This interview is taken from: Lords of Metal Webzine
Hail Kanwulf! Could you give
the readers of Lords of Metal a short introduction to NARGAROTH and yourself?
Today is November 19th, 2004; at 8 o clock a.m. To your question, I think there
is not much to say. For whom NARGAROTH is unknown until now, it's his own fault.
My musically walked ways started even in the GDR (German Democratic Republic),
which "died" in the beginning of the 90's last century. I had to go to
take some piano lessons because of my mother's orders. There I had begun to
write poems. But somehow something was missing. I had the words, I had the voice
and so I had those two dimensions. The piano I played didn't fit well to the
poems. Short after the break down of the socialistic system of the GDR I got an
old country bass guitar, which I own and use until today on my albums. I started
to learn how to use that thing and in my adolescence seeking for extremes I
screamed to words I wrote as poems down once. As picture image I guys standing
in the kitchen playing an old distorted Bass Guitar screaming his lyrics. So in
the beginning that project I later named NARGAROTH was nothing more than a
leisure-time activity. I was more interested in girls or go swimming or camping
or driving without driver licence with my mothers Trabant (an old non luxurious
car from the GDR) or I stole some small motorcycles and drove around until the
tank was empty. Such stupid things. But over the years I felt unable to have
conversations with myself in a developing meaning. So my music I created became
that opportunity to talk to, to come in relationship to myself. To understand
what drives me on, what rules my desires and behaviours? But that fact, I
recognized very later, I think first in 1999/2000. Before I think I thought and
used to be grim and evil. Sure my intention to express myself was there, but I
didn't see this fact clearly at this time.
You have a new CD out called 'Prosatanica Shooting Angels'. Are you satisfied
with the result? How have been the reactions so far? Who or what is Prosatanica?
As always with NARGAROTH releases, that album splits the minds of the fans. For
one it's a good one, for others its crap. But unfortunately most of those guys
are too stupid to cross their borders, which got set by my albums
"Herbstleyd" or "Black Metal ist Krieg". Those two albums
get always taken as comparison to new albums, but that never can work, because
every single release of NARGAROTH will and must be different and never
comparable to previous and future releases.
You use a couple of samples on this CD. From which movie(s) do they come?
What other media influence the creation of your music?
That thing doesn't matter! I don't understand why people and fans are interested
into the sources.
I think the production of 'Prosatanica Shooting Angels' sounds very poor. I
get the impression that this is deliberate. Could you explain your intentions by
producing this CD the way you did?
I could imagine that my next words break the illusions of many pro-NARGAROTH
readers. But exactly that was my intention with this album!! But you want
answers, so you'll get them! This album is besides "Geliebte des
Regens" (Beloved of the Rain) my favourite one! Because of the
circumstances it got recorded, the history or background and the intentions that
came to birth during the 12 hour recording session.
Originally these songs were planned for a side project I wanted to make. It's
name PROSATANICA SHOOTING ANGELS. The logo, with the 2 staked angels left and
right, of this side project I placed on the bottom card of the so called
NARGAROTH album and on the back of the shirt. But after the recording session I
reminded me on some lines I wrote in the booklet of the "Black Metal ist
Krieg" album with the content, that I prefer not doing a side project
because NARGAROTH is in me as I am in it. And in respect to the sad fact of many
spoken or written but not always respected words by myself in my life, I decided
myself not to make that mistake again. And so it became an unplanned NARGAROTH
album.
At the beginning of the side project, I had no idea how to make it. All I knew
was to make it quite faster than I usually create songs. I went into my small
studio in my apartment were I created and recorded all my releases until today,
and around 12 hours later I left it with a whole album in my hands. The songs I
wrote during the recording session itself. I just played something to the drum
lines and when I liked it – I used it. Sometimes during the recording of the
guitar lines, I made playing-mistakes and tried to smooth them by playing
something else. And so I found new connection riffs to 2 different main
melodies. And I made some experiments I usually never do! In the end of the song
"Satan Industries" you hear a kind of synthetic noise. But that is my
distorted Bass Guitar tapped just the upper string in the 4th or 5th segment. I
can't remember right now. And everything you hear that sounds like a keyboard is
even my Bass Guitar, just playing the main accord louder mixed than the rest.
