LuvU286722: well, i think people dont just dissappear when they die, and the only way
for this is to believe there is a god
Atheist142: that isn't any evidence for god, that's just what you think. I need some
evidence to believe and I have none.
LuvU286722: besides, it is a little narrow-minded and even ignorant to believe all the
protons and neurons, all the particles of matter just came fitted together perfectly in some
big bang
Atheist142: that's not what the Inflationary Big Bang Theory is.
LuvU286722: there is no scientific evidence to prove there isnt a god, so why believe
there isnt as in opposed to believe there is
LuvU286722: there is no evidence to back up any of the big bang theories
Atheist142: Well, because I have no reason to believe in a god, so why should I?
LuvU286722: why wouldnt you? why would anyone want to believe there isnt a god?
that would mean that our lives are absolutely nothing, there is no hope for something
greater beyong earth, and if that is the case, why dont we all just kill ourselves?
Atheist142: Because I only have one life to live, and I am going to enjoy it if it kills
me :-).
LuvU286722: well, why believe it only ends there when you could actually have more if
you believe in god - i mean, why choose not to if you could choose to - there is equal
evidence to support either side, to believe or not to
Atheist142: really? you haven't given me a shred of evidence supporting any god,
just emotional reasons that I don't want or need.
LuvU286722: ok - there are statues that leak oil and blood - scientists examin them and
can come up with no conclusions, in florida last year there was a portrait of mary that
aooeared on the bank one building and scientists didnt know what to say, so they said it
was the soap - ya really - and then there are countless miracles that have happened
LuvU286722: that science cannot prove or disprove, so why choose to believe there is no
god over god?
Atheist142: you're making claims. quote a scientist, give me a web page,
something besides just telling me about this.
Atheist142: Plus, you don't know whether it was a god or not, perhaps it was
simply a natural phenomenon that we can't explain yet.
LuvU286722: if i knew a webpage id give it to you - go to library and check newspapers
from a year back - i dont care if u believe in god or not it's ur problem
LuvU286722: perhaps, but where is the evicence supporting that either?
LuvU286722: why believe that over god?
Atheist142: There isn't. Just because we can't explain it yet doesn't mean that
there is a god.
LuvU286722: well, we can use that same excuse to say there is a god
Atheist142: yes, but that doesn't prove anything, it just shows that you'll jump to
conclusions.
LuvU286722: you do too
LuvU286722: so which side is better?
Atheist142: how? Because I say I don't know why?
LuvU286722: yes - coosing to believe in chance over god - why would you want to do
that?
LuvU286722: choosing
LuvU286722: there is no benefit to choosing chance, so why not choose god if there is no
evidence for either
Atheist142: I can't explain everything, and I'd rather wait until I can find out
what's really causing it than to assume that it's a god.
LuvU286722: then why assume it's not a god
LuvU286722: people have been dieing for thier beliefs in god for hundreds of years and
they are not all so ignorant to do it for nothing
Atheist142: if everyone jumped off a bridge would you do it too?
Atheist142: :-P
LuvU286722: no because it has no point - they believe in god and that there issomething
better, so that is why they did it - quite different from jumping off a bridge
Atheist142: not to me.
LuvU286722: what is not to you?
Atheist142: Just because a lot of people believe in god and made sacrifices for it,
doesn't mean that I will or even should.
LuvU286722: it also doesnt mean that you shouldnt
Atheist142: In lack of any evidence, I can't believe.
Atheist142: If there's no reason to believe, why should I?
LuvU286722: there is a lack of evidence for what you are believeing right now
Atheist142: What do I believe?
LuvU286722: so that's not a valid arguement
Atheist142: What do you think I believe?
LuvU286722: that there is no god
Atheist142: no, I don't believe that.
Atheist142: sorry, no cigar, better luck next time :-P
LuvU286722: well, that's what an athiest is
Atheist142: no.
Atheist142: NO. NO. NO.
Atheist142: :-P
LuvU286722: ok, what do you think an athiest is then?
LuvU286722: an athiest is someone who denies the existance in god, agnostics are not
sure if he exists or not, so are you agnostic?
Atheist142: no.
Atheist142: NO NO NO let me explain.
Atheist142: 1) Whoever told you that was probably a Christian, not an atheist.
LuvU286722: go ahead
LuvU286722: atheists do not believe in god - that is the defenition of the word athiest
Atheist142: 2) Atheists define themselves as lacking a god-belief.
Atheist142: LET ME FINISH PLEASE.
LuvU286722: what's the difference?
Atheist142: Yes, we do not believe. Lacking a belief is different from a negative
belief.
Atheist142: I lack a belief in god means I have no belief.
LuvU286722: no it's not
LuvU286722: exactly - you dont believe in god
Atheist142: saying that I believe in no god is different
LuvU286722: how so?
Atheist142: Well, I can't say there is no god, I'd have to be everywhere at once to
say there is no god and that's impossible.
LuvU286722: then you're an agnostic
Atheist142: no,.
Atheist142: NO NO NO
LuvU286722: yes . .
LuvU286722: YES YES YES
Atheist142: Look, I AM AN ATHEIST. YOU ARE NOT.
Atheist142: I can tell you what I believe.
LuvU286722: i know i am not
Atheist142: You cannot tell me my own beliefs.
LuvU286722: no, but i can tell you an athiests's beliefs
Atheist142: I know very well what I believe.
Atheist142: NO YOU CANNOT.
