HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: so did youput our previous convo in the crazy thiests
section?
Atheist142: no...
Atheist142: new computer
Atheist142: busy busy
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: are you going to?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: ah
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you outta change the name of it
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: what are you doing? do you want me to leave you alone?
Atheist142: nah... why should I change the name?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: well, I don't think we're crazy.
Atheist142: and I am planning on it, once I get my spare time
organized...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: heh
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: some most definately more outrageous than others
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: but not crazy
Atheist142: yeah
Atheist142: :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: oh my
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: chetabocker201 makes me sick
Atheist142: I can't remember what he said
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: totally blasphemous
Atheist142: what did he say?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: he was the one who claimed to be God
Atheist142: lol
Atheist142: that one was generally amusing me
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I would bash his face in if I knew him personally
Atheist142: that isn't very Christian and forgiving, no?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: we all sin
Atheist142: yes, but you know that is a sin... two wrongs don't make
a right.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: That's probably what I'd do if I knew em
Atheist142: that isn't very nice.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Turning the other cheek is pretty hard to do when you
love something so strongly.
Atheist142: well, you're supposed to do it anyway, right?
self-control is good.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: i am supposed to
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: but that's my main flaw as a Christian
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: not being able to turn the other cheek
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: but I'm working on it
Atheist142: cool cool
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you'd do the same thing if you were in my position
Atheist142: self-control is one of my strong points
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: if you loved God as much as I do, turning the other
cheek would be your weak-point
Atheist142: If I loved God as much as you do, I would be more than
eager to do his bidding.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I am
Atheist142: well then, if I am good at self-control, the laws involving
that would be easy for me
Atheist142: although I am sure I'd have problems with other ones
:-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: hrm...I had tremendous self control until I became
Christian, because only then was I offended by the blasphemous things people said.
Atheist142: hmm. I also don't get offended easily
Atheist142: :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you said you were once Christian, correct?
Atheist142: yeah
Atheist142: It bugged me, but instead of being angered, I stopped
listening to them.
Atheist142: like "okay, change channel, stop watching."
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I can't just stop listening to them. They seem to follow
me around everywhere I go, begging for me to do something about that.
Atheist142: *shrug* tis easily to see everyone doing that in a
monotheistic religion methinks
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: If it was His will, I'd be willing to line everyone up who
does such things and thump em all in the eye.
Atheist142: but it isn't.
Atheist142: his will, I mean
Atheist142: right?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I'm aware of that.
Atheist142: I don't like violence
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I don't like violence, however I do like confrontations.
Atheist142: those I can go with
Atheist142: but you speak of violent acts
Atheist142: that I don't like... but that's just my opine
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Sheesh, I don't just go around picking on people
Atheist142: I know
Atheist142: I am very anti-violent :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I don't pick on anyone. Never have, never will. People
speaking of things like that is the only thing that could anger me to the point of
violence.
Atheist142: well, I do not like violence
Atheist142: regardless of the reason.
Atheist142: I'm anti-violent. :-P
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: as am i
Atheist142: you still are willing to do something unnecessarily
violent.
Atheist142: or at least seem too...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: If it is God's will
Atheist142: but it is not, though. and you seem to be willing
regardless
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: who are you to say that it's not God's will? He punishes
for wrongdoings. Maybe I am there punishment.
Atheist142: well, the bible says "turn the other cheek" and such
Atheist142: and I don't think there is a God, so I think all people
who claim "god's will" are mistaken...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you used the wrong capitalizations.
Atheist142: I know
Atheist142: reverse them
Atheist142: :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: It should be that you don't think there is a god, so you
think all people who claim "God's will"
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: heh
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I claim God's will, because I'm God's child. I have a
personal relationship with him just as I do my mother.
Atheist142: that is cool...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: The reason I know he's real is that I talk to him all the
time. I have conversations and he speaks back to me. However, I've never seen him.
It's quite exciting having a friend who's your Saviour and you can't even see em.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: On a more earthly note, it's like...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Text based RPGs. MUDS. (Multi-user dungeons) You
play, but there are no pictures. I find if more fun that way. I like it better with
words instead of colorful pictures.
Atheist142: hmm
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: but perhaps that's just my perspective. All Christians
have their own reasons, encounters, experiences and such
Atheist142: yeaah
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: haha
Atheist142: hm?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you made a mistake and this guy didn't catch it
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Atheist142: no, you just need to take geography...
Atheist142: a circle is a two-dimenstional figure... it's flat. a sphere is a
three-dimensional figure... it's
round.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: You don't learn about shapes in geography.
Atheist142: aah... geometry!
Atheist142: math, not history :-P
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: heh, yep
Atheist142: hehehe
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: So, have you had any religious convos other than ours
sense we last spoke?
