October 22 2002 at 4:50 PM

by Nashid

Nicolas...I am glad you took the bait. The issue with who is REALLY responsible for 911 need further discussion especially in light of all we see going on today. My responses to your comments are listed below.

Nicolas' response: Not all "muslims" are peaceful followers of their nominal religion, just as not all "christians" are. Therefore there is no reason to deny the nationality or religion of the criminals behind these acts. Instead, say Osama Bin Laden, Mohamed Atta and the rest are not true muslims, rather than live in the fantasy world that they did not do these things. Osama Bin Laden has never denied it since Sept 11 and all the video recordings shown since show that he fully supported the plan and knew about it before hand.

Nashid’s response: You are right. If a so-called Muslim did any wrong I would be the first one condemning that person and saying that his act is not a Muslim act. I am saying point blank that Osama did not do it. No Muslim has anything to gain by this heinous act but Israel and the American war hawks do! From this one act and the sympathy that it garnered they have all the justification they need for Sharon to escalate his war on terrorism in Palestine and for the U.S. to go to war for oil under the banner of fighting terrorism. Look at what Netanyahu said about 911 that “The attack "was good for the Jews, It is very good", said Netanyahu...before he caught himself and amended his statement. Look at how the Israelis were caught on a roof in the vicinity of the WTC while the twin towers were in smoke, celebrating and videotaping the event. They knew the significance. Osama has vehemently denied having anything to do with the 911 attacks on several occasions. I have a copy of the last interview that he gave where he vehemently denied being involved with 911. You need to stop watching TV and believing all the Hollywood manufactured frame-ups about Bin Laden. Isn’t it quite convenient that in a video centric world, the media just “happens” to get videos of Osama admitting all kinds of things? They feed this trash to the dumb gentile masses knowing that you would swallow it whole!

There are so many inconsistencies and strange occurrences surrounding 911 that if our government really wanted the truth they would have seriously investigated. Here are just a few: FBI admitting that they have no evidence linking the 911 hijackers; 60 Israelis caught spying in the U.S. and reported on FOX news to be directly linked to 911 (12/12/01); significant American and United Airlines put stocks purchases before 911 with the majority of purchasers being Jews making millions from this event, suggesting prior knowledge; the American spy Vreeland prediction of 911 months before it happened from a Canadian prison; Odigo warnings to Israelis two hours before the 911 event at the WTC as reported by the Washinton Post and Israeli Ha’aertz newspapers; 4000 Israelis, who were expected to be in the WTC according to the Jerusalem Post on 9/12/01 reported by friends and relatives in Israel, were found missing; Global Hawk technology having the ability to remotely control up to 4 planes which just happens to be the same number of planes that went down on 911; identity of so-called hijackers called to question when many of those named were found to be alive and well in other parts of the world; the black box did not survive but the plastic ID of Muhammad Atta just “happened” to and flew through the burning inferno of the plane and was found just a few blocks away; Pakistan’s ruler who was supposedly shown “proof” implicating Al-Qaeda, is now expressing doubts that Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were responsible alone; Afghanistan, the country that felt the brunt of American blame for 911 just happens to be a very valuable conduit for the huge and highly profitable oil find in the Caspian Sea; and much, much more. Because the U.S. and Israel are so bent on fulfilling their plans, all of these inconsistencies are swept under the table. Our totally compliant media just happens to drop these stories and keep them totally outside of the public view.

Nicolas wrote: David Koresh was not a christian when he opened fire on the ATF at Waco, Jim Jones was not a christian when he ordered the suicide of all his congregation in Jonestown, the Pope was not a christian when he ordered the Crusades or blessed Musolinis tanks. Therefore, stop defending those who call themselves muslims but do not follow the allegedly peaceful precepts of the Koran.

Nashid wrote: I will never defend an evil person regardless of what he calls himself. I never said that if Osama was responsible for 911 I will defend him or that he was right. I said that he did not do it and that is quite different. Killing of any innocent person is wrong! Prophet Muhammad (saaw) forbade his followers from that even to the point of having them be careful about needless killing of plants, insects and animals.

Nicolas wrote: (Mind you, I have read the first 7 chapters of the Koran and it's very negative against Christians and Jews and not very loving to anyone who is not a Muslim. Perhaps it gets better in the later chapters)

Nashid wrote: The Quran is negative against evil, liars, murderers, corruption, hypocrisy and all manner of wickedness. It is not negative about Christians and Jews!!! The Quran is truthful about Christians and Jews. It is the only book that recognizes the goodness of people belonging to other religions. If you read the first 7 chapters of the Quran, as you claim, you will see that early in chapter 2, the Quran states that ANY person believing in God and working righteous deeds will be rewarded by God. It states this in several places in Quran and even points out Jews and Christians directly. Show me where in the Bible or Talmud that people of other religions are pointed out to go to heaven for their good deeds? I say Mr. Nicolas, either you have a Zionist translation of the Quran or you can’t read. I do invite you to prove where the Quran is negative and not truthful about Christians and Jews!

Nicolas wrote: The refusal of a lot of people to admit that some people who call themselves Muslim are amongst the worse people on the face of the planet, is preventing non-muslims from feeling much sympathy toward those innocent muslims that are killed as a result of conflict brought upon by the acts of terror themselves.

