Anyyway, can you please tell the comp.sys.amiga.games users to please keep the level of quake talks to private email , because now it is getting a bit out of hand, espically when that stupid idiot emailed idsoftware, not a smart thing to do, if idsoftware does or did find out about us, forget about quake for the amiga, we will stop the [production of it, just tell most of them to stop acting childish or impatient, and wait. you can capture this and paste it straight to the newsgroup and show them, just dont give them my email address. Tell them also if they respect the amiga, then not to bug the soiftware houses, (the newsgoup that is)... thanks alot for all your help tim, and do keep intouch with me, tell the newsgeoup to divert all there attentions to your private email, and I will keep you up to date with the details. thanks, cya DC Crew