From: [email protected] (LANCE)
Subject: Suicide and You
Date: 07 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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...and it was such a lovely day today! To later hear from my sister she
is contemplating suicide just makes me want to say something. If I
am not making much sense in this note, consider two things. One,
I am insane, two, I am rather drunk right now. Though I must admit,
I am typing suprisingly well... I think?
My sister has led a hard life. Like my brother and I, she was
severly beaten as a child, and then, when physical abuse proved
to be losing its magical touch, she was mentally abused. She, like
myself is in total financial ruin. Of course it stops there. She
is xian, sort of. A lot of other bad things that I won't mention
have happened to her to make her life rather a bother to wake up
each morning. Tonight she called me, saying she wsa probably going
to kill herself. I listened to her as I drank down some hot rum and
eventaully we worked out a deal... anyways, here is what I told her
regarding the subject. If you disagree, well, thats your
perogative. Thats the great thing about being Wiccan. You can
disagree, and tell each other you're wrong. Anyways, here's my
1.997 cents.
Each incarnation we are supposed to learn certain lessons. Gain
certain knowledge and wisdom, so that when our spirit mature, we
will be able to take in additional power and use it 'correctly'.
Or at least more so than before. If we end our lives prematurely,
of our own volition -a politically correct way of saying suicide-
then we have basically said 'piss on the lesson I need to learn
this life'. We die, and then the same damned problems ocvcur the
next lifetime.
If, everytime life gets too hard to handle we kill ourselves, then
we have not dealt with those problems. Diety knows this. And, as
such, you will face the same problems you had when you journey on
to the next life. Me wonders how many spirits spend an eternity
of commiting suicide after suicide because of the same problems?
She listened to all this over the phone. I'm certain that her
eyes glistened with the same desire to cry that mine did. But
neither of us could. After all, what was the point? She doesn't
know what she believes, she just believes there is a god out
there somewhere. She is rather agnostic in her approach to
religion.
Anyways, the phone call ended with an agreement. If she does decide
to just end it, she must first contact me. Not call and leave a message,
but contact me. I may not be able to talk her out of it, I told her,
and I definitly couldn't prevent it. I can't even afford cigarettes,
much less a bus ticket. And even if I could, it would be a good 5 hours
before I even got close to her city. But, at least I would get to tell
her one last time that I love her.
I recommend, that should anyone approach you about suicide, that is
close to you, listen to them first, be sincere. Often times all that
they want is soeone to listen to them. Then share your personal
and spiritual views on the subject if they are open minded. If not,
at least make the agreement. Sometimes the wait before contacting
you alone is enough to prevent it, but even if they are adamant
about such a foolish act, at least you can tell them one last time
how you feel about them, and thank them for anything they have
done that made a positive difference in your life.
Well that about sums it up. Sorry for wasting bandwidth, but I'm
running out of rum.
-icewind, feels very small right now.
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From: [email protected] (Raven BlackBane)
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 08 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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Blow your brains out and be done with it
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From: shadow
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 09 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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Raven BlackBane wrote:
>
> Blow your brains out and be done with it
A truly interesting idea. By the way, have you ever seen it happen?
It's not a pretty sight. I know only from second hand knowledge,
unfortunately my friend Tamsin knows from finding the body.
Love your compassion.
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From: [email protected] (LANCE)
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 09 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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Raven BlackBane ([email protected]) wrote:
: Blow your brains out and be done with it
BlackBane, as you have previously put a disclaimer on your posts, which
showed respect, I have not flamed you, or even so much as corrected
your mistaken assumptions about WitchCraft, or mentioned the fact that
your ludicrous peice of shit job of researching Wicca. -ie, reading
To Ride...Broomstick, watching the Craft- was a pathetic attempt
at making yourself sound educated. I kept my mouth shut because you
at least showed some shred of respect with the disclaimer.
However, you crossed the line when you said that. For all I know,
my sister is already dead and I won't know for a month. Being a
very reasonable person I give you the opportunity to appologize,
as I realize some people just have a hard time distinguishing when
a joke is inappropriate.
