cannot possibly explain love to someone, u have
to fell it and know it
sexyguy162003: feel*
Atheist142: well, I can explain it
sexyguy162003: go ahead
sexyguy162003: wait...
sexyguy162003: have u ever been in love
Atheist142: yes, I have. it's a very strong, very personal emotion
towards people you have emotionally bonded with.
sexyguy162003: yeah that souunds right
sexyguy162003: but...
sexyguy162003: i have felt love and it is sooooooooo much better than
the writing u have just shown towards me
Atheist142: I know
sexyguy162003: therefor u didn't explain ne thing
Atheist142: I have been in love.... and that is the best way to put it
into words, although a bit dry, I will admit.
Atheist142: sounds like I'm talking about Peruvian tree monkeys.
sexyguy162003: cuz some random person, thats never been in love, could
read it and say cool, but if the words were the exact meaning of love they
would be so touched by them they would know what love feels like
sexyguy162003: so...
sexyguy162003: u didn't explain ne thing to me
Atheist142: If you wanted me to be poetic, I could be poetic
sexyguy162003: do u wanna try again cuz i can hear everything u have to
say but unless u feel it u dont know what it is
Atheist142: Love is the feeling that you get when you are so
connected with someone it feels like you are the same person, with
the same thoughts, and feelings, and you are always thinking about
them, and when you are with them it is pure ecstacy.
Atheist142: Better?
sexyguy162003: therefor wether u believe in love or not it does exist u
just have to find it or see for urself
sexyguy162003: no not better
Atheist142: *shrug* I think the first definition is morea accurate.
sexyguy162003: i have felt love and it's a lot better than the words u have
shown me
Atheist142: *shrug* love is a personal thing.
Atheist142: you must experence it, and everyone seems to have
their own meanings for it.
Atheist142: the one that encompasses all of them is my first one.
Atheist142: it doesn't set off fireworks, but it explains it well
sexyguy162003: u do realize that the only reason i imed u was becuz if i
didn't im afraid eternity isn't looking out for u that well
sexyguy162003: and im trying to save u
Atheist142: that is very nice of you.
sexyguy162003: cuz i do know that pretty much no human on this earth
would want to die over and over again for eternity
Atheist142: well.../ no, not really.
Atheist142: not the best of all eternities.
sexyguy162003: and personally i wouldn't want u to have to go through
that when i could have just simply imed u and saved u
Atheist142: that is very nice of you
sexyguy162003: so i hope u realize what everyone that im's u is trying to
do
Atheist142: yes, I know
sexyguy162003: but only u can make the right decision
Atheist142: yessir
sexyguy162003: and ur an oftly nice person, dont get me wrong
Atheist142: well thank you :-)
Atheist142: then why would god want to send me to Hell?
sexyguy162003: i can answer that
sexyguy162003: he doesn't want to send u to hell, he LOVES u and it
practically kills him to do that, but it is only ur fault for not finding the right
path in life so he has no choice
Atheist142: if I simply use the brain that he gave me to think with,
and make logical concluisions, why would he want to send me to
Hell? if he has never shown himself to me in a way I can
understand... he's God, he can do anything he wants. if he wanted
to, couldn't he get through to me, and to everyone?
sexyguy162003: and i would feel guilty becuz it is partly my fault for not
saving u
sexyguy162003: hey guess what?
Atheist142: hm?
sexyguy162003: he's getting through to u RIGHT NOW. he's getting to u
through me and every other person that has taked to u about this
Atheist142: no, he is now... because they have no proof.
Atheist142: not^^^
Atheist142: not now
sexyguy162003: so in the end if u have still not found him it's ur fault
becuz he has givin u so many chances
sexyguy162003: proof just confuses people with the truth
Atheist142: proof shows evidence for the truth.
Atheist142: that is what proof is, no?
sexyguy162003: yes but when thier is no proof u say this must not be true
and that right thier is the devil getting to u
Atheist142: no, I say "I cannot tell if this is true so I cannot believe
it"
Atheist142: it may be true... and I am waiting for evidence.
