Obedience

  • Obedience is defined by Webster as "Being submissive to the control or authority of another; State of being obedient.


  • Obedience as one of the 12 Virtues Being obedient to God is the first and foremost act in submission to doing His will. This is reflected in being obedient to one's parents as well as in the natural order of being obedient to your laws and your employer. Again reflected in the obedience of a pupil to the teacher. In the super natural order it is reflected in the obedience to the church in which is our salvation. Odedience to ones superior, to one's bishop, and to ones Pope.
    Obedience imposes obligations of those in command and who direct and guide. There can be right or wrong use of authority, there can be abused power which can be a detriment to the subject. These examples carry severe punishment in which authority is abused.


  • Peter 1: 22 "Having purified your soul by your odedience to the truth for a sincere love of the breathern, love one another earnestly from the heart".


  • Obedience is, according to St Thomas Aquinas, is a secondary virtue, as it may also be a vice, depending opon the object to which it is directed. Obedience to evil is not a virtue. Obedience to the New Order religion is surely a vice,as it goes against both fonts of the Deposit of Faith: Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition.


  • Faith is not based upon on Obedience, but upon grace, reason, and will.


  • Obedience to the Pope According to Vatican I dogmatically states that the Pope has no athority to teach "novam doctrinam" ( new doctrine), but must religiously guard "traditiam per apostolos revelationem seu fidei depostitum" (revelations transmitted through the Apostles, or the Deposut of Faith). This is called Apostolic Tradition.


  • Obedience to the 10 Commandments Being odedience to the Commandments is the will of God. Any disobedience to these laws given to us by God will cause grave sin and can condemn one's soul.


  • Obedience to the Bishop In certain cases where the bishop does not follow the request of the Holy Father as in the case of allowance of the Traditional Mass as stated in Motu Proprio "Ecclesiae Dei" in liberal application, then you should be obedient to the Holy Father and can attend any recognized Traditionl Mass such as the Society of Pius X. (CFN - Jul 2003)


  • Example of self communication: Pope John Paul II Strongly disapproved of the practice personally and in the German tour in Nov. 1980 stated Even though there was a letter of special permission for Communion in the hand, He (JPII) was not in favor and would not recommend it. Here is another point where if you are obedience to the Bishop, you are disobedient to the Holy Father. (also obedience to the devil because it profanes the body of Christ)


  • Obedience to Council of Trent: Is listed as the Document of Catholic Dogma by Vatican I as well as Vatican II. Anything found in these document should be adhered to according to our Faith and in accordance with the Apostolic Tradition. (Traditional Roots)


  • Obedience to Vatican I Dogmatic Council assembled undr Pope Pius IX, Called by order of Bull "Aeterni Patris" 29 June 1868. Ended 20 Oct 1870. One of the main principals is the Definition of Infallibity of the Pope. This document is dogmatic and should be followed.


  • Obedience to Vatican II Pastorial Council Called by Pope John XXIII on Oct 11, 1962 and Completed by Pope John Paul II on Nov 18, 1965. The only part of Vatican listed as dogmatic is the document "Dei Verbum". (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation) The document starts with the statement " In the footsteps of the Council of Trent and Vatican I". Para 5 Quotes St. Paul and "obedience of faith" (Rom. 13:26 see 1:5; 2 Cor. 10:5-6)is to be given to God...etc. Actually when you look at the scriptual references it is stated that "obedience is to Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete. This document need only be observed when not in conflict with any documents in any of the dogmatic councils. The Pope has not spoken "ex-cathadra" in reference to this document.


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