Nothing else and I love it! And the "poor" sound I made this way
because I wanted it. And in my eyes – about a good HiFi or Stereo, you will
hear it's a great sound. The scene became too spoiled by good productions and
fat sounds. That is no mark for BM!
The lyrics I wrote all down in 50 minutes. I didn't want some very deep going,
but dark and not typical words. I reminded me on earlier considerations about
the topic of an always hating, everything destroying Satan. I found that
imagination of Satan stupid since I heard that story the very first time. I
could not imagine that some one who once got loved by some one hates all the
time and shit. It seemed more believable for me, that a person or a thing that
made the experience of real love is crying at night when no one is watching him,
because of lost and missed line to the well feeling of loving and getting loved.
And that the so called "Evil Face" is nothing more than a shield to
hide that pain before the world. And sure, I took as comparison my own treatment
to myself and others in that same situation, where, I am sure, everyone was in
before in his life. And so I wrote a song about that. But the feelings are not
going too deep. It is just a song and my considerations about the always as
evil'n shit described Satan.
The first song of that album just describes my consideration to the only satanic
thing that is useful in life – do what you want should be the only law. I
think that a caged soul or a chained mind will wither and die over the years
when you lock it away from your desires. That's all and even no wisdom! Just a
song. The Intro name and sound came from my experience that the so called Love
is always over after the ejaculation, if you're having sex with a One Night
Stand or a new girl you conquered at a concert or where ever. I see the boys
talking to some chicks and how they are playing something like hypocritical
interest for her words, but in their head these guys only see a cum-shoot
between her legs. They play comprehension for her attitudes and views and listen
to boring story of other guys, Make Up and bands she is listening to, only to
make themselves attractive as "partner you can also talk with" and
shit like this. But the real intention is quite more primitive. I even knew this
behaviour from me. I was listening to boring stories until my eyes almost shut
down and so on, but I the only thing I really wanted was to make her
ecstatically scream. But over the years I saw the non-honourable point in that
behaviour and stopped it. The other reason was that never a respectful
relationship rises from moments like this! And if you become older, affairs are
quite nice, but satisfy not your wishes for safety or even a family.
The two ambient songs I made because I have sometimes under the influence of
light drugs inspirations of sitting on the ground of a sea or the ocean in total
darkness and hear only small sounds of living and I'm thinking. I got that
imagined picture from the book "Killermachine", were a robot walked
down to a seas ground and started thinking about his existence and he made
experiences of meeting other life forms besides human. The other ambient song I
just made, because I wanted it. There are no deeper intentions for making it. I
took the end theme of an old semi-horror movie and cut in some spoken words of a
devils actor. I brought his words in a sense making order and named it like the
movie is named.
"Hunting
Season" is even no deep meaning stuff. I was a sharpshooter at the army and
so I made a -non deep meaning- song about sniper stuff. The last song is besides
all the others important for me, because he reflects my momentary state of mind
development. And he tells me all the time not to give up, even if I as a man
made mistakes. "Black blasphemic…" I made because I know that what
ever happens with me, if I die or become crazy or even worse things, that I hide
my (im)mortal soul and thoughts inside my art. During the lyrics I wrote and the
great opportunity I have in our time - to record them and to manifesting them on
LP, Tape or CD. So I become immortal as long as someone reminds me and listen to
the words I long written down.
But in conclusion it was quite strange how I did all. I had a good time in my
studio under some light drugs and some Tequila. And this is why that album is
important for me. Usually I am very strict how all has to sound, and all must be
in the way I want it and there are no degrees of freedom for all things that got
used. But this time I was very relaxed and took the things the way they came. No
torturing deeper intention haunted me. It's just some metal.