Atheist142: (which god, if he exists, will undoubtedly provide, no?)
sexyguy162003: u see ur looking for proof but when thier is no proof u
decide to not belive it but lt me tell u somthing that is extremely important in
life, WETHER U BELIEVE SOMTHING OR NOT OR WETHER U
CAN PROVE SOMTHING OR NOT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T
EXIST
Atheist142: I know. but if god did exist, and he was the Christian
God, performing miracles and such, there would be some evidence...
which I am still waiting for. Preaching or yelling will not change this
fact.
Atheist142: sorry, my computer is mean and disconnected me :-P
sexyguy162003: hey the bible is a great peice of evidence for u
Atheist142: I doubt its valididty
sexyguy162003: in fact the bible is better evidence of god and jesus than
bones of a dinasour
Atheist142: I doubt that.
Atheist142: there is no evidence to back up the Bible, is there?
sexyguy162003: so u just think ove thousands of yrs people have past on
a book that is fiction and means nuthing?
sexyguy162003: im sorry to say but that is fiction my friend
Atheist142: well, they think it holds great meaning.
Atheist142: I am aware the bible is fiction...
sexyguy162003: well it's not
Atheist142: but you just said... ?
sexyguy162003: no i said...
sexyguy162003: if u think the bible is fiction then that is the only fiction
Atheist142: ah.
Atheist142: well, we each have opines about this.
Atheist142: and I don't want to convince you out of yours.
sexyguy162003: ok please bare with me try to see it my way without
trying to prove me wrong
Atheist142: ok
sexyguy162003: and u wont change my opinions
Atheist142: I'm not planning on it anyway :-)
sexyguy162003: cuz i was a christian once who got changed to athiest by
someone who was changed to a christian about a week later and then was
still athiest waiting for someone to save me and then my good frined errick
came along and i was saved once again
Atheist142: hm.
sexyguy162003: witch is what im trying to do with u becuz u dont deserve
to not know the truth and to go to hell for what could have been changed
sexyguy162003: ok this is what i want u to do...
Atheist142: ok
sexyguy162003: i want u to pray to god tonight that a miracle in ur life will
happen and then it may not appear soon so be patient and dont give up
hope, then once this miracle happens u will know and then i just hope u
change ur ways
Atheist142: I cannot pray to something I don't think exists.
sexyguy162003: becuz u even said urself u need proof so this is the only
way i can help u i guess
Atheist142: that's like asking you to pray to Zeus.....
sexyguy162003: u see ur not baring with me here
sexyguy162003: if u just do that simple thing im pretty sure ur life will be
saved
Atheist142: I cannot pray to something I do not believe in.
Atheist142: can you pray to Zeus?
sexyguy162003: y not
Atheist142: alright, if you will pray to Zeus and Hera that they will
show their presence to you in a miracle.
Atheist142: then I will pray to your God.
sexyguy162003: i could but i have morals now that i am a strong christian
and i would never pray to another god or and idle, thats the 3rd
commandment
Atheist142: I hold the truth in high regard, and that would be lying to
myself. I could not bring myself to do that, just like you could not
bring yourself to pray to Zeus.
Atheist142: Please understand that.
sexyguy162003: if i were athiest i would surely do what i have asked of u
just to try it and then it would happen and i would be so thankful i did
sexyguy162003: ok what r ur morals then
sexyguy162003: ?
Atheist142: I have only a few
sexyguy162003: they r?
Atheist142: 1) don't do anything that causes unneccessary harm to
anyone, if it can possibly be avoided
Atheist142: 2) truth is important.