Nashid wrote: What is preventing non-Muslims from feeling sympathy for innocent Muslims being killed are the media lies and distortions about Muslims and Islam. Why do you think Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world? It is because the shock that happens when people really find out what Islam really teaches versus the lies are so great that it leads many people to convert! They are shocked that something so beautiful as Islam has been so terribly distorted!

An enlightened non-Muslim world about Islam will be able to make a distinction between Islamic teachings and wrong actions committed by so-called Muslims. They would say this person or these individuals did such and such heinous acts. They will not associate their acts with Islam as they do when judging notorious persons like Al Capone, Hitler, Lucky Luciano, and gangsters and criminals in Christian countries and associating their actions with Christianity and Judaism. Muslims know enough about Christ’s noble teachings to never associate actions of evil so-called Christians to Christ, but ignorant Christians are not so enlightened about Islam. There are bad people in Muslim countries and in non-Muslim countries. I disagree with you though. The worst people on this planet are in Israel and the U.S.

Nicolas wrote: Stand up for truth and denounce the false prophets amongst the Muslim nation. Stop celebrating the loss of innocent western lives in a "now you know what the Palestinians feel like every day" mentality. Build bridges to the christians and jews. Try converting them to Islam through peaceful argument and not invasion and terror.

Nashid wrote: Your words make many assumptions that are false. You assume that Muslims celebrate the deaths of innocent westerners, you assume that Muslims are not building bridges between themselves and people of other faiths, and you assume that Islam converts people by invasion and terror. This does nothing more than show your ignorance and total brain washing. Muslims all over the world expressed deep sympathies for the deaths of innocents in 911. Those people were killed for no other reason than showing up to work. Even in Palestine, many Palestinians held candle light vigils in mourning over the deaths of the innocents on 911. This is true of countries like Iran, Jordan and other Muslim countries. Muslim countries joined Bush’s war on terror because they also were against the innocent killing of civilians by so-called “terrorists”. It is obvious that you don’t know about the tremendous works being done by many Muslims to build bridges with people of other faiths. It is also obvious that you don’t know anything about how Islam spread in India, Africa, Asia and other places. It was not by the sword but by the enlightened teachings and example of Muslims. Even now, since 911 there were more than 34,000 converts to Islam in the U.S. This was as a result of people who became curious about Islam after 911. No terror or invasion was involved.

Contrast the Muslim reaction with the lack of concern the west has shown and is showing for the thousands of innocent Palestinians who are being killed and have been killed by Israel. Contrast the Muslims generous display of love and sympathy with the callous non-concern for the millions of Iraqis who have died in Iraq as a result of sanctions with most of the deaths being innocent children. Now with the unjustified war in Iraq, that death toll is going to increase significantly. Contrast the Muslims prayer vigils, willingness to donate blood to the victims of 911 and Muslim countries active participation in the war on terror with the callous, heartless massacre of more than 20,000 Afghans that Americans cruelly call collateral damage. The outpouring of support from the Muslim world for about 3000 innocents killed on 911 versus the callous, heartless show of concern by the west for the millions of innocent Muslims killed all over the world really shed light on which society is more humane and caring. People of the west are self absorbed. They believe they are the center of the world and only their pain is important. As for a religious guilt complex, Christians and Jews need to examine how their religion has allowed and continue to allow such savage and beastly things to happen by Christians and Jews. What is wrong with their faiths to cause their members to behave so inhumanely barbaric. In regards to spreading their religion by “invasion and terror”, who is it that has invaded Iraq with the most terrorizing military force in human history and is now sending Christian Missionaries to try to convert the Iraqis? The very things you try to accuse Muslims of are being boldly flaunted by the West.

Nicolas wrote: Learn from the wests sorry history. The Crusades were a disgusting low point in western "civilization" that the west is ashamed of. Why do the Muslims continually point to them as a justification for their own evil acts when everyone agrees the Crusades were a rotten, primitive, ignorant and evil thing to do? Do Muslims want those labels attached to themselves too?

Nashid wrote: You know what is said about the word “assume”. It makes as “ass” out of “u” and “me”. Your assumptions are doing just that to yourself and to Muslims. Who and which Muslims are pointing to the crusades as a justification for their acts? No my friend, it is the Christian Zionists and the British and American governments who are pointing to the Mossad frame up of Bin Laden and 911 as a justification for warring against Islam and Muslim countries. They are pointing to 911 as a justification to steal Caspian Sea oil, Iraqi oil and soon to be Iranian and Saudi oil. They are pointing to 911 and other incidents to deliberately malign and go to war against Islam. Before thou speakest get thy facts straight!

Lastly, study the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty attacks, the King George Hotel bombing, the German Disco bombing blamed on Qadhafi and even the recent arrests of Israelis with explosives at the Mexican Congress in Mexico with intent to blow the Mexican Congress up and you will see your 911, Bali bombing and probably more Mossad actions to be blamed on innocent Muslims. I don’t believe Muslims had anything to do with 911. As a dear friend of mine wrote, “Cui Bono”, which is Latin for, “who does it benefit?” When that is asked maybe the right culprit may be found. Call me crazy, I don’t care!!! I think it is time that we start challenging and questioning “terrorists” actions blamed on Muslims. If the Lavon Affair, the planned Mexican bombing and other frame-ups were successful, Muslims would have been blamed for Mossad actions!!! In these situations the Israelis were caught red-handed. How many others did they get away with scott free???

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. There exists a government within the government of the United States. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.... The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own nation could survive.

- Osama Bin Laden (Source: BBC)