Atheist142: Not with your flawed definition./
LuvU286722: yes i can - it is a word in the dictionary
Atheist142: atheists--ALL PROMINENT ONES--disagree with Webster's
dictionary
Atheist142: I think I can define my own belief system thank you.
LuvU286722: then they are ignorant and they need to change their name - a word has a
definition, and you cannot just change that definition cause you want to
Atheist142: NO. The dictionary can be wrong sometimes.
Atheist142: Plus Encarta has a better definition
LuvU286722: how so? cause you said so? cause some athiests said so?
LuvU286722: oh oh excuse me - encarta vs. dictionary
Atheist142: no, because ALL PROMINENT ATHEISTS AS A GROUP define
atheism, THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM the way that Encarta's dictionary defines it.
Atheist142: no, atheism vs. bad definition.
LuvU286722: ok, so an organized group of athiests do not believe in the definition of the
word they call themselves
LuvU286722: all very irrelevent
Atheist142: no, it means that the one particular dictionary you're using is giving
out a faulty definition for our belief system.
Atheist142: And you're using it to try and paint me into a corner.
LuvU286722: the word athiest was around before your ittle group
LuvU286722: i odnt care about the word -
LuvU286722: it doesnt make a difference to me
Atheist142: okay, then GET IT RIGHT FOR BOB'S SAKE.
Atheist142: Atheists lack a god-belief.
LuvU286722: so, why do you believe what you do?
Atheist142: I don't have any beliefs--that's why "lack" is in there.
LuvU286722: oh - for bob's sake, huh - pretty good there - well, then if there is no god,
why is it wrong to kiil, cheat, lie, steal, hurt, - or is it ok to do that?
Atheist142: It's wrong in most cases because it will hurt others.
Atheist142: That's usually not a good thing :-P
LuvU286722: who cares?
LuvU286722: who says that's not a good thing? it's not your problem
Atheist142: Well, I do, and if you don't then I feel sorry for the people you live
with.
LuvU286722: i dont
LuvU286722: why have compassion for anyone? why obey any laws or leaders?
LuvU286722: they aren't perfect
Atheist142: Why would I want to hurt others? They never hurt me. They're just
trying to live their lives like I'm trying to live mine. I obey laws because I elected
the government and I think that they're actually a pretty good idea.
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LuvU286722: that's good. im glad you do. you're the first intelligent athiest iv talked to in
a long time - but, if people are in your way, then why not stp on them? i mean, it's your life
and you've only got one
Atheist142: They only have one life also, and I don't want to ruin it for them.
LuvU286722: why not? why should you care> they probably dont care for yours
Atheist142: Well, I go by what Anto LaVey would say: If they leave me alone, I
do the same. If they hurt me, I will not hesitate to do the same. If they are kind, I
will more than repay them.
Atheist142: Anton LaVey, I mean.
LuvU286722: why more then repay them? and his ideas ae borrowed and quite unoriginal
LuvU286722: god said that in the old testament before history was recorded
Atheist142: Because if I am kind to people, they most often repay me.
Atheist142: And the Old Testament is recorded history.
Atheist142: Technically.
LuvU286722: somewhat, but none of it is dated to the year
LuvU286722: that is what i mean
Atheist142: oh, sorry
LuvU286722: dont be
Atheist142: I like Anton LaVey, he seems like a nice guy.
Atheist142: Seemed.
LuvU286722: me thim?
LuvU286722: met him
Atheist142: from all outside appearence he seemed like a nice guy, from his
writings and interviews and such.
Atheist142: Unfortunately no, I never met him.
LuvU286722: well, i like jesus who was the epitome of all love and goodness
LuvU286722: his miracles were recorded in history
Atheist142: well, we all have our opinions... I prefer someone who I know existed.
LuvU286722: he did exist - he is in historical documents no one can deny that
Atheist142: In which historical documents?
LuvU286722: i do no know the titles, but he is in jewish (people who would not like to
admit) and roman (also people who would not like to admit) and they have his cross in
amuseum and some of his clothes and know the towns and houses where he lived
LuvU286722: there is no denieing his existance
LuvU286722: denying
LuvU286722: whatever
Atheist142: Um, unless you can actually tell me where it's verified, all I can go on
is your word, which I'm not exactly that trusting of, as I'm sure you aren't of mine
:-P
LuvU286722: well, you can look in newspapers or online under search words "holy
shroud" i think, or just look up museums in italy or the holy land in the middle east
Atheist142: the shroud can't be true if you compare it to the Gospels.
LuvU286722: yes it can
LuvU286722: why couldnt it?
Atheist142: No, if Jesus ascended into heaven, there would be no body here on
earth, would there?
LuvU286722: ok, there is no body - only the robe they rapped his body in when he was
ead for three days
Atheist142: It would take decades for his facial imprint to be that well-imprinted on
that cloth, making it impossible.
LuvU286722: before he resurrected
LuvU286722: not if it's in blood
LuvU286722: blood stains
Atheist142: *shrug* believe what you will.
LuvU286722: you may also
Atheist142: If you cannot give me proof, I cannot believe.
LuvU286722: i dont care - what proof do you want? i just want to know why you choose
chance over god when there is no proof for either
LuvU286722: but now i have to get offline
LuvU286722: maybe ill catch you another time
Atheist142: okies, interesting conversation :-)
LuvU286722: yes
LuvU286722: bye
Atheist142: cya
LuvU286722 signed off at 3:30:53 PM.