I await your appology.
-Icewind.
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From: [email protected] (Darklove)
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 11 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
>Raven BlackBane ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Blow your brains out and be done with it
>However, you crossed the line when you said that. For all I know,
>my sister is already dead and I won't know for a month. Being a
>very reasonable person I give you the opportunity to appologize,
>as I realize some people just have a hard time distinguishing when
>a joke is inappropriate.
I had a rude comment about him, but now it doesn't seem like enough.
Darklove
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From: stephen tweed
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 10 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, Raven BlackBane
writes
>
> Blow your brains out and be done with it
Do the world a favour and do it yourself you sick bastard. Why don`t you
stay in alt satanism with all the other saddoes pal?
I am really sorry Icewind that there are such people out there like
this scumbag. In fact i am ashamed to think that i am a member of the
same species as this disgusting thing.
I hope your sister is ok anyway. IMHO suicide is a total waste of time.
I do remember parts of my previous lives and if i can help you and your
sister in any way, i should be glad to.
Best wishes
>
?
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March 1919
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From: [email protected] (Stephen Jahner)
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 11 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Raven BlackBane) wrote:
>
> Blow your brains out and be done with it
>
Dear uninformed one,or just unformed for that matter:thoughts are things!
Thoughts are things! Repeat 50 million times to yourself!!!!
You just wished death on another human being,this will come back to you
threefold.I'm sorry for you and the weight of the chains you bear,forged link
by link,girded on by your own free will....
Mithuma
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From: [email protected] (Michael "The Roach" Janszen)
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 12 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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On 8 Jan 1997 23:07:26 -0500, [email protected] (Raven
BlackBane) shook the Earth by stating:
>
> Blow your brains out and be done with it
>
For once, my 'quote header' really matches my feelings. Do we have a
troll here, or someone who is just VERY insensitive?
Icewind, even as someone who mostly lurks and is not very versed in
the Craft at all, my heartfelt best wishes to you and your sister. I
have been told I radiate goodwill to just about everyone, but I
promise you one thing: I will try to re-direct the goodwill wasted on
the creature they call BlackBane (I refuse to call it a h**** being)
to your sister instead.
As token of my sympathy, please acept - for your sister as well, a
really big
HH HH UU UU GG
HH HH UU UU GGGG
HH HH UU UU GG GG
HH HH UU UU GG
HHHHHHHH UU UU GG
HHHHHHHH UU UU GG GGGG
HH HH UU UU GG GG
HH HH UU UU GG GG
HH HH UUUU GGG
Michael "The Roach" Janszen
It might look as if I don't take life seriously. But I do.
I just don't see why life should take me seriously...
Spammer trap - when replying by e-mail, drop the last letter
of the address...
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From: ren
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 14 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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> On 8 Jan 1997 23:07:26 -0500, [email protected] (Raven
> BlackBane) shook the Earth by stating:
>
> >
> > Blow your brains out and be done with it
You will be punished for this I swear it. So be it. Pray that the dark
forces that enter your life don't take it.
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From: Shez
Subject: Re: Suicide and You
Date: 09 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, LANCE
writes
>M. R. Power ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Icewind,
>
>: Though we haven't talked before, I want you to know that my thoughts and
>: sympathies are with you. I've been on both sides of this particular
>: dilemma more than once, and it's a painful situation both ways. I'm
>: hoping for the best for your sister and you.
>
>: Rhiannon
>
>Thank you, Rhia. I too have been on both sides of the line. However,
>That was before I was Wiccan. I didn't realize how pointless suicide
>was until then. But lo and behold, many years ago I tried it with
>a 30.6 pulled the trigger and the damned thing jammed. I was very
>very lucky, and am very glad it happened.
>
>-iCeWiNd
Bit to much of a conincidence that Icewind dear, do you think someone
was trying to tell you something, or at least dropping a ruddy great
hint.
--
Shez [email protected]
The 'Old Craft' lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/
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