Nashid wrote:

Many people are both misguided and confused regarding the treatment of women in Islam. They believe the media portrayal and they confuse Islam with the actions of men who are male chauvinist pigs. What I would like to ask them is: "Have you ever studied Islam and see for your self what it says about women? I bet one million dollars that you have not. But yet you act as an authority going from the lies posted in the media and the poor examples of Muslims portrayed by some men in the Islamic world and you say AHA THIS IS ISLAM!" Now pay attention and learn what Islam teaches about women:1. The Prophet Muhammad taught that the Muslim father who educates his daughters will go straight to heaven. Why would he have to say that? He was coming from a society that buried their female baby daughters alive and thought that it was only great to have sons. Also it shows the value that God places on the importance of women being educated. It shows that Islam expects intellectual contributions from women.

Kreplach wrote:

THE ONLY TROUBLE IS THAT THE MODERN ISLAMISTS IGNORE THEIR OWN PROPHET...AND KEEP WOMEN BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT!

Nashid wrote:

You miss the point kreplach. If I were to say the Christian's Playboy or Hustler magazine would I be correct? My point is for you to drop the word Islamists when referring to the actions of men who may be male chauvinist pigs. Their actions have no basis in the teachings of Islam like Hustler and Playboy magazines have no basis in the teachings of Christ. Although portrayed larger than life with the intent of demonizing Islam the percentage of men who do what you wrote is very low in the Muslim world.

Kreplach wrote:

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE. FUNDAMENTALISM DOESN'T REPRESENT ISLAM BUT IT DOMINANTS IT. THEIR ACTION HAVE MUCH EFFECT ACROSS THE WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD. MUCH MORE THAT NUDIE MAGAZINES HAVE IN THE WEST!

Nashid wrote:

What you mean is your media portrayal of what you call fundamentalist Islam is dominant in western minds. Your terminology of "fundamentalist" I don't accept like so many other terms like "anti-semite". What you call fundamentalism is a basic need to protect Islamic culture and values from the corruption and immorality of the west. At the same time the technology, scientific and wholesome contributions from the west are embraced by Muslims. Although portrayed larger than life with the intent of demonizing Islam the percentage of men who do what you wrote is very low in the Muslim world.IN YOUR ROMAN CATHLOIC IDYLLIC VIEW!HOW IDEALISTIC, NAIVE AND DOFMATIC YOU ARE!!!Your horns are showing! You and your people have worked hard to perpetuate a false image. When the light of truth dispells it you just foam at the mouth while your horns grow.2. The Prophet said, "Heaven is at the feet of the mother." This shows the great importance of women to society. How she raises her children can bring about heaven for a society if she raises them correctly.

KrepIach wrote::

AS LONG AS SHE STAYS AT HOME SHE IS FREE TO DO WHATEVER SHE LIKES.

Nashid wrote:

Go listen to one of your Jewish Mamas Dr. Laura. She too recognizes the God given role and great responsibility of women for raising children. Unlike your lying statement a woman and also a man is not free to do whatever they want at home or abroad. They are free to act in a way that is not harmful to themselves or others. If not they will be locked up for murder, theft, rape and other vices. YEP ONLY WHEN WOMEN SEEK FREEDOM FROM THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE THEY RAPED AND MURDERED> EG PAKISTAN. AFGHANISTAN, SUDAN, IRAN, THE DRUSES, SAUDI ARABIA ETC.......Not only do you spread lies and associate anything happening in Islamic countries to Islam, you actually believe your lies. Simply amazing!If Islam gives women the right to own property, vote, and other freedoms how would she be able to do all those things if she only stayed at home? Not that staying at home is a bad thing. My home is my castle and I love to be in it as much as possible. Now I am speaking as a man.3. The Prophet was asked, "Who in this world should be loved more than anyone else?" He answered, YOUR MOTHER. He was asked then who next? He answered, YOUR MOTHER. Again he was asked who after that? He answered, YOUR MOTHER. And again he was asked who after that? Then he said, YOUR FATHER. If that does not emphasize the importance of a woman to all of us I don't know what will.

Kreplach wrote:

THIS WARRIOR CULTURE LOVES THE MOTHER AND HATES THE FATHER WHO MUST BE OVERTHROWN BY THE SON.CERTAINLY THE MOTHER MUST BE CHERISHED AND HELD DEAR WITHIN A PRISON SET UP BY MEN.

Nashid wrote:

First of all Islam means peace. We would fight like hell against evil to maintain that peace. If you call that a warrior culture then so be it.TO SURVIVE IN ARABIA YOU MUST HAVE A WARRIOR CULTURE!!ISLAM MEANS PEACE FOR THE VICTORS!LOOKING AT MUSLIM HISTORY IT WAS NOT THAT PEACEFUL.Which Muslim history you want us to look at? Your version or the truth! At least it is better than fighting because of what I think someone may do as in Iraq.SO GIGHTING IS OK. PEACE WHAT PEACES..PIECES MAYBE!Maybe peace means pieces of Palestinians for you cruel zionist bastards but it means fighting in self defense for Muslims. Yes...we will FIGHT and slay your evil butts wherever we find you. By emphasizing the importance of mother does not mean hate the father. Your maligning and misinterpretation is easily seen. The Quran teaches Muslims to "lower your wings to your parents". It emphasizes the importance of kind respectful treatment to both parents.4. The Quran teaches that both men and women can reach the same mental and spiritual heights. It does not make the woman a lesser creature than man in respect to mental and spiritual capabilities. Compare this to how women were and are viewed in western society.