Besides all this circumstances I had to do things that made me angry in the
matter Black Metal Scene and too many pseudo NARGAROTH Fans! That's why I made
the things they are in sound and in respect to the booklet, in artwork and
hidden messages in the booklet.The scene is full of newcomers and poor minded BM
"philosophers". They set rules that shake the foundations or the roots
of this art. They create all the time new definitions of BM. At best, two times
each year. They bring a destroying chaos into the scene and into this art. I
know that well, because some years I was one of them too. But in opposite to
this poor minded non-metallic idiots, I and many other old ones stayed in that
art and we have to be in that chaos they left because they are out of their for
extremes seeking adolescence or they became married or what ever. But it's hard
to separate them before they leave again this art. I think that only those
prevail in our art, which already have or seek truly and honestly for
information's. Those who have – are the old ones, those who truly seek –
gonna stay maybe.
Many things I wrote in the booktlet can be and got only understand by those guys
I mentioned above. I know that only few understand what is really meant by the
words "No Dark Throne". That it has to be considered very carefully
how I wrote the band name and where it got written that way! Until today only 2
persons recognized this word-game. And such things I love! I often do things
like this, which the idiots don't recognize and separate them from the good
ones. I made things like this before. Once I made a Demo called "Fuck of
nowadays Black Metal". I took a song as outro which is quite popular and
every Metalhead should understand that it sure is a cover song and not an own
song from NARGAROTH. So I put that as instrumental version on the LP and called
him "Nortam Sagro". After this LP was under the people, I heard so
many voices that I steal riff s 1:1 from other bands. Everyone screamed the
instrumental outro is the song "Orgasmatron" from MOTÖRHEAD. They
said they got the proof that I steal guitar riffs from MOTÖRHEAD.
Right here – right now I say: can it be true, that the whole scene is so damn
stupid, that they don't understand the "joke" and are unable or too
stupid to read the song name "Nortam Sagro" backward? I should name
the next NARGAROTH album "Fuck off BM scene".
But besides this more hidden meaning are there 2 other more open problems I have
with the cult position of DARKTHRONE in the heads of the people. A second point
to this slogan and to the album which is not so important and deep is - if you
listen to the music, the slogan seems more than strange and even ridiculous. My
intention to this second point was to doubt on the so called "own"
inspirations of bands, when the music of the band sounds like their in interview
mentioned Faves. And the third intention to this slogan goes in direction to the
all the time sadly not respected beginning days of GORGOROTH! Everyone in the
scene mention DARKTHRONE as Fave and important band. In my eyes GORGOROTH is the
owner of that THRONE! With their first Demo and their first Album with one of
the best BM singer named HAT, they are always even worthy to be named!
Similar as I made it with the "No Dark Throne Fan" line, there are
many things I made to separate the idiots from the Metalheads. Other examples
are: Only old guys know what is meant with the words "Black and blasphemic
Death Metal". These are quite famous words in BM history known only by
older. Or the fact that I putted Bands likes AZHUBHAM HAANI under the Thought
about Death Cocks rubric. Some small minded BM fags wrote me, why I could do
such a "sacrilege" to put a "pioneer of BM" under a DM
rubric. I couldn't stop laughing, although this is a very sad state! If they
would know AZHUBHAM HAANI longer than from my Black Metal ist Krieg album they
should know it! Fuck those losers! Another message is the photo of my person in
the booklet and the so fucking stupid gun in my hand. I hate this fucking poser
kids with their boring evil poser pictures with no atmosphere and vibes. They
say it shows their true face…oh boy that pains sure in the head. Such nonsense
and the inflationary use of the (un)holy attributes of BM destroys the once very
important accessories of BM!!! That's why I made this fucking stupid Picture and
I underlined it with the words "Poser Picture from Kanwulf…". If
someone uses it, please stay to the points of being a poser, or make it
honourable or let it fucking be! We need Metalheads to survive and no Halloween
crap!
