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Subject: NIGHT CHILLS (COLD FLASHES?)

I  HAVE BEEN READING ALL OF YOUR MESSAGES ON MENOPAUSE.  WHAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IS  ANYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT NIGHT CHILLS.  I AM 49 AND IN MY PERIMENOPAUSAL  STAGE.  I GET ACHES & PAINS IN MY MUSCLES, DEPRESSION, ETC.  COULD SOMEONE  GIVE ME ANY INSIGHT?

Subject: Re:Night Chills
From: DC <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:57:56 -0600

Finally!!!  Someone else who is getting cold!  For 10 months I've gone thru this group looking for advice on "the coldness" and never seen it mentioned. My coldness lasted abt 5 hrs and was profound.  Heat didn't touch it nor did extra clothing.  I had no idea what was causing it.  On one occasion (the 1st) it got so bad I told my husband to get me to the emergency room, I felt like my organs were failing.  I had spent 2 hrs in a blizzard clearing off the cars a couple days before.  After 10 months of suffering and keeping the heat at 80, and endo told me that fat holds estrogen and estrogen regulates the hypothalamus (the body's thermostat and switchboard for many other things, like sleep).  I started Climara (estrogen) and Provera.  Within 2 days I was warm and have been going out at night, with temp at 40 and windy.  Have had a few MILD occurences, that it!  I've been on hormones now for 6 wks.  I've had to cut my estrogen patch in 1/2 yesterday, because I think it's been making me exhausted.  Today I feel just cool.  I'll see how it goes.  May add 1/4 of the other 1/2 of the patch if necessary.  I'm 61 and have had no period for 10 yrs, but a 40 pd weight loss triggered this coldness nightmare off.  I felt GREAT before the coldness started....very energetic...agressive....in your face..LOL.  I'm trying to get some testosterone now.  Soon as this coldness stops, I'm off the estrogen,  Hate this placid, swollen cow like feeling.  Feel 100 percent more energetic since cutting the patch in 1/2.  Now to stay warm..
Dolly C
I'd like to update my "coldness" post by saying that after 2 months on 3/4 of a patch of Climara and  Provera , I'm out and about in winter cold and sleeping in thin pajamas AND WARM all the time!!  I've gained abt 7 pds in water, but it's well worth it.  Having no bad side effects from the hormones.
Dolly C.

I'm 47 and have been getting cold flashes.  To me, they come as a feeling of coldness and tingling in my arms.  My skin crawls, and it's very unpleasant.  They come and go.  I'll have them for weeks at a time, then they stop.  I sense that they are connected to stress for me.  My doc says she's never heard of it.  When my arms are cold like that, my hands seem very hot.  I have a lot of aches and pains in my back, too.  No depression lately, thank goodness!
Eva
As for me, I used to have to stand next to the wall heater to warm up.  In those days I didn't know fluctuating hormones could cause that symptom too.  I thought then that menopause (or peri) was about hot flashes.  Reading this newsgroup has been very helpful in calming me down when I think my symptoms are getting the better of me.  Joan L. says, "Just surrender," but that doesn't mean you can't get near a heat source.
Joan L. says "just surrender" because she means accept the symptom and work around it. If you get hot flashes, dress around them, mop them up with tissues, get a fan, wear natural fabrics in layers, etc. Just surrendering to cold flashes means the same thing, Accept them and work around them.  Stand by the heater if this works for you. And now that you mention it, I too have stood by the heater a lot these past few years. I never associated it with meno.

 The idea is to not fight them or necessarily drug them away.  Surrendering to them is not saying suffer and be punished by them.  I hope this distinction is clear, but I could not tell from your comment interpreting my remarks. 
Joan L.

Hey B. - I get "cold flashes" too. Especially at  night.  I sleep in a heated waterbed, in a full set of sweats and socks and still feel like my feet and hands are hanging out the window in winter!  I find the only thing that helps is a very warm shower without getting cooled down after and straight to bed - try to get to sleep before you feel cold again.
Sue
 I highly recommend "duvet" socks/slippers which are down filled bootee things.. They are infinitely better than socks.  I got mine at Walmart. (Not to mention sleeping under a down duvet)
Pat
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