Kreplach wrote:

WOMEN ARE NOT ONLY ALLOWED TO REACH GREAT HEIGHTS IN WESTERN SOCIETY BUT ACTUALLY ACHIVE IN UNLIKE THE RE-FEUDALIZED MUSLIM WORLD.

Nashid wrote:

Should I give you a list of great Islamic women achievers like great mothers, scientists, doctors, etc. in history and now? As an example, not only in Muslim countries but also in the U.S., go to ANY hospital and look through the names of the doctors listed and you will find many Muslim women names. 5. Did you know that in the brief history of maybe about 50 years being free from colonial rule Islamic women were able to accomplish a feat that women in the more than 200 year history in the U.S. have not been able to accomplish? What is that you ask? In 3 Muslim countries, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia women were ELECTED President of their countries. They became the "head honchos" of their countries. How could that be if Islam treats women as "inferior"?

Kreplach wrote:

THEY WERE ACHIEVEING MUCH AS MUSLIMS EMBRACED DEMOCRACY AND SOCIALISM..BUT ARE LOSING TO THE FUNDAMENTALISTS!!THESE WOMEN ACHIEVED POWER THROUGH FAMILY PRESTIGE AND BERING MARRIED TO POLITICIANS NOT THROUGH WOMENS RIGHTS!!

Nashid wrote:

Excuse me kreplach but don't give socialism, democracy and privilege the credit for what was already inherent in Islam. Aisha, the wife of the Prophet demonstrated leadership and scholarship 1400 years ago. YES ! YEARS AGO WHEN ISLAM MEANT ADVANCEMENT.I know your people through the ages worked hard in Muslim countries and the west to destroy the positive movement of Islam. It is good to see that you still acknowledge Islam's greatness. But don't celebrate yet. You have not and never will humiliate Islam!She was the leader of a Muslim community and also the most learned passing on the most Hadiths of any person man or woman in the Muslim world. Your demonization of Islam is so determined that any good done by Muslims is credited to something else. Never Islam.6. Did you know that Islam gave women the right to vote, to own properties and to initiate divorce 1400 years ago long before women in the western world got those rights? When did women get these rights in the U.S.? It was not until the 19th century.

Kreplach wrote:

INDEED ISLAM WAS A LIBERAL CULTURE AT ONE TIME. BUT THE ISLAMIC EVOLUTION IS OVER.....IT IS DECAYING INTO PAGAN REFLECTIONS OF ISLAM...LOOK AT THE WOMAN SENTENCED TO DEATH BY STONING FOR ADULTERY IN NIGERIA! THE MAN WENT FREE!!

Nashid wrote:

Again my focus is not what ignorant people do who call themselves Muslims. We could just as easily blame Judaism for the killing of thousands of innocent Palestinian children by religious Israelis. RELIGIOUS JEWS COMMITTING CRIMES IS NEVER EXCUSED BY JEWS IN GENERAL ESPECIALLY RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES.BUT YOUR "IGNORANT PEOPLE" ARE SANCTIONED BY MULLAHS AND THE LIKE. What you call an Islamic terrorist is a freedom fighter. What you call a crime is an act of liberation. We don't go by your definitions and terminology. I agree that crimes are not excused by Jews. They are rewarded. Your top criminals are given the highest positions in your country.Your statement of " INDEED ISLAM WAS A LIBERAL CULTURE AT ONE TIME." is a recognition of the fact that the pure teachings of the Quran is not what some people in the Islamic world practice. I am telling you that not one letter, word or punctuation mark has changed in those teachings for over 1400 years. So stop associating the great teachings of Islam to the ignorant actions of people.7. Did you know that the veil worn by some women in Islamic countries is not dictated by Islam? Did you know that even the Burga and black Ubayyah dress is cultural NOT Islamic?

Kreplach wrote:

YES PAGAN PATRIARCHIAL DECAY!!

Nashid wrote:

Not Pagan but cultural preference.Read the Quran and study Islamic literature and see what it says. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT ISLAM PUTS ON WOMEN'S DRESS IS MODESTY. Go look at a movie portraying women in the U.S. around the 1900s. You would see that they too dressed modestly. It was not until the immoral influences in society influenced women to take their modest dress off all the way to thongs and make women feel that exposing their bodies to be viewed as sexual objects is a kind of "freedom" did women in the west get rid of their modest dress.

Kreplach wrote:

AMERICAM WOMEN ARE JUST FREEING THEMSELVES OF THEIR BONDS... THEY ARE DISCOVERING THE POWER OF THE FEMININE.MODESTY IS A RESTRICTION INVENTED BY THE OLD PATRIARCHYWHEN YOU ARE FREED YOU WILL TEST THE BOUNDARIES...THE LIMITS OF YOUR NEW DOMAIN...WOMEN ARE DOING tHAT!AS FOR ENFORCED NUDIITY HOW ABOUT HAREMS AND BELLY DANCERS INVENTED BY CORRUPT MUSLIMS.