Well there are much more hidden things I will not list here, because it will be
too long. I also don't want to explain anything here, because I want to see
longer who is who and who is worthy in the scene. And as long as I get questions
like "Who is Erik you mentioned in you "Black Metal ist Krieg"
album?" or as long as I hear "The drummer on your "Black Metal
ist Krieg" album is not so true, because he is laughing on the 2 small
pictures of him in the booklet" (meant were the private pictures of Erik on
the booklet pages to the songs I dedicated him), I say – Make your fucking
Homework's!
I think a good cover very important; it really makes no difference to the
music, but it just looks great. The cover of 'Prosatanica Shooting Angels' is
almost too beautiful. Where does it originate from? How do you choose your
covers?
I cannot say what my inspirations for the covers are. Maybe it is a song or a
vision I have. But I agree totally that a cover artwork and the booklet must fit
to the music. Both create an atmosphere. And the booklet triggers your mood
before listen the sound. Regarding to PSA, this is a second reason why I like
this release. This is the first and only release of NARGAROTH, where everything
is different to other albums before, especially in the artwork. Take a look at
the Bottom card. All the time I made them as I prefer them: the NARGAROTH Logo
above in the middle and the song title centred down below. That didn't changes
since the first Release. This time I changed it. That is no big deal, yes. But
that album is so totally different at all and I never make that again that way.
And in fact again to all idiots out there only listen to and waiting for a
second "Black Metal ist Krieg" album – If you would read my words
you wouldn't surprised by the always changing things in my albums, because there
I wrote: There will be more expressions of myself which could not be more
different and strange. Hence in all I am me, and I am in Nargaroth, as is
Nargaroth in me. No compromise...
How does a typical NARGAROTH song come into existence? In what order do you
write the music and lyrics?
I just let my emotions, my attitude and my imaginations rule the way of my work.
I do what I want! That's all! And the backgrounds are my emotions. I am a man
and I feel. I have emotions that lead me through life. And to get a conversation
about those feelings I use the art and the music. And of course my development
as man and the solutions and thoughts about my life, I transform into imagined
pictures which lead to words, I write down mainly and preferred as poems. This
should be normal for every musician. But the fact that this is considered many
times as special, shows me, that this is quite rare and the main force of bands
create only empty shells without meaning. This is the reason why BM is dead
since years!
I am very sad and a little ashamed to admit that I have missed your
performance in august at Baroeg in Rotterdam this year. I gathered from a couple
of forums that most of the visitors enjoyed your performance. How did you
experience it? Do you like to perform live? When will you be performing in
Holland again?
It was o.k. the mood was good, the people seemed to be hot for seeing me. It was
a gig that's all. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I wish to stay alone. I cannot
make a clear answere, which changes from day to day. In Holland again? Sure, but
not before end of next year.
I have looked all around the Internet, but could not locate your website: I
gather you don't have one. Is that deliberately?
Full of shame and anger – I have none. But I would like to have one, because
of news and information for the people. But I have no idea how to make that
thing because I am a novice in the matter of computer stuff. And I also don't
want a cheap page with poor pictures and no information value. If you know
someone or some one well educated it this work read this can contact me.
How is the black metal scene in Germany? Do you know any interesting bands
whose name you would like to mention here?
I feel nothing good about the B.M scene. And this since years and I rejected me
from all this shit after my "Black Metal ist Krieg" release. In 2000 I
was quite involved into the BM scene. I had more contacts to people I ever had
before in my life. Many times my attitude crashed into the attitude of others
and I wasn't willing up to that time to accept thoughts different to mine. I had
an ideal from BM and the way their member has to be. I found none who could
stand my judgement. Besides that very egocentric view, the scene and the bands
mostly were terrible. On concerts I had to see shaming things of band members,
which I will not mention here because there will not be space enough for. But
the treatment of the persons to each other and the envy which grasps around the
bands let me look with disgust to the members of an art, which once had the
opportunity to stay special and intentionally deep.
Today I separate some individuals out of the masses to consider them as good.