Atheist142: yeah, but i think nonly Muslims...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Muslims eh? Did they try to do what I'm trying to do?
Atheist142: what are you trying to do, depends :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Convert you to my way of thinking
Atheist142: yes, basically...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Am I doing a good job?
Atheist142: you're not really succeeding in converting me
Atheist142: but you're a nice person :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: hrm...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: What would you want to hear from me in order for me to
make a difference in your life?
Atheist142: you mean in order for me to becoe a Christian?
Atheist142: become
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I suppose
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Is there anything I could do or say?
Atheist142: I'd either need conclusive physical evidence, a logical
train of thought, or my own personal experience to become a
christian
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I'll pray for you to have that experience.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Conclusive physical evidence...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: like what? you want something from the Bible to turn
up or come true?
Atheist142: I need the bible to demonstrate that it is "the Word of
God"
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: explain what you mean please
Atheist142: well, if the Bible is the Word of God, and if God is
perfect as described in the Bible, then the Bible would need to be
perfect
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Well, you must understand that there are many
different interpreatations of the Bible.
Atheist142: well, only one original, right?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Yes, but how can you be sure that you're reading the
original?
Atheist142: you must make sure yourself.... and if you cannot take
all parts of the Bible literally, then why is it the "Word of God"
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I do take all of the parts of the Bible literally.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Each and every word.
Atheist142: hmm...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Oh, are you speaking of Christians in general?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Or directly to me?
Atheist142: well you said something about "different
interpretations"
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: There are many.
Atheist142: I don't think you should "interpret" the bible...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Neither do I.
Atheist142: that is cool :-)
Atheist142: hmm...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Slightly switching the subject...if the Bible is in some
ways contradictory, it is because that the stories are told by different people of their
own experiences.
Atheist142: hmm... can you hang on a sec?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: absolutely
Atheist142: what about Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Atheist142: ?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: One sec, let me get my Bible.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: What does that have to do with what I said?
Atheist142: well... do you believe that to be accurate?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: The story of the kid being stoned...do you always refer to
that?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Has no one ever explained that to you?
Atheist142: they have, but not to my satisfaction
Atheist142: they always say "we don't have to make those
sacrifices because Jesus died for us"
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: What have they said?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: hrm...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: That is true
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: But...
Atheist142: but in Matthew 15:4, he reiterates the commandment to
kill children for cursing their parents, it seems
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: things were waaay different back then. According to
Biblical scholars, consequences were much much more drastic.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: give me one second to look that one up
Atheist142: but if the Bible is appropriate for all times (and if not,
why is it still referred to today?), then it should apply forever, right?
Atheist142: ok
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: who says cursing means swearing?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: you can't interperate it however you want
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: No, times change. Sometimes for better, sometimes for
worse.
Atheist142: well, I think that the bible is at the most (and the
absolute MOST) an inefficient holy bok because of it
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: In this case, I can't determine whether that's what
happened. Even if it did, I'd think it's worse, because we have lazy Christians.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Is that so?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: And what makes everything else more efficient?
Atheist142: "everything else" isn't really that much more efficient
that I can see, either
Atheist142: (note: I am an atheist :-))
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: You just said you found It to be the most inefficient holy
book. What makes it more inefficient?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I quote, "Abosolute MOST". You didn't have to put it
like that.
Atheist142: I apologize, I meant that the absolute highest opine I'd
have of it would be as an inefficient holy book
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: opine meaning opinion?
Atheist142: yeah... pardon my weird vocabulary :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: so you're saying that the at the most, you think it's an
inefficient holy book?
Atheist142: the most I would ever think of it...
Atheist142: if I was a Christian
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I'm quite offended.
Atheist142: and believed in the Bible
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I'll be back in a moment.
Atheist142: okies
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Back
Atheist142: wb
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Where did you come from?
Atheist142: what do you mean?
Atheist142: America...
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Where do you think you came from? I'm not trying to
be funny.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I don't mean your parents.
Atheist142: I seriously think that I came from my parents... other
than that I don't know what you mean.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: So you just popped up in a hospital one day?
Atheist142: well, my parents had sex
Atheist142: and then I developed in the wonb
Atheist142: and I was born (I am not going to go into any other icky
details of that :-P)
Atheist142: and there I was
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: i don't want those kinds of details
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: How were the first humans created?
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Or how did they appear?
Atheist142: oh. that is rather different. :-)
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: That's what I meant to begin with, I just assumed you
understood
Atheist142: ah... well I apologize for the misunderstanding.
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: No problem
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: Answer my question tomorrow
Atheist142: oh... ok
HeAdBaNgErWiLlIe: I've gottta go
Atheist142: well, for a quick answer, evolution... but I willt alk to you
tomorrow