Nashid wrote:

Being a sex object and a sex slave is NOT freedom. It is an attempt to get men and women to become like dogs. No, equal pay for equal work is more a sign of freedom and equality for women. Not having a need for a feminist movement or ERA for women is a sign of true freedom for women. We agree, "CORRUPT MUSLIMS" invented Belly dancing and Harems. They have nothing to do with the pure teachings of Islam.Islam feels that women have too much value to society for them to be demeaningly viewed as sex objects.8. Getting back to the veil. The veil came into Islamic countries 300 years after the passing of Prophet Muhammad. According to Karen Armstrong: "There is nothing in the Koran about obligatory veiling for all women or their seclusion in harems. This only came into Islam about three generations after the prophet's death, under the influence of the Greeks of Christian Byzantium, who had long veiled and secluded their women in this way. Veiling was neither a central or a universal practice; it was usually only upper-class women who wore the veil. But this changed during the colonial period."

Kreplach wrote:

GREAT! TELL THIS TO THE WOMEN IN BURQAS AND VEILS IN IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, YEMEN, PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN. EGYPT, JORDAN,....YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR VEILS......ER CHAINS!!!

Nashid wrote:

As I said that is cultural not Islamic. The majority of people in those cultures are happy with their way of dress. Who are we to judge them by our standards? Not too long ago western women was covered just as these women are today. A veil or full cover are not chains, but thongs, nude dressing and portraying yourself as a sex object is a demeaning representation of the mind and spiritual gifts of a woman. For both part modesty shows self respect and allows males to view women for the contributions they make from their minds rather than the contributions they make to the "hard ons" men get everytime they see them. I can go on and on with more clarifications of misconceptions, lies and demonization of the true teachings of Islam BOTH by evil people who want to mislead and by dumb so-called Muslims who don't know their religion. But if you want the truth go talk to a Muslim woman. Let her tell you how "oppressed" and unfree she is as a Muslim woman. Go observe the respect and care that her husband and male members of her family and society gives her and the protection they demand for her.

Kreplach wrote:

WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE'LL SAY WITH THE MEN WATCHING HER.. ARE YOU AN IDIOT. THE MINUTE YOU LEAVE...ITS BEAT-THE-WOMAN-TIME!!!

Nashid wrote:

Your obvious maligning and evil portrayal is pathetic. We already know that for the Jew's portaryal of others to be true they have to impersonate them. We are seeing that on this board with the Zaki character.The Prophet said that the foundation of the family is in the woman. And we know that the foundation of any society is in the family. Rather than disrespect the woman, Islam places her on a high pedestal of respect and honor for the dignified being that God has created her to be.

Kreplach wrote:

AND THEY MAKE SURE SHE'S IMPRISONED UP THEIR ON HER PEDESTAL..FAR FROM THE DECISION MAKING DISCUSSIONS OF MEN!!!

Nashid wrote:

Again that is your opinion NOT facts. You can spin all you want but it does not change reality.Western women may think that showing boobs, butts and being Baywatch babes is a symbol of true womanhood. But they are sadly mistaken.

Kreplach wrote:

IN THE WEST WOMEN HAVE ACHIEVED GREAT THINGS AS LEADERS...EVEN AS THET TEST THEIR NEW FOUND FREEDOMS WITH SEX.

Nashid wrote:

You mean their new found perversities about sex given to them by ungodly Jews. We differ kreplach. I accept a moral world without sexual corruption. You don't! Please don't misinterpret me. I do believe in enjoying the blessings of sex to the fullest extent as God intended, but with my wife.Woman means womb of mind. Women are both the physical and mental wombs for the development of all minds in society. As a result they demand more respect than to be treated as sexual objects!

Kreplach wrote:

THE MUSLIM WORLD IGNORES THOSE WITHOUT POWER AND WOMEN ARE WITHOUT POWER EVEN IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED SPIRITUAL WOMBS.

Nashid wrote:

Tell that to the president of Indonesia and Bangladesh. Better yet tell that to the large voting blocks of Muslim women all over the world. Or still even better yet tell that to all the Muslim mothers all over the world. Deceitful Jew you are forever twisting and maligningYOUR BIGOTRY IS ENDLESS AND FILLS IN WHEN YOUR LOGIC FAILS YOU. THOSE BLOCS OF FEMALE MUSLIM VOTERS CAME ABOUT IMITATING WESTERN CULTURE OF THEIR EX-COLONIAL MASTERS! TO REPEAT WITHOUT A STRONG FAMILY TRIBAL CLAN STRUCTURE THE PRESIDENTS OF INDONESIA AND BENGLADESH WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENTS. THE FEMALE LEADER OF INDONESIA IS THE DAUGHTER OF FORMER PRESIDENT SUKARNO!!But she is a woman and duh I thought ALL women were inferior in the Muslim world according to Jew history. My deceitful and ignorant friend please do take the time to study Islam and let the light of truth dispell the darkness in your mind.

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