Although I must stand that this year, 2004, I came back some times to concerts
or better, meetings. And its o.k. as long as I am there as person and not get
seen as Kanwulf who has to answer all the times boring questions. And my
feelings for the experiences are once again more than ambivalent. I take as a
self experiment to look how I feel with that.
For an example: At the most recent Live Gig in Innsbruck/Austria on October
16th, 2004, which was the best gig I ever made and it was the best planned one,
the first time I've been on stage as Ash without my Kanwulf-Outfit, performing
my art as man. I also was the first time in the crowd. And this was a kind of
experiment for me. At former shows I gave a shit about the persons. But after
the Belgium gig on March 16th, 2002 I recognised that some of these people took
very long travels to see Nargaroth. I was the same In Austria too. I think I had
to respect the power and energy which some of the visitors had to bring up to
come to this place to see Me! I talked with some of'em and sometimes I met smart
people. Now I will see how I feel with my new behaviour. If I feel well, I'll
maybe continue, if not I return back to old behaviour of retreat or I change to
new experimental behaviour and the experiment of making new experiences goes on.
For Nargaroth – it does not belong the nowadays B.M. scene!!! Unfortunately
belonging also not to the old scene, because I haven't released anything worthy
before 1998 (Herbstleyd). There I was just a fan. I consider myself with my
releases after "Black Metal ist Krieg" as musician or songwriter,
belonging to no scene. Scenes setting borders. And I can't accept border in my
music. What ever I want to do, I will do. And in fact, I stated more than one
time: Nargaroth does not play Black Metal!! Although I know that the main force
who listen to Nargaroth are coming from the persons belonging to this scene. And
Nargaroth will be sure always labeled as Black Metal.
What does the future of NARGAROTH look like? What are your desires and
ambitions?
To release all the stuff this is already finished in my head. That is fucking
terrible if you complete your recent album and while you record it, in your head
you are planning and creating the next 3 releases. Already recorded to that
point are the upcoming "Semper Fidelis", than a new and more faster
album in the being of "Erik, may you rape the Angels" that's not named
yet and the almost finished "Raise again the thousand Swords".
And there is a song that I recorded through the recording session for the
"Herbstleyd" album called "Left Behind in Suicide". He gets
released as Pic 7" I think, because he is very different to the things I do
usually and does not fit to any release. He was planned for
"Herbstleyd" and later for "Rasluka - Part II", but it
didn't work to put 2 different styles together. So he stud and stays alone. It
was the song which was originally dedicated to my dead friend! And in my eyes,
that's the only one for that intention!
But more private I hope to pick up my Chevy or my Chopper bicycle and get on the
road with my sleeping bag and some good old road songs, to conquer all things I
haven't seen yet.
We have come to the final part of this little interview. I have a couple of
so-called or-statements. Please choose one of each. You do not have to explain
your choice; you may of course if you really want to. It is just some silly
thing I came up with and I would like to see if and how it works.
Coffee or tea: I prefer any kind of tea!
God or Satan: Both
Black or white: Both
Day or night: Both
Left or right: None
Ham or cheese: Cheese!
Man or woman: Woman
Snakes or ladders: Snakes
Young or old: Young
Flora or fauna: Both
Optimist or pessimist: Optimist (I hope so, or? Fuck - that sounds more
pessimistic)
Cart or horse: Horse
Up or down: Up
Car or bike: Bike!
Walk or run: Walk
Knife or fork: Knife
Spider or fly: None
Thank you for your time and energy. I will leave the final words to you…
I am interested how the readers will (if they will) understand what I wrote, or
if again the stupid ones open their worthless mouth to yell their gossips. But I
know that the main force in BM scene is not poor minded, but psychic very
deformed and that they distort the information they get, so that they fit to
their imagination how the world runs and works. That's much easier than to
change yourself or your thoughts and attitudes. But that keeps you away from the
opportunity to develop and to become an honourable man, woman or even being.
This will be the sick energy for the survival and to the decline for the art BM.