Atheist142: but not so important that you would risk harm to
yourself or others over the truth
Atheist142: that's all
sexyguy162003: ok those r ur morals now i am not asking u to go against
ne of those morals or to belive in the prayer i am asking u to say, just do it,
as an experimant of god in ur words i suppose and see the results for urself
sexyguy162003: what is it gonna harm
Atheist142: it's not truthful
Atheist142: to myself
Atheist142: I have to live with myself before anyone else, you know.
sexyguy162003: how is that
Atheist142: I can't lie to myself like that.
Atheist142: Pray to soemthing that I have no reason to believe is
there.
Atheist142: plue sI have before
Atheist142: and it really hasn't worked.
Atheist142: and I'm not too eager to try again. I cannot and will not
do that.
sexyguy162003: im sorry
sexyguy162003: for u
Atheist142: don't pity me.
sexyguy162003: that really herts me
Atheist142: do not ask me to do what I cannot.
sexyguy162003: fine dont do it it's up 2 u
Atheist142: plus, I don't think god would be happy if I went against
my own morals, would he?
Atheist142: :-\
sexyguy162003: yes he would becuz the morals that u have r man made
and thats all
sexyguy162003: u know about mormans right
Atheist142: yessir
Atheist142: they amuse me...
sexyguy162003: they worship manmade morals and for that they r going
to hell
Atheist142: I would not want to worship this god anyway... putting
people in Hell for doing what they think is right. I think a lot of
people would be nicer than God is.
sexyguy162003: ok answer me this...
sexyguy162003: when u die say u went to the gates of heaven and the
person in front of u made it in and then u were next and god would ask u
certain ?'s and if u lie to him right then and thier or if u tell the truth but the
truth wasn't what he wanted he would say son im sorry but u r going to hell
for eternity. right then and thier u would drop to ur knees in shock and ur
heart would crumble all becuz u believed in ur morals, now would u like
this to happen
sexyguy162003: ?
Atheist142: well, if I was waiting in line behind the pearly gates, I
would probably be a Christian then. If God cannot tolerate the
mistakes that he himself made when giving me my brain, then I
don't want to worship him on this planet.
Atheist142: really... he made me. He gave me my brain, with which
to think. all logic points to him not existing, and he's going to punish
me for this?
sexyguy162003: u see ur looking at it wrong
sexyguy162003: this is how it is...
sexyguy162003: god has angels that r born free of sin, and god has
humans that r born to sin, now personally i would rather be a human becuz
i am given the chance to make a choice and somtimes that choice isn't right
but an angel on the other hand doesn't have a choice and they know for a
fact that thier is a god, u right now r in the wrong choice stage and of
course u have sinned and i have sinned but if u r saved and ask god for
forgiveness u will go to heaven
Atheist142: I doubt that.
sexyguy162003: u doubt that aye?
Atheist142: yes, I do doubt that.
sexyguy162003: well thats how it is wether u doubt that or not and i have
tryed to save u and i am very sad now becuz i have failed...
Atheist142: thank you... don't be sad.
sexyguy162003: now when ur time is up i hope u have chosen the right
path becuz thier r things worse than death
sexyguy162003: and the earth we live on today is HELL
Atheist142: I like the world I live in.
Atheist142: :-)
sexyguy162003: and when we die we have the choice togo free from it,
but if u make the wrong choice thier r no more chances
sexyguy162003: and now that u know the concequences and
reprecushons i am sorry becuz when u die u will not like the outcome and
part of that will be my fault
Atheist142: :-\
sexyguy162003: if i were u i would forget everything u know today and
start praying for ur life becuz 100 yrs from now u will be wishing u did
Atheist142: 100 years from now I will be a decomposed corpse and
not sentient
sexyguy162003: witch brings us back to the simple quote it is better to
live eternity in heavin than 100 yrs in hell
sexyguy162003: im sorry i couldn't be of ne help
Atheist142: :-\
sexyguy162003: i truly hope u find ur way some day
sexyguy162003: for ur sake not mine
Atheist142: o.....k.....
sexyguy162003: i love u, and godbless
Atheist142: ugh.
sexyguy162003 signed off at 3:39:03 AM.
