MilitantGimp wrote:

It is surely time for moderate Muslims to stand up and be counted. I should like to see them do three things:

1.. All moderate Muslims should unequivocally denounce this barbarism,should condemn it for what it is: the butchery of innocent people,

Nashid wrote:
IF BY BARBARISM YOU MEAN THE SENSELESS DEATHS OF AMERICANS ON 911 THEN ALL MUSLIMS HAVE DENOUNCED THAT. EVEN THE MUSLIMS IN PALESTINE HAS HAD CANDLE LIGHT VIGILS MOURNING THE DEATH OF THE INNOCENTS. THIS MAY SURPRISE YOU BUT EVEN OSAMA BIN LADEN IN HIS OWN WORDS STRONGLY CONDEMNED THIS ACT AS UNISLAMIC. PLAIN AND SIMPLE ISLAM CONDEMNS KILLING OF INNOCENTS!

MilitantGimp wrote:
2. All moderate Muslim citizens of the United States should proclaim
their Americanness, their patriotism, and their solidarity with the families of the victims. They should show their pride in their country by giving blood and other aid to victims and their families.

Nashid wrote:
NOT ONLY IN AMERICA, BUT MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD HAVE GIVEN BLOOD AND MONETARY AID TO THE VICTIMS OF 911. AS FOR AMERICAN MUSLIMS, THEY HAVE BOLDLY SHOWED THEIR SUPPORT AND PRIDE IN THEIR COUNTRY. THE 911 VIGIL HELD IN N.Y. AND THE EVENT SUPPORTING N.Y. RESCUE WORKERS WITH MAYOR JULIANI WAS ATTENDED BY MUSLIMS AND THEY EVEN GAVE PRESENTATIONS THERE.

MilitantGimp wrote:
3. All moderate Muslims should take this opportunity to examine the
tenets of their faith; should look at the Qur'an, recognize its role in the instigation of religious violence, and see it for what it is, a problematical human document reflecting 7th or perhaps 8th Century values which the West has largely outgrown.

Nashid wrote:
MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN EXAMINING THE QURAN FOR 1400 YEARS. WE SEE IT AS THE WORD OF GOD WHICH IS ETERNAL, CONTINUOUSLY RELEVANT AND UNCHANGEABLE. GOD'S WORDS HAS HINDSIGHT AND FORESIGHT. AS SUCH THEY ARE VALID IN THIS TIME AND ALL TIMES. IF YOU WANT MUSLIMS WHO HAVE BEEN EXAMINING THE QURAN FOR 1400 YEARS TO ACCEPT YOUR INCORRECT UNDERSTANDING AND WRONG PRESENTATIONS ABOUT OUR QURAN THEN THAT
WILL NEVER HAPPEN. INSTEAD WE HUMBLY ASK YOU TO ALLOW US TO TEACH YOU WHAT OUR QURAN IS SAYING TO CLEAR UP THE MISTAKES IN YOUR MIND.

MilitantGimp wrote:
While it should not be too difficult for moderate Muslims to accept the need to denounce the violence of Terrorist Tuesday, I am not at all optimistic about their courage or willingness to proclaim their love for their chosen country, the USA, or examine the Qur'an critically.

Too many Muslims are taught from an early age that their first allegiance is to Islam. They are exhorted in sermons in mosques, and in books by such Muslim intellectuals as Dr Siddiqui of the Muslim Institute in London, that if the laws of the land conflict with any of the tenets of Islam, then they must break the laws of the infidels, and only follow the Law of God, the
Shari'a, Islamic Law.

Nashid wrote:
JESUS SAID "RENDER UNTO CAESAR THE THINGS THAT ARE CAESAR'S AND RENDER UNTO GOD THE THINGS THAT ARE GOD'S". MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT GOD AND ISLAM ARE OUR FIRST PRIORITY. EVEN IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES MUSLIMS PUT THEIR RELIGION ABOVE SECULAR CONCERNS. WE BELIEVE IN "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" NOT "ONE GOD UNDER A NATION." THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND ISLAM ARE IN TOTAL AGREEMENT. WE FEEL THAT IT EXHORTS THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED BY OUR CREATOR TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

MUSLIM ALSO KNOW THAT THOMAS JEFFERSON AND JAMES MADISON WERE HEAVILY
INFLUENCED BY ISLAM. THE CONSTITUTION INCORPORATES THE ISLAMIC IDEA OF THE PURSUIT OF EXCELLENCE RATHER THAN THE IDEA THAT MAN IS BORN IN SIN AND ALWAYS SUBJECT TO FLAWS.

MilitantGimp wrote:
It is a remarkable fact that at the time of the Gulf War, a high
proportion of Muslims living in the West supported Saddam Hussein. In the aftermath of the WTC terror, it is now clear from reports in the media that many Muslims, even those living in the West, see these acts of barbarism as acts of heroism; they give their unequivocal support to their hero, Usama bin Laden.

Nashid wrote:
FIRST OF ALL MUSLIMS DON'T SEE SADDAM HUSSEIN AS A TRUE MUSLIM. SADDAM HUSSEIN BELIEVES IN ARAB RACISM NOT THE PURITY OF ISLAM. HE BELIEVES THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD IS THE RESULT OF ARAB GENIUS RATHER THAN A BLESSING FROM GOD THAT MUSLIM WORLDWIDE BELIEVE IN. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ABOUT HIS BA'ATH POLITICAL PARTY THAT ARE FAR FROM ISLAM. NEVERTHELESS LIKE YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR "INNOCENTS", MUSLIMS TOO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE "INNOCENTS" IN IRAQ THAT HAVE
ALREADY PAID AND ARE PAYING A VERY HIGH PRICE AT THE HANDS OF THE U.S. YOU LOST ABOUT 3000 ON 911 THE IRAQI'S HAVE LOST MILLIONS WITH MOST BEING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!

NO MUSLIM NOT EVEN OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS EVER SUPPORTED THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS ON 911. YOU WOULD THINK THAT SUCH AN ACHIEVEMENT WITH DEATHS AND CATASTROPHIE THAT SOME TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS WOULD CLAIM CREDIT LIKE THE WAY HAMAS CLAIMS CREDIT FOR VARIOUS SUICIDE BOMBINGS IN ISRAEL. BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED AND EVEN OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS STRONGLY DENIED INVOLVEMENT AND HAS CONDEMNED THE MASS KILLING OF INNOCENTS. FRANKLY MOST MUSLIMS, INCLUDING MYSELF, DON'T BELIEVE THAT AL-QAEDA AND OSAMA HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911. WE BELIEVE THAT
CROOKED ELEMENTS IN OUR GOVERNMENT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ISRAELI MOSSAD ARE RESPONSIBLE. THEY WERE THE ONES WHO BENEFITTED THE MOST AND USED 911 AS THE CATALYST FOR ALL THEIR ACTIONS TODAY. IF I AM WRONG THEN WHY HAVEN'T THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BEEN SHOWN THE PROOF AND WHY IS BUSH BLOCKING ALL ATTEMPTS FOR A SERIOUS 911 INVESTIGATION?